If God does exist and all who accept Jesus into thier lives make it to heaven, and assuming they did, what would you say to people like Hitler, Bin-Laden, Sadam, Khan ect?
Could you also forgive them?

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• May I ask where you are from?
  As for the forgiving thing, I agree it is harder to forgive someone who personally affected you in one way or another than to forgive someone who hurt other people. However, Hitler effected about 90% of people on this planet so I am pretty sure he personally effected you.

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  by slothmister on May 2nd, 2008

• I'm from Pittsburgh originally. And "affected by" is by no means the same as "hurt by", and neither necessitates "wronged by". My father and my 3 uncles all fought in WWII, and I guarantee you none of them ever felt wronged by Hitler. My youngest uncle who was a nose-gunner and sometimes bombardier (and who holds the record for successful missions over Germany: 76 when a tour was 23) still says he did far more to hurt Germany and Hitler than they ever did to hurt him. As good die-hard "rule of law", minimalist government, anti-Communist, "Jeffersonian Democrats" (what are now Ron Paul Republicans), I assure you they all hated Roosevelt far more than they ever hated Hitler, and with just cause. ~ Jack

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  by Stormarm on May 3rd, 2008

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• So you would forgive Osama Bin Laden if he said "sorry"? I think not!

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  by slothmister on October 5th, 2007

• As I said ,I forgive all,and it is not my place or inclination to despise people.

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  by jin jang on October 5th, 2007

• So, if I walked up to your house and rapped your family and kids, tortured you to the point off death, but then let you live.
  I then said "terribly sorry", you would forgive me?
  NO YOU WOULD NOT!

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  by slothmister on October 5th, 2007

• Why the ridiculous scenarios,or is a method to try to prove a point.I don't buy into these types of discussions.They are not impressive nor sway my thinking.You don't know me and is see past these sort of tactics..

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  by jin jang on October 5th, 2007

• There is no tactics at all, I am just trying to work out what is happening in your head.
  Your answer to my question would obviously be NO. Therefore your original answer is wrong.

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  by slothmister on October 5th, 2007

• It's your opinion,have a nice day.

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  by jin jang on October 5th, 2007

• You too. TY for an interesting thread even if we did not come to an agreement.

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  by slothmister on October 6th, 2007

• Interesting that in a reported attempt to discern what is in your mind, slothmister has decided to project into your mind what was in his.
  
  This seems a failure of imagination. The Amish community members whose daughters were killed at school by the crazed murderer in Pennsylvania last year were able to forgive him and quickly offered solace to his bereaved family, even while they were in the early stages of their own grief.
  
  This is one public example of a human capacity that has apparently escaped slothmister's notice. Another is the fear expressed by tortured Buddhist monks that during their painful ordeal, they would forget to love those who tortured them. Another is South Africa's Truth & Reconciliation Commission.
  
  Such values exist in individuals & communities, although they are not the majority. By denying this human potential, slothmister appears to condemn humanity to an eternal eye-for-an-eye slugfest. The only way to bring it to an end is to introduce forgiveness.

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  by NH Baritone on October 6th, 2007

• By the way, I, too, am an atheist.

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  by NH Baritone on October 6th, 2007

• Thanks for your comment NH Baritone,it was very insightful.

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  by jin jang on October 6th, 2007

• It is true I can not picture anyone who can ever forgive someone else for raping their children.
  If anyone ever did that to my kids I would treat them so bad I would be destined to an eternity in Hell and you know what? I WOULD ENJOY EVERY SECOND OF IT!
  If there are people that are able to forgive this sort of crime then they certainly would not be anyone I would ever deal with.
  Good luck to them.

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  by slothmister on October 6th, 2007

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• And that is why I dont believe!
  Your god there, is a selfish biggot.

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  by slothmister on October 5th, 2007

• How is He selfish if He bled and died for humanity and held all of the sins of humanity upon Himself? That is the most selfless act ever is it not?

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  by ...trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. on October 5th, 2007

• No it is not!
  It is the most selfish act ever!
  "If you dont worship me then you will spend eternity in hell!"
  The stuff you talked about in your comment simply gave him a reason to make gullible people like yourself feel guilty!
  That in itself is a selfish act.

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  by slothmister on October 6th, 2007

• you asked the question yourself. Could you also forgive them? Ya, there are horrible people in the world, but we are forgiven, and anybody who comes to believe can go to heaven! It's just the way parents act towards their kids!

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  by calova on October 6th, 2007

• Jesus Christ is God come in the flesh, slothmister. He who created you took the penalty for your sin and my sin. That is not one bit selfish. He was stripped and beaten and scourged and then bled and died on an old rugged, cursed tree for you and I. He was forsaken by the Father for you and I. How is that selfish to endure such unbelivable pain and taste of hell for a mere fallen race of sinners?

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  by ...trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. on October 6th, 2007

• Read my last comment, it explains exactly why it was a selfish act!

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  by slothmister on October 6th, 2007

• I already did before posting my comment above.

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  by ...trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. on October 6th, 2007

• Obviously you did not or you can not understand plain English.

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  by slothmister on October 6th, 2007

• Yes, I read it, and I find it illogical that any one would bleed, suffer, be beaten, scourged, stripped, mocked, spat upon, betrayed, despised by all men and rejected, hated, forsaken by God and everyone else as well, and nailed to bleed and die on the old rugged cross for our sins alll to make people feel guilty and have personal gain. That is just ridiculas and pointless--and totally unworth it. Jesus did all that for us because He is selfless towards us and He loves us and wants us to be saved and live forever with Him.

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  by ...trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. on October 6th, 2007

• The fact (according all religious people I have spoken too, Christians and Catholics at least) that you need to "accept Jesus as your saviour" BEFORE you are allowed into heaven, regardless of the life you have led, is SELFISH!
  I dont care about what allegedly happened when he was alive 2000 years ago.

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  by slothmister on October 7th, 2007

• It is only just, sir. If I were a criminal in court and I had done numerous crimes that I were guilty of, and the judge told me I owed a fine of $50,000, and I was broke and unable to pay, then I would have to go to prison. But then, if some man that I did not even know came in and said "Your Honor, here is $50,000. I am paying the fine for him because I love him" and the judge said to me "will you accept that this man has paid your debt?", if I were to say "Yes, Your Honor" then I would be free to go, but then if I were to say "No, Your Honor" then I would have to pay for my crime. It would only be just.

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  by ...trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. on October 7th, 2007

• seriously, would you like for example give money to somebody who didn't respect you, and you would know that they would be ungrateful? It's the same thing as believing in Jesus Christ.

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  by calova on October 7th, 2007

• Jesus loved me more than anything, more than Himself, so believing in Him is worth it. He greatly rewards those that believe in and follow Him, and faith pleases Him greatly. In fact, the Bible teaches us that without faith it is impossible to please Him.

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  by ...trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. on October 7th, 2007

• You see thats why he is a selfish man!
  "He greatly rewards those that believe in and follow Him". So if someone chooses not to believe him simply for the FACT that there is no proof he exists then he does not reward them in any way and in fact, punishes them by sending them to an eternity in Hell.
  That definition of Jesus (as quoted DIRECTLY from you) is SELFISH!

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  by slothmister on October 7th, 2007

• To not follow Him would be selfish of me, so really, I would be the selfish one not to follow Him because He died for me.

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  by ...trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. on October 7th, 2007

• But he did not die for you! He died 2000 years before you were even born!
  Your argument is flawed, it has no facts, nothing you claim can be verified.
  I suggest we leave this as it is now, but feel free to comeback and discuss more if you realise that your Jesus is selfish and decide to change your beliefs.

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  by slothmister on October 7th, 2007

• Jesus did die for me, sir, because He knew who I was before I was even born. He created me. He is God Almighty and He knew that I would be born one day and that I would be a sinner rebellious towards Him and He took my and your sin upon Himself and paid the debt for them in full by His shed blood and death on the cross nearly 2,000 years before my birth and yours, and I would rather die the most painful of deaths than renouce my faith in Jesus Christ my Lord and Saviour.

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  by ...trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. on October 7th, 2007

• You are welcome to your medi-evil beliefs.

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  by slothmister on October 7th, 2007

• And you are entitled to your's, sir.

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  by ...trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. on October 7th, 2007

• even the devil believes jesus christ is the savior, does that mean he gets into heaven too?

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  by Anonymous on October 24th, 2008

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• I did not ask if it was for us to forgive, I asked if YOU specificaly could forgive.
  So, could you and would you forgive these evil men if you met them in heaven?

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  by slothmister on September 16th, 2007

• It is hypothetical and so I can only give hypothetical answers and they will probably change from time to time and due to circumstance! therefore idealistically yes but practically I am not so sure!

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  by peterpam on September 16th, 2007

• Good answer :)

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  by slothmister on September 16th, 2007

• Whew I am pleased we finally got there!

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  by peterpam on September 16th, 2007

• And after only 1 comment each! lol

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  by slothmister on September 16th, 2007

• It seemed like it might be a long string coming up!

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  by peterpam on September 16th, 2007

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• It is of no help at all, it is a complete load of crap, but then I expect nothing less from you!
  TY for your answer.

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  by slothmister on October 5th, 2007

• You're welcome, sir.

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  by ...trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. on October 5th, 2007

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• EXCELLENT

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  by koldkanuck on September 29th, 2008

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• So you like to practice blind obedience? That used to be called slavery.

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  by slothmister on September 19th, 2008

• Nothing blind about it. Do your children obey you out of blind obedience, or love? I forgive because I was forgiven, and because it is expected of me. Whether it was Hitler or the person who ransacked my home while I was at church, their fate is God's concern, not mine.

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  by LarryH54 on September 19th, 2008

• My children are 3yo and 1yo and I am sure they obey me for a mixture of the two.
  As for you loving god, how can you love someone you have never had any contact with?

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  by slothmister on September 19th, 2008

• That's where believers and unbelievers differ. I've been in contact with Him almost all of my life. But you cannot accept that as a possibility.

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  by LarryH54 on September 19th, 2008

• Can you explain anything he has done for you?

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  by slothmister on September 19th, 2008

• You want the short list? He saved my physical life when I was a teen, saved the life of one whom my inattention almost killed when I was in my 20's, led me to innumerable joyful situations, saved my job several times, etc. etc.

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  by LarryH54 on September 19th, 2008

• Hoe precisely did he save your life?

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  by slothmister on September 19th, 2008

• That's personal, and not for public display. Now the kid I almost killed is another story. I was going to music practice, when a kid ran out from between 2 parked cars. My hand moved the steering wheel before I even realized there was a problem. I saw the kid *after* the car's trajectory changed.

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  by LarryH54 on September 19th, 2008

• Fair enough on your life being saved, I will not pry.
  As for the child and you in the car, I put it down to you seeing him, acting instinctively and then realising what happened. An event of such high stress can effect your minds recollection of an event.

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  by slothmister on September 19th, 2008

• Deny all you want, that doesn't change the truth. I was there. You were not.

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  by LarryH54 on September 19th, 2008

• And that is the difference between a believer and a none believer, rational thought (me) and irrational assumptions (yourself).

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  by slothmister on September 19th, 2008

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• Ahhh good point! I was looking for a little bit of a funny answer, but yours is spot on! Thank you

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  by slothmister on September 11th, 2007

• Sorry, In a serious mood tonight :-)

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  by Rince on September 11th, 2007

• lol np, great answer though, seriously! I wish I could give you more than 6

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  by slothmister on September 11th, 2007

• Jesus taught us that if we do not forgive other men their tresspassed then our Father will not forgive us for ours(this is not word for word, but He said that in the Bible).

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  by ...trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. on October 5th, 2007

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• Well then you need to read more than the broadsheet newspapers.

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  by slothmister on May 2nd, 2008

• This may come as a surprise to you, but I have also read narrowsheet newspapers. Also history books and other materials. This may come as another surprise to you, but virtually everything written about highly political people like these is written as one-sided political propaganda.

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  by rodschmidt on May 3rd, 2008

• Not at all.
  Yes the majority of what we get in the English language will be anti-Hitler (ect) but not everything was that way and you need to read some of the more neutral articles/papers on them in order to make a neutral decision.
  Not only that, but Hitler (and I use him specifically) effecting just about EVERYONE on this planet in one way or another. It could be anything from the death of a relative to the oppression of a religion (which btw grew tenfold AFTER WW2).
  I seriously doubt you have never been effected by any of these people and even claiming so is an extremely silly thing to claim.

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  by slothmister on May 3rd, 2008