by Good Samson on June 4th, 2004

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Do Mormons believe that Adam was God?

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  • by Helix42 on May 4th, 2005

    Helix42

    SELF-GOVERNMENT - MYSTERIES - RECREATION AND AMUSEMENTS, NOT IN THEMSELVES SINFUL - TITHING - ADAM, OUR FATHER AND OUR GOD

    A SERMON DELIVERED BY PRESIDENT BRIGHAM YOUNG, IN THE TABERNACLE,GREAT SALT LAKE CITY, APRIL 9, 1852
    (Journal of Discourses Vol 1:46)
    http://journals.mormonfundamentalism.org/

    "Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is MICHAEL, the Archangel, the ANCIENT OF DAYS! about whom holy men have written and spoken-He is our FATHER and our GOD, and the only God with whom WE have to do. Every man upon the earth, professing Christians or non-professing, must hear it, and will know it sooner or later. ...
    ... Again, they will try to tell how the divinity of Jesus is joined to his humanity, and exhaust all their mental faculties, and wind up with this profound language, as describing the soul of man, "it is an immaterial substance!" What a learned idea! Jesus, our elder brother, was begotten in the flesh by the same character that was in the garden of Eden, and who is our Father in Heaven. Now, let all who may hear these doctrines, pause before they make light of them, or treat them with indifference, for they will prove their salvation or damnation."

    Brigham Young a Mormon prophet has answered the question in clear language.

    [kman99] Just for the record I am not a "mormon-hater". They simply have a belief system that is founded on one lie built on top of another and then another to correct the former. If you look, really look, you find that their fundamental beliefs change and they contradict each other. God is perfect, change is not in his vocabulary and truth does not contridict itself, therefore Mormonism is a lie. Those who follow it are deceived, and I do not hate them for it. I was like them before God opened my eyes. I have no understanding except what has been given to me. I have no desire to see anyone perish from listening to a false prophet so I type here and answer questions as best I can. If the Blaylocks of the world rate me poorly because of it, so be it.

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  • by Alatea on November 26th, 2005

    Alatea

    Yes they do but they dance around the question with some mumbo jumbo to confuse. They also say the Journal of Discourses is no longer relevant. You will be told one thing one day and another the next but this is a part of the deception. What their recent beliefs do confirm is the fact they have no basis for the endless additions and deletions from their OWN books. The following is what Brigham Young himself taught.
    LDS today will tell you that the doctrine Young taught was incorrectly transcribed. The ordinary Mormon damned for this belief but Brigham Young who they claim talked WITH God is not.
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    Mormon leaders, Brigham Young in particular, have taught that Adam was God. Although this doctrine has been officially repudiated by the LDS church in recent times, it is well documented that it was consistently and repeatedly taught by Brigham Young and other church leaders. This serves to undermine their claims to authority as true prophets and spokesmen for God.

    Brigham Young proclaimed: "Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days, about whom holy men have written and spoken---He is our father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p.50-51, a sermon given on April 9, 1852).
    Brigham Young stated: "Jesus, our elder brother, was begotten in the flesh by the same character that was in the garden of Eden, and who is our Father in Heaven" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p.50-51)

    "How much unbelief exists in the minds of the Latter-day Saints in regard to one particular doctrine which I have revealed to them, and which God revealed to me...namely that Adam is our Father and God...Our Father Adam is the man who stands at the gate and holds the keys to everlasting life and salvation to all his children who have or ever will come upon the earth" (Brigham Young, Deseret News, June 18, 1873).
    President Young felt strongly about criticism he received from others in the LDS Church, notably Orson Pratt, about this doctrine: "Now, let all who may hear these doctrines, pause before they make light of them, or treat them with indifference, for they will prove their salvation or damnation" (Journal of Discourses, vol.1, p.50-51).

    F.D. Richards, a prominent Mormon confirms this was doctrine: "Concerning the doctrine that Adam is our Father and God...the prophet and Apostle Brigham has declared it, and that is the word of the Lord" (Millenial Star, August 26, 1854, vol.16, p.534).
    Hosea Stout confirms this: "Another meeting this evening. President B. Young taught that Adam was the Father of Jesus and the Only God to us" (Diary of Hosea Stout, April 9, 1852, vol. 2, p.435).
    Other leaders taught it, including George Q. Cannon: "Jesus Christ is Jehovah...Adam is his Father and our God" (Diary of Abraham H. Cannon, June 23, 1889, vol.11, p.39).

    Mormon A.F. McDonald commented: "The doctrine preached by [President] Young for a few years back wherein he says that Adam is our God---the God we worship--- most of the people believe it...if the President makes a statement it is not our prerogative to dispute it...when I first heard the doctrine of Adam being our Father and God, I was favorably impressed---enjoyed and hailed it as a new Revelation" (Minutes of the School of Prophets, Provo, UT, 1868-1871, p.38-39).
    Mormon Edward W. Tullidge wrote: "Adam is our Father and God. He is the God of the Earth. So says Brigham Young" and "When Brigham Young proclaimed to the nations that Adam was our Father and God, and Eve, his partner, the Mother of a world---both in a mortal and celestial sense---he made the most important revelation ever oracled to the race since the days of Adam himself" (The Women of Mormondom, p.79,179,196-197, 1877).

    John Nuttal records: "Prest Young was filled with the spirit of God & revelation & said...Father Adam's oldest son (Jesus the Savior) who is the heir of the family is Father Adam's first begotten in the spirit world" (Wednesday Feb. 7, 1877, Journal of John Nuttal, vol.1, p.18-21).
    These are only a few of the evidences that Brigham Young taught the Adam-God doctrine. Additional documentation can be found in the Journal of Discourses (vol.5, p.331-332) and in articles of the Millenial Star (vol.15, p.801; vol.16, p.482,530,534; vol.17, p.195) and Deseret News (June 14, 1873).

    Most recent Mormon leaders deny that Brigham Young taught this doctrine, claim it was erroneously transcribed, or denounce it as false. However, because Young's statements can be extremely well documented, this undermines the credibility of one or both parties 12,13.

    Spencer W. Kimball stated: "We warn you against the dissemination of doctrines which are not according to the scriptures and which are alleged to have been taught by some of the General Authorities of past generations. Such, for instance, is the Adam-God theory. We denounce that theory and hope that everyone will be cautioned against this and other kinds of false doctrine" (Church News, October 9, 1976).
    Joseph Fielding Smith said this about Brigham Young's statements: "in all probability, the sermon was erroneously transcribed" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol.1, p.96).
    Hugh Brown (a member of the First Presidency) stated: "The Adam-God doctrine is not the doctrine of the Church, and the reports on that subject as published in the Journal of Discourses are not accurate" (in a letter dated May 13, 1966).
    More recently, Apostle Bruce McConkie admits: "Yes, President Young did teach that Adam was the father of our spirits, and all the related things the cultists [orthodox Christians] ascribe to him" (letter to Eugene England dated Feb. 19, 1981, photocopy available from Challenge Ministries, P.O. Box 20195, El Cajon, CA, 92021).
    In fairness, Bruce McConkie went on to say (in the letter cited above): "He [Brigham Young] expressed views that are out of harmony with the gospel" (letter to Eugene England dated Feb. 19, 1981). However, the consequences associated with Young's false teaching are not clear, because McConkie goes on to say: "We will be judged by what we believe among other things. If we believe false doctrine, we will be condemned. If that belief is on basic and fundamental things, it will lead us astray and we will lose our souls...(2 Nephi 28:15). This clearly means that people who teach false doctrine in the fundamental and basic things will lose their souls. The nature and kind of being that God is, is one of these fundamentals. I repeat: Brigham Young erred in some of his statements on the nature and kind of being that God is and as to the position of Adam in the plan of salvation...what he did is not a pattern for any of us. If we choose to believe and teach the false portions of his doctrines, we are making an election that will damn us" (letter to Eugene England dated Feb. 19, 1981). It is not clear why the ordinary Mormon is damned for doing this, but Brigham Young is not. For thorough documentation and discussion of this topic, two references should be consulted: Turner and Vlachos).

    The Bible states Adam was only a created being, the first man.
    Orthodox Christians will recognize most of Brigham Young's statements about Adam to be complete blasphemy.

    http://www.leaderu.com/offices/michaeldavis/docs/mormonism/god-refs.html#eleven

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  • by Anonymous on October 22nd, 2005

    Anonymous

    Adam was A god...

    He was a Son of God as in a Perfect IMMORTAL BEING as the Father.

    Adam who was a god...& Is the Father of ALL LIVING.

    However,

    he is not GOD THE FATHER / Elohim.

    but I can see how people get confused.

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  • by Kim Siever on May 4th, 2005

    Kim Siever

    Some may believe it, but it is not taught and the overwhelming majority of Mormons do not believe it.

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  • by kona88 on April 1st, 2007

    kona88

    Brigham Young gave a sermon in 1852 that taught a "doctrine" (as he called it) that Adam is God and vice versa, quoted below.

    "Jesus, our elder brother, was begotten in the flesh by the same character that was in the garden of Eden, and who is our Father in Heaven. Now, let all who may hear these doctrines, pause before they make light of them, or treat them with indifference, for they will prove their salvation or damnation."

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  • by Anonymous on June 5th, 2004

    Anonymous

    Absolutely not.

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  • by maniss78 on June 20th, 2007

    maniss78

    Hello to all.

    Please see the following link

    http://www.mrm.org/topics/documents-speeches/bruce-mcconkies-letter-rebuke-professor-eugene-england

    This is a letter written by Bruce McConkie to Eugene England. In it he says that, Yes Pres. Young taught that Adam was the God and father of our spirits, but that Pres. Young wasn't speaking as a Prophet at that time. Read the posted link. The Church doesn't officially teach it, in fact they reject the idea. But Pres. Young sure thought that Adam was God, and Bruce McConkie says so.

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  • by pacella23 on April 16th, 2005

    pacella23

    The Doctrine and Covenants refer to Adam as the "Ancient of Days", a title given to God in the Bible. It seem to also say the Adam was Michael??

    http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/27/11#11

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  • by Piso on April 15th, 2008

    Piso

    Didnt Know the Adams Family were gods

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  • by Hastic on April 15th, 2008

    Hastic

    they believe he was prophet.

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  • by the Otter on April 15th, 2008

    the Otter

    Several people have cited the Journal of Discourses in an attempt to show that Brigham Young taught that Adam was our Father in Heaven. When they won’t tell you is that, while there are two or three instances in which President Young appears to teach such a thing, there are literally *thousands* of instances in which he directly contradicted this heretical “doctrine.” What’s more, you will note that everybody that cites Journal of Discourses 1:51 in an attempt to prove that he taught it has to add ellipses to omit this phrase:
     
    “It is true that the earth was organized by three distinct characters, namely, Eloheim, Yahovah, and Michael, these three forming a quorum, as in all heavenly bodies, and in organizing element, perfectly represented in the Deity, as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.”
    http://journalofdiscourses.org/Vol_01/refJDvol1-10.html
     
    So right there, in black and white, right between the paragraphs they *do* cite, is President Young’s assertion that Adam (Michael) is NOT God the Father (Elohim).

    So now that we’ve firmly established what “Brother Brigham” *didn’t* mean by “He is our FATHER andour GOD, and the only God with whom WE have to do,” let’s discuss what he *did* mean. The answer, in short, is: we don’t know. I can, however, give my opinion on the subject, which I will now proceed to do.

    First of all, the reliability of the Journal of Discourses has been dealt with in a separate thread (which Glenn Blaylock has consistently cited; thanks, Glenn!). But if we discount the probable scenario that President Young was misquoted, misunderstood, and/or misinterpreted by both the beginning shorthand student that recorded this sermon and by many that have come thereafter, we also have the following:

    “Adam’s name was more ancient than he was. It was the name of a man long before him, who enjoyed the Priesthood” (William Clayton journal, 28 December 1845).

    Thus, like it or not, President Young believed in at least two Adams. This shouldn’t seem so odd; I know several “Adam”s myself, and none of them is even my ancestor, let alone the first man on Earth. So… multiple Adams: if the “man long before him” that also holds the name Adam is our Heavenly Father, then all controversy evaporates. So where can we find support for this idea?

    THE BIBLE.

    You read that right.

    If you do not believe that “Adam” is one of the names of our Heavenly Father, you do not believe the Bible. “Adam” is a common noun in the Hebrew language. Always has been. When the Hebrew Bible talked about “Adam,” it was just talking about “Man”—and why shouldn’t it have been? He was the only man here. Why shouldn’t he have been named “Man”?

    Now…. Who was known as “The Son of Man”?

    Matthew 16:13: “[T]he Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father….”
    Matthew 24:30: “They shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.”
    Matthew 26:24: “[W]oe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed!”
    Matthew 26:65: “Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power.”
    Mark 9;31: “The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men….”
    Luke 9:22: “The Son of man must suffer many things… and be raised the third day.”
    Luke 9:56: “[T]he Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them.”

    Jesus Christ: The Son of Man. Or in the language of the Hebrews—the very language which Christ Himself spoke—The Son of Adam.

    Put that in your bubble pipe and smoke it. ;-)

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  • by DudeLer 2 on February 3rd, 2009

    DudeLer 2

    mormons believe we are all Gods. we are children of God, therefore like father like son and daughter.

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  • by edndori on February 3rd, 2009

    edndori

    We do not.
    Remember this when you cite the Brigham Young statement to the effect that God the Father was the same one that was in the Garden of Eden.
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    Genesis 3:8 And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden bin the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.
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    There were then, three in the garden: Adam, Eve and one whom you will agree WAS the Lord God.
    Yes, God was there.
    No, he was not Adam.

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  • by the Otter on August 9th, 2008

    the Otter

    Moderators, thanks for combining these questions.

    * * *

    Now, while I’m here, let’s put this in context. If the quotation even be accurate (which is itself a dubious supposition), it goes like this:

       “Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When
        our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial
        body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and
        organize this world. He is MICHAEL, the Archangel, the ANCIENT OF DAYS!
        about whom holy men have written and spoken—He is our FATHER and our
        GOD, and the only God with whom WE have to do” (Journal of Discourses 1:50).

    The quote makes it perfectly clear that Adam is Michael the Archangel, not God the Father.

    HTH!

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  • by Anonymous on February 4th, 2009

    Anonymous

    No.

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  • by whew4 on February 25th, 2009

    whew4

    No, absolutely not! So what did Brigham Young mean when he said.."Adam is our Father and our God and the only God with whom we have to do." If this phrase is understood correctly he is absolutely right. The fact is we will have many judges on judgment day. Jesus told his 12 Apostles they would judge the 12 Tribes of Israel. We are also told that each Prophet who became the head of their dispensation, will sit in judgment over their dispenssation. That means Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, And of course Jesus Christ. Adam has the distince position of being the head of all mankind. Therefore, symbolically speaking he will be AS God, sitting in judgment over his posterity, under the direction of Jesus Christ. Therefore symbolically speaking "Adam is our God and the only God with whom we have to do." Brigham Young knew Adam was not literally our God. Nor did he think Adam was our Father in heaven. Read all of his talks and you will see that is true. whew4

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  • by edndori on April 14th, 2009

    edndori

    Brigham Young apparently thought so once.
    Apparently he discovered this was incorrect.
    He never said such a thing again, but indeed taught the opposite.
    .
    This is counter to present church doctrine.
    A few still believe it anyway.
    However, at least one person who persisted in teaching it was sharply rebuked for it by a general authority.

  • by Bridget_D8547 on May 17th, 2011

    Bridget_D8547

    No. Jesus Christ is God. He is the Lord God Almighty.

    As for the other members of the Godhead, scripture does not tell us much about them.

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  • by Anonymous on February 25th, 2009

    Anonymous

    No

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