ANSWERS: 5
  • Asking a religious question from extreme view perspectives is a trolling question 😊
  • I agree to disagree with your question, cause based on your reference: "why religious people are against atheists." - not all religious people agree with each other anyway. Answerbag is a trolling site, so get used to it.
  • You answered your own question. Others who share your belief also deny that it's the atheists who launch their "in-your-face" attack against Christians, not Christians against Atheism. Your question falls along the lines of Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" - rule #4: "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules” by demanding Christians prove something that Atheists don't believe exists. You aren't engaging in open debate, because no amount of proof would ever satisfy you - you would go on to question it further, trying to back your adversary into a corner, following the protocol of rule #8: "Keep the pressure on. Never let up.”, as well as rule #12: "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” You're promoting Marxism.
    • Shadow
      Atheism is not a belief. It’s an awareness of the real world. I do not attack anyone so you have the wrong idea. Religious people never show proof in their claims as they are all words. They use a fairytale bible as an excuse to backup their ridiculous claims which does not mean anything.
    • Moving Violation
      Excellent Nov.30.2021
  • They think everyone should believe in God.
  • Quote two of your questions “Is it just me or do all atheists refer religious people as nut jobs?” “Why do religious nut jobs stereotype atheists for being angry?” Hence, I can only fathom the reason people do not engage with you is because you are insulting, not because you are an atheist.
    • Shadow
      Religious people see the term “religious nut job” as insulting because they can’t accept the accuracy of the term. They see things that are not really there in reality because they are delusional.
    • Creamcrackered
      No, they just see it as rude and dismissive, because it is, and you've just proved my point, thank you
    • Creamcrackered
      By the way Shadow, if you dare, go to the lucis trust website, read who funds it, the United Nations, it is the new WORLD religion, now click on the history, read it, then click on the esoteric meaning of Lucifer, then click on the article at the bottom Lucifer descent and sacrifice, then tell me they are intending a secular world? As I said before what do you know about Charles Darwin, and what he stood for, do you believe everything he said? How so many atheists know so little about their own belief, which is someone else's they have swallowed, and then call us gullible, it's a bad joke.
    • Shadow
      Atheism is not a belief. It’s an awareness that religious people fail to understand because the religious are brainwashed and misunderstand atheism. The term “religious nut job” is only seen as rude by anyone who is one
    • Creamcrackered
      Did you go to the lucis trust website, clearly not. I was an atheist for years and I used every argument you could make and more, I didn't just believe there was no God, I claimed I knew there was no God, I even debated atheists who claimed to be agnostic, clearly you've never read any of Charles Darwins books. Now take your example with regards to religious nut jobs and refer it to any other topic and whichever way you look at it is offensive. What's funny about atheism is it's aim, it's led you to believe you are nothing more than an animal, that there is no objective meaning to your life, and that there is objective right or wrong, just indifference and an agreed upon idea which is subject to change, what's great about atheism is it is super for eugenics, if I am in charge why can't I just do away with you as I would any form of cattle. Even the most intelligent men knew how dangerous atheism was. And to call people religious nut jobs because they believe in God, is quite funny considering all the atheists that gave you the idea were Rosicurians and Freemasons as you couldn't be part of the Lunar society, which became the Royal society without being one, and they are not atheist! Shows how little you know about atheism or the world about you and it's current plan.
    • Shadow
      If you believe in “god” you have been brainwashed by someone or a number of people. Atheism is not a claim. It’s religious people who initiate their claims based on their religious delusions. The term religious nut job is only offensive to those who are one. There is freedom in atheism because it’s about being open minded. I have listened to religious people waffle on about their religious bull$hit for most of my life so far. They are unconvincing because they can’t show physical evidence. They are full of meaningless words. Atheism is not dangerous. That’s bull$hit talk. I know a lot about atheism and its true definition which religious people fail to grasp because the religious are narrow minded and involved in their head rather than be open minded. The problem with being religious is that people like you are either against atheists or want war which is a problem in this world of people. I know very well about the world I live in. All I see is people who like to mess with each other’s heads because they are psychological bullies
    • Creamcrackered
      You are now waffling on you haven't answered one question I've put to you, and it's the same question shadow. Have you read any of Charles Darwins books or not, do you know anything about Charles Darwin? Did you go to the Lucis trust website and read who sponsors it, and the history, and about Lucifer and the solar angels and the plan for the world? I'm guessing all answers are NO. I have no problem with atheism, as I said I was one, however unlike you, I began to question all my beliefs as that requires intellectual honesty, or like YOU, all I'd be doing is swallowing someone else's idea. You cling to your belief, the same as a Christian without even questioning it, and defend it not by answering questions put to you, but by ridiculing the other person. All the questions I've asked you, you have never answered, you've deflected.
    • Creamcrackered
      Here I've even got the links https://www.lucistrust.org/ https://www.lucistrust.org/about_us/support_un https://www.lucistrust.org/about_us/history https://www.lucistrust.org/arcane_school/talks_and_articles/the_esoteric_meaning_lucifer https://www.lucistrust.org/arcane_school/talks_and_articles/descent_and_sacrifice Tell me your thoughts on it, just a normal conversation without any name calling, just tell me your thoughts?
    • Shadow
      I was reading about evolution according to Charles Darwin. It is interesting and I have similar views as Darwin. One thing that’s said about evolution is that all species are related but that’s nonsense because we are humans that were once humans the same applying to other species. Each species belong in their own group but not identical just like people have different views and mind sets. As for sociology, some people are not as social as others. Some people like myself are selective of other people. I like to be careful of who I communicate with in person. I don’t like it when people force their views on others as they are psychological bullies and cause peer pressure. I went on the lucis trust website. We can not change the world but we can change ourselves as an individual and change our minds about things. I just realised lucis trust is a religious movement which I’m not interested in because I’m not affected by religious delusions. I’m not interested in Lucifer and solar angels because they are religious characters created in the subconscious mind
    • Creamcrackered
      Ok thank you for your response, I don't agree with everything Darwin has said, he did comment that the black man is the most closely related to our cousin the ape, and this has continually fed racism, he also made some pretty dire comments about the Irish (they breed like rabbits), and common people in general, this was in his book The Descent of Man, and Darwin's main concern was never evolution in the sense we have learned, but in regards to intellect, which is why he was interested in eugenics and was part of the X-club, and this was also seen in his drive to only breed with the Wedgewoods, which led to many of his own children dying, because as we know, you need to spread the gene pool around a bit, so although you see some positives, there were many negatives coming from an elitist mind-set, he didn't like slavery but didn't see the black man as an equal, and since Darwin really just mimicked what his Grandfather told him who is a 33rd degree freemason, I'm speaking about Erasmus Darwin who wrote zoomomia, which is where the idea came from, I feel HIS discovery was purpose led. Also, bearing in mind the Lucis Trust is linked with all this gnostic theosophy, and as you said you may not be interested in Lucifer and his solar angels, but this organisation who is making a WORLD plan by their own admission, and is sponsored by the UN, with the belief that Lucifer and solar angels are the saviours of mankind, is concerning, because then I think we can agree, we are not talking about a secular society, as we are led to believe. What they stating is that Lucifer has been interfering with man's evolution. And this idea isn't a new one I've come across, in fact this goes right back, from the likes of Aleister/Edward Crowley, Madam Blavatsky, Francis Bacon, John Dee, even co-founder of evolution Alfred Russell Wallace, that demons and fallen angels have had their hand in our evolution by being evoked.
    • Shadow
      It sounds like Darwin was stereotypical and racist towards black people since he believed they are the closest to apes. Apes are apes as humans are humans and nothing else. I know that the mind changes in each individual. I am an Irish citizen and I disagree with Darwin from what he said about the Irish. Darwin may make certain points regarding evolution but he was wrong about other things. According to Erasmus that all forms of life relate to each other but that’s not the case. Each species come in their own group. I know that Lucifer is a made up character in the subconscious mind just like unicorns and the easter bunny for instance. The same context goes for demons and angels. People create characters in their imagination and expect others to believe what they believe in
    • Creamcrackered
      I get your viewpoint Shadow, because I was an atheist, for me personally, I experienced something quite profound, and it is as the mystics have always described, that in order to have a spiritual experience one's own way of experiencing the world must be altered, in order to experience something greater, and mystics have existed ever since time began. As for Lucis Trust, you can see for yourself that this is the new and world religion, not Christianity, and is being promoted by the UN, odd how they've chosen the enemy as such, in the Christian religion and have made him the hero, don't you think? Any thoughts as to why? And how do you think about the UN not supporting the secular (ie non religious) viewpoint?
    • Shadow
      Maybe the UN are intolerant of non religious people because they can’t accept difference which is ignorance
    • Creamcrackered
      it is certainly very strange, that throughout this time they have said they are secular, they have pushed evolution, and that seemed to be accepted as a whole, and yet here, and for many years, in the background they are Luciferians. Looking at this from a sceptic viewpoint, it brings various questions to mind, such as, Is the bible true because they have clearly intended to choose the enemy in Christianity for this new world religious plan? Is what they are saying true, that Lucifer is the saviour and not Christ? Or is the bible a pre-programmed plan, to reset the world, and start again? All I know Shadow, is that I never thought I'd see a world wide pandemic in my lifetime, and yet here we are, and now, Lucifer is the saviour and head of this new world religion, and I never thought I'd see that either, these are very odd times we are living in.
    • Shadow
      Lucifer is a made up character like Dracula for instance. It’s an imaginary character. Religion is caused by peer pressure and is stress related. It sounds like they are a cult and bad news. There are people in the world who will mess with your head making you believe in all sorts of rubbish thoughts including these people who call themselves Luciferians.
    • Creamcrackered
      These people are Gnostics and certainly believe that Lucifer saved humanity from the demiurge/archon Jehovah. This theme is played out in films such as Star Wars, The Matrix, Hunger Games, Prometheus, (as Prometheus is classed the same as Lucifer, hermes and mercury, you'll see Prometheus outside the Rockefeller foundation), The Truman Show, Knowing, The Fifth Element, Cocoon, Lucy, Transformers, Planet of The Apes, Gods of Egypt, and more. So whether people like it or not, they are being indoctrinated, or programmed into accepting this. The freemasons trace their line back to Cain, because they believe that Lucifer was the father of Cain, and that Cain murdered Abel because Abel was of the demiurge or Archon, anything with a phoenix which is acknowledged in the mystery schools as Lucifer, is gnostic, they also see Lucifer and god-man as being androgynous, as is the baphomet. . "George Washington was a freemason, in fact nine of the men who signed the declaration of independence were freemason, George Washington once wrote a letter about the fact that the freemasons were being infiltrated by the illuminati, and this pleased him. They believe man can be like God. It's called the magnum opus or the Great Work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnum_opus_%28alchemy%29 Every president in office is sworn in as a temporary freemason. On the Dome of the Capitol building is shown the apotheosis of George Washington. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apotheosis_of_Washington Now bearing in mind Charles Darwins grandfather was a freemason of the highest degree, and yet freemasons are not atheist, why do you think they gave you the theory of evolution? Because this is an idea given to you by someone else. Secondly, that idea is being ceased upon, and is built upon by their next scientific exposure, where they are going to tell you that we were seeded, or our evolution was created by another race of beings, or aliens, or solar angels, and if it's science you are going to believe it right? I mean we can certainly see the leaps and bounds of the advancement of the 21st century right? See, unless something happens man cannot have an "original thought," most thoughts that we have are created off the back of another thought, so you then have to realise that these ideas from the ancients came from something that happened to them, this is demonstrated in their pictures and hieroglyphs, Mesopotamians and Egyptians weren't foolish, but they all had common themes in their stories, of a different race coming to mankind, whether you read that in the Epic of Gilgamesh, or the Book of Enoch, you cannot change truth, you can change alliance and claim someone's history to be your own, but you cannot change the core or origin of something.
    • Shadow
      I agree that there are no original thoughts. Thoughts in the human mind are connected in some way. Truth is the physical world and everything and everyone that surrounds us outside our shell. Many people misinterpret the truth because they have been brainwashed into lies.
    • Creamcrackered
      No, there are original thoughts, but they have to be based on an actual event. Truth is man has an inner world as well an outer one. Max Planck who was a German theoretical physicist and who's fame is based on being the originator of "quantum theory," said quote ""I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness." Turns out our physical world isn't so physical is it, neither is our outside shell. And in fact with regards to theoretical science, we are talking about Math, which also exists in the mind of man. Secondly, Max Planck was part of the Kaiser Wilhelm Society, established in the German empire 1911, this later became the Max Planck society, The Kaiser Wilhelm Institute and its research facilities were involved in weapons research, experimentation and production in both the First World War and the Second World War. The "Rockefeller Foundation" granted students worldwide one-year study stipends. During the World War I, the group, and in particular Fritz Haber, was responsible for introducing the use of poison gas as a weapon. Fritz Haber was Jewish. During World War II, some of the weapons and medical research performed by the KWI was connected to fatal human experimentation on living test subjects (prisoners) in Nazi concentration camps. In fact, members of the KWI of Anthropology, Human Heredity and Eugenics, particularly Otmar von Verschuer received preserved Jewish bodies and body parts such as eyes for study and display from Auschwitz. These were provided by his pupil Dr. Josef Mengele from prisoners in his charge. He specialized in examining twins, and their genetic relationship, especially for their eye colour and other personal qualities. Then of course we know that 1600 Nazi scientists went to America in operation paperclip, which helped them in the Cold war. And of course it was also Nazi scientists involved in making rocket ships, such as Wernher von Braun. Of course Nazi's believed in Ariosophy.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariosophy Which again is Darwinian in its nature, which then leads us back to the Seven Root Races of man, the secret doctrine, because of the belief in the superiority of the Aryan race, which is what Madam Blavatsky believed in which is behind the Lucis Trust, and no matter what you do, whichever scientist you mention you can't get away from the secret societies they belonged to and their intentions. If you want to name any scientist I can tell you how it's all connected. Out of interest, why do you call yourself Shadow?
    • Shadow
      I understand what you're saying now about original thoughts which I agree with but every thought in the mind is connected in some way. The inner world that people create is in the subconscious mind. I like to think outside the box and not have a world of my own. I prefer to be in touch with the natural world. I'm not sure I catch your meaning when you say the physical world is not so physical. From what I understand the physical world is everything on the outside for instance our physical body and everything you see in front of your eyes. You don't necessarily need to touch everything to see the physical world. It's about being aware based on the consciousness. The physical world can also be called the waking world which some people are not in tune with because they're involved in their heads rather than be in touch with what's going on and that they are not using their conscious mind properly. Scientists who belong to secret societies can't be trusted if they don't share with the public what they are doing in their experiments. An honest scientist should not belong in a secret society because science is for anyone who's interested in the subject. There should be no secret about it. I call myself Shadow because I like the name and it seems like the name has meaning. I like to be a meaningful person. A shadow is an outline of ourselves in the light and the eyes are the windows to our soul. I came up with the idea to call myself Shadow because it's a part of me in the light. There is a shadow on the outside of all of us and of other species and objects.
    • Creamcrackered
      What I meant by the world not being so physical is the fact that in science when you get down to quarks etc, you are really talking about energy vibrating at a certain level, hence that makes the physical world appear solid, when in fact it is not. The same as when speaking about our senses, we see colour, but colour doesn't exist, it is the mind that transforms light into colour. Your eyes contain three types of cone cells which detect different wavelengths of light. I have no problem with people who think outside the box, that is why I encourage the questioning of everything you have been told, or believe to be true, the unexamined life is not worth living. Problem is Shadow, they do have an agenda, and as a result how can you really trust what they are saying, unless you question it for yourself to see what fits, or from all sides? Man must be careful not to just rely on the media for their news for he can be fooled, he must think for himself. I believe your constitution warns of enemies both foreign and domestic. I believe that man should be aware of his inner world, for this can influence how he sees things, and this also benefits man from not becoming reactive. But that the outside world is just as important, as I've said before, I see the world as a living organism, and if we don't treat it as such, then we may lose the one thing on which our survival depends. So do you believe in the soul, or is that just speaking metaphorically? It's interesting because the "shadow" in psychology, is often depicted as the part of oneself that one fails to recognise or accept. I like the reasons you gave for choosing your name.
    • Shadow
      I understand what you’re saying that colour does not exist outside our mind because of how you explained it. I always question everything and I don’t rely on the news online. Only certain news is factual such as crimes happening, poverty, corruption and certain people in the world who are true heroes who save lives. Life is worth living although it can be a struggle for people and overcoming obstacles in life. As humans we must learn to survive. Life may be a bitch and treats people differently. The inner world for a person is in the subconscious mind that people create to be delusional. I’m not the type of person to have an inner world of my own because I see things as they really are based on the conscious mind. Of course the outside world is important and there are some people in the world who need to respect their planet but don’t unfortunately. Others know to respect Earth such as myself. I recognise and accept my shadow so I don’t understand why psychologists think differently
    • Creamcrackered
      You are your subconscious mind Shadow, the conscious mind merely sits at the end of the subconscious like an observer, this is why most atheists do not believe in free will, because that would deem a ghost in the machine operating beyond the material. When a person acts it is registered in their brain long before the conscious mind recognises it, showing that all decisions are made before our awareness (see the MRI experiment). Atheists use the word free-thinker, but there is no free anything in the material world, because again that would deem that there is a part of you doing the choosing, that is outside of the material. Atheists don't usually believe in the soul. My understanding of when I was a atheist is that there is no supernatural, we are merely higher intelligent animals, and the world came into existence as a random event, hence for no reason, and as such will end for no reason. .Hence, there is no objective meaning to life, only the one we give it. And usually that is where an atheist will come unstuck because they will argue life has meaning, when it cannot possibly have any objective meaning in a materialistic viewpoint. Hence, although you may "feel" it has meaning, it can't possibly, because 1), you are merely programmed by your neurons and chemicals and outside influences, and 2), life has no meaning and will end just the same way. Yet, this is completely the opposite of how humans function, they rarely do anything for no reason, or without meaning.
    • Shadow
      The conscious mind is a part of me and I know how to use it. Atheism is misunderstood from a religious view since religion is a delusion. Religion is the subconscious mind. Atheism is an awareness. The supernatural is like superstition because that is the subconscious mind playing when someone messes with your head. Supernatural is fiction and there is no physical evidence to prove otherwise. Of course there is meaning to life. This is not a feeling. Some people just don’t know how to find their own meaning because they have been brainwashed into religious bull$hit and lies. We are born, we live and we pass away. That’s all there is to it but within is our emotions and how we see things. Everyone is different in their views and some views make a point. Everyone is different in the real world. A religious person would not understand that because they expect others to believe what they believe in but that’s not how people work in reality. Certain things have meaning such as life. Only shallow minded people fail to see it that way.
    • Creamcrackered
      People that practice awareness such as Buddhists, believe in Nirvana, which is how the mind experiences the world once the ego drops it's attachments hence they state as have many mystics and have done for many millennia, that there is a different way to experience consciousness. You can deny it, but this is a fact. How can there be meaning to life, when it starts and ends for no reason. So its starts and no matter what happens in between whether you are a murderer, a nurse, a doctor, a rapist, a lawyer, a cleaner, when it comes to an end, it will all add up to zero. In an atheist viewpoint there is no witness to how great life was it starts and then it's over, like destroying an ant hill, so how can you say that has meaning, it is intellectually dishonest, true atheism IS nihilism. As for religion, the fact is, in relation to what I was saying about original thoughts, you have writings one with regards to the beginnings of civilisation written by the Sumerians which state that the gods, brought Me's to Sumer. Here is the list....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me_(mythology) Which is the sense of self (Me), and the Book of Enoch states a very similar story, that fallen angels brought similar things to the Me's to earth. http://www.bookofenoch.org/ So no matter how one wants to deny it, these are the writings of people who are giving a description as to something that "happened to them," there is no getting away from that. This isn't them deeming gods to be winds, or the sun, this is them stating that some beings came from above and brought civilisation, such kingship, and how to make weapons and make up, cultivating the land. We know that we were once hunter gatherers, and then suddenly just over 5,000 years ago man started building cities and cultivating the land.
    • Shadow
      You don’t necessarily need to be a Buddhist to practice awareness. Reality is for anyone to engage in. It’s about using the conscious mind. Of course there is meaning to life even though it starts and ends but everything in between such as emotions has reason. Life is like a book because we start in the world and have life stories to tell and that journey ends when we pass away. I consider myself a true atheist but not fully nihilistic in its meaning because I know there is meaning in life. Anyone who denies meaning in their life are not looking within themselves enough. There is no fact in religion because it’s all bull$hit and lies which you are brainwashed by. Because of religion there is much violence in people and a lot of hatred and anger which the religious person does not realise because they have been brainwashed to be that way by mind controlling people. At least I do my own thinking. Religious people rely on some guy in a robe to pass on religious delusions.
    • Creamcrackered
      Atheists usually refer to emotions as chemical reactions. I get that you appreciate your life Shadow, but I'm merely presenting you with the facts of a material existence, there can be no objective meaning, so like I said although it may feel meaningful, it has no meaning. You say religion is all bullshit, but this is where our laws come from, our language, and science, because many great and famous scientists never had a problem with accepting a God, they saw the universe and the order, the math, the patterns and determined it much have an designer, an intellectual mind, a compassionate mind, an artistic mind, atheism came along afterwards, and brought about the horrors of communism a political idea that refuses individuality and belief, anything that makes you different from another, and that came in the latest centuries proving without God, man is only answerable to himself, or the elite and that can lead to the horrors of nihilism, eugenics, transhumanism. Ask the elite to tell you how important your life is, when they see you as merely cattle? Why not cull a few here and there, what argument can you possibly use against this if it is not for the greater good of the whole? Same way zoos cull certain species to feed others. Who are you to say otherwise, you are merely an animal? And the scientists knew the dangers of atheism, they saw where it could go. What would happen if man cared not to come up any higher than his animal self, what would happen if man relied on cold reason alone without emotion, love, kindness, and empathy? Why discard these because they are merely emotions, irrational, problematic, and unreasonable. It's funny because evolution was given to you as an idea, and yet you accuse the religious of the same, and yet religion, is an attempt to bring man up higher than his animal self, like the man’s head coming out of the sphinx, considered a form of evolution in of itself, man into spirit, in tune with something that strives for him to denounce his animalistic nature and look toward something purer and more holy. Atheism is like talking yourself out of your own existence, it’s like saying I’m an animal and no more, even though I do not experience my life this way at all, you have to really reach to be an atheist, you have to deny your own human experience and feelings to believe life has no objective meaning, when everything we do has meaning, has emotion.
    • Shadow
      It’s not just a feeling that life is meaningful. The problem with people is that they are not looking within themselves properly in order to find what is missing in their lives. We are all missing something in our lives even those who think they have everything. It is a personal journey to discover meaning in the life of an individual. Famous scientists accepted a fictional character because they were unaware they were in a snake pit of people. There are people in the world who will mess with your head by brainwashing you. They are psychological bullies. Atheism has always been around since people came into existence. Atheism is an awareness which religious people fail to understand. According to what you are saying that atheism is dangerous when it’s not. Some people see atheism as dangerous because they fear what they don’t understand. As an atheist, I have never been a danger to anyone. Without emotions you’re nothing. Sociopaths and psychopaths don’t understand about human emotions because they have their own personal problems. Religion is not an idea because it’s a delusion created in the subconscious mind. Religious people fail to see it that way because they are brainwashed. I do not talk myself out of my own existence. I know I exist the same as everyone else in the world. I am aware of people. I just don’t bother with their religious delusions. We are human beings which is a type of animal. We all have our flaws. That’s bull$hit talk from what you are saying that me as an atheist denies my experience and feelings. I like to talk about emotions which I’m open with. I don’t know where you get such information from.
    • Creamcrackered
      Actually, famous scientists did not accept God because they were in a snake pit, as I explained they accepted it because they saw order in the universe. Many scientists also admitted that their discoveries were found in dreams, which would deem odd for you'd think they would rather take the glory themselves. So what scientists are you talking about? There are people that mess with your head and brain wash you, including in government which means to rule the mind, and through the goals of secret societies infiltrating, which is why it is always apt to listen to the other side of the argument, or else you could just end up swallowing what you are told. I've explained about Charles Darwin already, so there is no point in rehashing it, you can look into it yourself if you don't believe me, in fact I'd encourage that. That is true about atheism, and the arguments you use here, are from a perspective where you haven't looked into your own belief to see where it came from and if you are being fooled. Actually, the logical conclusion of atheism is dangerous simply because it removes objective meaning, morality, ethics, and good and bad behaviour, everything simply becomes indifference, and if man is merely answerable to man, then man can choose to do what he wishes with him which he does if he has enough power. Man has reduced himself to the animal and no higher, in essence cattle, and if you should honestly look into this because as an atheist it exposed me as a hypocrite, I was trying to convince myself life could have meaning when we live in a random universe that begins and ends for no reason, and where my neurons and chemicals predicted by behaviour, no free will. It's nothing to do with emotions, its to do with what is in vogue, history shows us that not so long ago, it was entertainment to hang people in the square, or in Rome to watch people killed in the arenas, in fact this is the underlining psychology to football, two sides battling it out, it was a replacement for the animal mind that enjoys war and fighting. Religion is an outward teaching, a church is designed on the human body, and when man enters he goes through the rituals outwardly instead of inwardly, where as the inner teachings are to do with man meditating, and removing his ego, in order to experience a connection to the mind of God, and there have been mystics that have declared this since the beginning, they don't believe man can experience God on his own understanding, or his own will, he has to experience the mind of God by Gods understanding and Gods will, and it is himself and himself alone that prevents this. That it is the ego, that is the false self, it keeps man forever trapped in the past and the present with his thinking, and he is never fulfilled, he is always searching, hungry, thirsty, and suffering. Mystics who experience God, have nothing to do with the world, they do not go searching after happiness, they realise they are already happy, because they experience a different state of being, they have dropped the ego, and are connected to something far greater than themselves so they no longer have any fear. You believe you are merely an animal because that is the idea given to you, which you have swallowed, for the fear of being irrational, atheisms man tool is to belittle a mystic or believer, holding on to rationality, however rationality without love, or objective morality because brutality, the socialist fascists, and the other side of the coin, Marxist communists have proven that in the most recent centuries with all the bloodshed, so that is where I get that information from, not BS. Where as people who believe in God or a higher intelligence that they can link to, are less likely to cause bloodshed because they do not fear death, and know there is a pure form of love to be attached to, and that man is not just an animal but can evolve with an inner spirit of God. And what is taught in science, is merely religion. the heavens have become
    • Shadow
      I notice you are using some of my words in your response rather than be independent with your own words. Scientists accepted a fictional character called “god” because they got brainwashed by delusional people. The scientists I am talking about are the ones you mentioned in your previous response. I don’t swallow what I’ve been told. I use my thinking cap. I like to be aware of things which is beyond belief so I don’t need to look into that. It’s religious weirdos who are being fooled by mind controlling people without them realising it. My atheism doesn’t remove my emotions, meaning and morality. I like to talk about emotions and that I am a moral person. As I said in my previous response, I am not a threat or danger to anyone and myself. I have not reduced myself in any way. I am my own person and I encourage everyone else to be themselves instead of being someone who they are not. People back in history saw violence as entertainment because they are f*cked up in the head. In religion there is violence or just plain intolerance of anyone different to them. Humans are mammals. Google it. You mention “god” many times in your response because you have been brainwashed to believe that nonsense. There is no such thing as “heaven” because that is a place in the imagination and you can’t prove there is one the same as your imaginary friend “god”. Religious weirdos can never prove their point. They are full of meaningless words and no physical evidence. That is so typical of them. Atheism dismisses what goes on in the imagination because atheists are sane. Science has nothing to do with religious delusions. Science has fact and religion is bull$hit and lies. There is no connection whatsoever between science and religion
    • Creamcrackered
      I'm using your words so you know I am responding to your answer, that is what most people do. I find it funny that you think scientists got brainwashed by God, because they've been brainwashed by delusional people, because scientists are intelligent and rational, so you are kind of demoting your own argument for atheism. So which scientists would it be that I mentioned, give me names and their thoughts? This conversation is really over because you are just resorting to belittling tactics, and oddly enough you don't appear to be using any supporting evidence, in fact is is blantantly clear that I know more about atheism, it's origins, than you do, why because I bothered to do the research in order to be fair, as an atheist, which then brought me across it's own agenda, and hypocrisy being the people that gave it to you, are not atheist, so they've given you a belief that they don't even believe in, and of course there are reasons for this which I've already stipulated, control, and ability to use eugenics etc, without remorse. Have you ever heard of the Piltdown man, or are you going to google it now, because if you had then you would know the lengths the scientific community were willing to go in order to support their theory of evolution by allowing people to believe the hoax as truth for over 40 years. That doesn't sound rational, intelligent or honest to me. Again, stating that people saw violence as entertainment because they were messed up in the head, is not using your rational argument, and rational argument would be that was the sign of the times, but it also demonstrates that mans moral code is only as good as it allows them to be, and only as good as the law in office. I haven't been brainwashed into believing God, as a miltant atheist ie I didn't just believe there was no god, I knew there wasn't, I had a life-changing experience that was unexpected which now prevents me denying that there is something greater that man can connect with than his own ego, and lets face it, mans ego has led to a lot of bloodshed in our lifetime. I agree there has been violence in religion, In the Koran there are verses that support it, in the Talmud there are verses, however Christianity is based upon Jesus Christ and he is not violent, neither does he promote it, so if people cause bloodshed in Christianity, then their teachings show that this is not driven by Christianity but by something else. Nope I don't believe God is in some imaginary heaven, neither have I said that, I believe your mind can connect to Gods mind, only if you drop the ego, which is why Christ humbled himself. Your will, intellect, and understanding prevents you from experiencing this. Hence, since I was an atheist when this happened you can't say I was brainwashed by religion. So if there is no such thing as the heavens, then how can you prove multi-universes, its the same idea, dressed up in a different outfit, and that's is my point. I believe I've made many valid points, you can see I'm well read, however I've seen no such evidence from you with regards to religion, mysticism or atheism. If atheists are sane do you think it sane that Mao Zedony who was a Marxist-lennist persecuted 550,000 people, mostly intellectuals and dissidents. In 1958, he launched the Great Leap Forward that aimed to rapidly transform China's economy from agrarian to industrial, which led to the deadliest famine in history and the deaths of 15–55 million people between 1958 and 1962. In 1963, Mao launched the Socialist Education Movement, and in 1966 he initiated the Cultural Revolution, a program to remove "counter-revolutionary" elements in Chinese society which lasted 10 years and was marked by violent class struggle, widespread destruction of cultural artifacts, and an unprecedented elevation of Mao's cult of personality. Tens of millions of people were persecuted during the Revolution, while the estimated number of deaths ranges from hundreds of thousands to millions. Pol Pot'
    • Creamcrackered
      I will level with you here though Shadow, because I understand you are in the US and Christians there can appear very different to Christians here, and I do see the hypocrisy when some Christians in your country get lumped in with Trump. From my perspective, most people are good people, regardless of their belief system, what do I think of Trump, a d*ck, but then I feel the same about Biden, Hilary, Boris Johnson and the Labour leader (can't even be bothered to remember his name), and this is the biggest problem we have, for the most part decent people being run by psychopaths, who do not give two sh*ts about any of us, but care more about self idolatry thinking themselves gods, and mainly caring about power and where they can place there shares in order to make more money, why the rest of us are doing out best to get along in life, and keep our heads above water. They have an agenda. If we keep electing morons, then we can expect no better. The system is corrupt, and we need to acknowledge that, it's run by the banking system, and the big corporations; which the politicians have an invested interest in, or are even sponsored, by them. So who is really running the country? All the best
    • Shadow
      I am an Irish citizen and not American.
    • Shadow
      From what I know of America, it’s corrupt where there is police brutality and a lot of violence in general. The American government are equally as criminal as murderers who get the death penalty because executions are the government ending the life of a criminal when they don’t think about the reason for prisons. A lot of Americans are religious weirdos but not all because there are atheists like myself out there in other countries
    • Creamcrackered
      Well, people tend to say that the US is run by the mafia. Over here we have the Firm, (ie the royals). Are you in Ireland then Shadow? I can understand why you wouldn't like religion if that is the case.
    • Shadow
      Yes I am in Ireland. Religion is not for me because I’m not affected by peer pressure. I like to be independent minded rather than rely on other people
    • Creamcrackered
      Well, I think when it comes to any belief, most people are definitely relying on someone else. Which part Ireland, has Brexit had greater impact on you, what are your thoughts?
    • Shadow
      Brexit affects all of Ireland including passport holders, immigration, economy, services and many other things. Brexit affects everyone in Ireland
    • Creamcrackered
      Yeah, it's not good.
    • Shadow
      I know. Brexit causes many problems. Because of their decision to remove themselves from the EU, the British don’t realise the problems they are causing for others.
    • Creamcrackered
      From my perspective, we were deceived Shadow, the things people voted for to be out of the EU, are now being acted upon anyway, so the vote didn't even matter and people are realising that now. We are still getting bleached chicken and GMO from the US, and I could name a few other things. The EU was originally formed in order to align ourselves with Europe in case we ever went to war with the US, now we've aligned ourselves with America and Israel. I'd rather be with Germany any day Shadow. The same banks backing Boris who was originally for staying in, were the same backing Farage, then what Farage did was divide the labour vote. It's a bloody mess, that's what it is. I don't even think the impact on Ireland was even really discussed until afterwards. Now we are watching our NHS and unions disappear as well. People who voted Brexit where lied to, done up like a kipper. We should of voted on the deal, I still don't know what was in the deal, Covid over shadowed that, all that's left is the effect.
    • Shadow
      Unfortunately there was over 17 million people who voted for the UK to be removed from the EU and over 16 million voted the opposite. Between Brexit and coronavirus, from all the corruption and violence in the world, things just get worse in general
    • Creamcrackered
      Ain't that the truth, it's plummeting fast.
    • Shadow
      I know

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