The differences are numerous and can't all be listed in a short article. A few of the most important as I see them as a Baptist are these. Baptists believe that the Bible is the only measure of what is right and true. We believe that the scriptures are as complete as God wants them to be.EVERYTHING God wanted to be in the book is in it. Mormons on the other hand believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet who lived in the 1800's. They hold his writings as Holy scripture, even more important than the Bible. They will deny this, but ask one a doctrinal question, and they will quote the book of mormon or doctrines and covenants every time. Those are both writings of Joseph Smith. Baptists believe that Jesus was concieved by the Holy Spirit in Mary. There was no "physical" union between them. God said "Let Mary be with child:" and she was. Mormons believe that God came down in a physical form and slept with Mary, thereby concieving Jesus in sin, because Mary was not married to God, and let's not mention that if this were true, Jesus would be His own Father. Baptists believe that God is one being, made of three separate parts, Father , Son, and Holy Spirit. This is described in the Bible repeatedly. Mormons scoff at this, and say there can be no three parts of one God. They say it makes no sense. How can one God do three things at once or be in three places at once? Baptists say God can do whatever He wants to do. Baptists believe that when we get to Heaven, we will have new glorified bodies which will feel no pain, nor tire, nor age. That is what the Bible says. We shall be as God is, physically. Mormons believe that if they live a good enough life, and study their "scriptures" enough, and do enough good deeds, then the male mormons will be as God is, meaning they will BE gods, even having their own planet full of worshippers. God says there was no God before Him and there will be no God after Him. There are many more differences than these, and a little research will yield a world of information. I hope this helps at least a little. For Phoenix, This answer is based on my personal experience with Mormons. I have been told many things that they believe, and some of it by a Mormon Bishop. If you are offended by my answer I'm sorry. Not for pointing out error in some of your beliefs, but I don't believe that beating someone up and making them feel bad is a good witness. There is nothing untrue or second hand in my answer, and I stand by it 100%. If that bothers you, might I suggest some prayer and BIBLE reading.Have a good day. Here are your references: MORMON DOCTRINE, p.546-547. Our Lord is the only Son of the Father in the flesh. Each word is to be understood literally. Christ was begotten by an immortal father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers. MORMON DOCTRINE, p.742. God is an immortal personage...Christ is his literal son...there is nothing figurative about his paternity...He was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events. MORMON DOCTRINE (abbreviated MD), p.322. Late LDS apostle Bruce R. McConkie wrote [quoting Joseph Smith]: "Further, as the Prophet also taught, there is a god above the father of our Lord Jesus Christ...If Jesus Christ was the son of God, and John discovered that God the Father of Jesus Christ had a father also...Was there ever a son without a father?" These references are from official LDS books, considered church doctrine. What they say is this, the "the exhalted man that God is, came down and had sex with Jesus' mother, and begat Jesus. God says that He is the "I AM". He has always existed, and was not created. He also says He is the ONLY GOD, there were none before Him and none after. By that truth, Jesus was His own Physical father, in the mormon's version. Why go through the effort, if He already had a physical body, why go into Mary and make another? The Bible says that The Holy spirit begat Jesus, without physical union, that Jesus was God Himself, and indwelled the body created by the Holy Spirit through Mary. In the Bible's description, Jesus' body was concieved as the world was, by the word of God, and thus was without sin. In the mormon's version, Mary had sex with a man she was not married to, and thus was a sinner, an adultress, and Jesus also was a sinner. If Jesus was a sinner, then His crucifiction was just a death, and not the culmination of His mission on Earth, to enable lost men to be given eternal life. The mormon version is NOT the message of Christianity, nor is it correct. Sorry guys. At this URL you will find much more info: http://www.saintsalive.com/mormonism/reallybelievethat.htm

The first and most important difference is the concept of God. Mormons believe in the God as described in the Bible. God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Jesus prayed to God the Father, he ascended into heaven to be on the right hand of God. Mormons believe man was made in the image of God. Mormons believe that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are one God in purpose (being the salvation of mankind), yet three distinct beings. Baptists believe in the creeds. The Nicene Creed created through the influence of the Roman emperor Constantine to gain greater control over the people. The creed was created through a council in Nicaea in the year A.D. 325 and included churchmen, philosophers, and political leaders. After 125 years of debate and three more major councils, the Nicene Creed was finalized. Anyone who rose in opposition to it was killed. Baptists are a branch from the Roman Catholic church. The second is priesthood authority. Mormons believe that when Jesus was on the earth he gave his apostles the authority to lead his church and administer ordinances of salvation, such as baptism. Mormons believe that this priesthood authority was lost to mankind due to the falling away after the apostles deaths. (Isaiah foretold of it Isa. 24:5, 29:13, 60:2; likewise Amos 8:11; and the apostles Acts 20:29, 1 Cor. 11:18, 2 Thes. 2:3, 2 Tim 1:15, 2 Tim 3:5, Titus 1:16, Rev 2:2, Rev 3:16) Mormons believe that Jesus Christ appeared to Joseph Smith Jr. in 1820 and restored His church, The Church of Jesus Christ and in so doing restored the priesthood authority through Peter, James, and John. Baptists authority less documented. The first Baptist church organized in America was founded by Roger Williams in Rhode Island in 1638 with no clear claim to priesthood authority directly from Christ.

The fact that Baptist beliefs can be supported with Archaelogical information,as well as spiritual, from the Bible in a coherant manner, where as ABSOULUTELY NONE of the Mormon ones can from the BoM and the "Book of Abraham" (Which the translation of was completely false). Jeeze, you would think ol' Joseph would have guessed at least one of these theories right. Wait, hang on, I think my cooking pan is talking to me, I need to go and grab my all-seeing rock, be back a bit later.

Mormonism is so radically different from both Catholicism and Protestantism that I would not be able to classify it as an offshoot of Christianity, but an entirely different religion. I'd say the biggest deviation with Christianity is in the understanding of God, specifically the trinity: Intstead of three persons in the one Godhead, Mormons teach the trinity is actually three gods who form one divinity. God the Father is an exalted man, who lived on some other planet and has achieved his divine status through a death similar to that of humans. God the Father has relatives as well as a wife, the Heavenly Mother, which whom he has spirit children, one of which is Jesus. The Holy Spirit is the son of heavenly parents, and was procreated sometime after the creation of the world.

Joseph Smith is a hero to one and a zero to the other.

1. God. Mormons (common name of members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints or "LDS") believe that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are three different persons, united in purpose. Jesus Christ is both the spiritual and physical son of God the Father. Jesus Christ atoned for the sins of mankind and is the Savior of the world. The Holy Ghost is a personage of spirit whose primary mission is to bear witness of truth, particularly that Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world. Baptists believe that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are one person, performing three different roles from time to time. 2. Priesthood Authority. LDS believe that ordinances such as baptism must be performed with authority to act in God's name, which is called the priesthood. LDS believe that their priesthood authority can be traced in a direct line to Jesus Christ. Priesthood authority is conveyed from one priesthood holder to another by the laying of hands with approval by a presiding priesthood authority. Baptists do not believe in any requirement for priesthood authority. Their officers, including pastors and deacons, do not claim to have received direct authority from Christ to perform their roles. 3. Eternal nature of Family. LDS believe that family relationships can continue in the next life. Baptists do not believe that families live together for eternity as family units. 4. Scriptures. LDS believe that the Bible is the word of God and teaches truth, but allow for the possibility that some of the Bible in the form we have it today may not have been translated correctly over the centuries. LDS believe that God has given scripture to other people in addition to the Jewish nation (the Bible) and that such scriptures include, but are likely not limited to, scriptures given to inhabitants of the American continent (the Book of Mormon). Baptists believe that the Bible is perfect, without any error, and is totally true and trustworthy. Baptists do not profess a belief in any communication by God to any people other than the Jewish nation as recorded in the Holy Bible. 5. Salvation. LDS believe that people are saved by the Grace of God, referred to by LDS as the atonement of Christ, on condition of people repenting and keeping the commandments. Baptists believe that it is by grace alone that people are saved. Although believers may fall into sin through neglect and temptation, yet they shall be brought by the power of God through faith unto salvation. 6. Character of afterlife. LDS believe that there are not just two divisions--heaven and hell--to which people are assigned. Rather, they believe that in God's kingdom are "many mansions" and that people are rewarded based on their degree of righteousness on earth. The three major divisions are the Celestial Kingdom, Terrestial Kingdom, and Telestial Kingdom. All three kingdoms are glorious and represent a reward. LDS believe that in the Celestial Kingdom, people will dwell with both the Father and the Son and that eventually, they can become Gods, although LDS do not believe that they will necessarily be equal to or ever surpass God the Father. LDS believe that only in the highest kingdom will people be able to continue to live as families. Baptists believe that after the judgment day, Christ will judge all men. The unrighteous will be consigned to Hell, the place of everlasting punishment. The righteous will dwell forever in Heaven with the Lord. 7. Attitude towards other religions. LDS believe that all religions have portions of light and truth and that they should respect all religious beliefs. LDS believe that the LDS church possesses the fullness of the gospel and that it is the only religion that has priesthood authority. LDS believe that all people, regardless of their beliefs on earth, will have a chance, either in this life or the next life, to hear the fullness of the gospel and reach the highest kingdom in heaven. All people will be judged primarily based on the way they live their life on earth, regardless of their religion. Baptists believe that a person who is not Christian cannot be saved. The billions of people in the world who are muslims, hindus, etc. are condemned even if they never heard of Christ or had any opportunity to accept Christ's teachings. Baptists believe that LDS are not Christian because of the LDS belief in continuing communication between God and man, their belief in the nature of the Godhead as three distinct individuals, and other beliefs that differ from Baptist belief.

The differences begin with the attitude towards the Bible. Baptists, like all mainline Christians, believe that the Bible is the word of God, and that it has been transmitted accurately over the centuries (textual criticism and archaeology support this view). Therefore, what is revealed in the Bible is what is necessary for salvation. One crucial theological point is found in Hebrews 1: " 1 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven." This sums up Biblical revelation: the prophets (old Testament) and Jesus (new Testament). It is clear from this passage that there is to be no more major revelations until Jesus returns. However, the LDS claim that there was a further revelation, one that became known as the Book of MOrmon. Even a summary look can see that the Book of MOrmon has nothing to do with the historical revelation of God, as described in the Old and New Testaments, but takes away from it, by adding "new" revelations about the nature of God and his plan of salvation. These revelations are supposed to have taken place in a subsequent appearance of Jesus in the Americas, which is not even hinted at in the New Testament. So what do Baptists and other Christians make of this? There is another very salient teaching in the New Testament, summed up in Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! Since an "angel from heaven" is supposed to have brought this different gospel, the inference is clear.

The main difference is that the Mormons believe in the Book of Mormon. This book was supposedly given to Joseph Smith by an angel on golden tablets, which he translated. This book is believed to be the Word of God. Mormons reject the notion of a Triune God, and believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are separate entities. They also have a Holy Mother. Mormons have slightly different beliefs about the nature of Heaven, and also believe that punishment/learning in Hell is temporary. http://www.religionfacts.com/mormonism/beliefs/afterlife.htm

Usually I can defend the religion. It's the people in it that give it a good or bad name. The Mormon relgion sounds crazy to me, but most of the people are very loving and giving. (Not the crazies in Colorado City or the Utah faction of nutters). I don't doubt that John Smith had visions. Where there is a leader there are always sheep to follow.

http://www.carm.org/lds/lds_doctrines.htm What does Mormonism teach? The doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) are very interesting. Most of the 'odd' ones are not initially taught to potential converts. But they should be. Instead, "they are revealed later as one matures and gains the ability to accept them." The LDS Church tries to make its official doctrines appear Christian but what underlies those Christian sounding terms is far from Christian in meaning. Following are the teachings of its officials throughout the years. Please note that these teachings are documented from Mormon writers, not anti-Mormon writers. Finally, many Mormons respond that most of the the citations below are not from official Mormon writings, as if that disproves the doctrines they teach. If they are not official, fine. But, if not, then why have the Mormon apostles and high officials taught them, written them, and why are their books sold in Mormon bookstores? The truth is, the following is what Mormons are taught. Atonement "Jesus paid for all our sins when He suffered in the Garden of Gethsemane," (Laurel Rohlfing, “Sharing Time: The Atonement,” Friend, Mar. 1989, 39.) "We accept Christ's atonement by repenting of our sins, being baptized, receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost, and obeying all of the commandments," (Gospel Principles, Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1979, pg. 68.) Baptism Baptism for the dead, (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. II, p. 141.) This is a practice of baptizing each other in place of non-Mormons who are now dead. Their belief is that in the afterlife, the "newly baptized" person will be able to enter into a higher level of Mormon heaven. Bible "We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly. . ." 8th Article of Faith of the Mormon Church. "Wherefore, thou seest that after the book hath gone forth through the hands of the great and abominable church, that there are many plain and precious things taken away from the book, which is the book of the Lamb of God." (1 Nephi 13:28). Book of Mormon The book of Mormon is more correct than the Bible, (History of the Church, 4:461.) Devil, the The Devil was born as a spirit after Jesus "in the morning of pre-existence," (Mormon Doctrine, page 192.) Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in heaven to them both, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163.) A plan of salvation was needed for the people of earth so Jesus offered a plan to the Father and Satan offered a plan to the father but Jesus' plan was accepted. In effect the Devil wanted to be the Savior of all Mankind and to "deny men their agency and to dethrone god." (Mormon Doctrine, page 193; Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, page 8.) God God used to be a man on another planet, Mormon Doctrine, p. 321. Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, Vol 5, pp. 613-614; Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, Vol 2, p. 345, Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333.) "The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s..." (D&C 130:22). God is in the form of a man, (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3.) "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!!! . . . We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea and take away the veil, so that you may see" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345 God the Father had a Father, (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 476; Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 19; Milton Hunter, First Council of the Seventy, Gospel through the Ages, p. 104-105.) God resides near a star called Kolob, (Pearl of Great Price, pages 34-35; Mormon Doctrine, p. 428.) God had sexual relations with Mary to make the body of Jesus, (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, p. 218, 1857; vol. 8, p. 115.) - This one is disputed among many Mormons and not always 'officially' taught and believed. Nevertheless, Young, the 2nd prophet of the Mormon church taught it. "Therefore we know that both the Father and the Son are in form and stature perfect men; each of them possesses a tangible body . . . of flesh and bones." (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 38). God, becoming a god After you become a good Mormon, you have the potential of becoming a god, (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pages 345-347, 354.) "Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them," (DC 132:20). God, many gods There are many gods, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163.) "And they (the Gods) said: Let there be light: and there was light (Book of Abraham 4:3) God, mother goddess There is a mother god, (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 443.) God is married to his goddess wife and has spirit children, (Mormon Doctrine p. 516.) God, Trinity The trinity is three separate Gods: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. "That these three are separate individuals, physically distinct from each other, is demonstrated by the accepted records of divine dealings with man." (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 35.) Gospel, the The true gospel was lost from the earth. Mormonism is its restoration, (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 182-185.) Consists of laws and ordinances: "As these sins are the result of individual acts it is just that forgiveness for them should be conditioned on individual compliance with prescribed requirements -- 'obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.'" (Articles of Faith p. 79) Heaven There are three levels of heaven: telestial, terrestrial, and celestial, Mormon Doctrine, p. 348. Holy Ghost, the The Holy Ghost is a male personage, A Marvelous Work and a Wonder, (Le Grand Richards, Salt Lake City, 1956, page 118; Journal of Discources, Vol. 5, page 179.) Jesus The first spirit to be born in heaven was Jesus, (Mormon Doctrine, page 129.) Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in heaven to them both, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163; Gospel Through the Ages, p. 15.) Jesus' sacrifice was not able to cleanse us from all our sins, (murder and repeated adultery are exceptions), (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, p. 247, 1856.) "Therefore we know that both the Father and the Son are in form and stature perfect men; each of them possesses a tangible body . . . of flesh and bones." (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 38). "The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood - was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 8: p. 115). "Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers" (Mormon Doctrine," by Bruce McConkie, p. 547). "Christ Not Begotten of Holy Ghost ...Christ was begotten of God. He was not born without the aid of Man, and that Man was God!" (Doctrines of Salvation, Joseph Fielding Smith, 1954, 1:18). "Elohim is literally the Father of the spirit of Jesus Christ and also of the body in which Jesus Christ performed His mission in the flesh ..." (First Presidency and Council of the Twelve, 1916, God the Father, compiled by Gordon Allred, pg. 150). Joseph Smith If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation. There is no salvation [the context is the full gospel including exaltation to Godhood] outside the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 670.) Pre-existence We were first begotten as spirit children in heaven and then born naturally on earth, (Journal of Discourse, Vol. 4, p. 218.) The first spirit to be born in heaven was Jesus, (Mormon Doctrine, page 129.) The Devil was born as a spirit after Jesus "in the morning of pre-existence," (Mormon Doctrine, page 192.) Prophets We need prophets today, the same as in the Old Testament, (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 444-445.) Salvation "One of the most fallacious doctrines originated by Satan and propounded by man is that man is saved alone by the grace of God; that belief in Jesus Christ alone is all that is needed for salvation." (Miracle of Forgiveness, Spencer W. Kimball, p. 206.) A plan of salvation was needed for the people of earth so Jesus offered a plan to the Father and Satan offered a plan to the father but Jesus' plan was accepted. In effect the Devil wanted to be the Savior of all Mankind and to "deny men their agency and to dethrone god." (Mormon Doctrine, page 193; Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, page 8.) Jesus' sacrifice was not able to cleanse us from all our sins, (murder and repeated adultery are exceptions), (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, p. 247, 1856.) Good works are necessary for salvation, Articles of Faith, p. 92.) There is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of God, (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 1, p. 188.) "The first effect [of the atonement] is to secure to all mankind alike, exemption from the penalty of the fall, thus providing a plan of General Salvation. The second effect is to open a way for Individual Salvation whereby mankind may secure remission of personal sins (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 78-79.) "As these sins are the result of individual acts it is just that forgiveness for them should be conditioned on individual compliance with prescribed requirements -- 'obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.'" (Articles of Faith p. 79). "This grace is an enabling power that allows men and women to lay hold on eternal life and exaltation after they have expended their own best efforts" (LDS Bible Dictionary, p. 697). "We know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do," (2 Nephi 25:23). Trinity, the The trinity is three separate Gods: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. "That these three are separate individuals, physically distinct from each other, is demonstrated by the accepted records of divine dealings with man." (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 35.) "Many men say there is one God; the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are only one God. I say that is a strange God [anyhow]--three in one and one in three. . .It is curious organization… All are crammed into one God according to sectarianism (Christian faith). It would make the biggest God in all the world. He would be a wonderfully big God--he would be a giant or a monster." (Joseph Smith, Teachings, 372).

Baptist trace there roots back to sixteenth century English Calvinists, but the first true baptist Church was formed in 1833. Baptists and Mormons share many beliefs. They can both trace there roots back to Calvinism. However Mormons believe in the word of wisdom. No Intoxicants.

I'm giving them a break because I have not delved too deeply. It's like Scientology. It sounds so ridiculous that I just have to think a lot as been made up by non-members. I'm trying to be nice here.

I have read much of what is here and there is so much truth to the exact notation of the mormom beliefs. I am sure that there have been nearly 150,000 changes to their own doctrines since Joseph Smith, which tells me that there is not eternal truth to it. The person, Joseph Smith, has been recorded in public records as a fraud, stone seer and working under demonic power (dark powers) so I do believe that he saw these things as a HUGE DECEPTION. The fact that he took many wives and encouraged this, shows his move from the bible for personal pleasures. Jesus taught only one man, one woman. THE BIBLE IS THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH- nothing can ever be added, taken away, or confused. The mormons have done all of that to establish a cult of human diefication (even so in the temples) that is a form of humanism, not relying on Jesus or God as the absolute authority- These are same pagan gods worshipped in old days. As Solomon said there is no new thing under the sun, just new vessels. Also, there is absolute scientific evidence of DNA studies that no such tribes in the Americas (of the Jewish decents they proclaim) existed. NO ONE HAS EVER PROVEN THE BASIS FOR THIS OR SEEN THE TABLETS and the church leadership knows it is disprovable. Amormom biologist who was a bishop proved this and left the church as the big guys could not support any evidence of such nonsense. PRAY THAT MEMBERS get a visitation of the true holy spirit to break the spirit of deception and lies that they are immersed in- they do believe in so many practices that are forbidden in the bible- and the very nature of who God and Jesus are and will be is broken down by their assumption that they can become gods themselves. Baptism of the dead (communication with) is an abomination to the Lord and they will be judged harshly for that. I believe this is why they work so hard to be perfect, so they can become gods and godesses. That is admirable but incorrect. THey cannot ever get through the gates of heaven unless they accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior, and only by His blood shed and by his grace are they possibly saved. Jesus asked "who do you say that I am?" is He the son of the living God, the same alpha and omega that we believe- NO!!!The total holiness is not accepted, as they think they were begun as humans or body forms. No such thing- that lessens the completeness and infinite power and authority of God. There is a sense of human destiny apart from the work of the cross and one's total acceptance of that in humility and service to the Lord, that I see in members. They have a false sense of security in who they are- I am only what Jesus is and has been in me and I will only observe what he commands me to. I am afraid to stray from His word. Also, they serve their own, not the whole body of Christ, which is another sign of cult and the purpose of missions is not to win others to Christ as Lord and Saviour but is to convert to their way alone. They are exclusive unless for the purpose of conversion and they excommunicate those who disbelieve or question the many inconsistencies of the confusing and everchanging beliefs of LDS. I have studied the book of mormon and they do esteem that as holy and even holier than the bible- they see it as flawed. To see God's Holy Word as flawed is to be an unbeliever. Where unbelief is possible, then is not anything possible??? It is a pagan form of worship. I pray that the walls of the temples will be broken down by the hand of God himself. The self actualization that is taught, not GRACE alone by Jesus Blood,is going to keep many from the gates of heaven. Jesus will say "who are you who did works in my name... but I will say I did not know you" these were hardworking spiritualists. They serve their own, not the body of Christ and teach that theirs is the only way- that is really blaspheming God's plan for the Church. I do not think they will be raptured due to total deception. They are led astray from the true flock of the Body of Christ.