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If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around, does it make a sound?

By Doomraider Asked Oct 22 2005 9:21AM
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by Anon on Oct 22, 2005 at 2:18 pm Permalink

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From a scientific standpoint, it depends whether you consider sound to be the actual sound waves or only the perception of those waves by an ear. For the first, a definite yes. For the second, no (unless forest critters don't count as someone).

Philosophically, there are many ways to answer. Personally, I see it as a metaphor for karma. Whatever someone or something does, it has results - even if no one observes it. Sound would be symbolic of the karmic results.

It goes back to the moral question - "If I don't get caught, is it still wrong to do ______?" Well, if someone is asking themselves that question, the answer is likely to be "yes."

Another parallel can be seen in a commonly used example from Chaos Theory - the "Butterfly Effect" - whereby the actions of a simple butterfly can (hypothetically) effect global weather patterns.

Of course, this question is a Zen koan, and as such it is important not to take it too literally. The main purpose of such koans is not that we must figure out the "right" answer, but rather that we open our minds in the process.
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Avatar jdoggiedogg Jul, 13 2006 at 05:54 PM
From the point of view of the butterfly effect, a tree falling could lead to a hurricane, and they're loud
Avatar Jodie44 Dec, 09 2006 at 08:47 AM
Perfect answer.
Avatar EverVigil Oct, 09 2008 at 08:06 PM
Yes yes, perfect answer.

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by Highlander is semi-retired from AB on Jul 25, 2007 at 5:48 am Permalink

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No. Only if there are ears to hear the sound. The fall creates vibrations not sound. The tymphanic membrane transfers these vibrations to the middle ear which registers what we know as sound. Without the ear, there is no sound.
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Avatar Anti-Semantic - Quaerens Intellectum May, 26 2008 at 06:21 AM
On the contrary. It's not that I don't understand them, I just consider myself a pragmatist; [most] questions or answers that don't make literal sense, are either incomplete or just wrong in my opinion.
Avatar Highlander is semi-retired from AB May, 27 2008 at 04:19 AM
Thanks for your opinion.
Avatar dashkevichm Jul, 01 2008 at 08:52 PM
I agree, sound is what you hear. If no one hears it then its 'vibration' due to friction was never converted to 'sound'.

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by Poseidon on Sep 19, 2006 at 12:31 pm Permalink

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yes. physics has proven it. A tree has massive potential energy, and it's fall converts it into kinetic energy. When the tree comes into contact with anything, say, the ground, that item is forced to absorb the energy of the impact, releasing heat and sound from friction and impact.
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Avatar AntigoneRising Oct, 06 2006 at 11:08 AM
exactly...the impact releases soundwaves...the presence of "someone" is not necessary, nor does it change the process
Avatar BobSaccamano-is-back Oct, 29 2006 at 02:51 PM
Sucked the fun out of that one. :)
Avatar Finskin Nov, 16 2006 at 06:18 PM
Partially misleading. The tree produces pressure waves when it strikes the ground, either in air or (seismological) vibrations in the ground, which can ONLY become 'sound' waves, and therefore 'audible', on conversion by a receptor (either mechanical/microphone or ear) plus a converter (amplifier > speaker and brain).

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by Anonymous on Oct 31, 2006 at 11:56 am Permalink

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No it doesn't make a sound....it makes pressure waves in the air sure, but until those waves hit an ear and is converted into sound by the brain they will merely remain pressure waves. When someone sneeks up on you, you say, man you didn't even make a sound!! Well of course they didn't make a sound because the pressure waves never made it to your ear.
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Avatar Anonymous Oct, 31 2006 at 12:07 PM
I'll have to agree with this one.
Avatar Finskin Nov, 16 2006 at 06:07 PM
Spot on! Pressure waves must have an ear drum (or equivalent), plus a brain, to be converted from silent waves into 'sound' - within the brain.
Avatar philosopher-saint Jun, 18 2009 at 11:28 AM
This, succinctly yet accurately stated, has been my stance since I've 1st considered the question in 1938! Get down Anon! +6
[and welcome to AB!]
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by - retroglide - on Apr 13, 2007 at 6:16 pm Permalink

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I've been told that technically it doesn't. My understanding is that the sound waves must bounce off the ear drum to truly produce a sound.
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Avatar R U Sirius Apr, 13 2007 at 06:26 PM
I bet if you were to put a recording device there it would produce a sound----------pts
Avatar Babycakes Apr, 13 2007 at 06:27 PM
..that was a good answer retro..but still I wonder.
Avatar - retroglide - Apr, 13 2007 at 06:27 PM
And I bet you are right. I hadn't thought of that. I've always thought that was an odd theory.

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by TAPriceCTR on Oct 7, 2009 at 4:38 pm Permalink

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yes. the universe does not give a crap about our existence. the laws are followed regardless of our approval or observation. before man discovered that the world was round... it was still round.
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by Factotum on Oct 7, 2009 at 4:36 pm Permalink

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If sound is propagated waves of mechanical vibrations moving through air then yes, it does.
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by justsomeone on Oct 7, 2009 at 4:24 pm Permalink

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does it? do the birds chirp if men are not there to listen? does the wolf howl at the moon just to scare people? what would be the difference if humans are there or not? this riddle is actually meant to ask, would the world care if humans were gone or not? the truth. no if we disappeared the world would keep revolving. so to answer your question, yes the tree makes a sound but it makes no difference if we hear it or not.
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by Midgardsormr on Jan 12, 2008 at 6:55 pm Permalink

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A sound is defined as physical vibrations transmitted through a medium. Under that definition, anything that causes such vibrations makes a sound, whether or not someone is present to perceive it.

A "noise," on the other hand, is a subjective concept that requires someone to perceive it in order to judge it as noise or something else (such as music).

That's the way I view this particular conundrum. However, I hold that there is an objective reality that exists whether or not we accede to it. That is by no means a universal belief.
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by Keysha on Oct 7, 2009 at 4:37 pm Permalink

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Does changing the words around in a sentence, even though it says the same thing, make it no longer a duplicate?
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