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by Kevisaurus is a Carnotaurus today on December 13th, 2007

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Is Judas really to be blamed or to find fault with if he was responsible for the fulfillment of a prophecy made from ages way before his time?

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  • by thatsJustme on December 19th, 2007

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    I think God and Jesus knew he was a theif when they allotted him the position of an apostle. They knew his heart. That is why they chose him to fulfill the prophecy.

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  • by Jack Wallace on December 16th, 2007

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    The divinity of Christ AND the culpability of Judas "Divisive" questions? What Nonsense!

    Yes, there have been a few cranks on the fringes and well outside of Christianity that have questioned or denied Jesus' divinity and only two miniscule and shortlived heretical cults that EVER denied Judas' culpability, but for 99.999% of all people who have ever called themsevles Christian, these doctrines are not questioned, debated, or denied at all, but passionately and emphatically affirmed. (In fact, you can't be a Christian if you deny the deity of Christ: that's the whole point of the ecumenical Creeds and your Baptismal (or Confirmation) oath!)

    That being said, in answer to the question as asked, it's the matter of freewill and intent. As Joseph says to his brothers in Genesis: "YOU meant it for evil, but the LORD meant it for good." What Judas did he did because he chose to, and his motives were anything but honorable, nore was it some strange form obedience to Jesus or the Will of God. He did it because he was crook and a scoundrel who'd grown disatisfied with Jesus' brand of Messianism as a means of promoting his (Judas') personal fortunes. The Gospels are absolutely clear on this point. The only way to get "another Judas" is by selectively ignoring key and clear statements from the ONLY source of evidence we have on the matter.

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  • by thatsJustme on February 11th, 2008

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    You know, I been thinking about Judas and Peter. Cain and Abel...open-mindedly.
    Abel did not have will power...he could of realized "what sacrifice pleased God" and did right, instead , his rage and jealousy {self control} caused him to kill his brother....
    Judas betrayed Christ , but so did Peter, Christ forgave Peter and HE would have forgave Judas, Judas CHOSE to kill himself(which is wrong) but Peter ask FORGIVENESS (which was right). It is what we CHOOSE...
    Christ KNEW of Judas , but HE also KNEW of Peter...It is ALL PROPHECY and EXAMPLE...WE all have decisions, right and wrong, come to HIM or don't, it does not MATTER what we have done, if in our heart we are sorry AND CHOOSE TO "COME TO HIM" , he knows IF WE ARE SINCERE. HE is not going to "draw near" until HE DOES...
    So, yes , Judas was prophecy, Jesus knew HE would not ask FORGIVENESS , just like HEknew Peter would. Christ is ALL KNOWING given to HIM by the FATHER..They are ONE in the SPIRIT.

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  • by Anonymous on December 18th, 2007

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    My understanding of the Bible is that it holds two truths:

    1) God is in control of all reality. Nothing is outside of it.

    2) Humans have real choice, and thus are held accountable by God for their actions.

    For example, take the death of Jesus. Peter the apostle says to the crowd at Jerusalem that Jesus "was handed over to you by God's set purpose and foreknowledge, and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross".
    (NIV) Acts 2:23.

    Here, we see that Christ's death was God's plan, AND that the audience was held accountable.

    I admit, it is very hard to get your head around it. I struggle with it too. But if Scripture holds these two truths side by side, then, as a Bible-believing Christian, so will I.

    Plus, to diminish one or the other leads to unBiblical views. Stressing only point 1 can lead to fatalism (e.g God's in control. What He has determined will happen, thus theres no point in making choices). Stressing only point 2 can lead to a diminished view of God. (e.g There are some things outside God's control, and He is not the All-powerful Ruler of reality. This kind of god is too small and not the God of the Bible).

    One way I have tried to understand it is by thinking "God is so powerful that He can maintain complete control over all things AND at the same time preserve our real choice. It cuts against my logic a little, but He is SO SO powerful that He can maintain both control and choice.

    So then, is Judas to be held accountable? Yes, I think so.

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  • by cancon on December 14th, 2007

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    Other then the Divinity of Christ, you could not pick a more theologically divisive question.

    There are camps that support a theory that Judas was an instrument of God, doing something that “had” to be done in order to accomplish the greater deed, ultimately resulting in bringing salvation to all man kind through the death, as atonement at the cross by Jesus Christ, so he is not to be blamed…

    The opposite camp to this theory of course is then that if Judas deed is forgiven, then Satan also ultimately should be forgiven, because the scripture plainly states that “Satan” entered Judas, just before he sold out Christ… so he (Satan) was the ultimately responsible for Judas committing the treason.

    Third camp questions even the possibility of redemption without the “villain”, is it possible? If so, how without it would the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ transpired, or would God had to find a different way of redemption.

    My answer to all this is, look at the clouds – they would not be possible with out the “dirt” in the atmosphere to which water vapor can affix it self, falling down as a rain.

    Or, look at a majestic oak tree, the beautiful site is supported by just as big underground “system” called roots, which although is unsightly and covered, it’s actually essential for the beauty that is visible above ground.

    My hope is in knowing that God ultimately judges the hearts of man. On this side of Jordan, wee see the underlay of His works, we can’t (for now) see the whole picture. One day we will tough, until then, Faith in Him will have to suffice….

    Good (brave) question....

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  • by Dan378 on September 22nd, 2008

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    Judas made a decision in his heart. Jesus told him to go and do what was in his heart, but it wasnt a commandment. Judas was aware of the consequences, and even had a strong since of guilt afterward. His actions are his.
    As Christ said, "the offences must come, but woe unto them by whom they come."

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  • by NayNow on September 20th, 2008

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    The profecy only said that someone would betry Jesus, it did'nt have to be judas. He had free will, and he chose to be the one to betray him for 30 peaces of silver.

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  • by KagomeShuko on December 19th, 2007

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    blamed? Well, yeah. Yet, maybe not in the way some thing. We can't really know that.

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