ANSWERS: 6
  • I don't see anything racist about it. But everything we been doing and do some people call it racist. Even words from the Bible. What it all boils down to is them protesting freedom of speech.
    • Archie Bunker
      Agreed. It's partially the victim mentality and the inability to win arguments with logic and facts.
    • Rick Myres
      Well here is your thumbs up ?
    • Rick Myres
      y
  • "So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!" is what was actually said. Look at the facts: he is referring to multiple women. Given that there is only one person who fits his qualifying description, it means that there is at least one person who was born in the USA being told to go back whence they came based solely on ethnic or cultural heritage. Being that the president is privy to this information and still chooses to tell this person or more likely people to leave the country, it has been taken by the media to be threatening people based on their race, which is indeed racist. Whether that's the case or if this is just willful ignorance coupled with brash negligence of words, I don't know (I'm leaning toward the latter). Either way, this man is the president of the USA, and should control his own behaviour better than this. Also, you can't really have it both ways. Either he's the smartest man in the world or he's dumb; if he says racially inflammatory stuff like this and his supporters claim it's not racist due to his own ignorance, then there is a contradiction somewhere.
    • Archie Bunker
      I don't know of a single person who said Trump is the smartest man in the world. But, nothing he said is racist. It's only played that way in the media to make the 4 idiots look like victims so that they can point and say what a racist prick he is. Telling people to leave the country if they don't like it and move to the socialist utopias that they long for has nothing to do with race, color or Apollo Creed.
    • bostjan64
      Read the quote and tell me exactly how many times he used any of the words you attributed to him: "utopia," "socialist," or anything that can honestly be paraphrased into "if they don't like it." If the answer is zero, then your argument is not only wrong, but dishonest.
    • bostjan64
      For the record, I don't think that Trump's quote is "racist," either, as CNN reports. Trump is just pushing people's buttons. For that matter, he knows that he's pushing people's buttons, but I don't think he realized the "go back [to] where you came" is culturally recognized as a white supremacist slogan, either. I also don't think that he's bright enough to realize that the people in congress are the ones who actually do decide "how our government is to be run." It's quite literally their job, just as his job is as the commander in chief of the armed forces and chief diplomat of foreign policy of the USA. But whatever, it's 2019, and both Trump and his opponents are simply going to keep cranking up the tension in this country until someone starts shooting, probably. It takes two to tango, as they say.
    • Linda Joy
      I don't know which person from the us you claim was told to go back where they came from, but I agree with what Trump said. His IQ has been estimated in the 150's. And he's only firing back at people who are playing the media to force their opinions on others and push a way of life most people here don't want. He has every right to answer their false claims with the truth. If you want to get technical about it they are being racist every time they try to get special treatment for their race!
    • Archie Bunker
      64, your first comment is way off, homie. I never attributed anything to him or anyone else for that matter. Who's being dishonest here? And so is your addition that it's a white supremacist slogan that is culturally recognized. You seem to be hell-bent on making it about that, along with all the news media outlets. What he was telling them was that if you want socialism so bad, go to those socialist countries and have some good luck trying to fix them before they start f*cking up the US. Socialism has never worked. Ever. In the history of the world, every socialist country has eaten itself. But one thing we can probably agree on, is that Trump needs to stay off Twitter. If I were him, I'd just give the answer they don't like when asked what I thought about AOC's or the "Squad's" comments. "I don't care what they think."
    • bostjan64
      Linda, it's odd that you don't know which people "they" are, but you know that they are lying and that they are racist. His IQ might be estimated (by whom?) to be extremely high, but people have also estimated Ke$ha's IQ to be over 170, and, yet, she thinks that a dollar sign is a letter. I don't buy it. Archie, clearly you are the one being dishonest about who said what. I quoted what Trump said, first thing, in my answer, yet you keep stating that his tweet was about socialism, and, in the same comment, stating that you aren't attributing anything to him. While I agree that AOC is a dingbat, and that socialism will never work in the USA, we clearly don't sit on the same page when it comes to Trump, nor even on simple things like what certain words mean nor how to understand data on things like "the temperature" or "culturally recognized."
    • mushroom
      Well, now we got the "send her back" chants, and Trump did not try to calm the audience. Four out of 535 is not a majority; 1 out of 1 is. Is that the type of leadership we should have?
    • bostjan64
      "And so is your addition that it's a white supremacist slogan that is culturally recognized." Sorry, but I have to call full on bullshit on that statement. There is a fair amount of media (books, television, films, etc.) covering that phrase prior to Trump's tweet. [see: https://www.amazon.com/Back-Where-You-Came-Immigration/dp/1568585926 , https://www.tvo.org/programs/go-back-to-where-you-came-from , http://www.quodb.com/search/Go+back+to+where+you+came+from - read the context, 4 out of the top 5 quotes are racially loaded, https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/ceagt7/federal_law_says_go_back_to_where_you_came_from/ , https://junkee.com/the-problem-with-go-back-to-where-you-came-from-2/60931 , https://nzcoop.wordpress.com/2015/11/06/go-back-to-where-you-came-from/, ... I could go on for ages with links, but it wont matter, you won't read them). I can understand if you grew up under a rock somewhere that you might not be aware that there is a strong web of cultural reference around that phrase, but if you outright claim that there is not such a connection, then you must believe that you have some level of cultural knowledge superior to everyone else.
    • Archie Bunker
      Nope. I won't read your links. Showing links to left leaning pages proves only that they're pandering to the mindless, uninformed voters. But also, if you're so insistent that this is about race and not about socialism, let me point out the simple fact that "go back to where you came from" is about nationality, not race. "Where you came from" in the English language designates a location, not a group of physical attributes.
    • bostjan64
      But Archie, how can it be about nationality when address to people who were born in the USA? And if you believe that anything that disagrees with your pre-conceived notion is left leaning, then maybe you have a confirmation bias problem.
    • Linda Joy
      You are left leaning and biased bj. And you are twisting words. I was speaking generally not specifically as I don't watch tv. I've clearly stated before as Archie did that any socialist or (my words) minority that want a different way of life needs to go where they have it not try to change ours to suit them. I don't care who they are and that's why this is not racist!
    • bostjan64
      Actually read what Trump said. He mentions the word "socialist" exactly never in the quote. Twisting words is when you say that someone said something that they never said. Trump never said that these congresswomen need to move to socialist countries, nor anything about socialism, and the places these women were born are not socialist. The places their ancestors were from are not socialist. So you are just lying flat out about that. I never said I was socialist, and I'm indeed not. I'm actually libertarian. So you are lying about that too. I provided Trump's actual quote and analyzed it for what it is. You and Archie Bunker are being obtuse on this topic!
    • Archie Bunker
      Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements! - I'm pretty sure he's talking about the countries that their parents/grandparents come from. (even my five year old figured that out) Something the liberals like to celebrate, in general. AOC is Puerto Rican. Oman was born in Somalia. Pressley is "African-American." Tlaib is Palestinian. Talib & AOC are members of Democratic Socialists of America. I'm pretty sure that makes them socialists. In trying to make his comments about race, you just can't see past your anti-Trump bias. Keep trying though. It is entertaining.
    • bostjan64
      Three questions: 1. Puerto Rico is part of which country? 2. Palestine is part of which country? 3. In your mind, is "originally came from countries " equivalent to "ancestors came from regions." BONUS QUESTION (because this one follows a logical fallacy based off of one of your other logical fallacies): Which of the following are "socialist utopias": a) Puerto Rico b) Somalia c) whatever you associate with "African-American," as you said, or d) Palestine.
    • Linda Joy
      It was my words you were twisting. And directly after saying you were twisting words I explained what I was talking about but you just want to fight and be right. But you're wrong. I was answering the question not fighting that the question was incorrect
    • bostjan64
      I didn't twist your words, I pointed out that you seemed to contradict yourself, which you never directly addressed, by the way.
    • Linda Joy
      I did. " I was speaking generally not specifically as I don't watch tv. I've clearly stated before as Archie did that any socialist or (my words) minority that want a different way of life needs to go where they have it not try to change ours to suit them. I don't care who they are and that's why this is not racist!" But, as usual, you weren't listening.
    • bostjan64
      How does that quote relate to my statement, which was directly Addressed to Archie Bunker, about his misquoting of Trump? Whether you watch TV or not has absolutely nothing to do with that. Whether you were speaking generally or not doesn't make sense in that context. Also, you not knowing something has no correlation whatsoever to how racist another person's statement is. None of that makes any sense to me. You can say that I'm not listening all you want, but I'm reading the posts. But, I'm not a mind reader.
  • Its not. And after reading bj's post of what he supposedly said (and I believe it is) I agree with everything Trump said! I also think he has every right to say it! Any time they try to get special treatment for their race they are being racist! Trump wasn't. He didn't specify any race. They are just haters.
    • bostjan64
      Everyone has the right to state their mind, but having the right to do something and whether doing something is right are not the same thing. For example, I have the right to say that all roses are blue, but you would have the right to tell me that I was wrong in saying so. What's more, you would be right, in terms of correctness. Trump has the right to say that there are multiple progressive congresswomen who originally came from a country with a broken political system, but, factually, the use of plural is wrong here. There is only one such person. Furthermore, telling people that, if they disagree with his views on how executive privilege works, in a legal sense, that they should "go back [to] where they came," then he is not only factually wrong, but also behaving in a manner that is unbefitting a grown man, let alone our president.
    • Linda Joy
      You're entitled to your opinion, you know, the one that says its wrong for Trump to do it but everyone else can do it to Trump! I think they need to quit screwing around with the system of government that has provided the best standard of living ever recorded in history! And if you don't like our capitalist system of government IMO you can go back to Russia whether you came from there or not! Or you can go to any socialist place you want! But y'all need to quit trying to screw up our way of life. If you don't like it leave!
    • bostjan64
      While the USA has the 8th highest average standard of living in the world (does it shock you that we are not #1?), that standard of living is not enjoyed by the lowest common denominator - it is misleading, because the standard of living of the wealthiest people in the USA is extremely high, which offsets the average. If you take the median standard of living instead of the average, it's closer to the median standard of living in Estonia (source: http://hdr.undp.org/en/composite/IHDI). I know you qualified it with "if...," but telling me to "go back to Russia" is just a flat out stone cold. I've never said in any of my posts here nor elsewhere on the internet that I was a fan of socialism, nor have I indicated that I had ever voted for any of the people you believe are a current threat to capitalism.
    • Linda Joy
      No it doesn't shock me that the us is 8th! It is the capitalist way of living that has provided the highest standard of living the world has ever known USA not specific. If it weren't for capitalism research and development would come to a grinding halt. And you've said in a hundred ways you are a socialist including in this rant here. You hate the rich and the system that provides the opportunity to be rich. There is nothing wrong with being rich. At least in this environment its possible!! You've got some nerve trying to tell me what its like to be poor in America! I live it and frankly I'd rather be poor here than anywhere else! At least I can get a job and actually drive myself and leave the house without a male relative to keep me in line! Give me liberty or give me death!
    • Linda Joy
      You're the one who questioned Trumps intelligence I was just trying to provide some estimate even though I know you're smart enough to google it yourself. As for someone else's being higher all I can say is have you ever seen "A Beautiful Mind"? As they say there is a fine line between genius and insanity, and I know from personal experience that you don't have to reach the mark of genius to have insanity covered!
    • bostjan64
      What rant?
    • Linda Joy
      PUHLEEZE!! That's all you've been doing!
    • bostjan64
      The longest thing I posted was as long as it was because I quoted Trump's rant. The second longest was just a list of links to back up a statement I had made that Archie calked into question. Nothing else has been significantly longer than your posts, so, what rant?
    • Linda Joy
      So now you're going to argue semantics? Do you argue with yourself? Or are you always right? Are you still married? How long? She may deserve an award!
    • bostjan64
      This is the second time you've decided to go straight for the unrelated ad hominem. Perhaps it'd be best for both you and me if we no longer interacted.
    • Linda Joy
      And you saying I was 'piling on' because I agreed with Archie wasn't? Hypocrite!
  • Logically, it has no relevance to racism, but liberal Democrats are desperate to find some criticism of it, so there is the old mindless chant of "You are racist".
    • Archie Bunker
      It's a surefire way to win over the mindless voters that refuse to be informed.
  • First a person or group is labeled, then another group or person declares who they are, what they believe, and how they feel. All this devoid of all substantive issues. Archie are you seriously able to judge how someone loves their country, or loves their parents, or loves their spouse?
    • Linda Joy
      They are the ones who labled themselves and tried to force their way of life on others! And broke laws to get here and steal and education! No one else defined them they defined themselves by their own actions!!
    • Archie Bunker
      We're a constitutional republic. It's been in a few schoolbooks so it's not really a new concept. AOC and her cronies are socialists. Trump told them to go to socialist countries and see how that works out. (didn't work out for Bernie's people who had their hours cut to get $15/hr). But, all of that aside, like my question asks, how is it about race? Why is that the go-to liberal argument when it's clearly irrelevant?
  • Archie you seem to love putting labels on people. You and Trump have that in common. Would you go so far as assuming any individual "Hates America" because you disagree with them politically? Is America exclusively defined by the dominant economic and political establishment views? Notice how substantive issues that affect all of us are sidelined and dialogue drops to emotional reactivity. Both major parties and mainstream media are complicit in this divisive behavior.
    • Archie Bunker
      It seems to me that the left likes the racist label. That's why no one pays attention anymore when someone cries racism. Agreeing with them politically or disagreeing is how a constitutional republic works. When you want to "fundamentally change" the way America works and to turn it into a socialist country, now you hate America. But we are in agreement about mainstream media and the political parties. Waaaaayyyy more so from the left leaning sections.

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