• I don't believe that religious people oppose free speech. I think they oppose free speech that contradicts God and the Bible.
    • pugwashjw65
      Whatever contradicts the Bible is NOT the truth. I agree with Bookworm 5790
    • pugwashjw65
      AND there can only BE one truth...the ONE that complies with ALL the scriptures...
    • Sandra Ursula
      About 71% of the people now living don't believe in God and the Bible. Christianity is fading a lot in Europe and never has ahd much influence in Asia. The Bible contradicts itself badly hundreds of times.
    • pugwashjw65
      Please cite two scriptures that are diametrically that says to love your enemy...and another which says to kill him...the kill part you will find in the Koran...but not the Bible... which one is preferable.?
  • Why do you just accuse religious people of being opposed to free speech? The fact of the matter is that all sorts of groups opposed free speech. Religious extremists oppose speech when it contradicts their beliefs. Atheists oppose any kind of religious speech in public discourse. Political extremists oppose free speech that contradicts their beliefs. It does not matter who you are talking about, you are going to find extremists in all groups that, not only don't want to hear an opposing point of view, but don't want anybody else to be able to hear it either. In many of these cases, the people in question will loudly proclaim their support for freedom of speech while in the act of stifling another person's attempt to exercise that very right. Don't try to single out religious people only as being guilty of this crime. *********** "scubabob: Sorry Glenn, but I believe he DID post it in religion, rather than global politics or he likely would have included more groups." Sorry, scubabob, but the fact that he posted it in the religion section and specifically singled out religious people show that he is biased against religious people. He is one who does not like having people tell him that certain aspects of his life are wrong. He considers those of us who tell him this to be religious extremists.
    • pugwashjw65
      A religious extremist, if you do not agree with him, will put you up against a wall and shoot you... J.W's do not do this, but simply refer to scripture for what is asked...yet some accuse J.W's of extremism...???? WHO else is fulfilling Matthew 24:14.?
    • Linda Joy
      I give God the glory.
    • pugwashjw65
      It is very important to KNOW who ' god' is...It is NOT Jesus...The glory belongs to almighty GOD Jehovah... Jesus is the son...and we should be obedient to him... (Mark 9:7) And a cloud formed, overshadowing them, and a voice came out of the cloud: ?This is my Son, the beloved. Listen to him.?
    • Texasescimo
      As my old friend Glenn said: Religious extremists oppose speech when it contradicts their beliefs.
    • Texasescimo
      Kinda surprising that the one that shares Glenns religious beliefs does not share his beliefs on free speech.
  • The biggest opponents of free speech today are, fairly obviously, the political-correctness crowd. Political correctness just means left-wing thought control. They should be free to offend anyone--gay pride day at Disney World comes to mind--but nobody should be allowed to offend them by protesting it. Nothing enrages a left-winger like having common people allowed to think in ways the left wing doesn't approve. Think of the Communist press anywhere. And of all the things you're not allowed to say anymore, the jokes you dare not tell, the team names and mascots that are supposedly racist. By the way, your Bible quote is taken out of context. What Jesus actually said--you can look it up in John 8:31 and 32--was "If you continue in my word, your are truly my disciples, and you shall know the truth, and the truth will set you free." Jesus was interested in freeing people from their sins, their bondage to Satan, their fear of death and the threat of hell. The statement does not mean "the more knowledgeable you are, the freer you will be." Who is more knowledgeable about narcotics than a doctor? And yet doctors can become addicts too.
    • pugwashjw65
      The " gay pride" brigade offend Jehovah God.... (1 Corinthians 6:9, 10) Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God?s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God?s Kingdom. Q.E.D. IGNORE SCRIPTURE BY ALL MEANS, BUT BE PREPARED TO ACCEPT THE CONSEQUENCES.
  • Free speach means to speak freely that your opinions at the correct time, can be stated. For example if I said that Geraldo at large is an idiot liberal, that is because I am free to say that, but if someone corrects me with evidence they are not against my freedom of speech. The person who corrected me just corrected me. So when someone speaks blasphamies and another tells them they are wrong because..... they are not trying to keepyou from speaking. When you read your Bible do just that read it and comprehend the whole message. My favorite Quote is "Freedom means free from, NOT free too."
  • Belief or non-belief in religion makes no difference to a person's views on free speech. Some folks, of any stripe, believe that there are reasonable limits on free speech. These folks aren't against it, just against what they believe to be excesses. Then there are those who believe they have a right to abuse free speech. There IS a difference between attacking free speech and attacking those who abuse free speech for their own benefit or profit. Free speech is not a carte blanche to do as thou wilt, although some certainly think it is.
  • Since when does religion not contradict itself in every way? Of course open discussions are the best way for the truth to come out but logic has nothing to do with religions
  • Your assumption that "religious" people oppose free speech is flawed. The only ones on this site who rant with no interest in what others have to say appear to be those who believe in nothing.
  • My belief is that the egotistical people who are insecure in the correctness of their position oppose free speech. True, many of them are religious, but I also know many religious people who are FOR free speech and the exchange of ideas. They may not agree with what you have to say, but they agree with your right to say it. I also know many non-religious people who oppose free speech on the grounds that anybody who disagrees with them is "too stupid to have anything worth saying", or somesuch. I will grant that the people who are most outspoken about abridging the free speech of others invoke God's name quite a bit, but even I feel it is unfair to paint them all with such a braod brush.
  • Incorrect, my friend. But a good question. +4 1. Not all opinions are equally valid. Not all opinions are equally true. Some opinions deny established truths and should be disregarded from the conversation. 2. Religious people of all people value free speech the most because without it, we will face legal obstacles to preaching our religious faiths. We are, in fact, the biggest champions of free speech because our ability to practice our religions in adherence to our holy books depends on the ability to proclaim what they say without reservation or restriction. 3. The truth that sets you free had a self-referential implication when spoken by Christ Jesus. He is the Truth, by which, knowing Him and His message sets humanity free from enslavement to sin and at liberty to live in holy service to God.
  • I am a relgious person and I do not oppose free speech. Which religious person or people do you know who has told you they oppose free speech? Having a debate may not necessarily lead to the truth, unless you are suggesting the debates can last for centuries. It can sometimes lead to the truth. If that were so we would have sorted out the existence of God many years ago, or creationism, or abortion, or the truth of religions, or Darwin, or if the war in Iraq, or innocent people would never be found guilty, and guilty people would never be found innocent. Or is your point that because we do not have such debates we have not got to the truth? Perhaps science will one day prove whether your assertion is correct. Do we know what the best debate forum is? Philosophers years ago believed only they should govern the countries as they had the ability to debate and the knowledge. Now we have elected people of all works of life in our chambers. Do they debate and get to the truth? Unfortunately not - power and influence are as rife today as they have always been.
  • The extreme right and its fundie base is that way and why? Because once people have freedom to actually think for themselves they realize what a load of shit it really is. DON'T support the right unless you like having your thoughts and ideas canned.
  • Because, 'free speech' invariably exposes the bluff and vile 'nakedness' or religious doctrines! Religions need to 'die' for the sins and salvation of of mankind!
  • i don't oppose free speech...but ' free speech don't make it TRUE'..:)speaking truth and not lying is what God means.....and HE is not 'debateable'.... we can say what we want, just make it TRUTH...and we are free from guilt of sinning.... you are mixing God and Government.... our constitution allows us 'free speech'say what we want, lie or not a lie...:) God allows 'free speech' too , just demands us to be truthful...
  • i agree ppl who are religious are somewhat hypocritical just look at evolution, 1st god created all then they said god created evolution let life be lived and showed up later WTH? yes all options to be heard in a religion would be dandy however if time is a factor then do not count your chickens
  • Why do non-religious people oppose spiritual speech? Don't they say, "Everybody is entitled to their opinion?" It seems as if every opinion, but the Christian ones, are allowed to be heard.
  • I don't oppose free speech.
  • What all of you are not seeing is that there is absolute truth that can be proven.
    • Sandra Ursula
      No, There isn't!
  • Because their own "logic" that allows them to worship fairytales, is built upon a foundation of sand. And anyone who can cast even a single doubt about the validity of their religion, any religion, is ignored, or attacked. Anything to avoid the real issues. Which is why so many religious countries have "Blasphemy Laws".
  • I've never met a religious person who opposed free speech but i live in the US where it is a constitutional right. I'm not sure where you are from so I can't speak for your country.
  • not sure why they do that
  • The ' truth' sets you free from the wrongful teachings of false religion....such as the trinity idea...and eternal hellfire... There is no punishment after death. (Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6) For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they no longer have any share in what is done under the sun. (Ecclesiastes 9:10) Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave, where you are going.
  • 9-10-2017 Almost nobody knows what "religious" means, so we are talking about general impressions here. The significant thing about "religious" people is that they never learned the basics of their religion but they want to kill anybody who questions it in any way. I have gotten the same response when I tried to talk about sharpening knives. Everybody learned that from some beloved relative and anybody who even uses different words is rejected and insulted. Whoda thunk people would get religious about sharpening knives?
  • not sure why
  • There can be only ONE truth... One plus one equals two...end of story... So the scriptures guide us to what IS true... Lazarus could only be in two places...heaven or ' hell'...IF heaven, then he was much better off so there would be no reason for Jesus to ' journey' there to retrieve him... But Jesus did...WAS Lazarus burnt at all [ hellfire teaching ] No. Was Jesus ? No. So Lazarus was simply dead in his grave [ hell / Hades ] So it is NOT a burning place... In scripture, burning signifies total destruction... Lazarus was revived and after some time, did die again...naturally,,, So he is part of this group... (Revelation 20:12, 13) And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. The dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds. 13 And the sea gave up the dead in it, and death and the Grave gave up the dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds. Which is yet to happen.
  • Claiming that one's opponents is opposing free speech because they discount or disapprove of your position is cry baby nonsense. EVERYBODY tells their opponents to shut up and this claim says nothing.
  • they probably just dont like free speech
  • You're just assuming that religious people oppose free speech. And you know what assumptions are, right? I have found that it's the atheists that are usually the ones who are intolerant. Either way, all religions are based on faith. And that's something that you cannot prove either way.
  • It's religions which made the laws that give "free speech," kid - try to keep up. What you're obviously confused about is "voicing an opinion" and "academic enquiry". There is no such thing as "freedom of speech". What actually exists is "freedom of speech within the law". The Truth has nothing to do with opinions as opinions are usually nothing more than crap spoken because there are no facts to back anything up. Also "debates" are only held between informed people
  • I agree with Glen.
  • That Bible statement confirms that if there is truth, then there must also be UNTRUTHS... Religious untruths,,,So who on the earth is promoting them? The Bible says Satan... (Revelation 12:7-9) And war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha
  • The absolute truth is beyond opinions.
  • not sure why
  • It might seem that way, but it's not. Religious people are fully engaged. (1 Peter 3:15) That is, to be prepared to give an answer to everyone who questions the reason of the hope that is in you. As believers, we are unmistakably distinct as salt and light: so distinct that they (unbelievers) just can't miss us.
  • Not true.
  • If you were doing maths, there can only be ONE truth. One plus one equals it does not matter what others opinions have on the matter... The SINGULAR truth of scriptures...from the ONE creating God, does not allow for opinions...even though these might make us feel better. To " get to " the truth, it is simply a matter of being obedient to scripture...the main one being... (Matthew 28:19, 20) Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.
    • bostjan64
      There is plenty of reason to debate topics in mathematics; however, I think you are conflating arithmetic with mathematics in general. One plus one equals two because we define two in that way. The Bible is defined as the book of law for those who follow it - except there is the fact that there do exist large groups of people who interpret the Bible in different ways. The Bible says that the Sabbath is to be on the seventh day of the week, so, Seventh Day Adventists exist. Other European-based sects celebrate on the first day of the week, because it was what their pagan ancestors did. The Bible says to prepare for the apocalypse, so you have the JW, but the Bible also says that people with the Holy Spirit spoke in tongues and were immune to snake venom, so you have pentacostals and such... And then there is all of the stuff that is not in the Bible. The Bible doesn't say to say "Hail Mary," as Catholicism teaches, it doesn't say no dancing, like the Baptists believe, and it doesn't say to keep creepy paintings of old dudes like the Orthodox Church believes. Even if you strip away all of the superfluous stuff and get right down to the scripture and nothing else, there are different ways to interpret things - for example, is pork okay to eat or not? The Bible says no, but there are some vague references in Acts that a vast majority of Christians use to justify that it is okay, even though there is no verse in the Bible that explicitly says "Thou shalt eat pork." So, there are a lot of nuanced beliefs that are up for debate.
    • pugwashjw65
      All those things that people do now in the name of religion are simply wrong...those early practices have been done away with...they may have been relevant in their time but not now.... eating pork, 'crossing' oneself, speaking in tongues etc. As for this, it was a miracle that allowed the apostles to speak in languages other than their own...without formal training...TO GET THE MESSAGE ACROSS... (1 Corinthians 13:8) Love never fails. But if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away with; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away with. The scriptures answer your criticism...
  • Openly debate this....One plus one equals is the truth... Religious truth has only one answer...debate should not even enter the picture... Jesus made it clear... Obligation. (Ecclesiastes 12:13) The conclusion of the matter, everything having been heard, is: Fear the true God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole obligation of man. Matthew 28: 19,20.....ONLY one group is doing this...Preaching the Kingdom...worldwide,,,ALL members...United...So divisions... No RCC, Russian Orthodox, Mormon, Islam, 7th Day, etc etc. All praying and getting nowhere.
  • You're deluded. It's religious people that ALLOWED free speech in the first place. You need to buck up your ideas kid, there is no t one "type" of religious person but they make up majorities virtually everywhere.
    • Texasescimo
      You got that right. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. Google: Canaries in the coal mine of human rights
    • Texasescimo
      Not sure if that first link will work so here are a couple of links within it: .. .. .. .. .. . .. .. ..
  • Many religious people are definitely opposed to free speech but I get a kick out of how EVERYBODY with strong opinions accused everybody who disagrees with them as being against free speech. Grow up people!
  • As jshm22 said, I Don't think they do. . . .. .. .. .. .. .. .. Google: Canaries in the coal mine of human rights . . Not sure if that first link will work so here are a couple of links within it: .. .. .. .. .. . .. .. ..

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