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by brswes on April 28th, 2006

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There are two outs with runners on second and third base. The batter hits a home run over the fence, but misses first base and the umpire calls him out on the appeal. Do the two runs score?

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  • by Henry Hascup on April 28th, 2006

    Henry Hascup

    NO!

    No run shall score during a play in which the third out is made by the batter runner before he touches first base.

    Here's an Example I found:

    One out, Jones on second, Smith on first. The batter, Brown, hits safely. Jones scores. Smith is out on the throw to the plate. Two outs. But Brown missed first base. The ball is thrown to first, an appeal is made, and Brown is out. Three outs. Since Jones crossed the plate during a play in which the third out was made by the batter runner before he touched first base, Jones' run does not count.

    http://www.baseball.ch/2003/AS/HE/RE/rule12.htm

    It would be the same if the batter hit a home run & missed first base. No run shall score during a play in which the third out is made by the batter runner before he touches first base.

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  • by Griff on February 9th, 2008

    Griff

    Its all about the force play. I actually was an umpire for the last 10 years and was quite fun (just local youth leagues). Lets say for instance a runner at 1st and runner at 3rd 2 outs... The batter hits the ball into the gap but the runner at first steps over (instead of actually touching) 2nd base. Since 2nd base is a forced play if a player touches 2nd at anytime before the next ball is thrown that player is out and any runs that would have resulted are dismissed. This applies specifically on a force play only. Lets say the same runner at first misses 3rd instead of 2nd the run scores but he is out and any runs that would have followed him are dismissed.

    Basically if there isnt a force play (where a guy just has to touch the base for the player to be called out) then the run will count. If there is a force play the player must SAFELY advance to the next base (Doesnt mean beyond as he isnt forced to advance more than 1 base) the run wouldnt count.

    Lets say there is no appeal despite the player missing 2nd. The pitcher throws the next pitch to a new better the previous play is now dead and officially completed. All runners who have advanced (legally or illegally as deemed by the umpires and the rule book) keep their positions they have taken and all runs scored count.

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  • by dalcowfan22 on November 23rd, 2006

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    yes, the 2 runs count but the batter is recorded out and his run does not count. jed1979 makes a very good point, if the batter misses a base that is not first base, his run counts because you cannot appeal it by stepping off the rubber and throwing to the bag, as it is not a force play.

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