2001 Jeep Cherokee with a/c. I cannot find the Heat blend door and all I get is cold air out of the heat vents. Water temp at the heater hose is 190.Thanks spirit2586.

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• cgallen again is deceitfully stating in his attack statement the he has a multiple patents pending. If you would like to check the US Patent Office web site you will see that there is an application process and when you file for your US Patent you will get a US Patent Pending Application Number. There are no US Patent Pending Application numbers in his Ebay store or website. He does use a deceiving TM after his product name.

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  by Neil on June 26th, 2008

• The method of repairing the Jeep Grand Cherokee blend doors has been around long before he started his product. The method for the Ford blend door repair has been around long before he started that product. He talks bad about aluminum, and seems to deceitfully hide the fact that he uses aluminum in his products. cgallen knows that a better user friendly product has come onto the market and he is scared of the competition.
  May the best product prevail!!

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  by Neil on June 26th, 2008

• As if anyone will read this or actually care. Here are the facts:
  The HeaterTreater was developed in January of 07 and after extensive testing was first released for sale on Ebay on 4/2/07. Blen Dor "inventor" purchased the HeaterTreater product on 11/28/07 and the first product was on Ebay in December of 07. Coincidence?? NO, and Blen Dor admits that what they came up with was a supposed "improvement" on the HeaterTreater product. Stealing the ideas and product specifications was "justified" by going on the internet and finding postings that discussed the HeaterTreater invention and customer questions that were answered on various forums. Of course, the ideas and posts were MY input and a natural outcropping of question on a product that had been in production for 8 months before being "discovered" by Neil. His entire business proposition has been the effort to steal HeaterTreater IP and review my postings and listing text to learn about blend door issues.

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  by cgallen on June 29th, 2008

• Of course, there was internet discussion of problems with the GC and other automobiles, but the repair method and solution to the problem was and is HeaterTreater proprietary work and invention. Yes, the patent is in process and anyone that has dealt with the government knows that this is a slow process, and yes, it is frustrating. In the meantime, I have no interest in posting references or pointers to the patent application to reveal the technical drawings, repair methods, and claims. Why would I want to enable Neil to steal more????
  
  The "improvement" to the HeaterTreater that Neil is hawking is making a single piece unit out of aluminum. We prototyped a single piece unit and discarded the idea. The problem is that the HVAC air control system on a GC is a precision assembly and will not tolerate much variation in the dimensions of the various control doors. If the angles are off just slightly, the impact is gaps in the door closed position and resulting loss of efficiency.

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  by cgallen on June 29th, 2008

• The problem is exacerbated if the assembly is aluminum since aluminum is extremely sensitive to warping under high temperature heat attachment processes. "Pounding" it back into shape doesn't work since Aluminum has a memory and will spring back to the warped condition under just the heat environment of a car heater. The HeaterTreater was intentionally designed with set screws to adjust the door position for perfect alignment and efficient operation. Yes, tightening two set screws is a pain, but at HeaterTreater we don't make compromises at the expense of sub-optimal operation.
  Yes, it is annoying to be called "deceitful" by an admitted thief, particularly since it was stolen from me....but maybe that's actually a compliment. Check our feedback on Ebay for the real story.
  If Neil had any integrity, he would invent and develop his own products in place of stealing, but that's unlikely. For me, I'd just like to see him steal from someone else for a change.
  cgallen

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  by cgallen on June 29th, 2008

• Why I Started Designing and Building the Blen Dor Repairs
  
  I was driven into the Blen Dor venture by a product I purchased that was so aggravating to install and instructions full of inadequacies like - “it’s not a bad idea to practice with your eyes closed”,
  “you can do without the spacer if you lose it” and “extra set screws are provided just in case”. After the set screws failed to hold tight enough causing the adjustable doors to loosen and having to re-tighten the set screws again, this aggravate me to the point of designing, a better user friendly product.

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  by Neil on July 9th, 2008

• At that point I knew there was an easier way to repair the blend door failure with the 99/04 Jeep Grand Cherokee HVAC system. A competitor has said quite a few deceitful things about me and the Blen Dor product I have designed. One of the deceitful things is I sold his method of cutting open the HVAC box to expose the blend doors. The method of opening the HVAC box has been around long (years) before he designed their product. And to the copying of their design, I would never think of copying such an inferior design. Their design aggravated me so bad that it drove me into designing a much better user friendly product of my own.

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  by Neil on July 9th, 2008

• The Blen Dor is a far better design than all the rest of the blend door products. My competitors have not designed or improved on their design of their Jeep blend door repairs since they started selling their products. Their other blend door repairs have been on the Internet before they started producing those designs. Could it be that they do not have the designing or engineering capabilities, maybe they just produce other peoples ideas? Like a couple of my ideas below they will surely try to copy (steal?)

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  by Neil on July 9th, 2008

• 1. The Blen Dor Single Control (dr) repair kit (NO dashboard removal).
  2. The Blen Dor Dual Control (ndr) repair kit (NO dashboard removal).
  3. The Blen Dor Dual Control replacement (dr) kit. (Needs a dashboard removal).
  4. The Blen Dor Recirculation Door (ndr) kit (NO dashboard removal)
  5. The Blen Dor Recirculation Door (dr) kit (Needs a dashboard removal).

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  by Neil on July 9th, 2008

• A single door assembly in the GC HVAC system is like a belt with one hole. If the maufacturing is perfect and there are no variations in waist size, one hole works. With a high temp aluminum welding process, "getting the hole perfect" every time is not possible without very expensive dip processes to heat all components uniformly. Yes, tightening set screws in a blind area is frustrating. We've had hundreds do it successfully and one that couldn't pull it off. Most of us have adjustable belts, and the same rationale applies to a GC blend door if you want it done right.

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  by cgallen on July 9th, 2008

• Before I'm accused of re-stealing stolen ideas:
  1. The Blen Dor Single Control (dr) repair kit (NO dashboard removal).
  DONE. HeaterTreater blend door fix completed 4/07
  2. The Blen Dor Dual Control (ndr) repair kit (NO dashboard removal).
  Attempted. Impractical. Plastic drive components cannot withstand forces.
  3. The Blen Dor Dual Control replacement (dr) kit. (Needs a dashboard removal).
  DONE. Check HeaterTreater PRO listing. 7/07
  4. The Blen Dor Recirculation Door (ndr) kit (NO dashboard removal)
  DONE. Check HeaterTreater Re-circ fix. 8/07
  5. The Blen Dor Recirculation Door (dr) kit (Needs a dashboard removal)
  Not Required. Use HeaterTreater Re-circ kit.

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  by cgallen on July 9th, 2008

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• Note that this guy bought one of our products, attempted to copy it, and is now selling his "improved" solution on Ebay in violation of our patents and normal business practices.
  
  He is correct that it is easier to install a single assembly. However, that assembly cannot be manufactured to the exacting specifications required to assure accurate operation at a low cost. With an aluminum assembly there is a generic problem with warping and accuracy of the welded assembly. In our early prototyping efforts we attempted this approach and found significant problems with manufacturing accuracy and variation in the Chrysler box specification over multiple year models.
  The HeaterTreater does require an additional five minutes to tighten two set screws. The difference is that this allows the fix to be custom fit to the specific GC and adjusted for perfect operation efficiency. Any warping and/or manufacturing variation, and any Chrysler molding variation is compensated out of the equation.

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  by cgallen on June 24th, 2008

• Note: The better product of the competition has scared Mr. texster68, cgallen, jeepster68, jeepheaterfix, heattreaterguy or whoever he is, into being a very deceitful person. Or maybe he always was?

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  by Neil on June 25th, 2008

• He talks about violating patents like he has a US Patent. Ask for his US Patent Number or his US Patent Pending Application number. I did, he never sent it to me, most likely he does not have one!! I wonder why is doesn’t say US Patent or US Patent Pending.
  BE AWARE OF FAST TALKING SALEMEN.

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  by Neil on June 25th, 2008

• Another forum has banded this person’s multiple identities from the forum for doing the same thing he is doing now. JUST DOWNGRADING THE COMPETITION. He uses multiple identities in the same forum to make it look like he is different people talking to each other.

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  by Neil on June 25th, 2008

• cgallen again is deceitfully stating in his attack statement the he has a multiple patents pending. If you would like to check the US Patent Office web site you will see that there is an application process and when you file for your US Patent you will get a US Patent Pending Application Number. There are no US Patent Pending Application numbers in his Ebay store or website. He does use a deceiving TM after his product name.

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  by Neil on June 26th, 2008

• The method of repairing the Jeep Grand Cherokee blend doors has been around long before he started his product. The method for the Ford blend door repair has been around long before he started that product. He talks bad about aluminum, and seems to deceitfully hide the fact that he uses aluminum in his products. cgallen knows that a better user friendly product has come onto the market and he is scared of the competition.
  May the best product prevail!!

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  by Neil on June 26th, 2008

• Yes, we do use aluminum for the axle that the steel doors are attached to. Extruded aluminum is strong, yet more malleable than steel. We attach the doors to the axle with set screws and use aluminum because the set screw will slightly embed into the axle, providing a stronger attachment point. Where you get into trouble with aluminum is if you try to take it through any high temp processes such as welding or heat forming. Because of it's characteristic of malleability, it is also very prone to warping and has a memory if you try to straighten it. Any precision aluminum assembly has to be "welded" with a hot dip solder process where the components are heated uniformly and taken through a controlled sinter cooling process. Otherwise, it is virtually impossible to meet mechanical specifications consistently.
  
  The HeaterTreater avoids the problems associated with warping and accuracy by aligning the doors in situ as part of the installation. Yes, it is more "user friendly" to just

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  by cgallen on June 26th, 2008

• slap in a single unit and hope that the alignment is correct. However, the extra five minutes to align and tighten two set screws assures that the alignment is perfect and the system will operate with exacting precision and efficiency. Just a slight variation in the process of welding aluminum to aluminum can leave small gaps in the seal and affect both heat and AC efficiency. We take the liberty of defining user friendly as providing a guaranteed product that will operate correctly with no compromises.
  
  As far as the patent discussions, our lawyer has advised that the issues not be discussed in an open forum. We are confident of our claims and will let the wheels grind slowly.
  
  cgallen

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  by cgallen on June 26th, 2008

• Why I Started Designing and Building the Blen Dor Repairs
  
  I was driven into the Blen Dor venture by a product I purchased that was so aggravating to install and instructions full of inadequacies like - “it’s not a bad idea to practice with your eyes closed”,
  “you can do without the spacer if you lose it” and “extra set screws are provided just in case”.

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  by Neil on July 9th, 2008

• After the adjustable set screw system failed to hold tight enough causing the adjustable doors to loosen and having to re-tighten the set screws again, this aggravate me to the point of designing, a better user friendly product.

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  by Neil on July 9th, 2008

• At that point I knew there was an easier way to repair the blend door failure with the 99/04 Jeep Grand Cherokee HVAC system. A competitor has said quite a few deceitful things about me and the Blen Dor product I have designed.

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  by Neil on July 9th, 2008

• One of the deceitful things is I sold his method of cutting open the HVAC box to expose the blend doors. The method of opening the HVAC box has been around long (years) before he designed their product. And to the copying of their design, I would never think of copying such an inferior design.

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  by Neil on July 9th, 2008

• Their design aggravated me so bad that it drove me into designing a much better user friendly product of my own. The Blen Dor is a far better design than all the rest of the blend door products. My competitor has not designed or improved on their design of their Jeep blend door repairs since they started selling their products.

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  by Neil on July 9th, 2008

• Their other blend door repair products ideas and methods have also been on the Internet before they started producing those designs. Could it be that they do not have the designing or engineering capabilities, maybe they just produce other peoples ideas?

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  by Neil on July 9th, 2008

• Like a couple of my ideas below, he will surely try to copy (steal?)
  1. The Blen Dor Single Control (dr) repair kit (NO dashboard removal)
  2. The Blen Dor Dual Control (ndr) repair kit (NO dashboard removal).
  3. The Blen Dor Dual Control replacement (dr) kit. (Needs a dashboard removal).

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  by Neil on July 9th, 2008

• 4. The Blen Dor Recirculation Door (ndr) kit (NO dashboard removal)
  5. The Blen Dor Recirculation Door (dr) kit (Needs a dashboard removal).

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  by Neil on July 9th, 2008

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• On the off chance a customer will actually read this, here's the truth.......again. First, this original post was a request for help with a Jeep Cherokee, not the Grand Cherokee. Nothing that Blen Dor has addressed has anything to do with the question. HeaterTreater does have a Jeep Cherokee product, please check our Ebay listing.
  
  "Remove the dashboard". There are symantics problems here. As outlined in our product description, the dashboard has to be pulled back to access the re-circ door. To fully remove the dash, you have to pull the steering wheel, pull the steering column, and completely disconnect all electrical harnesses. Our process requires unbolting the dash and pulling it back, but not the technically difficult process of pulling the steering assembly and completely removing the dash panel. Describe the process however you like, but it's still easier than completely pulling the dash.

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  by cgallen on July 14th, 2008

• Note that Blen Dor's solution to "fixing" the re-circ door through the glove box opening is to sell you a bent piece of coat hanger wire to jam the re-circ door into permanent re-circ on mode. That market is wide open and HeaterTreater wants no part of it. Aside from the fact that it won't work most of the time, there are significant safety and legal implications of modifying an HVAC system to change it's designed, and safety commission approved, operation. If anyone is actually dumb enough to buy this, please send us a note at support@heatertreater.net and we will explain the problems in simple English with lots of pictures.
  
  As far as our capability to design a dual control blend door solution, we have done that and the product has been available for almost a year, but removal of the heater box to access the passenger side motor is required. Our first designs a year and a half ago used the same approach that Blen-dor is taking.

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  by cgallen on July 14th, 2008

• The problem is not designing the hardware, but having to rely on existing components that cannot be changed without removing the box. Unlike Ford and Dodge, the GC was designed with a limit pin to take the force of the motor when it reaches the extents of movement. As a result, the nylon axle that connects to the doors was not designed to take the force. The axle is on 5/16" in diameter and the effective connection bite is 1/2". We designed a system to grip this axle and found that in 2-6 months the axle will break, resulting in a requirement to do a more expensive repair to fix the damage.
  
  At HeaterTreater, we design and test our products before sending them out to customers to find out if they will work or not. We will not sell a product that is subject to failure or compromises the safety of any automobile. I fully agree that as a consumer, you should evaluate products intelligently and make an informed decision.

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  by cgallen on July 14th, 2008

• Check the forum link it shows that the methods and designs have been on the forums long before cgallen came up with his product.
  http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/forums/showthread.php?t=746504&highlight=blend+door+dash
  
  By his on admission his first product was on April, 2007. The above forum link was from the year before his first product he said was on 4/07. Did he steal someone else’s idea and method?? Is he going to steal my ideas and methods??

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  by Neil on July 16th, 2008

• cgallen is now down to calling people dump for trying something that he knows nothing about, and of course the excuses will come, it won’t work most of the time and he will explain why in won’t work. Of course he is only saying these things by looking at a picture, a picture that is only part of the process.
  And his words of: “there are significant safety and legal implications of modifying an HVAC system to change it's designed, and safety commission approved, operation” That is exactly what his products are doing “Modifying” a HVAC system.

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  by Neil on July 16th, 2008

• cgallen , texster68, heaterguy, only has a dual control replacement kit that needs the dashboard removed. He is stating all the problems he had when he tried and failed to design and engineer his dual control kit with no dashboard removal. Cgallen, texster68 has tested and failed to produce a workable design. So he will explain to you why no one else can design and develop a product he could not. Also cgallen, texster68 thinks he is the only one that does research and testing.

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  by Neil on July 16th, 2008

• And cgallen, texster68 will stand behind his product - does that mean if the set screws loosen they will tell you to just retighten them – that you already have the box cut open. Unlike others who just stand behind their product.
  The Blen Dor products are guarantee for as long as you own the vehicle. Visit the Blen Dor Store for the only 99/04 Jeep GC dual control repair kit without removing the dashboard.

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  by Neil on July 16th, 2008

• cgallen is now down to calling people dump for trying something that he knows nothing about.
  -NEIL
  
  I can safely say that I have never called any person or idea "dump". If by chance what he meant was "DUMB", I have no comment...make up your own mind. HeaterTreater products are professionally designed solutions from degreed engineers. Check our Ebay listings, customer feedback, and web site for details.
  
  cgallen

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  by cgallen on July 21st, 2008

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