Thanks for your response Texasescimo, You are right David accepted worship as a king, but he did put the Lord God before him. I'm a bit confused over Rev 3:9 for Jesus uses the word "thy"which means "your," Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy/your feet, and to know that I have loved thee. I agree with 2 Sam 14:4 she did fall on her face in front of the king, as one pays respect to a king, kings are often thought of as divine beings in ancient history, i.e divine rulership. And Jesus/Yeshua/Yahshua is a Lord, King and priest, who's heralds God's name Yhwh's salvation Yah meaning Yahweh, and shua meaning salvation, for it is the fullness of the Godhead that dwells in him and he does the will of the father. The word in greek is proskuneo which means to kiss (like a dog licking his masters hand), fawn or crouch, prostate oneself, adore, worship. It does state that High Rabbi Priests also had their hands kissed. I did search myself and Jesus is definitely worshipped... The wise men bowed and worshipped him and gave him gifts (matt 2:11), Matthew 21:9And the crowds that went before him and that followed him were shouting, “Hosanna to the Son of David! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord! Hosanna(save, rescue, saviour) in the highest!” John 12:13 So they took branches of palm trees and went out to meet him, crying out, “Hosanna! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, even the King of Israel!” Matthew 14:33 And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.” Matthew 28:9 So they departed quickly from the tomb with fear and great joy, and ran to tell his disciples. 9 And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him. John 20:28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” And when the Cornelius fell at Paul's feet to worship him Paul told him not to, When Peter entered, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. Acts 10 25 -26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I too am a man.” And when John fell down to worship the angel he did not agree with it, Rev 19:9-10 And the angel said to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” And he said to me, “These are the true words of God.” 10 Then I fell down at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, “You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers who hold to ithe testimony of Jesus. Worship God.” For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. I found the following verse interesting Philippians 2 If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies, Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind. Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves. Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" "But made himself of no reputation," and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the "likeness of men:" And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it

Also 2 Peter 2 - 4 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. Sorry for the length, I hope all is well with you, it's exceedingly cold here in England, I believe we may be in for a very cold winter, we have escaped the last two with relatively milder weather.

Have you ever consulted any other translations and/or concordances? _____ Consider proskyneo, often translated as worship. ____ https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G4352&t=KJV ______ to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication used of homage shown to men and beings of superior rank to the Jewish high priests to God to Christ to heavenly beings to demons

(Matthew 4:10) Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”

On a side note, some believe that Jesus is the Father. They cite verses such as these: (John 10:30) I and the Father are one.” (Isaiah 9:6) For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. (John 14:9) Jesus said to him: “Even after I have been with you men for such a long time, Philip, have you not come to know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father also. How is it you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

Curious as well as to why Jesus is telling his followers how to receive worship, according to the KJV anyway? Luke 14:10 (KJV) But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.

Also, why did Jesus say it is The LORD(Jehovah) you must worship instead of Me or Us? Matthew 4:10 Then Jesus *said to him, “Go, Satan! For it is written, ‘YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND [fn]SERVE HIM ONLY.’”

Curious too, if you say that David accepted worship as king, how do you reconcile: (Matthew 4:10) Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”

Hello Texasescimo, in Matthew 4:10, how can Jesus worship Himself? Isn't it reasonable why Jesus would submit to the Father in worship by His human nature?

For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Creamcrackered, don't be surprised if Texasescimo asks why did Jesus bow down and prayed to the Father.

The whole of 2 Corinthians 5 Explains all this very well. But I'll quote a small part, 18 "And all things are of God, who hath "reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ," and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that "God was IN Christ," "reconciling the world unto himself," not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Hence, the father in ALL his FULLNESS dwelled in Christ. The fullness of God is mentioned in Isaiah and in Revelations, and consists of seven spirits since seven is the number of perfection, as the world was created in seven days and are seen in the symbol of the menorah. Isaiah 11:2 1) The spirit of the Lord, 2) wisdom, 3) understanding, 4) council 5) spirit of might, 6) spirit of knowledge, 7) spirit of fear of the lord. Hence, God dwelled in Christ, and God has given authority to Christ as someone that could be seen in the flesh, (the image of God), where as God is a invisible spirit, he could only do this because Christ was without sin, which is why Christ emptied himself, and Christ as the son in flesh, prayed to the Father.

Even at the end, all will be reconciled to the Father, and he will BE ALL and IN ALL. So why is it so hard to believe that the fullness of the Father can dwell in Christ? Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. 1 Cor 15:28

Creamcrackered, I totally agree with your remarks.

Quote from cracked: "For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God." Where is that written and who did it refer to? (Sorry, I give a lot of weight to context.)

On a side note: anybody who tells you David was worshiped to throw you off guard does not know what they're talking about, cause Jesus is the only one who shares the same glory with the Father. John 17:5 "And now, Father, glorify Me in Your own presence with the glory that I had with You before the world existed."

Does 1 Chron 29:20 in the KJV throw people off guard? How do you feel about Revelation 3:9? What does Proskyneo or Proskuneo actually mean?

1 Chronicles 29:20 is Jewish thinking. Revelation 3:9 is nothing more than a messenger's call. Was Jesus not a messenger, especially when He prayed to the Father?

https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/kjv/proskuneo.html

Creamcrackered, what Texasescimo wants to know is why did Jesus receive the Greek word Proskuneo when He submits to the Father. Between the lines what he is saying, God does not submit to no one. What Tex fails to understand, Jesus who was a messenger carried out the Father's will to receive Proskuneo. How else would the Father be manifested in the flesh to become a servant??? Philippians 2:6-8

For the father was happy to have his fullness dwell in the son, so when you worship the son, you are worshipping the visible image of the invisible father, this is why Jesus means Yahweh's salvation. Jesus contains the seven spirits of God because he is without sin, and the son of God.

Jesus' role is to bring a visible salvation, and for us to follow him, God has given him all authority on earth, he is a King, but in the end, the Father will draw everything to himself including the son, and then the father will be all and in all. This is what true reconciliation is. 1 Corinthians 15:28 “And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.”

Creamcrackered, very true, although the Jehovah's Witness do not understand Christian theology. They will twist the Bible and say if Jesus is the invisible image of the Father, why was He the firstborn of all Creation? (Colossians 1:15) As you added that all things will be subdued under Jesus, they will say who gave Him the authority to have everything subdued under Him? (John 10:29)

Jenny, I have never heard a JW say what you claim. Can you post a link to where JW's say: "... if Jesus is the invisible image of the Father, why was He the firstborn of all Creation?" search here for starters jw.org..... ... Also are you saying that Jesus was lower than God when in the flesh on earth so didn't know things yet was God in the flesh so received worship?

Hello Texasescimo, I have not seen you frequently on Answerbag. I'm sure many of us miss your religious answers. I find it interesting to see what the Jehovah's Witness have to say on religious subjects. I agree 96% with your religious beliefs. Jesus is God, the Trinity, the Rapture and the KJV is what we differ in. To your question: it is exactly what I told Creamcrackered. We know Jesus is the invisible image of the Father, but why is He the firstborn of all Creation? We have gone over this before. I will like to see what others have to say.