Do Mormons believe that the only people they can be absolutely open with are fellow Mormons?

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• Thanks for the reply! It sounds completely rational and correct.

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  by Anonymous on April 6th, 2006

• Great response, littlenemelka. I’m not sure who took your points away, but I gave back what I could. (Not that you seem to be around any more.) ;-)

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  by the Otter on July 28th, 2008

• Interesting enough Wicka, Mormon, and Catholic are all cults.

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on August 30th, 2009

• Christ’s Church has always been a cult, JoeFraud. That’s the whole point of the Bible.

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  by the Otter on August 31st, 2009

• Can you explain that comment? Or just elaborate? That is quite a notion to just throw out there.

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on August 31st, 2009

• Look up the word “cult.”
   
     “a system of religious belief and worship” (The New Webster Encyclopedic Dictionary of the
      EnglishLanguage)
   
  …or if you don’t like that:
   
     “• a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object
     “• a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as
          strange or sinister” (Oxford American Dictionary)
   
  …or if you don’t like that, perhaps you’ll find comfort in the old English saying:
   
  “A cult is a church down the street from your church.” ^_^
   
  Ironically, I also found this at ReligiousTolerance.org:
   
     “A small, recently created, religious organization which is often headed by a single charismatic
      leader and is viewed as an spiritually innovative group. A cult in this sense may simply be a new
      religious movement on its way to becoming a denomination. The Christian religion, as it existed
      in 30 CE might be considered a cult involving one leader and 12 or 70 devoted disciples as
      followers. The Mormon denomination was started in the 19th century by Joseph Smith and a
      few followers; it met this definition of ‘cult’ but has since grown to become an established
      denomination of about 15 million members.”
   
  HTH!

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  by the Otter on August 31st, 2009

• A lot of words have dictionary meaning. Yet, you and I know exactly what is meant when I say that the Mormon Church is a cult. This would be in the same referance as Jim Jones, Moonies, JW's or Heaven's Gate.
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  If I tell you I am going to the can. Are you going to look in the dictionary and discover that I am going to a soup can. No, you know exactly what I am saying there. And here.

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on August 31st, 2009

• Of course I know what you’re saying. It’s just that the word you’re using has two fairly different meanings: the one you intended, which is obviously inaccurate; and the one I used, which is obviously accurate.
   
  I guess the question then becomes: would you prefer to make an untenable and wholly indefensible claim, thus making yourself look ignorant; or would you prefer to make a wholly accurate claim, thus making yourself look intelligent? It’s your choice, JF.

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  by the Otter on September 1st, 2009

• Blah Blah Blah. What ever the definition may be. The general use of the word "CULT" is to define a mind controlling and or mentally damaging religious group. I realize it may be hard sometimes to take things in context... that is the context I am using the word. You are attempting to twist it to reflect your meaning and or point. I am done with this word cult. In the sense that I do not want to discuss what I mean by it. From here forth and hither, you shall be informed that if I use the term "Cult", I am referring to a mind controlling and/or evil and/or mentally destructive religious organization. If I am incorrect in my usage... shame on me.

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on September 1st, 2009

• The LDS religion is a CULT.

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on September 1st, 2009

• Okay, let’s use your definition. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is based on two points:
   
  1) Figure out for yourself whether or not the Church is true.
  2) If anyone—including a Church leader—tells you whether or not it’s true, see #1.
   
  On the other hand, most religious organizations I’ve seen are also based on two points:
   
  1) Our church leaders tell the truth,.
  2) If you ever doubt this, see #1.
   
  So how, again, does the Church of Jesus Christ qualify as a “cult” when—oh, let’s say, your religion—does not?

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  by the Otter on September 13th, 2009

• A key point is "your religion".
  My reference is the bible, Gods word. No matter how you attempt to spin your words, your religion is no more Christian than Scientology. As for your two points. You do not figure out if the church is true or not. You have based your entire eternity on a feeling that is completely UN reliable. While ignoring the abundant evidence to the contrary. And if that were not enough for you, just reading the bible and using it as a reference, proves over and over Joseph lied to you. You are the head of your household. You will be there in front of God when you die. Joey is not going to be there with you. Jesus is going to tell you, I do not know you.
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  Your points are erronious at best. I do not take what someone says and just reun with it. I compare it with the bible, if it is not inline I call that person out. I don't care who it is. I am not a Morg or a Sheeple, I am a Christian.
  http://www.religion-cults.com/Cults/Christian/C-CULTS.htm

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on September 14th, 2009

• Why do so many people say that personal revelation is unreliable? As if when we pray for an answer we will be answered by some devil or demon instead of by God. Such a notion is in complete contradiction with the Bible:
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  "And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
  For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
  If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
  Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
  If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?" Luke 11:9-13
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  After Christ has told us that, how can we possibly think that when we ask God if something is true he will sit idly by while the devil gives us false revelation

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  by John Cox will be back April 6th 2013 on October 13th, 2009

• JohnCox
  Personal Revelation can be reliable. Only if it aligns with scripture though.
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  If you ask God if something is true, after he has already told you the answer. I do not believe he will elaborate with a new answer.
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  God, is it true you are God? God, should I worship Satan?
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  These two questions are examples of things that God IMHO would not bother answering. Because scripture already deals with both. If you did not wish to believe the scripture, why would you bother believing God when he answers you regarding these things now?
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  God, should I marry so and so? God should I take this job? If you ask earnestly, I believe the Holy Spirit would lay on your heart the answer to these two example questions.

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on October 13th, 2009

• God does not make mistakes. So, if someone tells you something and that it is from God. Do not be blind and just except it as truth. Compare this information against God's word. The bible that has stood the test of time.

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on October 13th, 2009

• "Personal Revelation can be reliable. Only if it aligns with scripture though"
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  I'm of the mind that scripture is reliable only if it is confirmed by God. Without personal revelation I couldn't give any more credit to what the Bible or Book of Mormon says than the Koran or a Wiccan spell book.
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  "God does not make mistakes. So, if someone tells you something and that it is from God. Do not be blind and just except it as truth."
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  I wouldn't dream of it, that's why I rely on God, who has proven faithful my whole life, to show me things I can not see.

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  by John Cox will be back April 6th 2013 on October 13th, 2009

• What exactly did you just say? How do you discern whether you are receiving Revelation from God or a false god? Did Jesus Christ lie?

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on October 13th, 2009

• "I'm of the mind that scripture is reliable only if it is confirmed by God."
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  This is your free pass to accept new doctrine. By saying and or agreeing with this premiss, you are saying that jesus lied. You are elevating your wisdom above that of Jesus Christ.

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on October 13th, 2009

• "By saying and or agreeing with this premiss, you are saying that Jesus lied. You are elevating your wisdom above that of Jesus Christ"
  I don't see how... As I recall Jesus extended the invitation to ask, seek, and knock and He would answer. What I don't remember Him saying is "if any man give you a Bible and says it is of me, accept it, because if they say it's from me it must be and I don't lie."
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  "What exactly did you just say?"
  What I said in essense is that God has more authority than any book ever written. If God were to tell me that the Book of Mormon or the Bible were a load of rubbish and the more accurate account was the Epic of Gilgamesh... Well I'd side with God. Of course I'd have some question as to why I'd already been told the Bible and Book of Mormon were true.
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  "How do you discern whether you are receiving Revelation from God or a false god?"
  Well that is a very important question. I start by trusting that God is in fact the most powerful being in the Universe, and that He loves me enough to answer.
  If those are both true I can be sure that God will answer, and no false God is going to be able to hijack communication between God and I.
  Know that I know the Bible is true it becomes even easier, we are told in the above Luke scripture and several other places that when we ask for the Holy Spirit God will not send us an evil one. Also we are told what we should expect to accompany such true revelation in Galatians 5.
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  As final confirmation of my faith, God has promised, with ever commandment He has given, specific blessings and every time I've obeyed a commandment from God I've recieved the blessing just as promised. That's what I mean when I say God has proven faithful all my life.
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  Did Jesus Christ lie?
  Never once in all of eternity.

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  by John Cox will be back April 6th 2013 on October 14th, 2009

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• I meant to put the word "different" betwwen "completely" and "religions"

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  by Anonymous on July 27th, 2008

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• If these things are kept secret YOU would not know of them.
  Your statement does not hold water since it depends on knowing things you cannot know.

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  by edndori on August 28th, 2009

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• "organized crime part of the church"??? Have you been into Brother Joseph's argot? Her response (taken out of context) sounds like it could have been meant as a joke along the lines of "I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you".

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  by laie_techie on August 30th, 2009

• By the way- she was not the only one I talked to about the mormons being into organized crime. And if you, as a mormon, do not really know about it- then you're just not talking to the right members.

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  by Anonymous on August 31st, 2009

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