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by Thomas on January 11th, 2008

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Is this true? Christians and Muslims are dumb because they base their belief on faith, which means, do not question, just follow what is written in the book. The church and mullahs has to say that because otherwise, the Bible or the Koran

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  • by Meg is exhausted on January 12th, 2008

    Meg is exhausted

    This is so insulting it doesn't even deserve an answer, but I'll give one anyway. Maybe because I am dumb?

    Faith does not mean not questioning. I can't speak for Muslims, as I am not educated enough about the Qu'ran to formulate a solid answer, but I'm going to answer this as a Catholic:

    Faith is the persuasion of the mind that a certain statement is true. Its primary idea is trust. A thing is true, and therefore worthy of trust. It admits of many degrees up to full assurance of faith, in accordance with the evidence on which it rests. Trust in God is faith, faith is belief, belief may mean creed.

    A definition or description of the grace of faith in two parts:

    1- It is the substance of things hoped for. Faith and hope go together; and the same things that are the object of our hope are the object of our faith. It is a firm persuasion and expectation that God will perform all that he has promised to us in Christ;

    Substance: And this persuasion is so strong that it gives the soul a kind of possession and present fruition of those things, gives them a subsistence in the soul, by the first-fruits and foretastes of them: so that believers in the exercise of faith are filled with joy unspeakable and full of glory. Christ dwells in the soul by faith, and the soul is filled with the fullness of God, as far as his present measure will admit; he experiences a substantial reality in the objects of faith.

    2- It is the evidence of things not seen. Faith demonstrates to the eye of the mind the reality of those things that cannot be discerned by the eye of the body. Faith is the firm assent of the soul to the divine revelation and every part of it, and sets to its seal that God is true. It is a full approbation of all that God has revealed as holy, just, and good; it helps the soul to make application of all to itself with suitable affections and endeavors; and so it is designed to serve the believer instead of sight, and to be to the soul all that the senses are to the body. That faith is but opinion or fancy which does not realize invisible things to the soul, and excite the soul to act agreeably to the nature and importance of them.


    Faith is a most wonderful gift of God, free, by grace, without any previous good work, the greatest treasure on earth, able to fill us with the love of God, because Jesus Christ Himself comes freely into us, just by faith, and then we can love and do good deeds, and not we, but Jesus who is in us!:
    - I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. (Gal.2:20).
    - For in Christ Jesus... the only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love. (Gal.5:6).

    For Catholics, faith is the foundation of the building, love is the building itself, and hope is the windows of that building, to receive fresh air and light and warmth... (1Cor.13:13, Gal.5:5-6).

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  • by Persky Bunkermeister on January 12th, 2008

    Persky Bunkermeister

    No, it's not true. Everyone has a belief system -- I like my own belief system best -- but, in my view, one isn't better than any other -- though I think fundamentalists of any kind can be dangerous -- and perhaps "dumb" simply because they don't have room for other ideas in their life.

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  • by DiSTurBiA on January 26th, 2008

    DiSTurBiA

    I agree, but most religions deal in absolute to ancient outdated books, instead of reason but I dont think calling them "dumb" is right. Lacking in openmindedness maybe, but not dumb

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  • by Allahuma Sali ala Muhammad saaws on January 21st, 2008

    Allahuma Sali ala Muhammad saaws

    Well my friend it is very safe for all of us to ask any sort of question and give any sort of answer from the comfort of our web browsers. Mind you that Religion did not become so populous by the invisibility of anonymous writers.

    Religion if it did not have an effect in someone’s heart or a change in their life would not be retained but rather discarded as a whole.

    I challenge the questioner to show me a religion or philosophy that does not hold any text as sacred or any society that did not govern itself on any principles, values, standard through out history.

    Maybe the best way to get an answer to your question is to challenge your own mind and consciousness to be able to understand a Christian or a Muslim or any believer in any faith by becoming educated about their Holy Books, and accurate beliefs in general.

    If you are really stable it should be easy for you do by engaging as many Muslims and Christians as possible on a daily basis over tea, over a meal, or where ever you can meet them in your area until you find out who is guided and who is not.

    With regard to the Quran, if you do not own a copy then your question is really misguided because that would imply that you did not do your homework at all.

    If you have not first read the book and questioned its relevance to your own self and then made serious attempts outside of your own intelligence to get answers to all your questions then you are just wasting your time.

    I Might say that it is dumb for someone to have a faith in their heart and minds that tomorrow the sun will appear to rise just as it did appear to rise today
    because their could be an eclipse but wouldn't that make me kind of dumb for having such a cynical view?

    I might think that it is dumb for anyone to pursue an long term education, relationship or set long term goals of any kind because at any moment they can be killed some how or die of natural causes so why not live day by day only with no sense of limitations on ones behavior but wouldn't I seem kind of dumb for asking such a question not even knowing my own destiny nor the destiny of any other person about whom I chose to judge?


    I agree that are closed minded religious and non religious people in the world so I hope that the questioner is prepared to change the world and bring enlightenment to the masses but first to himself.

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  • by iwnit on January 12th, 2008

    iwnit

    1) Even if you present this as a question, you consider the possibility that Christian and Muslim could be dumm. This will probably offend them, so do not wonder about the downratings.


    2) I think what you are saying is this:
    1. Faith means: do not question, just follow what is written in the book.
    2. Christians and Muslims base their belief on faith
    3. If you base their belief on faith, you are dumb
    Logical conclusion:
    Christians and Muslims are dumb


    3) Holy books will mostly be considered with great respect. But they are not great help for the development of science. Some readings could even lead to scientific nonsense.
    "do not question, just follow what is written in the book" is for me not faith, but a book based fundamentalism:
    "The term "fundamentalism" was originally coined to describe a narrowly defined set of beliefs that developed into a movement within the US Protestant community in the early part of the 20th century. These religious principles stood in opposition to the modernist movement and espoused the strict adherence to and faith in religious "fundamentals".
    The term "fundamentalist" has since been generalized to mean strong adherence to any set of beliefs in the face of criticism or unpopularity, but has by and large retained religious connotations (especially since the Iranian revolution, when Islamic fundamentalism became a term used to explain the political Islamic movement based on fundamental Islamic beliefs). The collective use of the term fundamentalist to describe non-Christian movements has offended some Christians who desire to retain the original definition: These critics strongly object to being grouped with what they see as widely divergent philosophies. "Fundamentalist" has also been used pejoratively against those who hold an intransigent set of beliefs. The term has been used to characterize religious advocates as clinging to a stubborn, entrenched position that defies reasoned argument or contradictory evidence."
    Source and further information:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalism

    Faith is also something totally different than this. Here a presentation of different views about faith:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith


    4) I do not think that the statement in your question is true, in the form where it is formulated.
    My own formulation would be:
    The combination of book based fundamentalism with scientific blindness is dumb and even dangerous.
    However, only few Christians or Moslem are followers of this perverse kind of "book based fundamentalism".

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  • by lazaruslong138 on January 12th, 2008

    lazaruslong138

    i am an atheist so i dont share any beliefs-that being said i think that you shouldnt group people together and try to label them like that-might want to take them one at a time-i have met and am friends with many who profess beliefs in different things-i may not agree with them but they are not stupid-wouldnt be my friend if they were----just my thoughts---smile and enjoy the day

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  • by singwell-is off researching a lot on January 12th, 2008

    singwell-is off researching a lot

    Just because people have faith does not make them stupid. In the case of Christians, faith means "trusting in something that there is adeuquate proof will hold up." Like a chair. You sit on chairs every day in the belief that, given the information you have on furniture makers, the chair will hold your weight. And even if one eventually breaks on you, it is unlikely to shake your faith that the chair was made to stand, that some other reason must exist for that particular chair not to have.
    If you look through the ranks of most professions, sciences and other academics, you will find many many Christians at the head of their peers.

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  • by BROADWAYTHECAT on December 27th, 2008

    BROADWAYTHECAT

    No, your statement is not true...or at least the part that I can make sense out of is not true. God expects us to have questions and the Bible is full of answers. He also answers our questions through prayer.

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  • by Evil Genius on May 16th, 2009

    Evil Genius

    Muslims are not dumb because they have complete book of guide. It tells us about lawful and unlawful things. It helps us to know the difference between every thing. It guides us. This is the book which is till the judgement day. Who will follow its instructions, he will be sucessful in his real life which is "HELL" or "PARADISE".

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  • by Roger Kovaciny on January 21st, 2008

    Roger Kovaciny

    Christians base their beliefs on historical facts such as the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth. Lots of other things follow from that.

    Muslims, in most cases, are Muslims because their ancestors preferred Islam to death. And for that matter, even today the penalty for leaving Islam is death, in all four schools of Islamic jurisprudence.

    An Answerbag bug won't let me post this answer to "god of hellfire" in the comments thread, so I'm adding it to the original post:

    Well, "god of hellfire," if you'd investigate the historical documents and their credibility, you'd find that it is as well documented as any fact of antiquity. St. Luke wrote two books of the Bible and Luke is one of the finest historians ever. St. Peter wrote two books of the Bible as well as being responsible for most of Mark's Gospel and he not only submitted to crucifixion, he allowed his wife to be crucified rather than say it was all fables and illusions. Matthew & John were also eyewitnesses. St. Paul was flogged five times, beaten with branches once and finally beheaded rather than deny the resurrection. St. Thomas doubted it at first, because Thomas had an identical twin and thought that perhaps some ringer masqueraded as Jesus--changing his hair style and perhaps color, micmicking his voice and perhaps even buying the robe from the Roman soldier who got it as a bonus for being on the death squad--but then he felt the nail-holes and the spear-wound in his side, and stopped his doubting. And many thousands in Jerusalem came to believe in it after it happened.

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