I'm gay, and I want to know the truth on the amount of people on average who are okay with it and who have a problem with it. Thoughts?

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• Very nice, Lyn.

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  by Jodie44 on November 11th, 2006

• What kind of an idiot downrates an opinion answer?

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  by Fisherofman on November 11th, 2006

• I believe this is the first time I've seen anything resembling claws on Lyn! My illusions are entirely shattered :-)

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  by Stableboy on December 3rd, 2006

• Well fisherofmen..It might have to do with the fact that she called peoples decision to dislike the gay lifestyle, ignorant...I didn't rate you down, but I think it's pretty stupid do get upset for being rated down, after you insulted people's judgment like that. Doesn't matter how wrong or right they are..When you call a group of people ignorant..Expect to get rated down..Now if you were trolled, then you should get pissed! And then, I would help you get your overall rating back up, if you wanted me to.

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  by Castrate on December 28th, 2006

• you have a point, castrate, if that was indeed the reason for the downrating. Since many other people with similar answers to this question were downrated simultaneously, I concluded it was a troll.

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  by LynfromNM on December 28th, 2006

• By the de-facto consensus on the 'bag, down-rating without commenting is trolling. You don't need to know any more than that to legitimately conclude a troll passed by.

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  by Stableboy on December 28th, 2006

• stableboy..What I consider to be "trolling", is to have somebody rate down a bunch of random answers you gave; even the ones that are factually correct, or whatnot...I don't consider it to be trolling to rate down an answer without giving a comment to go with it...Some answers don't even deserve the time of day, to comment on..

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  by Castrate on December 29th, 2006

• Castrate: I understand your point of view, my general response is that what makes it trolling is that it stirs up conflict and discord without contributing something to the conversation, and it's disrespectful and/or cowardly: when you rate someone down, you're communicating. Except it's non-verbal, a sort of "digital middle finger". Would you do this walking around a room at a party to everything you thought was unacceptable? What makes it acceptable just because there's a web site protecting you from the consequences? Anyway, I don't personally have a big investment in that definition, but I think you'll find almost all the folks who've been around for a while will agree with that view.

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  by Stableboy on December 29th, 2006

• I see what you're saying, although I should tell you, I am one of those people, even in real life, that will tell you that I think you're an idiot (you as in, anybody). One problem with commenting when you downrate is, the person will know you were the one, and perhaps start trolling you to death..So, you should be careful who you leave a comment, after you downrate..Otherwise, you might just get trolled yourself, all because you didn't want to troll somebody.

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  by Castrate on December 29th, 2006

• On the one hand, I defend your right to do what you're doing. On the other hand, I think you'll eventually change your mind after you've seen the net effect of this practice long enough. But overall, people just get way too worked up over the whole rating business -- part of why I committed badgicide and dumped all my points into the ocean was because I saw that *I* was starting to get caught up in it as if it were some real indicator of relative value. Sometimes you find the most insightful postings down in the middle of a long list, but the group attention has moved on and you know it will never move up. That's just the dynamics of ratings doing what it does.

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  by Stableboy on December 29th, 2006

• Meh. It took me a while but I finally accepted that it's just a number. Some people are hateful and/or ignorant. It'd be nice if they threw off their cloak of (relative) anonymity and showed their true colors but if they won't there's not much that can be done about it.

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  by 8 Jan 2004-10 Dec 2009 on December 29th, 2006

• Ditto here, Jervinator. After the little rant on this answer I decided to let these things pass.

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  by LynfromNM on December 29th, 2006

• you go stableboy
  I don't get this whole rating thing anyway- what do you get out of it anyway? a boost to the ego?- I am in here for the fun, spreading some love to strangers. down rate me all you want- boo hoo!!!

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  by adloyada on January 5th, 2007

• Whoaaa, Lyn, way to open that can of whoopass!

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  by Andy Is Wicked Married to Penal Colony on January 7th, 2007

• yeah, I'm still tugging the reins

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  by LynfromNM on January 7th, 2007

• Yeah, I agree with Stableboy's definition.

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  by Fisherofman on January 7th, 2007

• I like your style!

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  by jennyb on March 6th, 2007

• What ever we do has a knock on effect. we al nedd to think of the effect our lives have on others, aids is on the increase, innocent people do get infected through blood transfusions, we need to be unselfish and think of the inoact we have on toher peoples lives by our way of life, we can't just think "well its my life its up to me what i do" The way we live does matter.

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  by Charmaine Jay on April 1st, 2007

• CJ - While I agree with your comment in general principle, I see two flaws here in this specific context. 1) There are plenty of ways to get AIDS that do not involve homosexuality at all. Your implication that HIV/AIDS is a 'gay' disease is an anachronistic viewpoint, disproven a decade ago. 2) If we think ONLY about others, we are basically overgrown bipedal ants; soulless, mindless insects crawling the face of the Earth. Besides, I think I have broken the hearts of a few gay men by telling them I am straight. If I were to be unselfish, I would've been at least temporarily/experimentally gay so as not to hurt their feelings. (Yes, gays have feelings!)

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  by 8 Jan 2004-10 Dec 2009 on April 1st, 2007

• Charmaine, I agree it matters how we conduct our lives, and that is why, on this small planet, it is important to value each unique combination of traits known as a human being, to appreciate the uniqueness, the contribution to the whole, and never to violate the rights or innocence of any other. Homosexuals are humans and this orientation has been part of humankind forever. Homosexuals are no more or less promisuous than heterosexuals, and to blame AIDS on them is scientifically unfounded and cruel. It does matter what we do, so yes, let us value all humans and act in a manner that promotes humanity.

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  by LynfromNM on April 1st, 2007

• I agree with Lyn: standing up for values is what causes someone to defend the rights of gays, even if they are not gay themselves -- it is very important to defend minorities who are acting within their rights, not harming others, and who are being marginalized, abused, or discriminated against. THIS defines the difference between right and wrong here: do you support the rights of the oppressed, or are you one of the oppressors? To continue along making small-minded judgments about others contributes to the conditions which are oppressing them, even if you are not personally involved with (for example) anti-gay activities. If you really care about good and evil, CJ, it's time to switch sides -- or at least stop talking about what you don't understand.

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  by Stableboy on April 1st, 2007

• Stableboy, that was one of the most helpful, humane, enlightened, comments I've ever read. I'm a little awed, although not surprised

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  by Jodie44 on April 1st, 2007

• I'm speechless. @Lyn and Stableboy (whoops and claps).

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  by Andy Is Wicked Married to Penal Colony on April 1st, 2007

• Stableboy, that was one of the most helpful, humane, enlightened, comments I've ever read.

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  by Jodie44 on April 1st, 2007

• Yes, I agree Jodie. If good men do nothing.... And thank you Andy

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  by LynfromNM on April 1st, 2007

• +3 to u lynn.there is nothing else i can add...

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  by allikatzpop on October 16th, 2007

• thank you allikatzpop!

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  by LynfromNM on October 17th, 2007

• Lynn is in fact a construction worker called, "Bob" from Godalming in Surrey.

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  by Anon y mouse on January 30th, 2008

• My secret is out!

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  by LynfromNM on January 30th, 2008

• Thank you for the answer/explaination you gave. Some people are homophobic, but not a large percentage. If you are a cool person I don't care what you do for sex.

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  by yalp4laro on July 13th, 2008

• thank you yalp4laro

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  by LynfromNM on July 13th, 2008

• I got my own problems to deal with.

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  by Dave2222 on August 28th, 2008

• I dont have a problem with it. As long as they arent harming anyone. they can do what they wish. They are still human and have feelings like everyone else.
  Good on them :)

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  by x0xAmyx0x on October 22nd, 2008

• Theres nothing wrong with gays bi straights whatever, freedom in love and all that. People who freak out over ish like that are just narrow/close-minded. welcome to the 21st century xp

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  by Anonymous on October 30th, 2008

• Agree.

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  by I am the God of Hellfire on November 14th, 2008

• I to am gay and was astonished to find how many people hate us. Just by taking part in a survey with the entire obama thing. It's just to damn bad. That's what me/we are and those that think it's a choice need a real education before opening his/her mouth. 9 times out of 10 you know and or love someone gay and just don't know it, how pitiful still :) I am a female and my heart goes out to men because they get the raw deal. At least I can dance with mine at any wedding. Those of you that preach the word -remember all men are created equal..

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  by Deb on November 18th, 2008

• please dont be so proud of the choices you make remember they do effect the decisions others make.

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  by Charmaine Jay on January 21st, 2009

• Homophobic is just another name for a person who disagrees with a degrading act. I think not washing my hands after i empty the bin is bad but should I be called binophobic, just because i think the bin is for rubish not satisfying sexual desire.

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  by Charmaine Jay on January 21st, 2009

• There's a huge difference between someone taking care of health and sanitary requirements and someone espousing bigotry and ignorance. Homophobic is not just a name for a person who disagrees with something. It does actually mean something. You can't just decide to redefine the meaning simply because it suits your irrationality, and according the Oxford English dictionary that meaning is specific:
   
  homophobia
   
  • noun an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexuals

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  by Anon y mouse on January 21st, 2009

• I love the smell of self-righteous bigotry in the morning!

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  by HasntBeen on January 22nd, 2009

• Crispy.

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  by Anon y mouse on January 23rd, 2009

• Bignorance, newly coined word: Priding oneself on narrowmindedness.

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  by LynfromNM on January 23rd, 2009

• I'm Fedexing that to the Webster's folks today!

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  by HasntBeen on January 23rd, 2009

• glad you like it!

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  by LynfromNM on January 23rd, 2009

• Excellent wordage.

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  by Anon y mouse on January 23rd, 2009

• Thanks!

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  by LynfromNM on January 23rd, 2009

• We've thought about it, thanks. We disagree. It's just slightly arrogant for you to name yourself "the Messenger" and claim to know what God thinks. But we've pre-forgiven you, presuming you had little training in the fine art of thinking for yourself as a child.

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  by HasntBeen on February 16th, 2009

• It isn't a problem, the Messenger, unless one worships a god who insists on people acting contrary to the natures they believe he created them with.

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  by LynfromNM on February 16th, 2009

• In the eyes of God it is wrong to be gay or so most say.
  Im not sure what God thinks of it and im not going to take some old books word for it either or make any crude assumptions. I was baptized and believe in God, but the bible not so much(some parts yes, others no) I go by my heart and what i feel is best for me. I don't care how other people choose to live or who they choose to love. It doesnt affect me or my life in anyway. And if God looks down upon them for being homosexual its not my problem, let them live in sin. If God doesnt care, then great. Bottom line is, the government can outlaw gay marriage all they want but they cant take away the love some partners share for eachother. Sure, it can make me feel uncomfortable at times in all honesty.
  
  But all in all,
  I d o n t c a r e.

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  by silencescreams on March 9th, 2009

• but one thing that does get on my nerves admittedly are the gay pride parades. If heterosexuals had "straight pride" parades we'd be accused of discrimination. Now how is that fair?

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  by silencescreams on March 9th, 2009

• Good point silencescreams, very good point i never thought about that aspect. I do think gays like to be in the lime light in one way or another their insistance in equality does irritate me. If truly honest the majority of people just tolorate gays, they don't truly accept them as normal, peer pressure forces people to apprear to accept the unacceptable.

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  by Charmaine Jay on March 9th, 2009

• People were irritated by blacks insistence on equality and "black pride" too. Parallels are everywhere between racism and homophobia, it's no accident -- what frightens people, what they don't understand, is chosen as a group barrier: the thing that separates "us" from "them".
   
  I doubt very much there ever would have been any gay pride movement if there had not first been centuries of discrimination and persecution of gays. When you've been beaten down a long time, it must seem very tempting and heady to get your feet under yourself, stand up, and say "Hey, I'm proud to be myself!!". The notion that someone could resent someone coming to that point is quite ugly.

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  by HasntBeen on March 9th, 2009

• Also, straight people don't need to have a "straight parade". because they are accepted into society. Alot of people hate themselves for being gay because of all the homophobia that the heterosexuals put on. I really don't think there NEEDS to be a gay pride. But in our world equality matters and if you ask me the reason why straight poeple go against gays so freely is because they can.They have so much more power..because they are accepted so it's easy for them...of course not all straight people tolerate homophobia...
  i think gay pride just shows that gay people are proud to be who they are....i don't see anything wrong about being proud of who you are especially when other people put you down.

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  by M-Pearl on April 8th, 2009

• I think that's a shrewd observation, M-Pearl.

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  by LynfromNM on April 8th, 2009

• thanks

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  by M-Pearl on April 8th, 2009

• No, I really do not give a rats azz what someone else has as a love object.. as long as they don't try to drive me nuts with it or make a big deal out of it.. love your toaster oven if you want to..
  How ever I do think it is really sad a person who cannot love anyone at all.. because they are too cold and selfish..!!

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  by Lauralaw on April 12th, 2009

• I did recently see a program about people who are obsessed with (love?) inanimate objects. A woman in love with the Eiffel Tower changed her last name to Eiffel and had some sort of ceremony.

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  by LynfromNM on April 13th, 2009

• I am a heterosexual female. Gay men are gross & it creeps me out that they actualy have sex with eachother! It gives me the hebe gebes! Yuck

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  by Jaclynn_R on June 10th, 2011

• I am a heterosexual female. Gay men are gross & it creeps me out that they actualy have sex with eachother! It gives me the hebe gebes! Yuck

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  by Jaclynn_R on June 10th, 2011

• As long as you don't let the 'hebe gebes' manifest as discrimination, your conditioned reaction can be considered harmlessly irrelevant. Thanks for sharing, though.

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  by HasntBeen on June 10th, 2011

• Human rights are absolutes, not subject to personal opinion.

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  by LynfromNM on June 10th, 2011

• Jesus christ, people are still talking in this thread?!

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  by Castrate on June 10th, 2011

• It had been two years between comments!

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  by LynfromNM on June 11th, 2011

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• There was no reason for you to be rated down on this! It is a perfectly good and honest answer! I say Kudos!

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  by Miyaku on January 6th, 2007

• Stop bitching about people rating you down. They are agreeing and disagreeing with your opinion. Stop whinging, people dont have to accept your opinion dickhead. I happen to agree with you, but dont be a fuckhead when people dont

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  by Anonymous on January 8th, 2007

• Man! it seems your the only one being a bitch! You need to stop treating people like shit and more like a person! I would be upset if a perfectly good answer I put was being down rated too! SO STOP ATTACKING MY FRIENDS!!!!!! Or you'll be sorry!!!

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  by Miyaku on January 8th, 2007

• This is what makes the world go round, sad.

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  by RockAngel on January 13th, 2007

• Excuse me, but the ratings do NOT say "Agree" or "Disagree"...they say "Helpful" and "Not Helpful". Your abusive comment has been noted.

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  by AntigoneRising on January 15th, 2007

• please dont be mad at me Anti!!!

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  by Miyaku on January 18th, 2007

• Not you, Miyaku...Anonymous.

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  by AntigoneRising on January 18th, 2007

• Antigonerising is not a bitch. Even though she hates me, still she's cool and a nice person.

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  by Anonymous on February 17th, 2007

• Ask her. She'll be like: alanpro's a little nasty bitchy nazi. Right AR?

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  by Anonymous on February 17th, 2007

• AR, in an anonymous forum, like this, one may get a close to accurate self-report. But, I did find your insight helpful and added to your points.

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  by OrsoChicago on March 22nd, 2007

• You won't get close to a representative sampling, though.

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  by AntigoneRising on March 22nd, 2007

• Honestly, Alanpro, I rarely think about you. I certainly don't hate you. I do not respect the Nazi aspect, but I think that has more to do with wanting a rise out of someone than anything else.

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  by AntigoneRising on March 29th, 2007

• If your child had contracted aids from ahomosexual then you would care a lot, just burying your head in the sand won't make it go away. Just because it doesn't seem to effect you doesn't make it right.

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  by Charmaine Jay on April 1st, 2007

• Uhmmm aids is not a typical homosexual disease- heterosexuals contract it too. The truth is that aids was not so widely spread through the heterosexual community because they use condoms to prevent pregnancies. Obviously, homosexaals have no need for birth control. Now that everyone is aware of the importance of having protected sex to prevent HIV infection, the chances have reduced significantly.
  
  PS Let's all just ignore the coward anonymus who does not dare to come up with a proper user name. Have a good monologue, anonymus!

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  by Engeltje on April 1st, 2007

• How many children contract aids from a homosexual? What you are describing isn't homosexuality, it is pedophilla. Also, AIDS is NOT a homosexual disease. Your children, assuming they are straight, are more likely to contract it from a heterosexual partner. I think you need to read up on some facts, or refrain from speaking so as not to embarrass yourself further.

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  by AntigoneRising on April 2nd, 2007

• Read the lates statistics on homosexuality and aids, you choose to agnore and try to shift the blame any debaste life style will cause aids, anyone who chooses to live a life that goes against nature will have a price to pay.

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  by Charmaine Jay on April 24th, 2007

• Charmaine, I have read the statistics on Aids. Funnily enough, the population in which the infection rate is rising is heterosexual WOMEN. As for it being against nature, there are documented occurrences of homosexuality in over 400 species. Think about this for a minute: You know you have created [Deity] in your own image when [Deity] hates all the same people you do.

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  by AntigoneRising on April 24th, 2007

• Hehe ARising, you are right- I have read many articles on the subject of homosexuality among animals and it is a perfectly natural and normal phenomenen!Charmaine Jay, why do you deliberately not get it? Aids is a protection problem, not a gay problem. The only reasons gays didn't protect themselves as muchas heterosexuals is that there was nor fear of pregnancy.

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  by Engeltje on April 25th, 2007

• antigone, i am not talikng about Dumb animals, but humans who should know better, only people who go against nature contact aids, through blood, prostitution, homosexuality, if one man and one woman stick together no bad diseases exist between them.

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  by Charmaine Jay on April 26th, 2007

• You are talking about nature. Animals are part of nature. ROFLMAO...if two disease free homosexuals start and maintain a monogamous sexual relationship, they won’t have STDs or HIV/AIDS, either. According to the NIH, "In the United States, most women are infected with HIV during sex with an HIV-infected man or while using HIV-contaminated syringes for the injection of drugs such as heroin, cocaine, and amphetamines. Of the new HIV infections diagnosed among women in the United States in 2004, CDC estimated 70 percent were attributed to heterosexual contact and 28 percent to injection drug use." http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/womenhiv.htm

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  by AntigoneRising on April 26th, 2007

• "if one man and one woman stick together no bad diseases exist between them."
  
  You have GOT to be kidding. AIDS in Africa and many other regions in the world is spread primarily through heterosexual sex (http://www.4women.gov/hiv/worldwide/). Heterosexual transmission of AIDS is also increasing in the U.S. Monogamy certainly decreases the chances of contracting AIDS, but that depends entirely on the sexual history of the partners before they got together. As they say, when you have sex w/ someone, you're essentially exposed to all their previous sexual partners.

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  by astarte59 on May 3rd, 2007

• Charmaine Jay, are you serious? You think disease is a result of people "going against nature"? You really think that people get horrible diseases because they're disobeying God's law? I am a 28-year-old, heterosexual ("straight") woman who was baptized at 3, and have been a faithful and trusting follower of Christ ever since (with a few exceptions--hey, I'm human!). I have Lupus, Fibromyalgia, Osteoarthritis in my knees, spine and elbows, as well as 2 different heart conditions.

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  by Sunni1 on July 31st, 2007

• I have had to quit work and apply for disability at 28! I take 17 different medications a day. I use a breathing machine to keep me from dying in my sleep. And I purchased my very first cane yesterday. Are you saying this is my fault, that somehow I could have brought this on myself, or that MY loving God would cause me such suffering because of something I may or may not have done?? How could a true Christian believe that their loving God could inflict such suffering on one of his own children?

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  by Sunni1 on July 31st, 2007

• And for your information, in response to your "dumb animal" comment, I have a cat who is very smart! You don't have any love to give to people OR animals. What will you say when you get to those Pearly Gates of Heaven, and God asks you if you've loved?: "No, but I went to church on Sundays, gave 10% in tithes, and memorized the bible!" Charmaine Jay, you need to go back and re-read the bible because you missed the part about loving thy neighbor.

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  by Sunni1 on July 31st, 2007

• Jesus: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." Drop that rock, Charmaine Jay.

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  by Sunni1 on July 31st, 2007

• sunni1 all of you health problems have not been caused by sleeping around or by practising homosexual acts, you are an innocent victim of mankinds inperfection, as a christian you must know that the God of the bible intends to put everything right, in the near future, God causes no suffering and wishes none but mankind has a habit of reaping what they sews, if man would only listen he could have avoided aids at least. If we play with fire we will get burnt.

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  by Charmaine Jay on August 1st, 2007

• Mankind's imperfection? Per your theology, Yahweh created everything, did he not? Then that includes all the horrible diseases of the world. BTW, AIDS and HIV aren't caused by sex or any sex act. That is ONE way that the virus is SPREAD.

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  by AntigoneRising on August 1st, 2007

• Read Your Bible. They exist, because of original sin, you know adam and eve and the Fruit. Before that mankind had no disease, and was not affected by any germs or death. separation from god caused us to be affected by disease, and the sins of the world allow them to be spread. but sometimes a person can get a disease and his sin is not the reason he/she got it, but it was a sin that spread it none the less.

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  by BubbaTech on August 15th, 2007

• Firstly, I've read the Bible (4 times cover-to-cover, to be precise). Secondly, I don't believe a word of that rubbish. Finally, if Yahweh is all-powerful, omnipresent, and the creator of all, He is responsible for everything that happens...EVERY LAST THING. Have a pleasant day.

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  by AntigoneRising on August 15th, 2007

• man was given the commandments to follow AND the opportunity to make choices.that his what he will be judged on....his choices...

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  by allikatzpop on October 16th, 2007

• Unless, of course, Yahweh doesn't exist, never did, and the Bible is nothing more than the collected works of theological politicians. (Which is what I believe.) Even if Yahweh exists, He's the most evil being I've ever heard described, so I really don't care what He says or doesn't say.

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  by AntigoneRising on October 16th, 2007

• pts up Antigone

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  by FreeRadical Jetpacking for Nelson on December 15th, 2007

• agreed antigone

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  by DiSTurBiA on January 25th, 2008

• charmaine, what ignorant, and bigoted comments. diseases are spread equally with hetero or homosexual partners. Oh and so far god has done nothing........hmm maybe thats because he doesnt exist. I agree with antigone, tho I could never read the bible 4 times(wow!) and found nothing but fictional crap. I condemn the bible.

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  by DiSTurBiA on January 25th, 2008

• It doesn't matter to me. My mother in law is gay and I've never seen anything wrong with it. People need to get over it and quit blaming god and hiding behind religion as an excuse to be bigots.

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  by caseysbabydoll on May 22nd, 2008

• This is in response to the Disease comment above, there are many studies that there are in fact Greater risk to gay men, in spreading disease, because of anal sex, it spreads easier when you are on the receiving end of anal sex, whether you are gay or strait.
  
  and the risk goes down when there is no anal sex, and down further when there is no penetrating sex.
  
  so lesbians are safer than gay men...
  
  the bible is a history book, filled with inspirational messages. I am sad that you cannot be inspired by the writings there, I guess you never got past the second book, where it condemns Gay marriage.

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  by BubbaTech on August 5th, 2008

• Oh, personally, BubbaTech, we've all gotten past the second book, but it doesn't get much better, sorry, unless you isolate only the teachings of Yeshua (Jesus) which are quite a lot better (in general). Let me be quite frank that I have studied the Bible for over 25 years, and read it cover to cover 4 times along with the study. It is fictional crap, and a large portion of it is outright evil.

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  by AntigoneRising on August 5th, 2008

• Im with Antigone on that one.

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  by DiSTurBiA on August 5th, 2008

• I agree. I do believe in God, as in a higher existance, but to me, the Bible is more of a story or a fable to control us. Religion, come to think of it, is meant to control us. We are all God, or rather our collective consiousness is.

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  by Inducted Kitty on August 23rd, 2008

• I Feel sorry for all of You! I think you need to read the Bible again!

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  by Anonymous on September 10th, 2008

• I'm with you Anonymous! I feel Sorry for all of Them...
  B.I.B.L.E: (B)asis (I)nstructions (B)efore (L)eaving (E)arth!
  Anti? What if it is for Real?

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  by Anonymous on September 23rd, 2008

• I feel sorry for those following a book like a blind sheep. *shakes head* poor clueless, sheep.

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  by DiSTurBiA on September 25th, 2008

• Maybe we are just interperating the Bible differently eh? Ever think of that? And who is to say that one view or understanding is right or wrong? It's right to the one who interperated it that way! There is much in the Bible that different religions have their own slant on, hence the different religions. But, their followings only agree with their specific church's understanding of the Bible, and do not even consider the other church's point of view or opinion.

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  by Inducted Kitty on October 11th, 2008

• paul, ur sorry for me? Stop it, my sides are sore from laughing. Ok you guys, go ahead, continue being slaves to a book, and a imaginary beast. Antigone, Free Radical, and I have better things to do with our time. But seriously, thanks for the laugh, I needed it :)..... god's wrath.....PFFFFT! hahahahahahahahahaahahaha!

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  by DiSTurBiA on October 11th, 2008

• "Anti? What if it is for Real?" What if the Book of the Dead is for Real? What if the Bhagavad Gita is for Real? What if one or more of the thousands of Gods and Goddesses you disbelieve in are for Real? Have you ever thought about that? My answer is pretty much the same. Also, if the Bible is real, the deity it describes is categorically evil, and I wouldn't worship it anyway. Sorry. I don't worship genocidal, narcissitic, bigoted maniacs. Oddly enough, I have a thing against it.

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  by AntigoneRising on October 13th, 2008

• Im a atheist, but even Baphomet isnt as malicious as this supposed "god" they speak of.

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  by DiSTurBiA on October 13th, 2008

• Exactly. I am more than a bit baffled by their assumption that, if they could just prove to me that Yahweh was real, I'd begin worshipping Yahweh. Uh, no. I've read that book, thanks just the same.

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  by AntigoneRising on October 14th, 2008

• yeah me too, actually Im laughing my ass of that they think that you or I would worship the manifestation of tyranny, malice, hate, and not to mention the worst "parent" imaginable.
  Paul, anonymous........yeah we're not blind sheep, sooooo yyyeaaaah, not gonna happen.

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  by DiSTurBiA on October 14th, 2008

• I actually believe in God, but not some guy who micromanages people's genetics (sexuality largely is, IMHO) to make their lives more challenging. That's just crazy. My husband just died 6 weeks ago, as you know, and the 8 people still coming to my house to take care of me are all gay men. So there :)

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  by FreeRadical Jetpacking for Nelson on October 15th, 2008

• sorry to hear about ur husband Jetpacker :( thoughts are with you :)

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  by DiSTurBiA on October 15th, 2008

• Right on.

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  by hhhttt2 on November 27th, 2008

• you mean god<<

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  by Forsaken on December 16th, 2008

• why would God make it that easy for us puny humans to enter a sinless eternity?

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  by Forsaken on December 16th, 2008

• Romaine Lettuce, people.

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  by FreeRadical Jetpacking for Nelson on December 16th, 2008

• *****

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  by skillz that killz on January 13th, 2009

• i am 19 not everyone will accept you but dont dwell on this because most people in this world are to sensitive.

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  by London on March 12th, 2009

• Being gay is an abomination

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  by Forsaken on March 13th, 2009

• Males have a penis females have a vagina people how hard is it to figure out who you are suppose to get it on with

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  by Forsaken on March 13th, 2009

• Forsaken...you are DUMB.

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  by Raem on June 1st, 2009

• That's what she said.

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  by Anonymous on June 2nd, 2009

Comments

• Nicely put.
  
  Apparently some people think they had something to do with the race, sex, situation, religion, or sexuality they were born into.
  
  Must be nice to be such an efficient and influential fetus.
  : )

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  by Dances.w.scissors on December 3rd, 2006

• Most people who aren't solidly locked into Dark Ages thinking support your right to live a normal life and love whom you choose. But watch out for that bottom 1% of the gene pool...

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  by Stableboy on December 3rd, 2006

• strangely no faggots and lesbians are born of faggot or lesbian relationships, so that makes everyone a product of ??? 1 man + 1 woman = you and everybody else was born of this same quotient!

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  by hollywood_media on December 20th, 2006

• What does it matter what we're a product of?

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  by Darkling on December 22nd, 2006

• I think we just heard from that bottom 1% of the gene pool. Great, so now we have a full spectrum of mindsets present! Let's sing "we are the world" together on 3...

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  by Stableboy on December 24th, 2006

• hollywood_media: You're exactly right! I honestly can't believe no one has said this before! I was born from two right handed parents. I am left handed. I thought all my life that there was something wrong with me. I mean, just why would God have given me this left-handed lifestyle? What had I done wrong? I don't think I'll ever fit in, not really. I've even tried to make myself right handed. I can safely "pass", so that no one ever has to know my dark secret. But, each time I write in that unsure script that my right hand produces, I feel like I die a little inside. I feel sickened by this, but as long as I can keep hiding my shame from the rest of the right handed world, I at least feel a little safer that I never have to use those "special" scissors again! Thank you for putting in words what I've always known, deep down inside my sad, little, left handed heart. Thank you.

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  by teknimage on December 24th, 2006

• You're a LEFTY!?? Eeewwwww... I can't believe I ever talked to you. I'm sorry, but I disagree severely with your "lifestyle". That's just ... gross. If God had meant people to be left-handed he would have put the steering wheel on the other side of the car. Ick!

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  by Stableboy on December 24th, 2006

• There's nothing wrong with not fitting in, that means you're being an individual, but we should always examine if what we're doing is rational, or if we're just taking things to a higher level of social misfit pride. Myself included. I am a social misfit. however I am not gay.

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  by thefunkyone on December 28th, 2006

• I doubt many have "chosen" to be gay simply to be disestablishmentarian. However, I think there are many outside the "mainstream" of popular culture who emphasize their separateness distinctions to help define themselves. This is evident in many subcultures, not just in the gay community. I also don't think of being gay as being a "social misfit". LOL

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  by teknimage on December 28th, 2006

• Nevermind. Do you ever know what you want to say, but don't know how to say it?

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  by thefunkyone on December 28th, 2006

• Of course! LOL I think I read that in my Owner's Manual. Something to do with a flaw that is easily exploited. I keep looking for the patch or upgrade, but can't seem to find it anywhere.

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  by teknimage on December 28th, 2006

• Must be talking about Woody's Bar on Church St. I'm not gay and have been there with a gay pal. Must mean I'm ok with it.

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  by scubabob on January 6th, 2007

• I've been to Woody's. Been there more times than I am able to properly recall. :P Fun place. It was also the bar featured as "Babylon" on the Showtime series "Queer As Folk".

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  by teknimage on January 7th, 2007

• So you're not offended when people confront you like that? Like, you don't feel weird or anything?
  I have a lot of gay friends so I just wanted to know the etiquette.

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  by Fisherofman on January 7th, 2007

• The etiquette is to treat your gay friends as your friends. What's the difference? A friend is a friend. I don't feel any different, when walking down the street when one of my woman friends says "nice ass" or if it's a friend that happens to be gay says it. Both are saying EXACTLY the same thing. Why should it matter the source?

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  by scubabob on January 7th, 2007

• I SHOULDN'T matter, but in today's social structure sometimes it does.
  For instance, Caucasians can't use the "n word".
  Chill out.

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  by Fisherofman on January 7th, 2007

• It* shouldn't matter (correction)

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  by Fisherofman on January 8th, 2007

• We choose to be straight at birth, when we are born. You know, the part where you were born naturaly from a woman who had sex with a man to produce you? Go fuck yourself mate. I have no problem with homosexuality. But its the same as everything. If your different be prepared to cop flack from people. By coming out gay, you willingly open yourself to all critiscm, unfortunately people of other races dont have that option. Theres a difference between tolerating and welcoming homosexuality. I think people should just learn to accept the fact that it probably will never be welcomed, and youve got to get over it

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  by Anonymous on January 8th, 2007

• Well Anonymous, you've certainly entered the conversation with a bang. I don't think you'll win the compassion OR the original thinking awards, but if you still want to do something useful I have an old tree that needs some angry person to chop it down.

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  by Stableboy on January 8th, 2007

• Anonymous: Holy cow! That's totally SICK! What about birth makes you want to have sex with a woman? You've totally lost me here. I don't know if you're in therapy for this, or just exploring these feelings, but I suggest you take a closer look at how you "chose" to be straight. I mean, I've seen natural child birth and personally find nothing about it that would want to make me have intercourse with a woman. Is there something I'm missing? Could you elaborate?

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  by teknimage on January 8th, 2007

• I share teknimage's concern. I know plenty of therapists that would be willing to help you Anonymous.

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  by Fisherofman on January 8th, 2007

• Might be a bit late. Hard to treat brain death.

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  by scubabob on January 8th, 2007

• teknimage: I just read your earlier analogy. I'm left-handed too, and I'm laughing myself silly! Well done.

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  by Anonymous on January 12th, 2007

• kudos to you !!!!!!!

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  by Vesper on February 1st, 2007

• Actually, homosexuality is a mixture of genetic and environmental factors. If it is FULLY acquired, then the twin studies would have shown that both twins would be homosexual. In a lot of the cases, one twin is homosexual and the other isn't. Contrary to popular belief, it is not entirely genetic.

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  by Anonymous on February 6th, 2007

• I'm sorry anonymous but you're wrong... No one has the same DNA, therefore just because one twin is gay does not mean the other would be too. Obviously your straight or in denial about being homosexual. But thanks for your useless input.

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  by jd72087 on February 6th, 2007

• Identical twins actually do have the same DNA. That's why twin studies are useful for determining certain things. One twin acts as the genetic control. I may not agree with Anonymous' views but there's no reason to be nasty about it.

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  by Darkling on February 6th, 2007

• Just agreeing: Identical twins do have the same DNA, thus any difference in behavior or otherwise is attributed to environment.

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  by Jon Hart on March 29th, 2007

• Yes. That is the amazement of twins. They share the same DNA.

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  by Mom of 4 on March 30th, 2007

• I want to add to my above comment. Although they share the same DNA, does not mean they will BOTH be gay/lesbian etc. Just because one has a passion for carpentry doesn't mean the other will.

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  by Mom of 4 on March 30th, 2007

• The fact that homosexuality is becoming more acceptable is not a good thing. Gun crime and pedophelia, are also on the increase but that doesn't make it right, infact it just shows you how disgusting this world has become and is becoming. No its not a good sign its a sign that we are living in the last days 2 Tim 3. I koow you all won't agree but truth is never popular with ones who hate truth.

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  by Charmaine Jay on April 1st, 2007

• What does homosexuality have to do with gun crime and pedophilia? I don't understand. Why would homosexuality not be acceptable- live and let live!
  And anonymous is too yellow to use a proper username.

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  by Engeltje on April 1st, 2007

• DITTO CHARMAINE . . . I dont believe being gay is the way God intended. Just because its popular, doesnt make it right. I have nothing against the people themselves. Its the practice that is wrong. Logically, how could it be right . . . How many gays does it take to make a gay? Condemn the sin not the sinner. we all have faults that need attention. A true friend would never ridicule those with problems, but they also would never ignore or encourage it either. True happiness comes from living God's plan as he planned it. All other substitutes/pervertions of that plan are only false and short lived pleasures

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  by Shaunocerous on April 15th, 2007

• Hmmm, popularity? It's actually pathetic how the religious right can try to take the moral high ground at times. It appears that all a preacher needs do is take a course and ditch the spotlight for a bit and they're suddenly "cured" of liking pitching, or is it catching for the other team. Not to mention the drugs. No idea why you people can't live and let live . Or are you all too busy trying to stay in your own closet?

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  by scubabob on April 16th, 2007

• I'm with Shaunocerous on this. Even if one denies the Truth, homosexuality has never enhanced a society. Look at history, namely Rome. Accepting all types of behaviors is nice and open-minded, until your country collapses around you.

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  by Anonymous on April 17th, 2007

• I think a country is more likely to collapse because of religious fundamentalism than of a few people being gay.

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  by Engeltje on April 17th, 2007

• Annon is correct, but you choose to ignore because it goes againt you sexual feelings.

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  by Charmaine Jay on April 24th, 2007

• Hate to break it to you, but Rome did not fall because of its permissive sexual practises. Rome fell because the emperor converted to Christianity, moved the capital around and destablised the way in which it could be defended by this decentralisation of resources

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  by Anonymous on April 25th, 2007

• Lol, Redrum, that's correct! Look, Anon and Jay, only a small percentage of the population is gay and this could not affect the rise and fall of any society. In the animal kingdom there is also a percentage of gay animals, which proves that homosexuality is normal and natural.

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  by Engeltje on April 25th, 2007

• Red if rome fell because of christianity, it was because none of them were practising what they preached because homosexuality is against christianity, it fell because people like today chose to ignore good moral standards.

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  by Charmaine Jay on April 26th, 2007

• Um, no. Charmaine Jay. It fell because the government was decentralised by the movement of the capital to Constantinople under Constantine and back to Rome again, this significantly weakened the economy and resources and made it harder to defend the culture against other 'barbarian' states rising in Europe. Homosexuality had nothing to do with Rome falling.

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  by Anonymous on April 26th, 2007

• LOL! You go, Redrum! Wow, it's been too long since I've heard a good "burn" like that one...

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  by Sunni1 on July 31st, 2007

• Rome was strong when its familys were strong, if men have a family to come back to they have a will to survive, if you look deeper into the roman culture you will see the main reason it fell was the fall of the family unit and the increase in homosexuality, look at society today it is going down hill fast alomg with its debaste moral standards, its the same old story but on a world wide scale. SUNNI1 I take it you are an homosexual?

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  by Charmaine Jay on October 23rd, 2007

• I think you're seeking "debased" rather than "debaste" -- to "debaste" would mean to remove the butter from the turkey, which is actually the bird that came to mind as the closest association when I tried hard to consider your Instant Mini-History of Rome (as told to you by the Tooth Fairy, apparently?). I think we're going to need to cite sources for this. Preferably some historian who's been out of detox for at least 6 months :)

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  by Stableboy on October 23rd, 2007

• well im not gonna judge ya cause i dn't no u but i have a issue with gays i dnt no y but dey just digust me sorry but hey dats just my poinion

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  by datgyallilnikz on December 26th, 2007

• Thanks for that clearly written and well-thought out bit of silliness.

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  by Stableboy on December 26th, 2007

• Friggin' text message crap. Since it's more or less unintelligible, I assume that this person is saying they have a water mellon in their ear and they bark like a dog?

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  by scubabob on December 26th, 2007

• As much as I discount the opposition on this issue, I'm not ready to lump them all with datgyallilnikz. Every Bell curve has it's lower end :)

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  by Stableboy on December 26th, 2007

• Or its clapper...

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  by Darkling on December 27th, 2007

• I think we should minimize confusing and somewhat crude outbursts. How about a valium?

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  by HasntBeen on August 27th, 2008

• Gays are fags

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  by Lukezor on September 4th, 2008

• Ah, another genius shows up on this thread! How nice. You're aware that you have to be taller than a trash can to go on this ride?

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  by HasntBeen on September 4th, 2008

• i think stright chicks go to gay bars so that they can have a good time with out being hit on.

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  by armygirl on September 7th, 2008

• Totally agree with jd. When did the straights choose? Great comment!!

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  by Frank Further on September 9th, 2008

• Even people who think that homosexual acts are gross can generally accept a homosexual person. Really, your status has nothing to do with your spiritual or emotional development.

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  by Frank Further on September 9th, 2008

• yes. I choose to be with my wife.
  I have many GAY friends and when i have posed the question seriously. They each, stated (in their own words) that if were to be totally honest with themselves, it was a choice they made.

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  by atreyu on September 12th, 2008

• No doubt it was a choice they made -- based on being attracted to people of the same sex. So what? It doesn't explain why they were attracted to people of the same sex. Obviously everyone has a choice about their actions, that doesn't mean they have a choice about their dispositions.
   
  I've never been attracted to men, it's just not something I have a choice about. Gay men are, and it seems clearly not something they have a choice about either.

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  by HasntBeen on September 12th, 2008

• I wouldn't bother debating with him, he's uh... well, see for yourself. http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/3993379

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  by Carmella on September 12th, 2008

• let me quote you:
  "No doubt it was a choice they made"
  "it seems clearly not something they have a choice about"
  
  learn not to stick a foot in your mouth and maybe we can have a clear and civil conversation.

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  by atreyu on September 12th, 2008

• Yes, they have a choice about their BEHAVIOR. They don't have a choice about their DESIRE. If you re-read my comment carefully, instead of jumping to conclusions, you will see the distinction clearly indicated. Nobody is saying gays don't have a choice about their behavior, just like nobody is saying that mechanics didn't have a choice to become mechanics. But why did they want to work on cars? That's much more difficult to answer.

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  by HasntBeen on September 12th, 2008

• you said:
  " Nobody is saying gays don't have a choice about their behavior "
  Im sure i can find you plenty of people that say that.

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  by atreyu on September 12th, 2008

• Actually, that was only the first half of his sentence. You're conveniently leaving out the rest in your quotation because it doesn't fit with your agenda.

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  by Carmella on September 12th, 2008

• Yes, well if I see them, I am inclined to correct them. The problem is "being gay" is ambiguous. What does it mean? It can mean "has sex with same gender" (clearly, choiceful) or it can mean "is attracted to same gender" (probably not choiceful).
   
  In either case, my position is that it's none of our business what a gay person either wants or does, as long as they otherwise are not harming the innocent. That's what personal responsibility and freedom are all about. So what if they chose or didn't choose? It's not mine to run someone else's life.

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  by HasntBeen on September 12th, 2008

• I like your answer. Its nice to be able to hear from someone who can express logically their position.
  
  I almost fully agree with you. it is their choice to be with who they want. I beleive their are a very small few who have an absolute attraction to the same sex though. I believe for the most part they have a small inclination and due to pain, suffering or otherwise some point in their life, they made a conscious decision to go gay all the way (so to say).
  
  Maybe daddy beat them too much, maybe raped them, maybe gave too much love, not enough. maybe dad was the picture perfect role model for any father to be. The fact is, we dont know all the factors that may or may not drive a person to this lifestyle (that is how the gay community describes it, right? a lifestyle?). Well i lived in san fransisco for 25 years so i know its called a lifestyle.
  
  anyways, i do agree with you. and i fully believe its not my right (nor do i care to) take a persons freedom from choosing that lifestyle

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  by atreyu on September 12th, 2008

• So what is your agenda on this thread, and why do you sound so angry? Live and let live, yes?

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  by HasntBeen on September 12th, 2008

• agenda? oh dont listen to carmella. she just hates kids and i called her out on it.
  
  I have fun posting, look at my original post to your comment was there any anger within that comment?
  
  Carmella disliked a conversation i had with her and has followed me around tagging everything of mine (not that i care about points). So the question should be, whats her agenda and why is she so angry?
  
  otherwise, my agenda is to share my views and if i see hypocrites or people that make no sense, i have no problems calling them out. I saw none of that with you but you made an interesting comment that i thought would turn out to have some interesting conversation. and lead to a better understanding. I was right. in our conversation i have found out your position and respect you for that.
  
  Simple as that. ( i have not seen this with you ) but i have no idea why people take such personal feelings to negative comments about them.
  
  I can be curt and i apologize if i was with you. it was unintentional

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  by atreyu on September 12th, 2008

• I think you owe Carmella an apology. I saw the other thread. But this is not the place for such conversations.

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  by HasntBeen on September 12th, 2008

• Excuse me? I followed you around? I've spoken to you twice, once last night and once this morning (here). I have no problems with children, and I think the other thread makes that clear -- which people are free to go and read if they so choose. The link is several comments above.

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  by Carmella on September 12th, 2008

• excuse me??? i owe no one an apology.

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  by atreyu on September 12th, 2008

• And yes... please read the thread... I was right in my posting.

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  by atreyu on September 12th, 2008

• No, that was when you chose to act on the urges. Everybody has a choice to have sex, whether it be with a man or a woman -- what people *don't* have a choice about is who they are attracted to. I'm straight, I never chose to be *attracted* to men or women, but I *chose* who to have sex with.

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  by Carmella on October 10th, 2008

• The Bible tells you to kill homosexuals, that it's ok to own slaves, and that a rapist must buy his victim from her father. I take it you agree with all this too?

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  by Carmella on October 11th, 2008

• I believe that countering a sound argument with an insult and a few unrelated Bible verses shows far more wisdumb than the preceding comment.

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  by HasntBeen on October 11th, 2008

• lol I love people, so diverse, you never know what your going to get by asking a simple question so heavily weighted by linking personal behavior to excuses to be roused to anger. or in english, religious judgement from an outside standpoint removed from facts or knowledge of the topic in question. to properly bash gays you must first have stumbled upon the gay lifestyle, want to throw a punch? first you have to be just or your just closed minded. heard of the kkk? I had a buddy drop the klan for who is now his beautifull black wife, justice in its purest. Bahsers beware.

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  by Mud on January 11th, 2009

• Carmella hearts Lebkuchen, would you mind telling me where specifically the Bible say to kill homosexuals and other things that you have listed? Thank you.

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  by Anonymous on February 5th, 2009

• Leviticus 20:13 is one famous instance: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."
   
  A lot on this topic can be found here: http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibl.htm

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  by HasntBeen on February 5th, 2009

• On gays: Leviticus 20:13 (KJV): "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."
   
  On slaves: Leviticus 25:44-46 (NLT): However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.
   
  On rape: Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (NLT): If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

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  by Carmella on February 5th, 2009

• I assert that what keeps verses like these from completely exploding the entire modern fundamentalist regressive movement is only the incredible power of the human mind to stare straight at black and call it white.

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  by HasntBeen on February 5th, 2009

• Hmm and this particular Anonymous that started this last round of discussion seems to have spent more time in the "sin" categories than in religion. I find that...funny.

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  by scubabob on February 6th, 2009

• The Bible blatently speaks against homosexuality in Leviticus and considers homosexuality an abomination against God. How much more black and white can it be explained or understood. People are not born gay because God would not make someone that way and then have it referred to as an abomination in the Holy Bible. People tend to make excuses for what they want to do or for there own perversions. Homosexuality is a perversion and not a way of life and I cannot understand how people still tend to lead this life knowing they will be damned to eternal suffering in hell. Your words are true.

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  by Anonymous on February 17th, 2009

• Yes, you're right: the Bible does say that. That's how we know it's wrong -- because it's obviously immoral to order people to do things like kill homosexuals, allow rapists to buy their victims, and enslave your fellow man. That's not God speaking, it's human beings... the proof is in the outrageous immorality of the verses involved.
   
  What you're doing is turning common sense upside down, and saying that (a) the Bible must be the literal word of God, so therefore (b) these horrific passages are acceptable. Not true.

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  by HasntBeen on February 17th, 2009

• I ought to become involved some sort of religion that's holy text says it's " just fine and dandy to draw, quarter, spit on and enslave the family members" of some of these born again christian types. That would be ok to do then according to some. It is after all written in a holy book. Right.

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  by scubabob on February 17th, 2009

• Old Testament is cut and dry. If you disobeyed God's commands, you got what you deserved. There was no mercy, grace or forgiveness. But when Jesus came in New Testament, he brought all those things by dying on the cross for our sins. Romans 7:23 says: For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. We, today, deserved death for our sinful and unpure choices. Our society is so corrupted that it is sick to even think about it, but Jesus forgives and gives us new life if we ask Him for His forgiveness.

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  by Anonymous on February 19th, 2009

• Hmmm... so God changed his mind about the best way to relate to humanity? If you were unfortunate enough to be born in the old days, you got fried for the weaknesses he created you with, but if you were one of the Lucky Ones™ born later, you got a Get Out of Jail Free card? Interesting: a double standard, based on a factor the victim has no control over. I wonder if that could be considered justice?
   
  Anyway, you've completely ignored the point: it is wrong to kill homosexuals, it is wrong to buy your rape victim from her father, it is wrong to enslave your fellow man. The Bible seems to have a hard time telling right from wrong, if you take these verses at face value -- but you ARE taking them at face value in your argument, so it seems you've inherited the Bible's moral confusion. And now you want to tell US what's "sinful and unpure"? Hmm...

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  by HasntBeen on February 19th, 2009

• Well, you completely missed the point about God and His faithfulness and loving character. And what you wrote in first paragraph is so not what I said. What you do is twist Bible Verses and what I said to implie something total horried and awful about God. God didn't tell humans to kill humans because He said do not murder. By those verses, He showed that what He siad, He meant it. Go ahead and paraphrase it in a way that it is support your answer.

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  by Anonymous on February 19th, 2009

• If God has a loving character, why is he so violent? Why is the OT so full of him ordering the Israelites to slaughter everyone, raining down fire from heaven, kill, kill, kill?
   
  Really, to any reasonable, objective person -- someone who is not trying to hold their belief system together with duct tape -- it's obvious what is going on: the OT represents a lot of ethnocentric viewpoints that the Hebrew leaders promulgated to promote and protect their group. It wasn't God talking, it was people talking. That's why so much of it is we-centered, violent, and repressive.
   
  Scroll forward a few thousand years, and folks such as yourself just IGNORE the ugly parts, and focus on the love and faithfulness and yadayada. Well I like the nice parts too, who doesn't? But you can't just skip past the evil in your reading. Read it ALL.

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  by HasntBeen on February 19th, 2009

• watch religulous

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  by Mud on March 5th, 2009

• bit steriotipical

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  by aceruner on February 27th, 2010

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• Very true, alot of the gay guys I've met were really nice! Most of them were really funny too!

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  by Miyaku on January 6th, 2007

• I know a gay guy who is an alter boy, serving the Lord every sunday, I am ashamed of my self because I could not do it. If I bashed him because he is gay, God would say to me, Did you serve me as he did? I would hang my head down.

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  by RockAngel on January 13th, 2007

• Yea, as a woman, I think gay men are awsome! They are so open, artistic feeling oriented...

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  by Just Living on February 18th, 2007

• are people rating this down? that is unfair. I may not agree with your sexual orientation, but the question was a fair question and no answer should be marked down unless it is offensive or nonsense.

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  by singwell-is off researching a lot on February 20th, 2007

• No Rock God doesn't approve of the gay alter boy, he was influenced by the priest, but he must clean his act up and as for him serving God no way. Gods will for people today is to share the good news of the kingdon, Matt 24:14 unless he is attempting to do that then he is just doing what the vicar wants not what God wants. But he must clean up his life before God will accept him.

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  by Charmaine Jay on April 24th, 2007

• Charmaine, I think God's law is "Love one another."
  
  "Beloved, let us love one another. For love is of God, and everyone who loves Him is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not, knoweth not God, for God is love." (1 John 4:7-8)
  
  Judging people is God's job. Not yours.

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  by Sunni1 on May 21st, 2007

• What kind of god do you all worship? A god that judges's the beings that HE created and condemns them for using the free will that HE gave them is no god of mine.

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  by ender1886 on April 11th, 2008

• AMEN!! well said ;)

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  by lizardqueen on August 4th, 2008

• He Gives you a Choice, because he loves you, if you chose not to believe in him, and not follow his rules, he allows you to choose not to be with him in the end.
  
  He does not condemn you, he allows you to chose where you want to be, and if it isn't with him...

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  by BubbaTech on August 5th, 2008

• Not sure if I believe in God or not...yet, but that was a well phrased comment from BubbaTech.

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  by Cleo on August 22nd, 2008

• they are down rating you because they have an opinion too and they disagree. The moment you posted your opinion you gave others the right to challenge that. what makes your opinion better than theirs?

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  by atreyu on September 12th, 2008

• Your right opinions are like Ass!@#$% we all have one!

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  by Anonymous on September 23rd, 2008

• Folks, you shouldn't get upset if people downgrade your answers. Either they agree or not. Opinions go both ways, not just one. So it would be hypocritical to tell someone, "Hey, it's just an opinion. Don't downgrade me."

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  by gowriter on December 18th, 2008

• Yes, but you can dissagree with someone without having to degrade them. In this case "downgrade". :)

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  by ender1886 on December 28th, 2008

• ever wonder about much of that explosive responce is an attempt hide latent related energy that might be accepted were it not for the fear we see as angry responses and bashing?

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  by Mud on January 11th, 2009

• seems a lot of you are trying to make homosexuality seem ok but think of the machanic especially with the male version of the species. its a very dangerous game to play. Under ground there are a series of tunnels and pipes for human waste as we speak they are being used by many people, if i had a choice to go down and visit the dark dingy wet sweaty cold smelly place i would refuse because its where germs linger. why on earth would someone want to go and spend time there, common sense tells anyone with half a brain its not the place to be.

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  by Charmaine Jay on January 15th, 2009

• facing ones misteries is the path to self evidence and truth, or something like that

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  by Mud on January 15th, 2009

• CharmaineJay. I agree whoeheartedly. There is a special place a female has to do two things. 1, she can reproduce life from this place. 2. She can give great pleasure from this place which will keep the family together.

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  by bazza on January 21st, 2009

• Thank you bazza.

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  by Charmaine Jay on January 28th, 2009

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• Courage is the rope we use to lift ourselves out of suffering.

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  by Stableboy on November 11th, 2006

• hmm?

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  by Fisherofman on November 11th, 2006

• You're an activist? I'm going to tell you right now, I'm not rating you down, but I can't stand activists..I'm entitled to my opinion too, and I think activists of any kind, take things way too seriously..Whether it be, sexist women activists, or a gay parade, full of gay and transsexual activists..If it's an anti bush political statement, or an anti Clinton political statement...It all bugs me, and I am in the mood to let somebody know..If you're one of those people I would find out in the street holding a sign saying, "give gay peoples more rights!" with pretty little rainbows on it, then I would be pissed...Oh, and sorry if I offended you, just saying..I can stand activists. Please don't troll me..

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  by Castrate on December 29th, 2006

• I really don't think that Gay activism does any good, why bother, I won't mark you down for being an activist though.
  
  Great comment Castrate, Activists are a pain.

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  by Dog_Star on December 30th, 2006

• An activist is just somebody who cares enough to take ACTION. Action is what distinguishes someone who knows who they are from someone who packs their head full of opinions waiting to be discovered for their brilliance and profundity.

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  by Stableboy on December 30th, 2006

• Yeah, I guess you're right Castrate. I mean, activism has never done any good in the past right? African Americans didn't really NEED freedom anyway. Women? Who cares if they can't vote?
  pssht.

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  by Fisherofman on January 3rd, 2007

• No, you can change things, without marching in the streets, with little signs, that say annoying things, while yelling, and being obnoxious in front of those, who don't give a crap. And you're making them listen to your ranting and raving, when they may not want to hear about your problems. Just please try and go through the courts instead. It's much more quiet, and it helps to cut down on riots in the streets. That's how I think you should try and get your way. And I would respect you for that, much more.

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  by Castrate on January 4th, 2007

• Hey Fisherofman, blessings thinks you guys march naked in the streets during your parades. I'dve thought that was a little too gauche. Tight shirts and drag queens, but nekkidity? Say it ain't so!

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  by eternal0void on January 6th, 2007

• Yeah I think Castrate and I have different definitions of the word activist.
  Activist, N, an individual who is extensively and vigorously involved in political activity, either within or outside the governmental system.
  I don't march in the streets, but I am starting an Alternative Newspaper at my school and I'm also active in Amnesty International.
  Also,I can't really go through the courts because I'm 16.
  eternal, "you guys"?

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  by Fisherofman on January 6th, 2007

• Well you have my vote for "most enlightened 16-year old I know". Your peers will mostly catch up in their mid-30's, meanwhile don't expect much sympathy from some of them.

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  by Stableboy on January 6th, 2007

• I have a question...Why didn't you say that before, back when I said, "If you're one of those people I would find out in the street holding a sign saying, "give gay peoples more rights!" with pretty little rainbows on it, then I would be pissed"? If you had just told me then that you're not one of those kind of activists, than I would have said I'm sorry, and been on my merry way...Well, now that I know...Sorry I ever said anything. Forgive?

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  by Castrate on January 6th, 2007

• No apologies are needed really.
  The only kind of street-marching activists we have in Mississippi are extremely conservative. Holding signs that say "God Hates Fags" and stuff like that. It's really depressing.
  
  So we have a ego-feeding war on now aye Stableboy? Well, we'll see about that!

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  by Fisherofman on January 6th, 2007

• I say we need to bring down the Westboro baptist, they're spreading such hate

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  by DiSTurBiA on January 25th, 2008

• Frankly I think that Fred Phelps and his Westboro Baptist Church do so much good for homosexuals (and everyone else he hates) that they really need to be allowed to spread their message around the world. "What good?" you say? The good of making ALL anti-homosexual statements inextricably linked to Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church. If someone spews anti-homosexual statements, that person will be linked by everyone in the world to Fred Phelps, and he is not someone you want inextricably linked to you and your social agenda. I've been to Topeka, KS, and even *conservative* Topeka churches think very carefully about what they say about homosexuals, to avoid being tarred with the same brush as Fred Phelps. "Local Southern Baptist Church Lends Support To Fred Phelps," the headline would read, and they simply do not want that kind of negative publicity.

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  by eternal0void on January 26th, 2008

• "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." (Anonymous)

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  by eternal0void on January 26th, 2008

• The Westboroists make it somewhat shitty to be from Kansas.
  
  Anyway, I love gay people and I myself am very bicurious, and what is FUCKING HILARIOUS is that I used to be homo-phobic.
  
  Go figure... the thing I am afraid of is really the thing that has challenged me most.

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  by Frank Further on September 9th, 2008

• will you shut up Mr. Paul, do you not know that God loves everyone whoever they are?

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  by QueenR eats the Terminator for breakfast on October 11th, 2008

• Paul is hardly someone to go to for rational advice about sex. Paul believes that *heterosexual* sex (let alone homosexual sex) is bad because you, however briefly, must take your mind off God while you are courting and having sex with your opposite-gender partner. Paul felt that any act which distracted you away from worshiping God was a terrible act. The fact that Paul's ideals would result in the extinction of humanity was somewhat irrelevant to Paul.
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  1 Corinthians 7:1,32-35

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  by eternal0void on October 11th, 2008

• 1 Corinthians 1:25 "For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength!"
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  This verse is silly, as the Bible itself shows that 1 Corinthians 1:25 isn't true.
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  Foolishness of God: God thinks a house can catch leprosy (Leviticus 14:33-57). Much more foolish than man's wisdom.
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  Weakness of God: When Jacob was beating God in a wrestling match (God's strength *and* weakness being weaker than Man's Strength), God tried to /cheat/ by magically breaking Jacob's thigh, but Jacob still won (God's moral weakness being weaker than man's strength). Genesis 32:24-30.
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  God begging for mercy from Jacob, Genesis 32:26, as God's strength was weaker than Jacob's (man's) strength: "And [God] said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And [Jacob] said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me."

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  by eternal0void on October 11th, 2008

• good points eternal0void. Paul, yeah I agree wit QueenR....shut up. Ur foot is so far in your mouth, you're picking at what scrap, of crap that is you're brain.

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  by DiSTurBiA on October 11th, 2008

• Haha, you guys are like animals the way you attack Paul like that. If you guys think telling somebody to shut up for having a different opinion than you on homosexuality, is going to accomplish anything, then you're more childish than I thought.

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  by Castrate on October 11th, 2008

• Well I feel that he is trying to ake us think the same way as him. That's why I attack him! :p

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  by QueenR eats the Terminator for breakfast on October 12th, 2008

• agreed Queen.

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  by DiSTurBiA on October 12th, 2008

• "Well I feel that he is trying to ake us think the same way as him." Isn't that what you're all doing? You're all asking, nay, demanding that people respect homosexuals and their actions, while ignoring that people should be allowed to have different world views than you on that issue. By the way, even if that weren't the case, responding to him by doing the exact same thing followed by telling him to shut up, is NOT the mature way to handle it. You will never accomplish anything by doing that.

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  by Castrate on October 12th, 2008

• Who said I was mature? woof!

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  by QueenR eats the Terminator for breakfast on October 12th, 2008

• Well then, why argue with me in the first place, if you agreed with my original synopses, which was that you guys were being immature?

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  by Castrate on October 12th, 2008

• I like to argue with people.

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  by QueenR eats the Terminator for breakfast on October 12th, 2008

• I see...

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  by Castrate on October 12th, 2008

• :)

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  by QueenR eats the Terminator for breakfast on October 13th, 2008

• Oh, people can have ignorant and stupid opinions if they want. We're here to point out just how ignorant and stupid anti-homosexuals really are, and if no one tells you just how stupid your opinions are, you might start thinking you're smart. We're not telling you to shut up, we're just saying that smart people don't say those kinds of things.
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  Castrate: "Haha, you guys are like animals the way you attack Paul like that. If you guys think telling somebody to shut up for having a different opinion than you on homosexuality, is going to accomplish anything, then you're more childish than I thought."
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  Castrate, Paul of Tarsus has been DEAD for about 1,948 YEARS. The fact that you think its necessary to tell a *DEAD GUY* to "shut up" really underlines the stupidity of the anti-homosexual crowd.
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  Paul just needs to be revealed for the crude little prude that he was.

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  by eternal0void on October 16th, 2008

• "We're not telling you to shut up" First off, I love how you make it sound like you're all a single entity. Second, you must be completely delusional. QueenR: "will you shut up Mr. Paul", Disturbia: "Paul, yeah I agree wit QueenR....shut up." "Castrate, Paul of Tarsus has been DEAD for about 1,948 YEARS. The fact that you think its necessary to tell a *DEAD GUY* to "shut up" really underlines the stupidity of the anti-homosexual crowd." What the hell are you on about? Are you being even remotely serious? It appears that the answerbagger's comment that QueenR, Disturbia, and yourself were responding to is gone. However, he had "Paul" in his name, and that is clearly who I and the others were referring to. Please, don't bother even attempting to make a point after spewing out that sewage that you would most likely refer to as a "comment".

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  by Castrate on October 16th, 2008

• So in your own private fantasy universe, there's this imaginary guy named "Paul" who was here, but now he's inexplicably gone, and that is why you claim you weren't referring to Paul of Tarsus, the only Paul actually here in the discussion?
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  Your own self-delusion isn't an argument in your own favor, and certainly not proof that anyone other than yourself is delusional. Nothing is clear here except that the only "Paul" referred to in this discussion so far is Paul of Tarsus, and that you are inventing imaginary friends named "Paul" to try and claim you aren't talking about Paul of Tarsus.
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  I'd ask you to go take your medication before trying to respond, but I'm sure the voices in your head will tell you to ignore what I'm saying and respond anyway, no doubt explaining that "Paul" is now a forty foot dragon hovering over your home.

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  by eternal0void on October 16th, 2008

• "that is why you claim you weren't referring to Paul of Tarsus, the only Paul actually here in the discussion?" Please tell me you're just messing with me... Granted, it's hard to tell sarcasm and the like in a comment thread like this, but I choose to believe that you are not that delusional, but are indeed just trying to annoy me. Even somebody as delusional as you would have to ask yourself what happened between Franks comment, and then QueenR mysteriously telling this invisible Paul person to shut up for saying absolutely nothing...

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  by Castrate on October 16th, 2008

• Well, people should think twice before saying nothing. Is that the saying? Ah well.

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  by QueenR eats the Terminator for breakfast on October 17th, 2008

• ...a fool opens his mouth and removes all doubt.

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  by Mud on January 11th, 2009

• Castrate, you may be used to saying things without proof to your delusional theist buddies, and still be taken seriously, but here in the real world thats just not the case.

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  by eternal0void on January 12th, 2009

• Hahaha, irony... Also, why the delayed reaction? Took you that long to think of a comeback?

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  by Castrate on January 24th, 2009

• Sorry Castrate, I'm not unemployed and living with my parents so I can't be on AB 24/7/365 like you can.

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  by eternal0void on January 24th, 2009

• I haven't been on answerbag for over a 3 weeks... I just got back on to see that you just now responded to my comment. Once again, you have further demonstrated that you live in a fantasy world. I honestly can't say that I've seen a person make as much stuff up as you, in a single sentence... Would you think it be clever and witty of me if I just made false assumptions about you and your position in life as a comeback? Try using your head for once...

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  by Castrate on January 24th, 2009

• Just in case anybody wants to talk about gay rights instead of the compellingly fascinating activity of trading insults:
   
  To defend gay rights is similar to defending any other right: it requires (a) that you be able to tell right from wrong (b) persistence against the various waves of fallacies and prejudices arrayed by the other side (c) the ability to make clear distinctions between rights, privileges, logic, and social conditioning.
   
  Those who oppress gays in the modern world are buried in a deep sea of conditioning -- none of these people thought this stuff up on their own, there was no original or critical thinking going on... the prejudice is passed down from one generation to the next as one of the many group-membership tokens: "you'll belong to the group if you agree with us". That is very tempting to those who have not yet learned to do their own thinking, and it's a compelling reason to stick to one's guns no matter what. That's what we're up against.

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  by HasntBeen on January 25th, 2009

• So if the oppressors seem intransigent, unreasonable, and stubborn, one must make allowances: their identity is at stake. A bit of forgiveness has to be wired in to the conversation to have any chance of making a difference.

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  by HasntBeen on January 25th, 2009

• to hasntbeen: fogiveness and a loooooooong time listning to a repetitive rant waiting for your chance to add to the conversation. props for trying but to be read and to be heard are more difficult with expressionists. they only hear or read what they say or write. I envy your attempt with all honesty but I think these guys are why God disapearred. pointless waiting to speak into the noisy end of a bull horn in use. have you seen the music video by the living end for the song white noise? tells this story. check it out if you get time. basically you cant speak to the def, gets you no-where
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLC1YOaGwRY

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  by Mud on January 26th, 2009

• Well I'm sorry, I don't agree: I have seen people who seemed completely self-absorbed in their obsession with religious self-righteousness come to life with a new appreciation for others. It happens. These people are not completely lost, they're just sort of hypnotized by the narcotic appeal of having simplistic answers and the warm fuzz of group membership. But they're still human beings, and I'm not going to claim that they're fundamentally different than myself -- we're all prone to getting addicted to beliefs and using them to punish others. They're not an alien life form, they're humans subject to human failings.

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  by HasntBeen on January 26th, 2009

• your a better man than me, if they choose that then I choose to pass. see ya around AB

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  by Mud on January 27th, 2009

• HasnBeen its common sense you fool. Dont play with germs, bet you wash your hands after using the loo??

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  by Charmaine Jay on January 28th, 2009

• The name is "HasntBeen". There should be a comma before "you fool", an apostrophe in "Don't". "bet" is missing a subject, which makes the phrase following it ambiguous. Finally, the statement itself draws false conclusions.
   
  If one can combine inattention, poor writing, poor punctuation, poor thinking, and a bigoted attitude in a single brief comment, I believe that deserves some kind of award. I'll see what I can dig up for you.

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  by HasntBeen on January 28th, 2009

• alright, now Im laughing so hard it hurts

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  by Mud on January 28th, 2009

• Hasbeen You are speaking into the air dear if what you actually write is not understandable. you are a perfect example of someone who thinks they know all when infact they know nothing ( can you understand that!)

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  by Charmaine Jay on February 15th, 2009

• I'm sorry you can't understand. Which word was too big? 'Apostrophe'? 'bigoted'? 'inattention'?

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  by HasntBeen on February 15th, 2009

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• stupid you are stupid

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  by strongARM on January 19th, 2007

• Just because you don't agree with my opinion doesn't mean I'm stupid. That is narrow minded and immature.

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  by singloud43 on January 19th, 2007

• you're a fuckin' moron, accept the world for what it is, and don't call people dumb, how do you like it?
  

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  by sleepy kitty on January 28th, 2007

• gosh don't be so mean about it.Gosh!

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  by Doggylover on January 30th, 2007

• strongarm, why is singloud stupid? Nothing in her or his comment seems stupid. Explain why it is!

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  by Engeltje on April 1st, 2007

• you call it love, well i think there are much better ways of showing you love someone than exposing them to the aids virus.

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  by Charmaine Jay on April 26th, 2007

• Just because they're gay doesn't mean they have aids. The people that pass it on just like the guys that pass on STDs to there straight partner don't care, but that's a minority category. Also, there is every possibility that your partner could expose you to aids, you just never know.

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  by singloud43 on April 26th, 2007

• CJ: It would seem that there is NO LOVE in you at all. Did Christ go around condemning everyone? No, He spent much of His time with people that were the equivalent of our aids victims today: the leper, and the hoar, and the demon possessed and the beggar and on and on. You are so lucky that He will not judge you the way you judge others. Typical J.W. response, hate everyone into the kingdom.

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  by Abbyguy on April 26th, 2007

• singloud43: As A.R. said above, most aids victims get it from hetrosexual sex, it is the major way to get it not the minor way as you stated.

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  by Abbyguy on April 26th, 2007

• Abbyguy, you misunderstood what I was trying to say. Yes, hetrosexual sex is the major way to get it. What I'm trying to say though is that like passing on STDs, a minority of people pass AIDs on to there partner. Most if they know they have it will make sure they don't pass it on. What I'm trying to say is it's stereotyping to say that just heterosexuals pass on AIDS. It can be spread through blood and other things also.

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  by singloud43 on April 26th, 2007

• Hey they've changed the comment box- don't like it because now I can't see what you all have written before me :((
  Abbyguy, you are showing much love, something that CJ needs to aquire. CJ you can't expect from someone who happens to be gay to lead a lonely life because people like you condemn homosexuality. Many gays (men and women) lead very happy lives together just like heterosexual couples. It is a shame they don't have the same rights apart from some countries.

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  by Engeltje on April 26th, 2007

• yeah

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  by Kanak on May 23rd, 2007

• IT'S YOUR CHOICE WHAT U DO. IT'S BETWEEN U AND GOD

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  by TISHA30 on February 24th, 2009

• gay sex is more fun anyways

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  by sleepy kitty on February 26th, 2009

• You may not can help who you love, but you have a mind to control what you do with those that you love.

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  by Geosomething on March 12th, 2009

• of course, and i like to get big cocks in mah ass

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  by sleepy kitty on March 12th, 2009

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• I see some HUGE BASTARD rated down all answers to this question. Everyone here gets a good rating to make up for that bastard.

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  by travis bickle on November 11th, 2006

• You're awesome.

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  by Jodie44 on November 11th, 2006

• It bugs me when people rate down opinion answers.

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  by Fisherofman on November 13th, 2006

• Me, too. I make it policy to never downrate an answer. I mean, its their opinion, even if in my opinion it sucks.

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  by Aelfward on January 9th, 2007

• Shall we then, darling?

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  by travis bickle on May 22nd, 2007

• Anthony's PISSED.

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  by Jodie44 on May 22nd, 2007

• Trebor, do you mind if Anthony joins us? (The advertisement to the right just makes this feel strange ...)

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  by travis bickle on May 22nd, 2007

• My brother was gay and he ended up getting aids. Later he died of cancer from the aids. As far as I am concerned, being gay is not normal and is not in God's law. Men and women are meant to be together, not man & man, nor women & women. I will be nice to gay people, but I don't believe in it at all.

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  by Bonnie on January 26th, 2009

• not God's law ? hmm, Except that the first account of homosexuality is in the Bible! When Noah was raped by his own son.

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  by poppydrops on April 18th, 2009

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• Interesting point. Can't say I've ever heard it expressed that way, but it makes an odd sort of sense.

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  by Stableboy on November 12th, 2006

• but then what about old people having sex, or ugly people having sex, or, or, or...
  
  I mean really, at some point you just have to recognize that someone's right to choose their consenting adult sexual partner does not have anything to do with whether or not the image of their having sex is considered a pleasant one by Joe Schmo or whomever.
  
  Really, when a male friend is revealed to be straight, do you immediately picture him humping some chick? Probably not. So why should someone immediately picture the 'sex' part when finding out a guy is gay? It almost begs the question "why is _______ so apt to jump right to a mental image of gay sex?" kwim?

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  by Jessicax23 on December 20th, 2006

• yer, this is a fairly reasonable explaination that i have never heard at all. but i do agree, it makes sense. then again if they did not find heterosexual intercourse "gross" or "icky" and they still had a problem with homosexuality... then it would be called for another explaination... interesting al the same though.

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  by lanagirl on December 23rd, 2006

• I actually DO get a bit grossed out when I see an ugly couple and have the thought "glad I'm not a fly on the wall in THAT bedroom". I think these should be restricted to civil unions so they don't soil the rich tradition of beautiful brides and handsome grooms which is a defining characteristic of our culture.

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  by Stableboy on December 31st, 2006

• courageous comment, stableboy - and SO true. don't forget that in order to qualify for the privilege of state-approved marriage, they ought to both be blond, with blue eyes, and a strong jaw. then if the "civil union only" folks ever luck into having a pretty blond child, we could adopt them into a "true state marriage" family, just like the Lebensborn. it's the natural next step. yes, these social stigma thingies a GREAT basis for legislation. kudos to you for taking such a brave stand against the PC allies! hehehe

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  by Jessicax23 on December 31st, 2006

• Well since you liked that one, I also have some ideas about the best ways to march in columns. The heels should be lifted high with the leg straight, and then brought down sharply like the way a goose steps...

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  by Stableboy on December 31st, 2006

• I don't know that I really care so much, because I mean, you're walking your walk and I'm walking mine, you know? But the image of straight sex does kinda gross me out.

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  by Anonymous on January 3rd, 2007

• Stableboy, I agree with you about marching in columns. But some people today think it's ok to bend the knees a bit. I personally have no problem with that, but where do we draw the line? next thing you know they'll be skipping or, God forbid, promenading. And that's just sick.
  

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  by branciforte3241 on January 28th, 2007

• I rated this answer up because it was so very refreshing. If something makes you feel icky, then it makes you feel icky. The only real problem is when people pass laws because they feel icky.

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  by branciforte3241 on January 28th, 2007

• There are plenty of heterosexual people out there having anal sex too, if that's what you're referring to. If you find the idea of act itself icky, that's up to you, but don't think it's just gay men who do it!

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  by weezypops on March 29th, 2007

• Have you heard of fisting, this is common practice amongst homosexual men, this is dangerous and twisted unnatural, like homosexuality.

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  by Charmaine Jay on April 24th, 2007

• Again, straight people do it too. It's not something that appeals to me and doesn't sound particularly pleasant, but it's not just gay men who do it. Likewise, calling it 'common practice' is just untrue.

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  by weezypops on April 25th, 2007

• I think someone might be surpressing some gay tendencies? No other reason for such hateful comments.

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  by FreeSpirit on April 25th, 2007

• Straight couples engage in anal sex. In fact more straight couples are having anal sex w/ the woman wearing a dildo and penetrating the man. So anal sex is NOT limited to gays.

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  by astarte59 on May 3rd, 2007

• Yes but that is also as unnatural as 2 homosexual guys doing it, its an exit not an entrance. A NO GO area ,is like eating our dinner off the dustbin lid, common sense tells anyone with half a brain that its a dirty practice and only used for waste products not pleasure, what next the ear hole or nose hole???? but at least its cleaner.

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  by Charmaine Jay on May 4th, 2007

• Common sense is a good guide to some things, but if we relied on it for everything we'd never have developed any of the innovations in the modern world. In addition, what you're calling "unnatural" is really just your own conditioning speaking. Any time something is inconsistent with our conditioning, it "feels unnatural". This is a very poor basis for evaluating the moral or ethical status of something. And your comment about "anyone with half a brain" is a desperation move -- trying to insult anyone who disagrees with you and shame them into silence. It won't work, because it's obvious to those with half a brain that you're simply playing old tapes you started learning in childhood. You're not actually doing any critical thinking. But you don't really understand what I'm saying anyway, so this comment is really for the benefit of others.

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  by Stableboy on May 4th, 2007

• No common sense, think of some of the commo sense things you do everyday, things that if you didn't do could mean your life, well many many homosexual men contract aids every year from not using common sense and so do prostitutes and other people who throw caution to the wind and leave common sense in a part of the brain that only comes to the fore when all else is lost.

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  by Charmaine Jay on May 4th, 2007

• Charmaine Jay. I presume that in your May 4 comment you are referring to anal intercourse. News flash for you, Sweetie. Heterosexuals engage in that activity also as a means of birth control and because some think it's "tighter." There's also a little activity called douching beforehand that helps.

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  by Anonymous on May 17th, 2007

• Great answer.

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  by paranoia is just fine on November 5th, 2007

• Charmaine WTF!! is your problem! you really are one sick puppy

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  by DiSTurBiA on January 25th, 2008

• Wow, Cavallerizza, that's actually a really awesome view.
  
  I don't think it's really offensive to say that the act of gay sex disgusts you, since it's my general experience that most gay guys or lesbian women are disgusted by heterosexual sex.

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  by LordRahlsFavorite on February 3rd, 2008

• Im not disgusted by hetero sex, I dont do it obviously, but it doesnt disgusts me

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  by DiSTurBiA on February 3rd, 2008

• Hence why I said most ;)
  I am equally not disgusted by sex with men or with women as it applies to me, though honestly, the thought of any two other people having sex is a little disgusting, I just don't want to think about ANYONE else having sex. I don't care that they do, it's just not a pleasant thought to me. Except maybe if it was like, my girlfriend and Angelina Jolie or something, but, yeah...

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  by LordRahlsFavorite on February 3rd, 2008

• hahahahahahahaha

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  by DiSTurBiA on February 3rd, 2008

• I think that this is a very wise answer. As a gay man, I assume that I feel the same discomfort with the idea of straight sex and most straight men feel with the idea of gay sex. People do mistake this unease for a feeling of hatred and then they convince themselves that they don't like gay people based on that discomfort. Well said, cavallerizza.

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  by shayalon on May 9th, 2008

• eh, sex is sex to me, Im neither grossed out, nor thrilled watching it.

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  by DiSTurBiA on May 9th, 2008

• hahahaha cavallerizza....my best friend who is gay gets weirded out all the time when I talk about straight sex. He says he can't understand what the attraction to the boob is, and how they're just funny looking sacks. To go further, he shudders everytime he thinks about a vagina. It's sort of priceless, in the sense that he can show me the other side of the coin.

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  by A_less_morbid_marla_ on November 5th, 2008

• I actually find straight sex gross :). I mean it's just...bleh. lol.

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  by hent25j on March 2nd, 2010

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• i know, but it still beats whatever else is out there.

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  by Anonymous on November 12th, 2006

• Auntie M. i understand your comment, but what about future generations, if males marry males and females marry females. how do newborns fit into this picture. who would have them?

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  by Anonymous on November 12th, 2006

• John, I know a lesbian couple who had a daughter via invitro fertilization. They picked a father (sperm donor), met with him and everything. If I recall correctly, the sperm donor was also gay.

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  by AntigoneRising on November 12th, 2006

• Yeah, there are actually psychological studies which show the opposite, kids actually doing BETTER with lesbian/gay parents.

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  by Fisherofman on November 13th, 2006

• how do you explain to a child why they do not have a female mother and a male father? and, how would you explain where babies come from?

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  by Anonymous on November 13th, 2006

• I am straight and I don't intend on ever telling my child anything but the truth about where babies come from. I don't want to be a hypocrite when I discourage lying. Uh...and she does have a female mother...TWO of them.

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  by AntigoneRising on November 14th, 2006

• Are same-sex parents any worse than single parents? I had no father and I know I am far from the only person raised by a single parent. Is that immoral?
  That said, I respect your viewpoint and rated it up for it's rationality.

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  by 8 Jan 2004-10 Dec 2009 on November 18th, 2006

• John: I fail to see how telling the truth to children of gay couples is not an option in your opinion. Biology doesn't change depending on who raises them. I am adopted and my parents were straight forward with me about it from the get go. I had no trouble understanding that my father's seed did not impregnate my mother's ovum and that I did not come from her womb. And I certainly didn't have any trouble realizing that I was their child and always would be and we loved each other as such and always would. How is this any different? Also, do you really think that heterosexuality will somehow die out if gay marriage is present in a society? If that were only the case! Wait, no! What am I saying? Gays like me have enough trouble finding decent men to date without all of your soon-to-be-converted competition! LOL I will support, with my last breath, your right to an opinion. But I will also strive as long to help enlighten you to see the truth in the world around you.

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  by teknimage on December 4th, 2006

• Voltaire, "I may not agree with a word you say, but I will defend to my death your right to say it." Good response teknimage.

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  by AntigoneRising on December 4th, 2006

• I may not entirely agree with you but I see your point.

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  by Darkling on December 9th, 2006

• "i love my wife" was completely unnecesarry, no one's questioning your love. no one expects gays to populate the earth, but as it is, our billions of people in the world now all ready hits "too much" and we can spare a few couples. who's to say 2 men or 2 women can't function as a mother and father. the gender does not matter, only the affection, comfrot, care and support, and gays are just ascapable as anyone else

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  by seaofgrass on December 10th, 2006

• It's still nice to know that he loves his wife!

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  by Anonymous on December 13th, 2006

• So let me get something else straight (sorry!) in my head. If "Sexual preference is a persons own individual choice", does that mean you consciously weighed the options and chose to be straight at one point in your life? I don't understand. Have you expressed this view to your "friends who are gay"? I bet they'd LOVE to discuss just what kind of "choice" they made. I'd also bet that you'd be surprised it's not the one you think they made. Homosexuality is not a preference, nor is it a choice. The only choice is to accept that one is or is not. The only preference is that one prefers to live openly or closeted. Both have risk attached to them, but doesn't all life?
  

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  by teknimage on December 13th, 2006

• Hey I don't really know why he said he loved his wife either, but that's cool.

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  by thefunkyone on December 28th, 2006

• I think I want to be ostracized from society! That sounds like an excellent choice! Durrr.
  By the way, language is not made my God directly, it was something that humans created through their need to express themselves. Bad comparison!
  Also, maybe God (I don't believe in God, but I'm humoring you) intended for homosexuals to ensure that our populations didn't get out of control, or that the irresponsible heterosexuals' children that are neglected could have a place to be supported.
  As for your "a child needs a mother and father" is so ridiculously outdated. Men are just as good at expressive tasks as women, and women are just as good at instrumental tasks. You need to get back to the 1950s because that is such a functionalist view.
  A person's gender has NO reflection on how good of a parent they can be. I personally plan to be an excellent mother-like figure because I have such a nature.
  You need to broaden your mind, even in the scopes of religion. And form your own logical opinions.

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  by Dracujesus on February 15th, 2007

• Everyones choices effect someone, we can't be selfish with our choices, we need to think of how they effect others a prisoner chooses to sell his blood for 2 dollers, not thinking about all the disease he will spread by his selfish act, others do suffer for what we selfishly do, it has a knock on effect, so we must think carefully what we do and think of its effects on innocent people, how we live does matter and its not totally our choice, well not if we care for others on this planet!

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  by Charmaine Jay on April 26th, 2007

• I can't say I've seen a good answer yet. Exactly how do homosexuals affect the lives of innocents? I'd really love to see some specific evidence documented somewhere besides the bible.

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  by Darkling on April 26th, 2007

• Not sure what is meant by "how do homosexuals affect the lives of innocents".
  I don't want to assume anything here...but you surely can't be equating homosexuality with pedophilia? (If I misunderstood your comment, I apologise).
  
  There are male pedophiles who prefer boys, and female pedophiles who prefer girls. They are not necessarily homosexual... most pedophiles are heterosexual. This is about sexual exploitation of children (a power play), not sexual orientation.
  Pedophilia, in my opinion, is at best a social/personality disorder. Homosexuality isn't.

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  by suzycue on May 23rd, 2007

• Suzycue, is your comment in response to mine? If so, I asked that question because Charmaine Jay said, "...we must think carefully what we do and think of its [sic] effects on innocent people..."
  I want to know precisely how she thinks homosexuality affects innocent people.
  I'm not sure who she defines "innocents" as but I don't believe that the topic of pedophilia has been broached yet.

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  by Darkling on May 23rd, 2007

• "We would not be here today" I call BS no gay person would want everybody in the world to be gay like some people want everybody to be straight, gays are actually quite OK with people reproducing. It's not the "End of mankind" It's a the tolerance of the FACT that people are different.

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  by Mini_kilt on June 20th, 2007

• And for reference sake, I have 2 moms and was NEVER confused about where babies came from, or about how loving adults like to be together (regardless of gender).

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  by Mini_kilt on June 20th, 2007

• It's called Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

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  by duuhhh on February 15th, 2008

• Good one. Thanks for bringing something to the table </SARCASM>

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  by Mini_kilt on February 15th, 2008

• Yeah, well, there are myths about homosexuality, too. Adam and Eve is just one of many myths.

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  by AntigoneRising on February 15th, 2008

• Here is my question on that; who says it was two guys? How do we know it wasn't Lilith and Eve?

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  by 8 Jan 2004-10 Dec 2009 on February 15th, 2008

• Well, should we prevent elderly people from marrying too? should we say well you have to marry to have children? I don't think so that would be a grossly disliked proposal.I think that children can be raised totally find by gay parents. A good friend of mine has two lesbian mothers and he turned out totally fine. He has morals and cares about other people. He is far better than some other people I know who had straight parents, one of which who was born into one of the sweetest families ever. It depends on the people just as it does with straight marriages. My friend has two older twin sisters who go to a really good private school and love sports and live healthy lives. I think there is nothing wrong with being gay at all. I have many family and friends who are. Everyone has the right to be themselves. I believe in Gay marriage, I think its totally fine. Considering the way people treat straight marriage honestly its unfair that they have the chance to abuse that privilege.

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  by italiagirl on July 3rd, 2008

• I agree, people are always saying 'a kid needs a mother and father', this isn't the 1950's, familys are different today, as long as the parents love the child and (as you said) have morals and values, who are we to judge?

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  by lizardqueen on August 4th, 2008

• I agree with u .

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  by sunflower on November 25th, 2008

• What you define as moral values? where do you draw the line, if this goes on eventually phedophiles will be asking for equal rights where does it all end. A child thrives when it has 2 parents one a dad and the other a mother. why do you think society is falling apart you plonka.

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  by Charmaine Jay on January 21st, 2009

• There is no evidence to suggest a Man and a Woman raise a more stable child than a homosexual couple. The factors include stability, morality and responsibility, NOT gender and there is not a single reputable study done to suggest otherwise.

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  by Mini_kilt on January 21st, 2009

• I guess you might be gay?

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  by Charmaine Jay on January 21st, 2009

• I'm a straight Woman, happily married and having babies with a straight man.

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  by Mini_kilt on January 21st, 2009

• "eventually phedophiles will be asking for equal rights" They already are asking, and they already have them in many countries. In Iran, a girl is of legal marriage age at 9. The difference here is that a pedophilic relationship violates the rights of the child (right to privacy/body, right to choose), and minors are not of legally consenting age and cannot independently enter into legally binding contracts. Get real and get rid of the red herring arguments. It makes you sound logically unhinged. BTW, the Bible in which you place so much emphasis supports selling your daughter into sexual slavery and pedophilia (under the guise of marriage) in the very chapter that it first mentions homosexuality. Yahweh and Moses later command Israeli soldiers to keep the young virgin girls for themselves.

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  by AntigoneRising on January 22nd, 2009

• like i said where does society draw the line. would you be happy living next door to a phedophile, if you had young children? or would it be a case of live and let live?

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  by Charmaine Jay on January 28th, 2009

• Consenting Adults. That's a pretty easy to see line to me!

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  by Mini_kilt on January 29th, 2009

• so to you anything goes baced on the age of the individual.

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  by Charmaine Jay on February 15th, 2009

• i can't believe you are comparing gay rights with pedophiles rights!! one has NOTHING to do with the other. OPEN YOUR MIND!!!

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  by lizardqueen on March 28th, 2009

• Both practice something against nature. Unless the line is drawn and minds are stopped from opening to wide things will go from bad to worse just as they are actually going now. Open your mind and think of the machanic of homosexuality it is unbelievable and unnatural messing around with nature then nature fights back.. Aids is just one problem that comes from messing with nature i think Aids is the tip of the iceberg. There must be limits pedophiles will argue their case and they see no wrong it what they are doing they believe that and just because they believe that doesn't make it right and just because many practice it doesn't make it right. Close the flood gates before its to late!!

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  by Charmaine Jay on April 1st, 2009

• Ask Seinfeld..!!

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  by Lauralaw on April 12th, 2009

• Where in the world did/could you find the facts to compare gay right issues to pedophiles? We could debate all day long about right and wrong-do murders think murder is wrong? Do spouse abusers think its wrong? Do those who rape think it's wrong? Get the point? Where is the justice in judgeing others? I just have one more thing to say "EDUCATION"
  
  "Ignorance Breeds Fear"

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  by CherryBomb on April 21st, 2009

• Well said Cherrybomb......bottom line, IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO BE GAY, IT IS HOWEVER NOT ONLY ILLEGAL BUT VILE AS WELL, TO RAPE CHILDREN
  EFFECTING THE VICTIM FOR LIFE! So yes theres a huge difference

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  by lizardqueen on May 3rd, 2009

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• just because its the norm doesnt make it right, phedophelia is on the increase but it doesnt make it right. Whats dirty is dirty what clean is clean and no ammount of people can change that e coli is ecoli and it always will be.

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  by Charmaine Jay on February 15th, 2009

• Do you know we need e coli to live. You are entitled to your opinion, but I never spoke about norms. That's because normal is always relative to society. There was a time when it was normal to do many things that most people would not do today.

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  by Namaste formerly future_health_educator on February 15th, 2009

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• I whole heartedly agree! What 2 consenting adults do in private is their own business, and everyone else needs to stay the heck out of it. Too many people are too worried about what everyone else is doing instead of paying attention to what they are doing themselves.
  What difference does it make what someone else does anyway? If you are that interested - go rent some porn.

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  by delaney55 on May 28th, 2008

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• To each his own. That's one of my favorite sayings :)

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  by Fisherofman on November 13th, 2006

• Each one to his own. thats what you believe yes? well where do you draw the line? what if a phedophile says he is entitiled to do as he wishes he has the gift of free will?? i think unnatural desire is unnatural desire, man with man woman with woman or man with child its all the same.

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  by Charmaine Jay on January 21st, 2009

• I'm sorry, but free will has nothing to do with me being gay. Sexual orientation isn't a choice, unless you're bisexual.

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  by EverVigil on March 13th, 2010

• I beg to differ with you, I have made the concious choice to be straight, because I have assesed that I am not attracted to those of my own gender, quite frankly I'm more attracted to the opposite by choice because I know what I like and what I don't like, I understand why I am attracted to women and not men, because men are ugly and they smell, but some homosexuals are attracted to ugly smelly dudes, but hey, if that's there choice, who am I to tell them that it's wrong?
  
  I believe that certain factors are involved when a child matures and discovers their sexual nature, and they make a concious choice of what they are attracted to. If it's sugary sweet women, or smelly stinky dudes, or perhaps your into animals, hey some people are. In our perception it may not seem right but to another person it's practically normal to them. So long as expressing your free will doesn't harm another and your partner is a consenting adult, I cannot condem you.
  
  However in the subject of a child, a child is innocent, and is in the process of exploring their sexual nature on their own terms... I personally feel that a mature adult who takes advantage of a child who has yet to discover who they are is in contempt of corrupting that child into a life style that is not of their choosing and is an infringement upon their free will to decide for themselves their sexual orientation.
  
  I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but this is just my logical view of the subject matter at hand.

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  by Sunblynd 5.0 on March 14th, 2010

• Edited: I misread your answer.
  
  So for you, attraction is a conscious choice?

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  by EverVigil on March 19th, 2010

• Yes, but a choice developed over time.

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  by Sunblynd 5.0 on March 20th, 2010

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• I am :)

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  by DiSTurBiA on January 25th, 2008

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• According to your own conscience. Key phrase.

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  by Singingismystyle on January 19th, 2007

• so its ok to do anything as long as its not against your concience thats what you said, well i totally disagree where do you draw the line? do you have a line? you say a persons concience is his guide well phedophiles think its ok to abuse little children if its ok with their concience does that make it right?. well its not ok. you planka.

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  by Charmaine Jay on January 21st, 2009

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• Think carefully about your response. you say EVERYONE is entitled to do their own thing. Think for a moment imagine you have 2 small children and a phedophile is moving in next door. now do you think he is entitled to do his own thing?? would you leave him alone to get on with his own way of life not even watching your kids from the kitchen window when they played in the back garden?? well that is what you are in effect saying. well my question is where do you draw the line. unnatural desires are unnatural desires no matter how pretty the wrapping or how many people to to accept it.

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  by Charmaine Jay on January 21st, 2009

• Charmaine,
  why is everything you answer to have to do with pedophiles. We are talking about being gay with consenting adults. Not all straight people are angels you know. What about all the families that are living in fear of the man of the house coming home and bashing them up, or mum drinking to much and are scared to even bring home friends to meet the family.
  
  I have a lot of straight friends and I love them all, but I also love my girlfriend who makes me feel safe, and helped to build a wonderful life I live today. So if you have a problem with gays that's fine but answer you questions with a reason you don't like us not a reason you don't like pedophiles as they are two completely different members of society.

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  by Anonymous on March 9th, 2009

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• Are you talking about me?

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  by JUSTNORMAL on November 11th, 2006

• OK then please explain to me, if a stranger on the Internet is gay, what business IS IT of mine or anyone elses? It does not impact my life. They shared it, I had no problem with it. Im not judging sexual preferences, to each his own.

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  by JUSTNORMAL on November 12th, 2006

• Ohh Im sorry Auntie, I must have misread it. Will you ever forgive me? xxoo

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  by JUSTNORMAL on November 12th, 2006

• LOL funny! I love missunderstanding, when I'm not involved! Justnormal, I AGREE WITH YOUR STATEMENT! And along with Auntie Em I applaud you!

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  by Miyaku on January 6th, 2007

• Thanks Miyaku )

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  by JUSTNORMAL on January 13th, 2007

• justnormal you say you have no problem with anyones sexual orientation what about phedophiles. I class homos and them in the same pot.

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  by Charmaine Jay on January 21st, 2009

• Charmaine,
  
  you are so naive, just because people are gay doesn't mean they are pedophiles, so they are not in the same pot as you put it. Pedophiles prey on young children who are not consenting adults for sex. Gay sex is between consenting adults, who happen to find the same sex person attractive.

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  by Anonymous on March 9th, 2009

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• thanks for the comment, and its obvious the reason that your ok with the women kissing is because it turns you on

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  by snakesncrocks on November 11th, 2006

• ChrisDG: LMAO I never heard that gay people were stereotypically good dancers! But hey, why not?

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  by teknimage on December 4th, 2006

• I don't know about women, but the gay male friends I have are excellent dancers. Better, I can dance with them as much as I like without them thinking it is leading to something else.

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  by AntigoneRising on December 4th, 2006

• I know one gay guy who is a terrible (if enthusiastic!)dancer!

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  by Anonymous on December 13th, 2006

• I suspect that the concept of two lesbians snogging being enjoyable to men comes from a very basic aspect of the sex drive: "Look at those two, they're so desperate to have sex with a man that, since they have no man, they're practicing with each other so they'll do it right when a man (like me) comes along!" Why the fact that two men kissing means two less men to compete with for the women doesn't occur to straight men, is beyond me.

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  by eternal0void on December 23rd, 2006

• I've no idea why this fact doesn't occur to straight men. It doesn't occur when we see two women ksssing because our brains tend to switch off at this point. :-)

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  by ChrisDG on December 24th, 2006

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• I applaud you for your views and wish you best of luck with your insecurities about offending your gay friends. But, if they are truly your gay friends, then aren't they just your friends who are gay? Would they get offended so easily by you? I think the first and foremost gay right is that no one think of gay people as gay. We're just people.

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  by teknimage on December 4th, 2006

• Well why did God just didnt create two Adams instead of Adam and Eve

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  by strongARM on January 19th, 2007

• Thank you for the comment, teknimage. That's a really great point that you make: that gay people don't necessarily want their sexuality to be their only form of identity. I definitely agree with you.

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  by Anonymous on January 19th, 2007

• i agree with strong. now my point is if you feel insecure about being a homo it must mean you know its wrong. your concience is working overtime trying to tell you to clean up you mind and get a wife and settle down and do normal things be a real man.

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  by Charmaine Jay on January 21st, 2009

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• Ah, the Nordic people! So far ahead in secular humanism and acceptance of all! Yet still naive as to the intolerance that wages yet across the globe! LOL Just kidding! But seriously, I love your views and your countries obvious advances in how you view your fellow man (and woman!), but there are still many places that openly and often disenfranchise people based on ridiculously superficial things, such as race, creed and sexual orientation. We're all slowly creeping towards your enlightenment, but haven't quite arrived as of yet! Thank you for your addition here!

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  by teknimage on December 4th, 2006

• your welcome, I would say I am not naive, just stubborn ... lol ( if I will it, so will it be) ..lol

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  by cami1211 on January 25th, 2007

• I'd love to see Holland

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  by DiSTurBiA on January 25th, 2008

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• Beautiful answer! Said better than mine.

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  by Anonymous on December 29th, 2006

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• Bravo!!!

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  by teknimage on December 4th, 2006

• Seaofgrass, the more of your answers I read, the more I like you. What a great attitude.

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  by Jodie44 on December 11th, 2006

• I think that's fantastic.The world could use more tolerence.Good for you.

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  by EarthAngel on December 20th, 2006

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• I'm stealing the phrase "outspoken anti-dogmatism". It has such irony and bite at the same time!

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  by Stableboy on November 18th, 2006

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• Yup, there is a need to say it. Can we say, "Ted Haggard"? :P

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  by AntigoneRising on December 9th, 2006

• Your posting illustrates that the mind can tangle itself up into all sorts of interesting knots. An anti-gay gay, for example -- chronically trying to cure himself and others because of competition between an unchosen belief and an unchosen orientation. The lack of awareness allows all kinds of strange things to evolve in the chemical soup.

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  by Stableboy on December 24th, 2006

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• 
  while i do not agree with you, i like to see that someone has a difference in opinion even when the majority disagree.

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  by seaofgrass on December 4th, 2006

• Wow. You have answered this in such a wonderfully thoughtful and straight forward (please don't mind the pun) way! While I disagree with your assertion that it is not right to be gay, I understand where you come from with that opinion. I don't share that with you either. But I can tell that you are a person who is filled with love and compassion and no matter what the future holds for you or your sons, I have absolutely no doubt that you shall meet it with the same rational and thoughtful manner which you have answered here. I wish the world were filled with more people like you.

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  by teknimage on December 4th, 2006

• well said teknimage, 's what i was getting at, but in fewer words, hehe

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  by seaofgrass on December 4th, 2006

• Yeah, I one of the loquacious windbaggers!

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  by teknimage on December 4th, 2006

• Try to keep in mind that the assertion that homosexuality is wrong is not my assertion. I may happen to accept it, but I don't make the rules. I just accept them for myself.

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  by Nulinvoid on December 4th, 2006

• "Rules"? Ok, let me leave this one alone! I've already rated you up and I don't want to regret it! LOL

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  by teknimage on December 4th, 2006

• I wish more people reserved their judgement and anguished over the hard questions in life.

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  by Darkling on December 9th, 2006

• teknimage: I make it no secret that I believe in a higher authority than man, and that I accept the Bible as his word. He doesn't force anyone to believe as I do, so niether should I. Yes, I do believe in natural laws. My point was that they are not my laws, and I would rather people not credit me for them, that's all. I don't invade other's homes, organize protests, or otherwise insist that people believe as I do.

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  by Nulinvoid on December 10th, 2006

• True- no one is without sin. I cannot judge anyone either. I try not to. I think that eveyone can do things that they know aren't rational...

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  by thefunkyone on December 28th, 2006

• inherited sin and deliberate sin is a different thing pal.

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  by Charmaine Jay on January 21st, 2009

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• Wow.My first -rating.Why does that sting a little?Hehe.

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  by EarthAngel on December 27th, 2006

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• Derek Jacobi is also gay, and he's my favorite actor (though that isn't why, per se).

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  by LadyDonita on December 28th, 2006

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• Gosh darn trolls... here's a thumbs up for you.

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  by Jenniferocious on December 20th, 2006

• (y) thanks

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  by tigueron on December 20th, 2006

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• Evening TROLL I smell your aroma already, early this evening

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  by Firebrand on January 13th, 2007

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• well, if god created us all to be straight then why is it i gather feelings for other men? something that I cannot controll?

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  by snakesncrocks on November 12th, 2006

• also, auntie em you rock!

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  by snakesncrocks on November 12th, 2006

• I very strongly disagree with your opinion on this matter; however, I'm giving you a useful because it is an opinion question. You have shared yours, and that's what he asked for.

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  by AntigoneRising on November 12th, 2006

• Maybe you can pray for him instead.

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  by SalientAlien on November 17th, 2006

• I find it odd in light of the Catholic clergy's problems molesting altar BOYS, but this is your opinion and just as valid as mine.

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  by 8 Jan 2004-10 Dec 2009 on November 18th, 2006

• So who made Steve?

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  by Anonymous on November 19th, 2006

• Is not part of Christianity, not judging others. By critizing someone for their choices in life, are you not performing an unchristian act!

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  by singloud43 on December 3rd, 2006

• i agree with singloud43.
  a lot of Christians are hypocrites. I learned this too latein life.

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  by callMEdna on December 3rd, 2006

• I do not see how this is an opinion as someone commented. "I know that being gay is wrong"-- was in your answer!! You KNOW?? What source did your "FACT" come from?

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  by Dances.w.scissors on December 3rd, 2006

• "dances w. scissors" i have an answer to your questions. the "Bible" says its wrong to be gay. but the Bible says it's also wrong to work on Sundays, and a lot of people do.

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  by callMEdna on December 3rd, 2006

• the moral of the story is you can not bring religion into sexuality because all you're going to do is contradict yourself.

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  by callMEdna on December 3rd, 2006

• exactly callemdna!

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  by singloud43 on December 3rd, 2006

• The Bible also says that you should marry your virgin daughter to her rapist for 50 shekels. Shellfish is also a no-no.

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  by AntigoneRising on December 4th, 2006

• Wow. How self-righteous is this Haileyjo1230? I think she would do right by herself to read what Odzihozo wrote. Being that you and he are both Christian. Wait. I think he's the Christian. I'm not really sure what you are, no matter what you call yourself. Don't you think that God would be awfully mad at you that you are using His Good Name to preach hatred and discrimination? I'd be fearful for my Eternal Soul, if I were you. Well, if I were a Christian you, that is.

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  by teknimage on December 4th, 2006

• I am christian also, but we are all sinners, there is only one who has the right to judge him, and none of us are him.

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  by WhyamIhere on December 4th, 2006

• thats a shame. youre just increasing the reasons i hate religion. christianity is just a copy of islam, distorted to suit the white population anyway. do you hate other minority groups too? should we send you over to thailand so you can learn buddhism and practise accepting all life? you really need to watch will & grace. go back to mississippi you blindly religious fool.

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  by keetypie1 on December 4th, 2006

• Haileyjo1230, I'm so sorry that you're filled with so much venom for someone you don't even know. I haven't rated you because, even though this is an opinion answer, I can't condone such hate. I hope you find enough peace to live your own life and let others live theirs.

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  by Darkling on December 10th, 2006

• You're crazy! God made adam an eve yes, but he also made gay people. Everyone lives in sin, are you honestly telling me you don't swear, that you go to church EVERY SINGLE SUNDAY, and always feel like going, even when its cold and you're tired?
  
  Jesus taught forgivnes and 'love thy neighbour'
  
  You are the kinda person that gives Christianity a bad name, and looking down at people who 'sin' is just your way of making yourself feel better about your own failings... and it doesn't make you a better christian.
  
  And by the way, i'm Christian, i just don't think it makes me better than anyone else.

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  by HappyJeans on December 10th, 2006

• For the record, I bet God feels sad that we argue about this issue, or any other. I feel sad, too. Jesus was so cool. Look how He treated people that society shunned. He accepted everyone, except the hypocritical "religious" leaders - the Pharisees and Saducees. He was all about love, kindness, and forgiveness, and never turned anyone away.

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  by Jodie44 on December 11th, 2006

• God may have made Adam and Eve, but he made sure there were Adam and Steve pairings in amongst the children. The Bible records Jesus sitting down with anyone despite what they did behind closed doors. Heck, none of the stuff the Bible records Jesus saying, says that homosexuality is wrong. Paul had to reach all the way back to the Old Testament to find intolerance and bigotry.

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  by eternal0void on December 13th, 2006

• As long as you recognize that it's YOUR problem, then no problem. This is something medical science can help with now: it's called prozac.

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  by Stableboy on December 24th, 2006

• often times people who are so negative towards homosexual people are often covering up their own insecurities and/or homophobia.
  
  just a fact. but I won't rate down :D. it your oppinion

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  by Littlemisswallflower on December 25th, 2006

• u kno hailey - we have a lot in common - i also play piano ( grade 5 soon ! ! ) also, ive recently been taken out for home schooling - so you obviously wouldnt necaserrily h8 me for my personality so how can you judge me for my sexuality - if u must know i like men because they can care for you and hug you and look after you) which i personaly feel a women would be incapable of doing to me, maybe you should go say 2 ur parents 4 5 min pretendin ur a lesbion and see(asuming they are also religious like you) how they react - you will find that they dont love you anymore and that you will relise that your personality has nop effect on them - i think that people like you are like planks of wood - exceot with a mind which has been forced and brought up into a world of hatred inwhich it h8s ll the planks of wood that dont like the classic method of using nails - but wana go for glue instead - so next time you see a planc of wood - i hope some one shoves it up your ass and maybe someone

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  by snakesncrocks on December 26th, 2006

• .. .. .. .. can see a light in you - good day - thank you for the answer though - ill rate it up ! !

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  by snakesncrocks on December 26th, 2006

• I wouldn't call gay people disgusting. We are all capeable of committing the same deeds. I'm sure you have done one thing or another that you think is disgusting too.

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  by thefunkyone on December 28th, 2006

• Ho hum, Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Like that one hasn't been said a million times. Did you think you came up with it yourself?

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  by Anonymous on December 29th, 2006

• you're a dick....thats all i gotta say

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  by sleepy kitty on January 11th, 2007

• Strictly speaking Eve was Adam's female CLONE, or TWIN SISTER if you like.
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  And the incest and immorality doesn't end there. Adam and Eve had two incestuous sons, Cain and Abel, and Cain killed Abel, leaving just Adam, Eve, and Cain. Then the Bible records that Adam didn't have another son for 900 years (Seth) and didn't have another daughter (unnamed) until after he had Seth. The Bible does record that Cain *immediately* found a wife and settled down, and had children and grandchildren enough to populate an entire city *during* that 900 year period in which Adam was childless.
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  So Cain found a wife when the only woman on Earth was his mother. Says so right there in the Bible, and thus says something entirely icky about the entire Creation Story: its not just incest, its Cain having procreative sex with his *mother*.
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  Which would you Christians rather be descended from: two monkeys or a brother-murderer and his own mother?
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  by eternal0void on January 27th, 2009

• E0V - We already have our answer. I think the clergy abuse scandal should tell you something about what sort of moral high ground they REALLY hold.
  It's a real shame because there are many decent people who call themselves Christians who blindly play along with the whole incest, murder, genocide, pedophilia, and bigotry thing.

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  by 8 Jan 2004-10 Dec 2009 on January 27th, 2009

• Ewwww on Cain and mommy. But I have heard Bible believers state that God could have created other humans after Adam and Eve, and just not mentioned it. You would think that more creating-humans-from-nothing™ would deserve a footnote at least, but who knows?

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  by HasntBeen on January 28th, 2009

• There was apparently an entire "land of Nod" where Cain settled with his wife. Let's not forget that Yahweh had to mark Cain "so that others might know him", which doesn't make any sense at all if the only others are his family. Seems to me that Yahweh is only the creator of those in the garden, but not of the others in the Land of Nod, which is why it doesn't get a footnote. :)

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  by AntigoneRising on January 28th, 2009

• Nods. Ha! Bet they evolved from apes.

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  by HasntBeen on January 28th, 2009

• So let me get this straight....
  There is this Land of Nod that is only mentioned briefly in much the same manner as a parent telling a bedtime story will amend the tale in order to curtail questions.
  It sounds to me like the Bible was so poorly written that nobody should have ever taken it seriously in the first place! Too many details left out. Too many things left vague and overly open to interpretation. How the HELL can you base a sane, rational religion on that?

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  by 8 Jan 2004-10 Dec 2009 on January 28th, 2009

• • Duct tape logic covers the gaps;
  • Pretzel logic makes the contradictions fit;
  • Look-away logic makes the horrors fade from view;
  • Soft-focus logic makes the sharp edges seem like a special kind of love.
   
  It's all about knowing how to be logical.

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  by HasntBeen on January 28th, 2009

• Jerv, Oh, yeah, the story is nonsensical as hell. Genesis 4:13-14, "Cain said to the LORD, "My punishment is more than I can bear. Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me." Either Cain was deathly afraid that his family (which at this point includes only his parents, as Abel is dead) would forget what he looked like, or there are other people. :) Genesis 4:15, "But the LORD said to him, 'Not so; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over.' Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him." Yahweh Himself is so worried about others killing Cain that He finds it necessary to mark him so that others would know who he is. Note that it appears we are talking about lots of others, not just 2 (his parents).

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  by AntigoneRising on January 29th, 2009

• Genesis 4:16, "So Cain went out from the LORD's presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden." This is interesting, as Cain's ability to leave the "LORD's presence" directly contradicts the idea that Yahweh is omnipresent. It also mentions the wonderful land of Nod. Genesis 4:17, "Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch." Here is the mention of Cain's wife. Either she's one of the people from Nod, or she is Cain's mother, Eve. No other females are mentioned to exist at this time. Adam and Eve don't have children for hundreds more years, and no daughters are mentioned at all until then. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%204:1-20;&version=31; Yes, it boggles the mind that educated, modern people believe this book to be literally true.

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  by AntigoneRising on January 29th, 2009

• HB, you missed "Because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because..." The Bible is true because the Bible says it is true and we can believe the Bible is true because it is the Word of God because it says it is the Word of God and God wouldn't lie because the Bible says that God wouldn't lie and the Bible is true because the Bible says it is true...

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  by AntigoneRising on January 29th, 2009

• Personally whenever I hear that "its Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve", I'm reminded of the fact that Adam's third child was a son, Seth.
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  by eternal0void on February 2nd, 2009

• Well, that makes sense. In the Bible, it is always females who are barren or have reproductive issues. So two men together would form a more perfect zygote!

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  by AntigoneRising on February 2nd, 2009

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• Sweet. I feel the same way about God. I think He's a lot more mature than people think He is.

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  by Jodie44 on December 11th, 2006

• i admire you for being understandng. the only people that ever accuse me of my sexuality, i am gay, are christian, but i od not blame their religion, i just hope they son find themselves in a better state of mind... allowing them to grow, not only in themseleves but in acceptance of thoses around them aswell.

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  by lanagirl on December 23rd, 2006

• You know what- that was the most sensible thing I've ever heard from a Christion- no offense! I'm Christian, too! But some of the people say 'ITS UNNATURAL!" and "YOU GOIN TO HELL YOU GONNA BURN!" I'm glad you said that.

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  by BlakFyr999 on April 9th, 2010

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• Hmmm...I believe the Creator was/is a She. But this is an opinion question, so I'm giving you a helpful.

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  by AntigoneRising on December 4th, 2006

• it doesnt matter what the creator is. the creator is god.
  

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  by woolly1 on December 4th, 2006

• The Creator is Goddess. :)

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  by AntigoneRising on December 4th, 2006

• Umm... You sorta lost me after that first bit. You say "And it is only through imperfection that this world has got to where it is right now". Does this mean that you think God made us perfect? If we were made perfect, how then could we have ever strayed from that straight (sorry for the pun) and narrow? Being perfect and all from the beginning, there would really be no need to think that we weren't still perfect now, would there? If something is perfect, it's perfect. Also, I wonder how you managed to assume that snakesncrocks is Christian in the first place. I'm not saying he isn't, but your whole argument sorta falls apart at the seams if he isn't, you know?

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  by teknimage on December 4th, 2006

• I'm still waiting for someone to square up "God doesn't like homosexuals" with "we can't know what God's True Plan is".

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  by eternal0void on December 13th, 2006

• AntigoneRising: This is completely off subject but I would actually like to know what makes you think that the Creator(God) was/is a she instead of the Creator being a he. While I don't know if God even has a gender, it has generally been accepted among most religions that He would be referred to as a He. What made you choose the opposite?

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  by msummers10 on December 25th, 2006

• well in a way i suppose i agree witb the fact that not everyone should be gay as otherwise - there would be no people, but i naturally i get feelings 4 men which i cant control and also im not particuarly religious ! ! but thank you for the answer though - ill rate it up (even though i dont want to) ! !
  

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  by snakesncrocks on December 26th, 2006

• msummers10: I think she thinks, as do I, that it is silly to claim that someone without a womb can be a Creator. Men don't actually create new life, they merely come from Mothers. Creator Gods are just men being really jealous that they didn't get creation by biology. In fact, if you go back before all the monotheistic religions mucked it up claiming that a Male God can get pregnant, all of your Creator Deities were women. Male Creators, historically speaking, are a recent invention.

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  by eternal0void on December 26th, 2006

• I am not siding with anyone here. Peace is awesome- when everyone can get along and agree that's great. But everyone always hates the people who don't think it's right to be gay. I know when I disagree it is NOT to destroy the peace, it is to say what I believe and simply that. Everyone keeps saying that it's wrong to come down on someone for having a different opinion, but when someone says they don't agree with being gay- everyone seems to think it is wrong that they have an opinion. As long as I or anyone with this same belief as me in not insulting anyone- why is it so wrong that we view things differently?

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  by thefunkyone on December 28th, 2006

• thefunkyone: Unless someone is being rude or harassing someone or downright mean, most here just choose to discuss their views. Sure, things can get heated, but that's half the fun of debate! I don't think very many on here "hate" anyone, let alone those who think it's wrong to be gay. I also don't think that anyone here thinks it's "wrong" to have their opinion. Again, I think that when someone here voices an opinion, it becomes open for debate. That's why this forum exists as it does. Some people here choose to express their views differently, and sometimes they can be quite vehement about what they think and how they say it. The real problem arises when people choose to voice angry or unduly negative responses or cannot seem to back up their views with anything other than these. These people generally get weeded out, because they start to realize that no one takes them too seriously and they've lost whatever audience they hoped for here.

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  by teknimage on December 28th, 2006

• I think some people (like myself) sometimes come off as being hostile, when they don't mean too. I sound hostile when I'm voicing my opinion on something I feel strongly about. Though, some people are just downright mean. I think I sounded a bit rude in my comment to littleknown. I apologize.

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  by FadingxSmiles on January 10th, 2007

• Im atheist

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  by DiSTurBiA on January 25th, 2008

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• Not to be rude, but lesbians ARE homosexuals. Homosexual is the general- anyone gay is homosexual.

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  by Penny The Wise on August 15th, 2007

• Correction made! No offense taken... I am willing to always learn until I can't learn anymore....

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  by NaughtybyNature on August 15th, 2007

• Agreed. Thanks NBN!

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  by Penny The Wise on August 15th, 2007

• And good answer btw!

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  by Penny The Wise on August 15th, 2007

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• That's rancid. Such vile talk makes me SICK.

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  by Inspector Javert on August 9th, 2007

• 1, there's such a thing as adoption. 2, There's such a thing as atrificial inseminitation. 3, If you don't like it, don't do it. Personally I thought that people like you had died out but apparantly I was wrong. I hope you never breed- such hate doesn't belong in this world.

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  by Penny The Wise on August 9th, 2007

• we don't have to procreate...you people seem to be doing a good enough job of creating us on your own...

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  by DA BEN DAN yanggui zi on August 16th, 2007

• Hell you all create the ones you can't even feed- so don't worry about the population. You're doing a "good enough" job as it is!

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  by Penny The Wise on August 16th, 2007

• Afraid you're just wrong Lina.

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  by Stableboy on September 17th, 2007

• Why are you such an unhappy person Lina? Happy people don't behave like you just did. I am gay. If you have a problem with that..that's fine. It is your problem. Homosexuality is not a problem for me.

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  by DA BEN DAN yanggui zi on September 17th, 2007

• A Christian *woman* presuming to teach all the men here? Heresy!
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  1 Timothy 2:11-12 "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent."
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  I'm not telling her to shut up, but her Bible is.

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  by eternal0void on January 26th, 2009

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• Thanks Lizbit! Welcome to AB!

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  by Penny The Wise on July 31st, 2007

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• As a bi person I have met many a person who is against it. But good for you for being open minded. :)

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  by Penny The Wise on July 31st, 2007

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• That actually IS a kingly response.

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  by Stableboy on June 20th, 2007

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