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The Holy Trinity is the Main Mystery of the Catholic Faith. It is how there are 3 persons in One God. The three persons are the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. One does not make another, neither is more powerful than the other. All of them are God.
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Solidsurface's definition of the Trinity is correct. It should be noted, however, that the Orthodox church and Protestant denominations (that is, all branches of the Christian Church) also hold the same view of the Trinity. It is not an exclusively Catholic doctrine.
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The Holy Trinity as being talked about here, is a man-made-creed set up by the Nicean Creed. The reason people get confused is that, in John 17, (note) this is when Jesus was praying to his Father, if they were the same then why would he pray to the Father? The way they are one is in purpose, they all have the same goals and objectives, therefore they are one in design and purpose.
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The holy trinity is referred to as the three persons. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, which we believe is God.
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Theologians studying the Bible found that unique attributes of God are associated with "persons" identified as the "Father," the "Son," and "the Spirit." The Bible is also very clear that there is only one God. Christian theologians concluded that the one God exists as three "persons," and gave this idea the name "trinity." There are many interactions between these persons identified in the Bible, the Son was sent by the Father; the Father loves the Son; the Son loves the Father; the Spirit was sent by the Father; the Son asks the Father; etc. So we conclude that they are not the same "person," but the Bible is very clear that there is only one God. See http://www.answerbag.com/a_view.php/7097 for more. (Note to saddened: Every trinitarian theologian I have ever heard of takes this belief only from the Bible. You may disagree with their interpretation, you may even hate them for their doctrines, but that does not make this answer wrong or not useful. The assertion that what thousands of scholars and theologians over the millennia have understood from the Bible is "a lie from Satan" is offensive to most Christians (and probably preposterous to any objective thinker).
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Answer submitted with permission from the original author, with modifications: The 'Holy Trinity' is a doctrine taught by most of the orthodox Christian church. It was developed some time around the fourth century. It basically says that God is one God, but is made up of three separate parts, the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost (or Spirit). An example of how this works could be something like an elementary particle or chemical compound of elements, which exist in different states, solid, liquid and gas. In the example of water; ice, water and…most people would say steam, which is actually a liquid, but actually water vapor might be more appropriate? There is some debate over the validity of this doctrine, while some people use bible verses to support the theory it has been suggested that this Trinity Doctrine was based on scriptures that were translated incorrectly, and is actually based on previous religions, and allegations that the translators believing the teachings of the old religions interpreted the scriptures to suit their beliefs. The scriptures in question were phrased ambiguously in the original text, so to accurately translate we must do as the other translators did, we must make a careful assessment of the context, to find out what the rest of the Bible says about the subject so we can determine which translation is correct. Here are some scriptures I found which may have some impact on how we should interpret the Bible: (Luke 4:8) "Jesus said to him: “It is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’” (Psalm 83:18) "That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth." (John 1:18) "No man has seen God at any time" (1 Corinthians 8:4) . . ., and that there is no God but one. . . (James 2:19) "You believe there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well" (1 Timothy 2:5) "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus" (1 Corinthians 8:4-6) Now concerning the eating of foods offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no God but one. For even though there are those who are called “gods,” whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him. (Isaiah 2:10-11) 10 Enter into the rock and hide yourself in the dust because of the dreadfulness of Jehovah, and from his splendid superiority. The haughty eyes of earthling man must become low, and the loftiness of men must bow down; and Jehovah alone must be put on high in that day. . . 1 Corinthians 15:27-28 "For [God] “subjected all things under his (Jesus) feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that it is with the exception of the one who subjected all things to him. But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone." Notice that the writer implies that God is all-powerful, it is by His will and by His power that all of creation is put in subjection to the Christ. If Jesus was God then he would subject things by his own authority. This is also displayed in Jesus' own words at John 5:19 "Therefore, in answer, Jesus went on to say to them: “Most truly I say to you, The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing." I certainly don't want to belittle Jesus, he is the son of God, the firstborn of all of creation, the one in whom Jehovah our god was well pleased and anointed as King over all of creation, but there can be only one God! Or did they both come into existence simultaneously?. . . Is not one the creator of the other? (Malachi 2:10) “Is it not one father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us?" There are many scriptures that disprove the trinitarian doctrine, this is not my philosophy alone, but the word of God! The trinitarian doctrine is common throughout the world, but it is not supported by the Bible; Psalms 8:18 "That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth." Most of the ancient pagan religions worshipped a trinity and it is beleived that these customs were included into some Christian sects in the fourth century A.D.. The New Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”—(1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126. The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299. In The Encyclopedia Americana we read: “Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”—(1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L. According to the Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel, “The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches. . . . This Greek philosopher’s [Plato, fourth century B.C.E.] conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all the ancient [pagan] religions.”—(Paris, 1865-1870), edited by M. Lachâtre, Vol. 2, p. 1467. John L. McKenzie, S.J., in his Dictionary of the Bible, says: “The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are G[ree]k philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’ were erroneously applied to God by some theologians.”—(New York, 1965), p. 899. Almost the entire basis for the trinity doctrine is this one verse: (John 1:1) . . .In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God", but it should be noted that the phrases saying “the word was with “”God””, and “the Word was “”God””, the word translated as “God” in those two phrases is not the same word, yet it is translated to mean the same thing in English. Some bibles, like the Revised King James Version, have footnotes and commentary from the translators which state it could possibly be translated as “a god”, and other bibles actually translate it as “the word was a god”, recognizing the possibility of the word not being the one true God, the Almighty, but someone having power and authority yet being under subjection to the one who created him, which is in complete agreement with the rest of the Bible, whereas the belief that there is more than one God or a God having multiple parts or identities contradicts the rest of the Bible, like where it says “no man has seen God”, yet the writer has seen Jesus, who Trinitarians believe is God or a “part” of God. Note also in Philippians 2:5-11, where it says “Keep this mental attitude in YOU that was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.” So it says Jesus is not equal to God, and did not try to become so. It goes on in verse 7 to say “No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and came to be in the likeness of men. 8 More than that, when he found himself in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient as far as death, yes, death on a torture stake.” So he was obedient to his master…if he was actually God, he would simply be obedient to himself then? Doesn’t everyone follow their own desires and act obediently toward the inclinations of their own heart? Is there great reward and glory from God for someone following their own impulses? Yet the text goes on to say he was rewarded for being obedient to God, in verse 9 it says “For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position…” and note the latter portio of the same verse, “and kindly gave him the name that is above every [other] name, 10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.” So God “gave” this superior position to Jesus, Jesus did not have authority to seize it for himself, nor did he already “have” this position to due his “godship” which had already been established as required for him to be a part of God or a trinity of Gods. The most important verse which is used to support the trinity doctrine is John 1:1, but this verse has been translated incorrectly by trinitrians to support their false teachings. In every instance throughout the entire Bible they translate a greek noun with no definite article as being an indefinite article in English, except one. The one which is the only proof they have that Jesus is God. It should be understood that the Greek language has no indefinite article, it only has the definite article, so to insinuate an indefinite the article is simply absent, so any translation into English where there is no definite article must contain the indefinite article with the associated noun. This site does not allow for the display of the original language, so to view it and a complete explanation of this translation you can visit http://www.greeklatinaudio.com/john11.htm Anyways, a word for word literal translation of the greek text is in beginning was the word and the word was with the god and god was the word Note how the definite article precedes "god" in the first instance, but there is no definite article before the second "god". So the definite article must be used where there is one in the original Greek, but where there is no definite article in Greek, there is no definite article in English, so an indefinite article is introduced to make the speech meaningful and fluent, as it is done in every other place in the entire Bible, to correctly translate it as in a beginning was the word and the word was with the god and a god was the word Note now the difference between "the God", and "a god"...why has it been translated incorrectly in almost every Bible? Why, where the phrases are different in the Greek, are they translated the same in English? Perhaps the additional removal of Gods name in over 7000 places is an indication that these translations are imperfect. why would someone deliberately ignore proper translation practices to make the Bible support this false trinity doctrine? The trinity is actually derived from otther religions which worship a trinity of Gods, and the trinity belief was introduced by converts, and perpetuated so as not to offend them or raise controversy, making their conversion more easy and increasing the recruitment, to increase the poer of the church by increasing membership and revenues, at the expense of sacrificing true worship and accurate knowledge.
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The Holy Trinity is One Body. Working in the body is The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Trinity means three. God sent the Son to be the Savor of the world. Then we had the Holy Spirit come into our lives to help us make the right decisions.
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The central doctrine of religions of Christendom. According to the Athanasian Creed, there are three divine Persons (the Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost), each said to be eternal, each said to be almighty, none greater or less than another, each said to be God, and yet together being but one God. Other statements of the dogma emphasize that these three “Persons” are not separate and distinct individuals but are three modes in which the divine essence exists. Thus some Trinitarians emphasize their belief that Jesus Christ is God, or that Jesus and the Holy Ghost are Jehovah. Not a Bible teaching.
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The use of this expression ( holy trinity ) doesn't appear in any Bible printed, John 1:1 still remains the most common scripture in which many have chosen to support the holy trinity doctrine. Since the Father and the Son in this verse John 1:1 are the only ones mentioned ( no 'Spirit' ) other scriptures are used to provide, according to Trinitarians, a clearer picture in support of the holy trinity doctrine. The Book, 'What About John 1:1?', will discuss in great detail this holy trinity doctrine and explain why it is virtually impossible for this concept to exist considering every scripture used by believers of the holy trinity doctrine. It will provide an extremely clear picture of why and where the holy trinity doctrine came to be accepted into the Church, the beginnings of the holy trinity doctrine and a detailed reference and guide book for honest students of the Bible who want to learn more about the falsehoods associated with the teachings of the holy trinity doctrine. 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. Psalms 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH (YHWH), art the most high over all the earth. http://geocities.com/understand_the_trinity
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The use of this expression ( holy trinity ) doesn't appear in any Bible printed, John 1:1 still remains the most common scripture in which many have chosen to support the holy trinity doctrine. Since the Father and the Son in this verse John 1:1 are the only ones mentioned ( no 'Spirit' ) other scriptures are used to provide, according to Trinitarians, a clearer picture in support of the holy trinity doctrine. The Book, 'What About John 1:1?', will discuss in great detail this holy trinity doctrine and explain why it is virtually impossible for this concept to exist considering every scripture used by believers of the holy trinity doctrine. It will provide an extremely clear picture of why and where the holy trinity doctrine came to be accepted into the Church, the beginnings of the holy trinity doctrine and a detailed reference and guide book for honest students of the Bible who want to learn more about the falsehoods associated with the teachings of the holy trinity doctrine. 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. Psalms 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH (YHWH), art the most high over all the earth. http://geocities.com/understand_the_trinity
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The Father, the Son(also called "the Word"), and the Holy Ghost who exist as One God (I John 5:7 KJV). I hope that this helps. -In the Master's service. Thank you and God bless you!
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It is a filthy God dishonoring doctrine that holds two of Gods creations at the same level of diety as He Himself. His only "begotten" son (or only son He created personally) Jesus, and His holy spirit which He created to work out His purposes. This doctrine stems from Babylon and marks some of the religions that are trapped in 'Babylon the great' spoken of in Revelation. We are all told to "get out of her!", or not to associate ourselves with her disgusting doctrines.
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Among the many articles of faith taught by the Christian doctrine there's the so-called the "TRINITY". A self-contradicting riddle which I find to be the worst of all the riddles comprised in Christian dogma. By far the most confusing and perplexing yet the one which seems to be at the core of the entire Christian tenet. In any attempt to unravel and reconcile the inescapable dilemma the Trinity itself presents, one would have to assume that GOD is splitting Himself (that's arbitrarily assuming, as most believers do, that God is a male) into three seemingly different entities: "The Father", "The Son" and "The Holy Spirit". This God "begot" "The Son" (or Jesus). We all kow that to "BEGET" means: "to become the father of". That means that if GOD is the father and the Son(Jesus) both simultaneously then, notwithstanding the irrational nature of such an idea, inevitably its intrinsic rationale would be that GOD [begot Himself!] Consequently, here we have the most oncomprehensible phenomenon of GOD being a father and a Son to Himself simultaneously. Let us check this excerpt from the Bible itself: "...My food is to do the will of Him who [sent] me, and to accomplish His work..." (John 4:34). It is quite obvious to me that statement is in direct conflict with the Trinitarian concept. If we were to apply simple rationality, and make a distinction between these two entities--bearing in mind that one is "BEGOTTEN" and the other is the "BEGOTER", then the above statement would take on the form of a deception; which means that GOD actually didn't send anybody but instead, through some sort of metamorphosis, or whatever, transformed Himself into this man they call "Jesus", then came down to earth and did His own "will". That is, in His [unsuccessful] campaign to save the world He not only impregnated the Virgin Mary but He Himself also, simultaneously, became the human embryo inside Virgin Mary's womb which eventually was born and grew up and made Himself a vicarious sacrifice in order to forgive men for "The Sin" two people committed and for which we all are allegedly inherently guilty. Can this jumbo be put in any more perspicuous way?
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To the Scotch-Irish pioneers, it was: The Holy Bible, The Long Rifle, and The Whiskey Jug.
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Trinity = tri + unity.
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Well, MY holy trinity is the ol twig and giggleberries but my favorite usage of the more popular religious variety (not to say that my trinity isn't popular, or even less worshiped by the faithful few who have had the fortune of reaching the altar, I just can't compete with their numbers) In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti
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PART I: The Trinity is not a self-contradicting riddle. It’s a name placed on a class of Biblical phenomena and Christian experience, just as “gravity” is just a name placed on a class of physical phenomena. Attempts to fully explain what each really is, are another thing. Now attempts to describe (and defend) the Trinity without reference to the Biblical evidence and the culture and beliefs of the people that produced it, but instead only using very unclear and ill-defined abstractions (like “person” vs. “being”) is like trying to describe (and defend) sex to a six-year-old using only Geometry and French Existentialism. Sadly, that’s been the way the scholastics and their less philosophically astute descendants have been doing it for the last thousand years. So permit me to start with the Biblical and historical basics. While the Old Testament would seem to put forward an absolute monotheism, there are many passages, particularly in the Torah, that indicate a more sophisticated if mysterious and paradoxical view of the Godhead. The most pressing example is “THE Angel of the Lord”: when he shows up, the text makes it clear that God Himself is in some amazing way especially present, as if He is not just represented by, but in some sense manifesting through The Angel of the Lord. Most tellingly, The Angel of the Lord is worshipped as God Himself, and He accepts the worship as proper and fitting. In addition to this … entity? … there was also the “Ruach Qadesh” (literally “the Holy Spirit/Breath/Wind”), and just as often called “the Spirit/Breath/Wind of Yahweh”, which (who?) is presented in Scripture as a personal being (as opposed to just some sort of force or feeling), and is likewise likened to, and equated with God, while at the same time being distinguished from Him. There are many other examples in the OT, all well discussed in a mountain of literature on the subject, so I won’t take the time to go into them all here. You can read about them if you want to. In the Inter-Testamental Period (400BC-30AD) a proto-Trinitarian view was developing among Jews. Many writings of the time show that, believing that God was so perfectly righteous and holy, not even the Cherubim could look on His Face without being incinerated. The problem was then how does an all-holy, all-righteous God have any contact with creation. Their answer was a chain of intermediate beings, and at the top of the hierarchy (Jacob’s stairway) were two beings. The first was “God-Who-Reveals-God” (also called – or associated with – The Angel of the Lord, Metatron, “Little Yahweh”, The Word (Memra in Aramaic/Logos in Greek), Divine Wisdom, and “The Son of Man”). This being was eternal and uncreated, yet somehow wholly subordinate to and dependent upon “God-Who-Is-God”. But unlike even the highest of Cherubim, he sat upon the throne of God, had all the power, glory, and authority of God, and indeed had created all of creation in the name of God. He was so perfectly submitted to God, that his will was God’s will, his desires were God’s desires, and his words and deeds were the words and deeds of God Himself. Most importantly, he not only could look God in the Face, he never stopped. The idea was that if you wanted to know what “God-Who-Is-God” was like, you had only to (and could only) look at “God-Who-Reveals-God”, who was so much like God that no meaningful distinction could be made … and yet the Jews insisted on making one. But the idea is that here you have a being who is entirely, absolutely and perfectly “God’s man”, God’s perfect servant, agent, fellow, and son – and also God’s perfect consort, handmaiden, lover, and bride (They used both feminine as well as masculine metaphors to characterize the relationship – most of the feminine ones are found in Proverbs and the targums on it, and the Sophia tradition in Eastern Orthodoxy originates in these). As such, as the being perfectly transparent to God’s character and will, “God-Who-Reveals-God” is the perfect conduit, and the perfect priest, by and through whom all creation gets to know God. – And in case you hadn’t guessed it, it is the universal testimony of the early Church, the Church Fathers, the evangelists, the apostles, and of Jesus Himself, that Jesus was and is the incarnation of this being.
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Part II: The other was “God-Who-Is-The-Presence-Of-God”, whom they associated with the Ruach Qadesh and The Shekina Glory (the manifestation of God over the Ark of the Covenant in the Tabernacle). The central characteristic of this one of the three is that, while the first two are very much “out there”, that is, external to ourselves, this most enigmatic of the three is the only one of which people have direct and indeed utterly personal, intimate, internal experience. When the whole congregation was suddenly seized with an utterly overwhelming sense of both awe and joy, such that would make their souls leap and their bodies fall and their mouths sing and shout God’s praise, the Ruach Qadesh had come among them. When a man was seized and filled with a sense of mission, and all his talents, skills, and abilities, and even his flaws and weaknesses, performed together like a great symphony orchestra producing the great work of his life, the Ruach Qadesh had come upon him, not treating him as an automaton as a possessing demon might, but rather playing him as a master musician plays an instrument, bringing out of it the music that it was made to make, and that it alone can make. The Ruach Qadesh was (and is) the life of God AND life with God. The thing is, there was never a time when these other two did not exist. Both were uncreated and eternal, yet wholly dependent on, subordinate to, and even contingent upon, “God-Who-Is-God.” These beliefs underlie the New Testament writings, and the indeed the teachings of the early Christians, and even in the 1st century, they were already talking about “The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit”, and calling all three God, individually and collectively. Now as to whether this leaves you with 1 God with 2 wingmen, or 3 Gods … or a kind of “God Corp.”, depends entirely on what you mean by “God”. -- Got a definition? Sure it’s the same as everybody else’s? However, in Christianity and even religious philosophy in general, Monotheism vs. Polytheism is not about “1 divine king vs. many divine kings”, but rather “1 Absolute Moral Standard vs. many standards (i.e., none)”. When Christians say “God is Love” we mean it. God is all-holy, all-righteous, all-compassionate. The Father is all of these. The Son is all of these. The Spirit is all of these. Ergo…. Also, righteousness, morals, justice, grace, compassion, love and mercy are not disembodied abstractions AND they are never and cannot be impersonal or non-personal. They are fundamentally one-in-the-same, inextricably bound up with each other. They are also inescapably inter-personal and relational. There is no love where there is not both a lover and beloved. There can be neither right nor wrong where there is no moral agent and no one else to do right or wrong by. Goodness only makes sense in a community of persons. If God is Goodness itself, He is by definition multi-personal. And as every language bears out, and as the Postmodernists have unwittingly made clear, you cannot have an “I” without a “Thou”, but once you have an “I” and a “Thou” you have an “Us” – but an “Us” is only possible if you also have a “Him”. All languages testify to this: they all have no more and no less than three persons. *Please note, HE is the universal personal pronoun. It does not indicate a male, but merely an animate being/creature, while IT refers to an inanimate object. SHE came late to the English language, created (like all human language beyond grunts and hand gestures) by women to refer to themselves and later used poetically and affectionately by men to refer to things they saw as both dear and feminine (ships, cars, towns, etc.). Apart from poetic uses, SHE indicates a female only, while HE indicates an animate being or entity, even if it’s a sexless amoeba or an hermaphrodite mollusk.
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Hindu Holy Trinity: Lord Brahma is the first member of the Brahmanical triad, Vishnu being the second and Shiva, the third. Lord Krishna is the incarnation of the second member.
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