by xdragoox on December 6th, 2006

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Do men have one less rib than women? (Trying to find evidence for Adam and Eve story)

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by yeroco on August 6th, 2008
Even if Man did have one less rib (or one less something, or one extra something), you'd have to believe that a story would have been made up to explain it, even though the story is fictional.

In essence, it wouldn't be convincing evidence to prove the Bible's account of Genesis to be true.
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by Anonymous on August 7th, 2008
I have to add. You aren't ever going to find evidence for the Adam & Eve Story. It is pure myth. Someone made it up trying to explain how things began to a bunch of tent dwelling, goat herders living about 3000 years ago. And back then, they didn't have TV and radio, so religion was the entertainment. So they got the best audience reactions by spinning the biggest tales. I think the creation story, Ark, the wealth of Solomon and birth, death and resurrection of Jesus are the biggest myths in the entire book. Well add in Moses. That one is a rehash about Sargon the Great. His mother put him in a basket, sent him down the Euphrates etc. Only his father was god. So they used him a lot for Jesus as well. And of course Alexander the Great said his father was Zeus. And they couldn't let Jesus be less since Al had conquered the world with that claim.
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- You have no more proof that the "Adam and Eve story" is a myth than I have that it isn't. It's a belief or an opinion in both cases and no one KNOWS for certain how the story came about. I believe the story but I state it as such...a belief...not a proven fact. It is your belief (one which you are entitled to)that it is a myth but you have no proof otherwise. If you do..please share.
  
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  by Jade on August 7th, 2008
- But I do have proof it is a myth. And it is a myth based on much older religions. I have actually held and read those Akkadian texts dated to 3450 BCE. My proof comes from The Assyrian Kings List, The Epic of Gilgamesh, the Epic of Sargon, those other ancient Jewish texts you neglect, the Talmud and Kabala and about 12 others. Your problem is your entire belief is based only on the Bible and you neglect all else. Then lets's get to real creation evidence. The earth is 4.5 Billion years old. Live 1.5 Billion years old. Humans broke away from primates over 2 Million years ago and 1 Million years ago were using stone tools and fire which animals do not. Yes not only do I have proof, but the whole scientific world. What's more, most Christians long ago discarded that one as myth. On
  
  Now you can believe elephants can fly if you wish. But don't expect anyone to think you're are anything but stupid, unless you want to attach some JATO rockets to an elephant and launch it to prove yourself.
  
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  by Anonymous on August 7th, 2008
- No reply. Then I take it my evidence has silenced you, and perhaps you are seeking something aside Bible proof? That would be good. I am not out to get people to blindly accept my statements. I want them challenged and look them up.
  
  Old Zoroastrian saying. " Beware those that say you must believe. For you can be assured it is a Lie." Very wise saying.
  
  The Zoroastarian god in Ahura Mazda. Literally translated as all wise and knowing Lord. And in case you're wondering. Even Islam and Jews and most Christians accept this in the same god they worship.
  
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  by Anonymous on August 8th, 2008
- I simply don't see the point in arguing. I am happy with my "myth" and have never said that everyone must believe it. It is my belief that no one has absolute PROOF of either side. I could be completely wrong. I found your comments to be interesting though. Thanx. Have a great weekend! :-)
  
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  by Jade on August 8th, 2008
- Well, simply that you accept the Bible as your only proof. You're simply locked in where you can't learn.
  
  Got to watch that Bible stuff. A couple missionaries showed a picture of Jesus on the cross to the African chief Chaka Zulu. He asked if that was their god. They said yes. Next day they returned Chaka had crucified 6000 just like in the picture.
  
  I know a bit about Africa as well. My great uncle was Doctor Albert Schweitzer. Only met him twice. Remember him showing a knife with about 200 edges. Took him 6 hours to get it out of the victim.
  
  Well check out some of my statements. I'm sometimes wrong. I don't want people to think like me. Just think and research for themselves.
  
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  by Anonymous on August 8th, 2008
- BTW. Some of the rudeness in my remarks. Spent a lot of time with Brits. More meant to be funny really. But few Americans seem to get it. Might re-read things. Might be funnier when you realize hidden meanings. I had one punk challenging I wasn't a Viet Nam Vet and went to say I wasn't a man. I sure cut loose on him. Began by calling him an insect, then specifically a worm. And finally called him e coli. Pretty well have to see my profile to get an idea where I'm coming from.
  
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  by Anonymous on August 8th, 2008
- I enjoy reading and learning about other beliefs and I realize that a lot of the Bible stories are just that and are there to emphasize a teaching. I am comfortable with my beliefs, but I don't expect everyone else to be.
  
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  by Jade on August 8th, 2008
- I did not consider your remarks rude. you are entitled to your opinions and I respect your right to express them, even if I don't fully agree with all of them. they are still interesting.
  
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  by Jade on August 8th, 2008
- Have to add. I have had so many religious people approach me like I am really ignorant. And they have never had more than high school. Well all my life I have only required 3 or 4 hours sleep. I was Valedictorian in high school with a class of 2238. Twice valedictorian in college. My three degrees, speak and read 9 languages. Studied lots of religions. And they think they can talk down to me like I'm a 6 year old. I learn a lot having always been single and just to beat boredom. In fact, I have just about all the credits to add another three Bachelor degrees, including one in Theology. But less than 25% WOULD BE cHRISTIAN.
  
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  by Anonymous on August 8th, 2008
- I consider myself a Christian, but I don't consider myself religious...if that makes sense.
  
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  by Jade on August 8th, 2008
- Gee, I would really hate it if everyone thought like me. That would be creepy. A thing to remember about the Bible or any religion. 2000 years ago, even 100 years ago, that was entertainment. So much was just to entertain around the camp fire. So they spun big tales. Think of it a bit like the Sci Fi Channel.
  
  Actually, I once came close to believing once. Met a girl, fell in love the only time in my life. Problem she had two exes she was still attached to. Fact was more than love she was the only person I ever trusted. I mean in under a month she knew as much about me as myself. But the fact is, it is impossible for me to believe in god if I can't believe in people.
  
  Want to read something good? Read about the Amish and how they attended the funeral and forgave the killer at the school house even as they buried their own children. Now that is the best of Christian examples I have ever heard of.
  
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  by Anonymous on August 8th, 2008
- hey, worms aren't insects
  but you could start with worm, and then specifically nematode
  
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  by purplecows on August 9th, 2008
- hey, how could she learn everything about you in a month ????
  
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  by purplecows on August 9th, 2008
- Well, in about two weeks time I gave her access to all my financial counts, e-mail passwords. Not a secret I withheld. Only person in my life I ever trusted. And as I told her she was welcome to take off her shoes and go through my mind. Looking back it seems insane. But, she never violated my trust. Wonderful woman. But her life had been continued abuse from early on. Strangely she returned to that. An ex husband that used her as an ash tray. She was 20 years younger than me. 5 months after we parted she died of a heart attack. Actually, she had the first about 6 weeks after we parted. I'll always regret I couldn't make that work.
  
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  by Anonymous on August 9th, 2008
- I'm old school. Worms used to be insects. In school rabbits were rodents. And these days they no longer are. Likewise, I have been disappointed on learning there are no longer 9 planets.
  
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  by Anonymous on August 9th, 2008
- This is unrelated, but stumbled on the scripture where Cyrus conquered Babylon. Bible errs again. It says Cyrus was a general of King Darius. Bible got facts reversed. Darius was the son of Cyrus. And Cyrus was not a general but the king. Somewhat an understatement at that. He was Shah (King of Kings).
  
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  by Anonymous on August 9th, 2008
- this is where you are wrong. in 2 chronicles 36 jehoiakim was made king until he died. then, zedekiah took his place and started for the conquer of Babylon. cyrus was then the king who freed the jews from captivity and rebuilt the temple in Ezra chapters 1 and 2. it wasnt for nearly ten years after the reign of ezra died that darius became king. in between that time another king took over also. i have showed u my proofs. show me where it says about general and son.
  
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  by Anonymous on August 5th, 2009
- Just because you don't believe in the Bible it does not mean you have to say that this is all a myth and someone made it up. It's pretty insulting to us, who believe in it.
  So what do you think started this world? If God hadn't started it, who would of? Apes? Monkeys? Ants?
  
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  by lilBEC on September 10th, 2009
- the Japanese use the same word ("mushi") for insects and worms - and also for decay
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  i think the "rabbits are rodents" thing comes from the Bible™ where it talks about coneys
  
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  by purplecows on September 11th, 2009
- what's insulting about it? he has proof that the bible stories are copies of older stories.
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  he's not responsible for identifying "who" started this world
  
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  by purplecows on September 11th, 2009
- "But I do have proof it is a myth. And it is a myth based on much older religions. I have actually held and read those Akkadian texts dated to 3450 BCE. My proof comes from The Assyrian Kings List, The Epic of Gilgamesh, the Epic of Sargon, those other ancient Jewish texts you neglect, the Talmud and Kabala and about 12 others. Your problem is your entire belief is based only on the Bible and you neglect all else..."
  
  Anonymous (original post), I have a couple of questions/comments for you.
  
  Firstly, did you know that Christianity originated from Judaism? What I mean to say is, Christians believe in the same God in which Jews believe; the difference is that Christians believe that Jesus came and abolished all of the former laws and emancipated the world from their sins so that the Jews didn't have to rely on animal sacrifices anymore. Many Jews didn't believe the message that Jesus Christ proclaimed, thus forming the separation between Judaism and Christians. So, the "stories" of which you speak, the same stories that are prominent in Judaism in which Christians believe, as well? Christians (learned ones, anyways) acknowledge that it came from the Jewish faith. It would only make sense since Christianity itself stems from Judaism. They have the same history. Just read all of Paul's letters; he expounds upon the distinctions between the former faith and the new one.
  
  As for Christians solely clinging to the Bible and not recognizing other Jewish texts.. the entire Old Testament is a collection of Jewish writings. In essence, these religions have the same backbone.
  
  In light of this information, I don't quite understand your point.
  
  I will refrain from asking questions of logic and all of that good stuff because I really don't feel as if either one of us will cause the other to think differently. We're both intelligent people. I'm sure that we have dwelled upon the same points that we would hypothetically bring up.
  
  But, I will leave you with some words.
  
  Some Christians are learned people; the problem is that there are not many of those learned people. I'm one of the learned people who likes to study my religion and evolution alike. I choose to believe in God not because of old tradition or ignorance, but because I believe that it's more sensible. My point? Please don't get the impression that all people of faith are unintelligent; they simply have different beliefs than you.
  
  Thanks for your time and I truly appreciate your comments.
  Gloria
  
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  by GGie4444 on May 30th, 2010
- Dearest Anonymous
  
  I want to tell you one thing, it would be far better for you to read the Holy Bible and try pray to the Almighty One to open your heart and mind to Him, than to regret later on the day of judgement for refuting our suggestion. For brother JESUS is about to come. He will separate the evil from the just.
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  side buddy or else you will have to face the eternal torment, Hell.
  
  My suggestion, go and search for a pastor, read the Bible. May God open your eyes.
  
  God bless you.
  
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  by Anish_R on October 3rd, 2010
- Oh no! Anish is threatening us with the Loving God's Hell!
  
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  by purplecows on October 3rd, 2010
- HEY MORON,
  TOO BAD MOSES WASNT GODS SON GET UR FACTS STRAIGHT FOR WHEN THE RAPTURE COMES U MAY BE THE FIRST TO BE CONDEMNED LOVE U AND ALL MAN EQUAL STOP TALKING AND HAVE SOME FAITH HELL IS A HORRIBLE PLACE TO HAVE TO SPEND ETERNITY!!!!
  
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  by TheFrakers on January 22nd, 2011
- dont worry we will all see it for sure... lets just see which is true... and for some...may you be blessed enough to know the truth before its too late..
  
  (when the Author steps on the stage, the play is over, its not a time to choose whose side will you be,, rather its the time you will know whose side you joined -C.S. lewis)
  
  God bless us all
  
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  by nadishe on October 13th, 2011
- But what kind of a Loving God™ hides himself until "the play is over" and then plays a big game of Nyaa Nyaa Ha Gotcha!!! ?
  
  According to CS Lewis, we won't know whose side we joined until it's too late. So the god of CS Lewis is less loving and forgiving than I am !!!!!
  
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by Ruby Doomsday on December 7th, 2007
That's like saying all a male amputee's sons will be born missing an arm, isn't it?

Whether or not you believe the story of Adam and Eve 9I actually don't -- at least not in the most literal), the fact that men and women have the same amount of ribs is really not convincing evidence against...
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- I do actually believe God created Eve from Adam's bone. And while it would have been an interesting piece of evidence if he had left us guys with one less rib, the fact is that our DNA specifies that we are all to have 24 ribs (12 on each side).
  
  So just like Ruby mentioned, if we were to loose any body parts, including our bones, our offspring would still be (ideally) whole. :)
  
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  by purefusion on June 20th, 2008
- it's convincing evidence, to some, that they haven't been told the truth
  
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  by purplecows on August 9th, 2008
- That's true of many things Purplecows. People believe the gov't is here to 'help' us, too! And Obamacare is the 'proof' that it is so!
  
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by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on December 7th, 2007
Nope, we have the same rib count. Here's something else that disproves the story early life was asexual meaning it had both sex organs and reproduced without the need for a mate at all. It was only later when nature needed a way to control overpopulation that the sexes split into two distinct ones. And when all life starts out it starts out female. As far a sceintists can see it's the male sex that is a mutation of the female. Why? Because the design of the female body would be able to both germinate and carry offspring while the male could not.
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- Not long after I joined AB, I made a remark (question?) alluding to the idea that all people started out as females. Some lady went beserk.. she said that SHE was from Earth and asked me what planet I was from, since that did not happen here, then started listing her college degrees and the fact that she had never heard such nonsense.....lol! She said she was going to ask one of her professors..since I never heard any more..maybe he told her something she did not want to hear.
  
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  by Jade on December 7th, 2007
- Don't you just love those? I'll bet she had never even seen the inside of a college classroom let alone had a degree in anything. I don't either, but I do read alot of stuff on biology.
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on December 7th, 2007
- In Greek Religion the first being was Gaea. She gave birth to the earth and all creation. She gave birth to Jupiter and all the Titans.
  
  Now for science. While people did not all start out as females, I believe it is the 9th week in pregnancy when a male first begins developing sexually differently. I don't think you are that far off. Certainly religious creation myths are far more absurd. Always loved the Egyptian story where Ammun masturbated, put the result in his mouth and spat out humanity. Now that's a lovely start for everyone.
  
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  by Anonymous on August 6th, 2008
- early life was 1-celled (most of life's history)
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  there were no sex organs (unless you count pili, which are formed temporarily and are optional) -- the cells reproduced by splitting in half (fission)
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  the 2-sex system started with blue-green algae
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  "had both sex organs" you're thinking of hermaphroditic (like earthworms), not asexual
  
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  by purplecows on August 9th, 2008
- what subject were this lady's college degrees?
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  you are referring to the X-Y chromosome system - but birds have a different chromosome system - do they start out female as well?
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  what about insects? octopi? seahorses? the zillions of bizarre tiny non-mammal animals?
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  what about plants? do they all start female as well?
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  what about tube worms and all the non-sunlight-based life?
  
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  by purplecows on October 3rd, 2010
- we do not start out as female, why do people think this. sex is decided when the sperm meets the egg x or y - y sperm meets the egg you start as male x sperm = female, wo deont start as female then turn into male lmaooo
  
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  by dazzy.jeff on January 10th, 2011
- you;re talking about genetics, they're talking about development. yes the sex is determined by the choice of sperm cell.
  
  however, if you watch the thing develop, it looks female until a certain point.
  
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by Kevisaurus is a Carnotaurus today on December 7th, 2007
The same but some times it's ribbed for her pleasure though.
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by vew573 on September 17th, 2010
In the creation of woman, God took a rib from Adam’s side, and from it He built for Adam a perfect counterpart, the woman Eve. (Ge 2:21, 22) Adam, nevertheless, remained a perfect man, now united as ‘bone of bone and flesh of flesh’ with his wife. (Ge 2:23; De 32:4) Moreover, this did not disturb the reproductive cells of Adam so as to affect his children, boys or girls, in their rib structure. The human male and female both have 24 ribs.

*******It is of interest to note that a rib that has been removed will grow again, replacing itself, as long as the periosteum (the membrane of connective tissue that covers the bone) is allowed to remain. Whether Jehovah God followed this procedure or not the record does not state; however, as man’s Creator, God was certainly aware of this unusual quality of the rib bones.
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- Thank you vew573 nice answer, I have noticed you seem very knowledgeable on medical matters, are you involved in that field ?
  
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  by nightcrawler0_2 on September 18th, 2010
- There really is an answer for everything. It's great!
  
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by Jeffers on August 7th, 2008
Well, who's to say how many ribs man had BEFORE one was removed.... maybe god made woman from the one rib to have the same number than man had AFTER the rib was removed.

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The truth is, you won't find evidence for anything in creation stories of Genesis... they are amalgamations of all the creation myths popular when they were written down. Genesis contains 2 entirely different creation myths that are contradictory to one another...

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The Bible is a collection of stories with loose historical context, written by authors of faith for other believers to teach and reinforce matters of faith.

It is not, nor was ever meant to be, a scientific ("proof") text.
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- Now you're sensible. I detect a Christian too? And one of the majority Christian thinking patterns.
  
  Now the small groups of Fundamentalists are another story. They do a great job driving away people with their narrow minded, and literal Bible beliefs. +3 for you.
  
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  by Anonymous on August 7th, 2008
- I was a seminarian for about 2 years in my youth... and went to a parochial high school... plenty of broad-based religious and philosophical training... as well as the ability to think, logically, for myself.
  
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  by Jeffers on August 7th, 2008
- but, wait ... how can I have faith in an Author who has been proved not to know what He's talking about?
  
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by FlaminCows on November 5th, 2011
False. Both men and women both typically have 24 ribs. The myth came about due to tradition holding that because Adam had a rib removed, all his male descendants also were one short... when nothing of the sort was ever suggested by either the text or physical evidence.

However, there are some cases where people have one more rib than the norm, and this occurs more often in women than in men. This may be the source of the misconception; perhaps some person counted the ribs of a woman and found one more than on a man and assumed this was typical.
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by Qwicdraw on February 24th, 2009
There is no 'scientific' proof either way. For those to say God created all - No proof, thats why it's called faith. So keep on believing in your faith and God. For those who believe we evolved from nothing, well there is again NO proof. So keep believing in evolution. I think posting your opinions are great but really, trying to convince either side to convert to a particular belief is mad. If God created the earth and us, then Christians are safe. If we all evolved from nothing and subsequently die to nothing then No one will ever know and again NO proof. Good luck to the unbelievers and God bless those who do. :)
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- "If God created the earth and us, then Christians are safe."
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  Unless they're practicing the wrong religion. Christianity isn't the default religion for a people created by a deity. What if only Pentecostals or Muslims or Mormoms get into heaven?
  
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by branhow12 on January 12th, 2009
first off I love how some of these posts declare Creationism as a myth. It takes more faith to believe in Evolution than Creationism. Has anyone ever heard of the law of conservation of mass/matter. Which is the what the 1st law of thermodynamics is based upon. Pretty much saying that mass cannot be created or destroyed only rearranged. Well if mass cannot be created or destroyed then how the heck did we evolve into what we are today. Didn't the mass have to come from somewhere?

Another point is how many things on this planet that are not breathing lifeforms create life? A rock cannot create life. Only Life can create Life. So how could a speck of dust create life? Or something out of nothing came something. Even if it were an ameoma (I think I mispelled it) where did it come from?

Another point I want to make is how can something chaotic become organized without someone of a greater knowledge fixing it. If I broke a watch into a thousand pieces and left it alone for a thousand years when i got back it would still be in a thousand pieces. Only someone of greater knowledge than the watch can create it, fix it, or understand it.

The last point I would like to point out is using science we can only test what is observable or testable. Neither Creation or Evolution is observable or testable because none of us witnessed either of them. Therefore they both are beliefs or hypothesis not theories.

Also note I didn't use the Bible at all to prove these facts, all are logical points. :) Anyways later

P.S. yes those kind of character traits are not passed down from the parents to the offspring. If I dyed my hair blue my offspring would not have blue hair. So men has the same number of ribs as women.
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- I can't believe there are actually people who buy your arguments. 1st Law of Thermodynamics has nothing to do with your argument. The Earth is not a closed system, it receives energy from the Sun. For more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy
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  No one said nothing came from nothing. Contemporary scientific thought has several working models for how the elemental building blocks of life were first created. From that point, advanced life is almost inevitable given the infinite complexity afforded by natural selection and evolution. For more detailed info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_life
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  Your watch example has no merit. It is a misconstrued argument which does not reflect how evolution works. To extend your "something complicated exists, something complicated must have made it," you logically propose that even God must have been created by something more complicated, and could not have occurred naturally (which I'm sure you will object to.)
  
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  by NeverWas on February 24th, 2009
- Great reply, NeverWas.
  
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  by yeroco on February 24th, 2009
- Fourthly. There are many examples of observable evolution. Fossil records and the stratification of species are two of the most obvious evidences that evolution has been occurring. However, unsatisfied with this, many chemists and biologists have put forward tested and peer-reviewed experiments that verify large parts of the mechanics of evolution: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experimental_evolution. As it was best put, "Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution" (Theodosius Dobzhansky).
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  Yes, you didn't use your bible to prove your arguments. You used logic so terrible and ignorant that I almost believe you are Kent Hovind, writing from a South Carolina Federal prison.
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  Simply put. It doesn't take faith to believe in evolution, it takes a brain.
  
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  by NeverWas on February 24th, 2009
- The point is that for it all to have started SOMETHING was there at the beginning to start it all off. You are saying that this was a cell that suddenly started expanding at the perfect rate, with the perfect balance of electrons and neutrons, the perfect level of gravity and about 12 other perfect conditions that just HAPPENED to all be exactly right at exactly the right time with no intelligent design, no divine intervension, just chance.
  
  However, we are saying that this seems HIGHLY unlikely and basically illogical and therefore something, or someONE had to have a part to play in it. That in a world where everything has been created by something, the world itself isn't an exception.
  
  If I brought you a shepherd's pie and you said 'Wow, that looks delicious, did you make it?' and I replied 'No, I just found it. It evolved from a sausage over millions of years, isn't nature amazing?' would you believe me?
  
  Yet you are saying that something as complex as the Earth and the whole Solar System in fact, can just have happened. Pardon me for thinking something more must have been involved.
  
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  by Dontarguewithme on January 25th, 2010
- your argument, if I understand it:
  
  mass cannot be created or destroyed; the total quantity of mass in the universe today is more than zero; at one time the universe didn't exist therefore the total quantity of mass must have been zero; therefore, contradiction; therefore, there must have been a creation event during which the laws of nature didn't apply.
  
  there are several fallacies here.
  
  the total mass of the universe today may be zero, once we take into account gravitational energy, which is negative.
  
  why assume that the total mass of the universe, at one time, must have been zero? that's just an assumption.
  
  "Laws" of nature are descriptions of what we see. And they are only approximations because our measurements are only so accurate. Example: Newton's laws are true under ordinary conditions, but when things travel near the speed of light, or in extremely high gravitational fields, the Newtonian approximation is no longer true.
  
  It is possible that the "law" of conservation of mass is only an approximation, the way Newton's "laws" are. If this is the case, then under conditions that we have never observed (e.g. extremely high energy densities) mass CAN be created or destroyed. It would follow that under ordinary conditions, tiny tiny amounts of mass are routinely created and destroyed and we can't tell.
  
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  by purplecows on October 3rd, 2010
- "How can something chaotic become organized?"
  
  How does a mixture of air and water - fog, clouds - become separated out so we have a distinct pool of water?
  
  Why are pools of water flat? A flat shape seems pretty organized to me. Why do ripples always stop moving and move the other way? Why don't ripples, once started, just keep moving the same direction (as Newton's laws say they should)? Why doesn't the surface of water just move up and down randomly and keep moving that way until the air and water are all mixed up?
  
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by Anonymous on August 7th, 2008
I like the story of Adam's first wife Lilith better. God made both of them from clay at the same time. Things didn't work out though. Lilith thought she was Adam's equal and wanted to "sleep" on top. So they broke up and Lilith became a screaming demon, and she is where men get nasty wet dreams from. And Lilith gives birth to a thousand or so every night.
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- haha i've never heard of that before
  
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  by pantaloons on August 7th, 2008
- It's in the Bible's companion book, the Kabala.
  
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  by Anonymous on August 7th, 2008
- There is no such thing as that and I have never heard of that.
  The ORIGINAL bible explains it ALL. It was God who created the whole world. It was God who made US! Or else we wouldn't be here, typing away now...
  
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- i heard about Lilith from the feminists but they left out the part about the screaming demon
  
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by thinker4ever on August 6th, 2008
Silly question where do you think a man's "boner" comes from? That little rib is not lost it just wants to get back inside a women.
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by CaptainHarley adores his life penguin on June 20th, 2008
For God's sake, why???
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by purefusion on June 20th, 2008
Both men and women have 24 ribs in their body, 12 on each side. There are 9 rows of normal ribs, and 3 rows of "false ribs" which connect to the ribs above them.

And while it would have been an interesting piece of evidence if God had left a rib out of each male, the fact is that our DNA specifies that we are all to have 24 ribs (12 on each side). DNA is the blueprint for life, so it carries on the information that essentially puts us together, regardless of whether we've lost any part of our body or not.

For more information, see these Wikipedia articles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rib_cage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_ribs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA
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- I believe the false ribs are better described a floating ribs. Good on all counts though.
  
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by Anonymous on December 7th, 2007
I don't know. My teacher counted off for this on one of my papers, but I think that when God made Eve, he made her out of Adams rib.
But for Adam no suitable helper was found. So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh. Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
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- Maybe God (who knows everything that's going to happen) made Adam with an extra rib on one side.
  
  But why didn't God make Adam with that extra rib sticking out, so the sleep and surgery wouldn't be necessary?
  
  Or why didn't God make Eve out of nothing? Why does God need starting material? Is there some rule that God can't make something out of nothing?
  
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by fallenangel666 on August 7th, 2008
Yes God took one from Adam and gave it to Eve. How much more did God take from Adam to give to Eve? All his money perhaps? hahaha
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by Anonymous on August 7th, 2008
I have a dumb sister. She is an RN. And yet because she takes the Bible story of creation insists men have one less rib. I go count em! 24, 12 on each side. Look at the exrays. If theres one missing the guy had surgery to remove it. And that would put him out of balance with 12 on one side and 11 on the other. Gee! I pity her patients.
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by Anonymous on August 6th, 2008
Just a fun parallel:

How do you identify Adam and Eve?

They're the two without navels.
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by bowlermommy07 on July 3rd, 2008
The only way anything like that would make sense would be if men had one less rib since God is said to have taken a rib from Adam to create Eve.
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by thewallfly on July 3rd, 2008
I dont remember reading anywher that Eve had one less rib, I do remember reading that she was taken from Adam rib cage though. Heh, Maybe I need to re-read it.
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by -O-uknow on August 7th, 2008
I believe the Bible says Eve was made from a rib of Adam but it does not indicate how many he had or how many she would have.
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- Well, it can be easily assumed that man at that time 5768 years ago hat 24 ribs just like now. Removing one rib won't fly as they always come in pairs. And those pairs are always of an equal number. Not just in humans, but every mammal and vertebrae.
  
  Study your history a bit. Gutenberg invented the printing press about 1530. Bibles printed first. Less than a century later all hell broke loose and you got all these present day Christian denominations. It was called the Age of Reason. Had not Christians modified beliefs based on new scientific evidence, all of Christianity would have been relegated to the scrap heap.
  
  Biggest thing with Fundamentalists is they all think they are following the first and true Christianity. So funny! They are so pathetic and clueless. And at best their belief less than 200 years old.
  
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- Yeah, BTW, According to the Jews the creation took place exactly 5768 years ago and that is where the Jewish Calendar begins. So you're going to have to accept that along with your rib thing. And then how do you explain that cities existed in 8000 BCE, or beer was being brewed in Iran in 14,000 BCE, not to mention all the human bodies dated over a million years ago. Darn! Give it up fundamentalists, you look like real fools to the other 6 Billion people in the world. Try to teach and convert others. You're best bet will be at a center for the severely mentally handicapped (forgive this as I have great empathy for the handicapped. Just that they are a captive audience and unfortunately lack the ability to reason.)
  
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- Do not let your prejudices null your logic. Answering the question based on what is said in the Bible is my goal here. Not any other agenda.
  
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- Tis well known what the atheist stance on Christianity and any other religion is and what "your" agenda is. By now it is you who logically should have given up. If indeed you possess logic. Religion is based on faith and no amount of evidence to the contrary will ever be enough to deter the faithful. You are a practice in futility.
  
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- ... so ... atheists are stupid because they expect christians to be persuaded by evidence?
  
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by purplecows on September 11th, 2009
Take off your shirt, bend forward and get a friend to count them.

If you haven't got a friend, then ...
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by purplecows on September 11th, 2009
Do you mean, one less rib on one side?

Or, one less pair of ribs?
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by 1ndifferent on December 4th, 2008
Intresting thought

So, why would anyone think that? The notion that women have an extra set of ribs is probably based on a misinterpretation of some Bible verses in Genesis. The actual quote is:
But for Adam, no suitable helper was found. So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and closed up the place with flesh. Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and brought her to the man.
(Genesis 2: 20b - 22, NIV © 1983 by Zondervan Corp.)
Notice what this doesn’t say. It doesn’t say anything about how many ribs Adam had before or after this “surgery,” and especially it says nothing, whatsoever, about how many ribs Eve had! Nowhere does it say that Eve had more ribs than Adam. Who made that assumption without checking? Wouldn't it be just as logical to guess (also without checking) that if she was created “second” that God might have made her with the same number of ribs as the new, reduced number that Adam now had? Wouldn’t it really be more logical to guess that God might have created her with the same number of ribs as Adam just to avoid confusion? Genesis doesn't say one way or the other, so the only way to know is to cut open cadavers and start counting. Who has done that — the theologians or the biologists? My guess is that, once again, if human misinterpretations are set aside and if it is remembered that theology looks at “why” while science looks at “how,” there is no “conflict” between what the Bible, itself, is saying and what biologists know to be true about our bodies.
http://biology.clc.uc.edu/Courses/bio105/ribs.htm , Copyright © 2001 by J. Stein Carter. All rights reserved.
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- so, Adam was created with an extra rib on one side? Is that the deal?
  
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by needtoknow on July 3rd, 2008
Looks like we've all been hoodwinked again:(
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by Anonymous on August 7th, 2008
Trouble with Christians is they put all their faith in the Bible while discarding all the other Jewish holy books, like the Talmud, Midrash, Kabala, Rabbnic Works, Tur, Siddur etc. That is akin to Christians putting their entire belief into just the Book of Genesis. They use only a small part they like and find convenient and toss out the rest. But most Christians aren't this narrow minded. It is packed it to just the more radical fundamentalist types that keep the rest of us entertained by their ignorance. My all time favorite is that Ark display in Kansas showing Noah loading a couple T-Rexes aboard the Ark. And behind those 7 Borontosaurs as they were considered "clean" dinos. Some genius fundamentalist Christian will have to think very hard to top that. Oh, and of course they insist this all happened just 5768 years ago.
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by Dmitri on July 3rd, 2008
Religion does not say that, or at least the Bible does not say that. The story stems from Adam's rib being used to form Eve, though saying that all members of a gender will lack a rib is foolish. If I have my leg amputated, my child won't be missing a leg, for the dna doesn't change, even if the body does. Religion is dangerous for it jades and confuses.
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by PocketNut is as sure as a peanut on May 1st, 2010
That's like trying to find proof for Jack and the Beanstalk.
Men and women have equal quantities of ribs, you'd be better off trying to find Eden or a talking snake.
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by brientko on September 17th, 2010
A better question would be, why do they have navels ?
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by purplecows on October 3rd, 2010
Why is it up to you, at this late date, to try to find evidence?

Why not ask the people who are pushing this story for the evidence?

People have been passing this story down from one generation to the next for thousands of years. And during all this time they have also passed down ... zero evidence?
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by cheo1959 on December 24th, 2010
if i have one of my rib's removed, will my son when born have the original design or will he have a missing rib also. what happen's after the fact will not affect design
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by darryn on May 1st, 2010
@ phillis - I don't know how you could postulate that people that wrote the bible are well meaning at all? The bible talks about a God who created the universe... and texts are centuries old. Your skeptical claims are contemporary interpretations of faith based thinking. People don't believe the bible because it is some nice story but because they do it to connect with God. Its the same for anyone who studies science or the origins of the universe. Cosmology is just as much a religion as a Christian one only they guess what may have happened but can they truly prove their theories to be true?
The story of Adam and Eve requires the same faith required to postulate that there was an energy source that exploded billions of years ago and is creating the universe. The people using thought experiments to prove this are still using thought experiments we haven't seen the origins of the universe or of humanity.
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by darryn on May 1st, 2010
why couldn't it be true its just as likely that men came from hair apes but there is less evidence to prove that it exists. Science assumes that the world we inhabit has always existed the way we understand it therefore we can make regressions for radiometric dating etc. But history - in this case the flood theory was validated even by the mayans. I'm sorry but regardless of what you believe when it comes to unexamined events you had just have the same faith that any Christian has. Furthermore, if you believe that there is no such thing as truth claims then you are just as guilty making a truth claim by saying that all truth is relative. Do you think that countries that oppress their women have the truth? The people who do so believe they do. So whats your point?
So what is truth? Most actual believers of any faith would never consider the other as truth because the truth claim endorses your belief. To say that all truth is relative is to deny your truth. Some say this is open-mindedness.
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by andrew2468 on April 20th, 2010
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by andrew2468 on April 20th, 2010
"Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter’s clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?" Isaiah 29:16

Surely an Omnipotent God, All-Seeing and All-knowing would not expose Himself if the sole purpose of Earth-Life was to be tested, relying on our faith in Him.

You can find the truth. He makes this promise to all His children. Even if you ask in your mind for your Father in Heaven to guide you to His ways and meaning of life. More info here http://www.mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/basic-beliefs/the-restoration-of-truth/how-can-i-know-this-is-true
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  So, God hides?
  
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ABC
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by darryn on May 1st, 2010
In any case the true debate is whether the bible is historical or fictional, yet more manuscripts validate the bible than any other historical document. People often assume that anything written was construed but then we can say any history is fallible. The issue is not that it happened or if it didn't happen, it is that you assume it to be what you believe especially when you're are a skeptic.
Its just like some people don't believe that the holocaust occurred -they say that it was a ploy for people to feel sorry for Jews. I think that if the anyone wants to know the truth of something they should do their homework instead. And P.S the bible is not so much of book science as an account of what people have experience with God.
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by traveler6104 on March 29th, 2011
First of all, for those who do not believe the bible, it is because you haven't read it for yourself nor have you asked the right questions. Apostle Paul said for those who misrepresented God's Word that you cause others to blaspheme God's Word. So I see this is the case here. Now for the rib of Adam. What if you lose or give a kidney? Would your children be born with only one kidney? Of course not. God took a rib from Adam, but that did not affect his children after him nor did it effect the original creation of man. God performed an operation on man and closed up the flesh the bible says. The bible did not say that God alter the original creation of man. Creation of man was already completed. And for those who wish to speak against the bible, all I can say is that I was once like you and I rebelled against religion because of the people in it. I looked passed the hypocrisy of those who played church and I finally read the bible for myself. I finally understood it and repented before God.
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by purplecows on October 13th, 2011
No, no no!

God miraculously took 1 rib away from 12 and left 12!
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by Blunz on June 20th, 2008
I could do wiv a spare rib.. wiv some sauce and a coke..!!
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by gmeades on June 20th, 2008
It was a one time event... sorry...
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by Denae Crowl on July 3rd, 2008
This question was already asked in 2006 and this persons answer is more articulated than I could put it so I'm giving you this persons answer.

"purefusion answered - Jun 20 2008
2 points - Both men and women have 24 ribs in their body, 12 on each side. There are 9 rows of normal ribs, and 3 rows of "false ribs" which connect to the ribs above them.

And while it would have been an interesting piece of evidence if God had left a rib out of each male, the fact is that our DNA specifies that we are all to have 24 ribs (12 on each side). DNA is the blueprint for life, so it carries on the information that essentially puts us together, regardless of whether we've lost any part of our body or not.

For more information, see these Wikipedia articles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rib_cage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_ribs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA"
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by ravindermedi on March 26th, 2010
First of all where does the bible say do men have one less rib than Eve.
No nowhere. Its a misunderstood interpretation preached & propagated by somebody.
Bible only says God created Eve by taking the rib of Adam it doesn't mean Eve should have one more rib. It is no where mentioned how many ribs do Adam or Eve have
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by Magenta on November 6th, 2011
No, that is an ancient myth spread by believing in another ancient myth.
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by aspgirl21 on November 5th, 2011
Not a chance. Guys usually hog all the spare ribs, when having a BBQ. LOL. xD
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by purplecows on October 13th, 2011
The best way to find evidence for the Adam and Eve story is to find reports of a garden with a flaming sword outside. The Middle East is well-populated now, so many people must have seen it. So the reports will be easy to find. Try an encyclopedia.

Also, ask some of Adam and Eve's descendants where it is. Some of them must have stayed in the area, and they won't have forgotten. It's the sort of thing that would be passed on from parents to children.
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by Alty on November 5th, 2011
False, and partially true. Some people do have an extra rib, and it's more dominant in women than men, but it's around 1% of the world population. It's called cervical rib. look it up.
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by NotSuspiciousAtAll on November 5th, 2011
No. I'm afraid there isn't any evidence for costogenesis.
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by Phillis - Zacks little sister on July 3rd, 2008
Sometimes well-meaning people try to make harmless little additions to create a more interesting story. It isn't always about the Bible. It can be found everywhere.
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