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by Newtgirl on August 27th, 2004

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Where are the Garden of Eden and The Tower of Babel located?

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  • by Roger Kovaciny on July 15th, 2006

    Roger Kovaciny

    Where the garden of Eden was would be difficult to figure out, but where it IS is under about a mile of sedimentary rock from Noah's flood.

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  • by Glenn Blaylock on September 14th, 2004

    Glenn Blaylock

    There is one event that must be taken into account when trying to determine where the Garden of Eden was, the Great Flood. How much of an influence this has on the question depends on how literally you take the account of this event in Genesis. According to Genesis, it rained for 40 days. However, the flood lasted 150 days (Genesis 8:3) That's five months that Noah was adrift. If you take the account of the flood as absolutely literal (i.e. the all of the Earth was covered in water) then he could have come from just about anywhere on Earth depending on winds and ocean currents. Even if you don't take the account as absolutely literal (there are those that think that the flood was actually just a regional event), 150 days is still long enough that he could have traveled a great distance from where he started.

    So, what does this have to do with the location of the Garden of Eden? In trying to put a specific location to the garden, people operate under the assumption that the landmarks named as being near Eden in the early part of Genesis are the same places that bore those names after the flood. However, Noah and his sons may have ended up thousands of miles away from where they started. That being the case, the various rivers and lands that were around Eden may have become lost to Noah and his descendants and they may have just given those names to new locations in the present day Middle East in memory of the lands they left. Because of this any attempt to put a location to the Garden of Eden based solely on the Biblical description really is speculation.

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    David, yes the Bible is inspired. Yes, God could have told Moses what the then current names of the land marks were. However, it is also possible that God did not want the people of that time to know where the Garden of Eden was. Additionally, if the Ark had traveled thousands of miles during the flood (as I contend is possible, then the then current names of the landmarks would have been meaningless to the Israelites.

    Is it possible that the Garden of Eden was there in the Middle East? Yes it is possible, but it is also possible that it could be just about any where else in the world depending on just how literal the account of the flood really is.

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    "jwmbiz: This is a lot of speculation."

    Of course it is a lot of speculation. That's the point. Any answer to the question as to the location of the Garden of Eden is speculation.

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    "Alatea: There is evidence showing the Garden of Eden was in Iran."

    How about writing your own answer stating the evidence. Without that, this comment is worthless. Personally, I am incline to question this assertion at the outset. How much evidence would a single family leave behind. How do you distinguish this evidence from all of the other evidence of hominids that we find throughout that entire region and say that this is where Adam and Eve lived as opposed to any other early hominid settlement?

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  • by Illmatic67 on September 9th, 2004

    Illmatic67

    Iraq

    That's where both the Garden of Eden was and the Tower of Babel.

    Thousands of years ago, the middle east may have been a jungle instead of the desert it is today.

    Some scholars speculate that the Sahara Desert itself was one big jungle before natural occurances caused it to turn into a desert.

    The Tower of Babel was Babylonian. The Babylonians built very tall temples called ziggarauts and that Tower of Babel may have been just that.

    Therefore, according to the Bible, Iraq was where it all started...

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  • by RedJohn on July 14th, 2006

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    The Garden of Eden is a mythical place, except to those members of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic faiths who believe in a literal interpretation of the Book of Genesis in the Bible. The unattainable is a frequent theme in religious and mythological stories.

    The location is referred to in the Bible as follows:
    "And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads. The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold; And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone. And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia. And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates."

    The Hiddekel is the Tigris. The headwaters of the Tigris and Euphrates are located in modern Turkey, which could put the mythical location as somewhere in Turkey, Iraq, or Iran. These countries are in Asia. The location of the other two rivers is unknown and they have never been identified reliably. Some have believed the Gihon to lie in Ethiopia, but this is inconsistent with the reference to the Tigris and Euphrates.

    Ancient Sumerian writings have a number of parallels with the biblical version of history, particularly the story of Gilgamesh, which is the oldest known heroic poem, and records of their origin as a people. Much of the region was flooded during the Flandrian Transgression (between 5000 and 4000 BCE), when the sea levels rose sharply worldwide and the Persian Gulf was filled to its current size. The inhabitants of the region were forced to relocate to avoid the rising waters. This may also be the source of the story of the biblical flood.

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    Re: "wrong" and "LITERAL place" from Answers101

    It is not a literal place, since it is mentioned only in the religious texts of one family group of religious faiths that all stem from the same source. As I stated, if you believe in a literal interpretation of the Book of Genesis in the Bible, it is real. If you do not, it is a mythical place used as an allegory in a morality tale.

    If you continue to claim this is wrong and downrate this answer as incorrect or offensive using your primary account, as well as those of your sock puppets, you demonstrate that you have a mind that is closed to differing opinions and a religious intolerance that is offensive. This is aptly demonstrated elsewhere in Answerbag, as well as your puerile behaviour as a troll. Have you every heard of the term "duckspeak"?

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  • by Anonymous on July 14th, 2006

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    It's not possible to know what place on present-day Earth was the location of Eden. Between the great flood, and the dividing of the Earth in Peleg's time, and whatever other upheavals may have taken place since Adam and Eve were driven out of Eden, it is unlikely that any evidence remains of Eden's original location.

    Another user, who has since departed Answerbag, taking all his answers with him, had posted an answer in which he expressed the opinion that Eden was located in what is now Turkey, at approximately 38 degrees north by 43 degrees east. He made some interesting points in support of this claim, but ultimately, it was all speculative. On noticing the name of a city approximately 80 miles east of that location, I was compelled to ask whether Bruce Wayne knew about it.

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  • by smsedmc on December 11th, 2007

    smsedmc

    Naturally, the Garden was in Eden and of course the Tower was in Bable.

    Seriously though, there is no way of knowing beyond doubt. Most would place them as being in or around modern day Iraq.

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  • by Roger Kovaciny on November 22nd, 2006

    Roger Kovaciny

    The Garden of Eden would be located under about a mile of sedimentary rock, caused by Noah's Flood. It would be impossible to identify, because there would be no artifacts.

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  • by JollyMommy on August 27th, 2004

    JollyMommy

    The garden of Eden was planted in eastern Eden. At the mouth of a river that parts into four.
    Pison, which goes into Havilah (there is gold there!)
    Gion, which goes into Ethiopia
    Hiddekel (which we now know as the Tigris), which goes towards Assyria
    and of course, the Euphrates.
    The city of Nod (yes, adam and eve were not the FIRST humans, the bible even states it) is located east of Eden. This is where Cain found his wife.

    Now... If you look at a map of the area of which the Tigris and Euphrates are part of, there is two more rivers that split off as well, the Wadi Rimah which would be the Pison, meaning Havilah is the Saudi Arabia area, and the Karun which would be the Gion, perhaps?

    Well, it is probable that Havila is Saudi Arabia, as Saudi Arabia is a gold producing company.

    However, the Karun/Gion does not go into Ethiopia (it would have to go the same way as the Wadi Rimah). There is of course, the chance that over time the rivers shifted, and the Karun perhaps did not go the way it does now. Then, there is also the chance that through translation it was changed to Ethiopia from somewhere else or that the area now known as Ethiopia was not the area then known as Ethiopia.

    The point where all four rivers are one is at the point where the Persian Gulf starts. It is a known fact that the Persian gulf has expanded over time, and that in 6000 B.C. it was much further back, meaning that if the garden of eden ever did exist, it is unfortunatly underwater now.

    Perhaps, however, the Cherubs and sword of fire are still guarding the gates? But that is doubtful, as they were to guard the tree of life, which im sure can not live under the gulf, and probably covered by thousands of years of sediment.

    Now, the Tower of Babel.
    In the fertile Mesopotamian plain between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, in what is now modern Iraq, is a mound, or tell, of broken mud-brick buildings and debris. This is all that remains of the ancient famed city of Babylon.

    Archaeologists examining the remains of the city of Babylon have found what appears to be the foundation of the tower: a square of earthen embankments some three-hundred feet on each side.

    More of that can be read here: http://www.unmuseum.org/babel.htm

    EDIT: Genesis 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
    4:017 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

    If he could meet a woman from another land after leaving Eden, then logically the bible is stating that there were other humans already on the planet.

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  • by alreadydead on November 22nd, 2006

    alreadydead

    genesis 1-10 are mythes.

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  • by Dmitri on June 1st, 2009

    Dmitri

    I believe that God put the Garden eastward in Eden, so it was probably around or near the antedeluvian Cradle of civilization, the fertile crescent, though this is speculation.

    The Tower of Babel's ruins is southwest of Baghdad, Iraq, I believe.

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  • by ImaCatholic2 on March 25th, 2009

    ImaCatholic2

    The Garden of Eden is located in Genesis chapter 2 and 3: http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/genesis/genesis2.htm

    The Tower of Babel is located in Genesis chapter 11: http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/genesis/genesis11.htm

    With love in Christ.

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  • by Texasescimo on March 25th, 2009

    Texasescimo

    From this article, I would think the garden of Eden was probably in modern day Eastern Turkey.
    Location of Eden. The original site of the garden of Eden is conjectural. The principal means of identifying its geographic location is the Bible’s description of the river “issuing out of Eden,” which thereafter divided into four “heads,” producing the rivers named as the Euphrates, Hiddekel, Pishon, and Gihon. (Ge 2:10-14) The Euphrates (Heb., Perath′) is well known, and “Hiddekel” is the name used for the Tigris in ancient inscriptions. (Compare also Da 10:4.) The other two rivers, the Pishon and the Gihon, however, are unidentified.—See CUSH No. 2; HAVILAH No. 1.
    Some, such as Calvin and Delitzsch, have argued in favor of Eden’s situation somewhere near the head of the Persian Gulf in Lower Mesopotamia, approximately at the place where the Tigris and the Euphrates draw near together. They associated the Pishon and Gihon with canals between these streams. However, this would make these rivers tributaries, rather than branches dividing off from an original source. The Hebrew text points, rather, to a location in the mountainous region N of the Mesopotamian plains, the area where the Euphrates and Tigris rivers have their present sources. Thus The Anchor Bible (1964), in its notes on Genesis 2:10, states: “In Heb[rew] the mouth of the river is called ‘end’ (Josh xv 5, xviii 19); hence the plural of ro’s ‘head’ must refer here to the upper course. . . . This latter usage is well attested for the Akk[adian] cognate resu.” The fact that the Euphrates and Tigris rivers do not now proceed from a single source, as well as the impossibility of definitely determining the identification of the Pishon and Gihon rivers, is possibly explained by the effects of the Noachian Flood, which undoubtedly altered considerably the topographical features of the earth, filling in the courses of some rivers and creating others.
    The traditional location for the garden of Eden has long been suggested to have been a mountainous area some 225 km (140 mi) SW of Mount Ararat and a few kilometers S of Lake Van, in the eastern part of modern Turkey. That Eden may have been surrounded by some natural barrier, such as mountains, could be suggested by the fact that cherubs are stated to have been stationed only at the E of the garden, from which point Adam and Eve made their exit.—Ge 3:24.
    After Adam’s banishment from the paradisaic garden, with no one to “cultivate it and to take care of it,” it may be assumed that it merely grew up in natural profusion with only the animals to inhabit its confines until it was obliterated by the surging waters of the Flood, its location lost to man except for the divine record of its existence.—Ge 2:15.
    2. A place mentioned along with Haran and Canneh as a principal trading center with Tyre, specializing in fine garments, carpets, and rope. (Eze 27:23, 24) It is suggested to be an abbreviated form of the name Beth-eden referred to at Amos 1:5. “The sons of Eden” are included among other inhabitants of places that were vanquished by the Assyrian forces (2Ki 19:12; Isa 37:12), and some consider this Eden (Beth-eden) to be the small district of Bit-adini along the middle course of the Euphrates River.—See BETH-EDEN.
    3. One of the Levites who responded to King Hezekiah’s call for reform; thereafter assigned to work under Kore, “the gatekeeper to the east,” in the distribution of the holy contributions among the priestly divisions.—2Ch 29:12; 31:14, 15.

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  • by Anonymous on March 25th, 2009

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    IT IS LOCATED IN IRAQ.


    1. The Garden of Eden was in Iraq


    2. Mesopotamia, which is now Iraq, was the cradle of civilization!

    3. Noah built the ark in Iraq

    4. The Tower of Babel was in Iraq

    5. Abraham was from Ur, which is in Southern Iraq !

    6. Isaac's wife Rebekah is from Nahor, which is in Iraq !


    7. Jacob met Rachel in Iraq

    8. Jonah preached in Nineveh- which is in Iraq

    9. Assyria, which is in Iraq, conquered the ten tribes of Israel

    10. Amos cried out in Iraq !

    11 Babylon , which is in Iraq , destroyed Jerusalem

    12. Daniel was in the lion's den in Iraq !

    13. The three Hebrew children were in the fire in Iraq (Jesus had been in Iraq also as the fourth person in the Fiery Furnace!)

    14. Belshazzar, the King of Babylon saw the 'writing on the wall' in Iraq

    15. Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, carried the Jews captive into Iraq

    16. Ezekiel preached in Iraq

    17. The wise men were from Iraq

    18. Peter preached in Iraq

    19. The 'Empire of Man' described in Revelation is called Babylon, which was a city in Iraq !

    And you have probably seen this one: Israelis the nation most often mentioned in the Bible.


    But do you know which nation is second?
    It is Iraq !
    However, that is not the name that is used in the Bible
    The names used in the Bible are Babylon , Land of Shinar , and Mesopotamia . The word Mesopotamia means between the two rivers, more exactly between the Tigris
    And Euphrates Rivers..
    The name Iraq, means country with deep roots.

    Indeed Iraqis a country with deep roots and is a very significant country in the Bible.

    No other nation, except Israel , has more history and prophecy

    associated
    With it than Iraq

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  • by researcher for God on May 7th, 2007

    researcher for God

    Eden...

    Perhaps Africa...


    Tower of Babylon...

    IRAQ

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  • by Glenn Blaylock on July 25th, 2006

    Glenn Blaylock

    I would just like to point out that this topic has already been pretty well covered at http://www.answerbag.com/q_view.php/8222

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  • by CesareBorgia on June 1st, 2009

    CesareBorgia

    I personally find the case for the Garden of Eden being in modern day Turkey the most convincing. The temple in Gobekli Tepe I think has a lot more evidence to provide.

    Its the oldest purpose built temple and the near the home of all the wheat in the world. It is where agriculture originated, at first having a negative effect on health due to lack of protein.

    The tower of babel was probably located in modern day Iraq from the information I have seen.

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  • by izrael on March 17th, 2009

    izrael

    in genesis 2:10-15 note (yahwah) said A river went out of Eden to water the garden. the largest river in that part of the world is the nile, it flows from south to north. the river parted in four in order in which they were created, the first is pishon the land of havilah, were there is gold. the second river is gihon which goes around the whole land of cush or ethiopia. now there it get interesting, the third river is hiddekel which goes towards the east of assyria isn't that in the middle east, and the fourth is the euphrates which in today iraq. so eden is located at the source point of the nile lake victoria, were all the wild animals still migrate .

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  • by iwnit on April 22nd, 2007

    iwnit

    I told you not to come back or I shall turn you into a salt statue.

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  • by Friartuck on April 22nd, 2007

    Friartuck

    The areas and maybe the tower that inspired the Babel fable are probably in the middle east.

    That is where many of the older, similar creation and flood stories from Babylonian and Mesopotamian mythology originate.

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  • by singwell-is off researching a lot on April 22nd, 2007

    singwell-is off researching a lot

    Was, not is. The Fall and the Flood changed the landscape of the earth irrevocably. But we have some clues in the Bible as to the general location of Eden. It lay between the Tigris and the Euphrates, so must have been somewhere in Modern Iraq. The same with the Tower of Babel. Babel is associated with the later city of Babylon, so must have also been in the same general area.

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  • by RC loves ice cream on March 25th, 2009

    RC loves ice cream

    In the Bible, and people's imaginations.

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  • by Possum on March 25th, 2009

    Possum

    Topeka, Kansas?

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  • by philosopher-saint on June 1st, 2009

    philosopher-saint

    In fertile imaginations?!
    ;-)

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  • by Ken_E on October 11th, 2010

    Ken_E

    For one it could be in the South Pole for all we know, because all that water moving so fast that it might be the reason for the plates to have moved. One things stands clear is the Bible states its being garden by two cherubim’s, we may pass right over it and not even know. The cherubim’s are there to hide it from mans eyes. It could be in some other detention for all we know. Who knows with God because man is not allowed in it at all.

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  • by Dr Jones on April 29th, 2009

    Dr Jones

    I do not think that either existed exactly as described in the Bible.However, some believe that they are based on real events.

    It has been argued that the garden of Eden is located in the valley of Tabriz,buried under the modern Iranian City of the same name.

    I suspect that the Tower of Babel story was bsed on a Ziggurat in Babylon.

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  • by Adz3r0 on June 1st, 2009

    Adz3r0

    IRAQ. And we've rained a shitstorm on pretty much all of it.

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