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Well I'm sure that the LDS Church finds the tithes get from Bill Marriott and the other LDS officers and employees of Marriott Casinos (now conveniently located all over the world - but never in the United States) QUITE acceptable! "Plundering the Egyptians" I suppose (and even LITERALLY in the case of the Aruba Casino I suspect) is the rationalization.
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However, this is interesting in light of this article from LDS Apologist W. John Walsh:
Latter-day Saints reject all forms of gambling as a pernicious evil to society. The First Presidency has stated:
“The Church has been and now is unalterably opposed to gambling in any form whatever. It is opposed to any game of chance, occupation, or so-called business, which takes money from the person who may be possessed of it without giving value received in return. It is opposed to all practices the tendency of which is to encourage the spirit of reckless speculation, and particularly to that which tends to degrade or weaken the high moral standard which the members of the Church, and our community at large, have always maintained. We therefore advise and urge all members of the Church to refrain from participation in any activity which is contrary to the view herein set forth.”[1]
Latter-day Saint opposition to gambling is rooted in key theological principles. The ultimate purpose of life is for us to fulfill all the prerequisites which will enable us to enter into godhood—“having all divine attributes and doing as God does and being as God is”[2]—in the afterlife. To help us acquire these needed divine attributes, our Heavenly Father has constructed a plan of salvation which enables us to obtain them.
One of the required divine attributes is the ability to work: “For behold, this is [the Lord’s] work and [his] glory--to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.”[3] The Lord works in eternity and we must develop this aptitude within ourselves. President Ezra Taft Benson taught:
“One of the first principles revealed to father Adam when he was driven out of the Garden of Eden was this: ‘In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground’ (Genesis 3:19). All we obtain in life of a material nature comes as a product of labor and the providence of God. Work produces life's necessities.”[4]
By learning to work in mortality, we develop a capacity which we will take with us in the afterlife.
Since gambling is founded upon the “desire to get something of value for little or nothing,”[5] it cultivates within us a spirit which opposes the divine ability to work for that which we desire. Also, gambling is “destructive of the finer sensitivities of the soul”[6] in that it encourages us to manipulate and somehow vanquish our fellow man instead of showing love and compassion for him. Instead of a spirit of love, gambling cultivates a spirit of craftiness and contention. The prophets have taught that “every man should love his neighbor as himself, that there should be no contention among them.”[7]
In addition to the spiritual harm that occurs personally to the gambler, gambling also has broader negative effects to society at large. Gamblers, especially those with addictions, frequently squander family resources needed for other purposes thus depriving other family members of their own rights and privileges. Also, “[t]he underworld of gambling and vice are constantly and unrelentingly exploiting the innocent and unsuspecting.”[8] The First Presidency has noted:
“There can be no question about the moral ramifications of gambling, including government-sponsored lotteries. Public lotteries are advocated as a means of relieving the burden of taxation. It has been demonstrated, however, that all too often lotteries only add to the problems of the financially disadvantaged by taking money from them and giving nothing of value in return. The poor and the elderly become victims of the inducements that are held out to purchase lottery tickets on the remote chance of winning a substantial prize. It is sad to see governments now promoting what they once enacted laws to forbid. We urge members of the Church to join with others with similar concerns in opposing the legalization of gambling and government-sponsorship of lotteries.”[9]
(See Basic Beliefs home page; Doctrines of the Gospel home page)
[1] Letter of the First Presidency issued on September 21, 1925 by Heber J. Grant, Anthony W. Ivins, Charles W. Nibley. Quoted in James R. Clark, ed., Messages of the First Presidency, Vol. 5, p. 245.
[2] "Godhood" K. Codell Carter, Encyclopedia of Mormonism, New York: Macmillan Publishing Company, 1992.
[3] Moses 1:39, Pearl of Great Price, Salt Lake City, Utah: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1981.
[4] Benson, E., Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, Salt Lake City, Utah: Bookcraft, 1988, p.474.
[5] Smith, J. Gospel Doctrine, Salt Lake City, Utah: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1919, p. 327.
[6] McConkie, B., Mormon Doctrine, Salt Lake City, Utah: Bookcraft, 1966, p. 302.
[7] Mosiah 23:15, Book of Mormon, Salt Lake City, Utah: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1981.
[8] Conference Report, Salt Lake City, Utah: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, October 1961, p. 22.
[9] Church News, Oct. 5, 1986, p. 4.
http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/basic/doctrines/gambling_eom.htm
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Note, this answer was originally posted in response to an answer that was posted by another user claiming that the Church actually operated casinos in parts of Utah. That answer has since been deleted. However, I am leaving the answer up to inform anyone else who may come here with the same erroneous belief.
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I think that it is important to note something about Anonymous's answer to this question. She states no sources for her assertions. All she states is hearsay. She also states that these casinos were operated in Utah during the 1980's and 90's. However, gambling has been illegal in Utah for decades, at least. They don't even have a state lottery or any Indian casinos. Additionally, I actually lived in Utah for most of the 90's. I never heard anything about Church operated casinos during that time.
So, you have to ask yourself, who are you going to believe on this? Someone who 1) has no evidence to back up her claims and 2) has shown that she will twist the Bible to say whatever she wants (http://tinyurl.com/dexl3) or people with first hand experience on the issue?
The church is solidly opposed to gambling. There's no reason to think that there'd be any exception for “charitable” instances of this foolish practice.
See: http://tinyurl.com/75pcs
I'm going to say no--because donating-to-the-poor doesn't justify gambling.
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"Well I'm sure that the LDS Church finds the tithes get from Bill Marriott and the other LDS officers and employees of Marriott Casinos... QUITE acceptable"
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Actually it's well known, in the church, that we aren't to pay tithing on gambling winnings. Since tithing is not a matter of public record, and since the church performs no investigation to see if tithing was accurately paid. Only Brother Marriott knows if he is paying tithing on his casino winnings.
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It's funny that you should use the phrase "Plundering the Egyptians" because it was a story of plunder that was used to explain to me why we should not pay tithes on gambling winnings:
"And Saul said unto Samuel, Yea, I have obeyed the voice of the Lord, and have gone the way which the Lord sent me, and have brought Agag the king of Amalek, and have utterly destroyed the Amalekites.
But the people took of the spoil, sheep and oxen, the chief of the things which should have been utterly destroyed, to sacrifice unto the Lord thy God in Gilgal.
And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams" 1 Samuel 15:20-22
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The people were commanded to take no spoils from the Amalekites, but they did anyway thinking it would be okay if they offered sacrifices. The Lord rejected their offerings, in a similar manner, I was taught, the Lord rejects tithing from gambling winnings because "to obey is better than sacrifice"
by John Cox on October 13th, 2009
Ah! Stupid dissappearing edit button, I meant to say "Only Brother Marriott and God know if he is paying tithing..."
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As for the employees, doctrinally as far as I know their tithes are accepted because they get paid not for winning or losing, but for dealing or spinning or security gaurding.
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Personally I have mixed feelings about the idea of working for a Casino. I think most would agree that it is wrong to be the "wheel man" for a bank robber, even if you never actually robbed a bank, and even if your pay was the same no matter how much the robbers got from the bank, but... Is it wrong to make a living dealing Black Jack if you think gambling is wrong? If so than a mormon shouldn't be a bartender or a barrister either. And then what about being a waiter in a resteraunt that serves alcohol or coffee? Or what about being a Casino security gaurd, or a bouncer at a bar?
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Sorry that's kind of off the path and besides the point. But I wonder is it ethical to work for a company you believe to be promoting something immoral?
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Actually I'm going to go ask that question.
by John Cox on October 13th, 2009
>It's funny that you should use the phrase "Plundering the Egyptians"<
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Actually I got it from Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and other Early Mormon Leaders who used the concept as justification for the Nauvoo Banking Scandal, using credit without paying it back in both Missouri and Illinois, and other nefarious ethical lapses during the 19th and early 20th Century.
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But, here I go again . . . back to Taxes.
(I'm still not done and AB is a TERRIBLE distraction)
by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on October 13th, 2009
ha ha isn't it though, I should be packing.
by John Cox on October 13th, 2009
>ha ha isn't it though, I should be packing<
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ROLOL!
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See what I mean? It's worse than crack!!!!
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(yes, my Tax Accountant is STILL waiting for more stuff - he's gonna kill me!)
by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on October 13th, 2009
"or a barrister either"
ha ha and I shouldn't be an English major. I meant barista you can tell how often I drink coffee. Or go to court for that matter.
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barrister: A lawyer admitted to plead at the bar in the superior courts.
barista: a person who works at the counter of a coffee shop; a coffee bar server
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But I suppose mormons still shouldn't be barristers either since we don't believe in selling our souls to the devil.
I kid, actually I know a lot of good lawyers, none that are alive.
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Sorry I saw the set-up and couldn't help myself, but seriously gotta love an ethical lawyer, one of my Young Mens leaders was a Lawyer and he's still alive and one of the most honest and trustworthy men I know.
by John Cox on October 14th, 2009
And yes answer bag is deffinately more addictive than crack.
by John Cox on October 14th, 2009
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Oh! Oh! Oh!
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What's that GREAT Joseph Smith quote about lawyers? I just found it:
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"Don't employ lawyers, or pay them money for their knowledge, for I have learned that they don't know anything."
-- History of the Church, Vol. 5, p.467
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Best Joseph Smith quote EVER!
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by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on October 14th, 2009