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by Tom on April 15th, 2007

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When does life begin? At conception? At 24 weeks? At birth? At 40?

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  • by Stepper on January 31st, 2011

    Stepper

    Isn't "There is No Consensus" and "There Are Many Perspectives" identical for all relevant purposes?

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  • by Christine on January 31st, 2011

    Christine

    This is just a slimy attempt to realign the supposed "debate" about abortion and paint those who disagree with AB as extremists. The only reason people claim to have different perspectives at all is because many people find being moral to be too inconvenient. The arguments for abortion are easily dismissed, and if AB is not putting any effort into posting an honest debate, I'm not putting any more effort into dismissing it:

    (1) "Fetuses do not feel pain and have no concept of their future."

    If that justifies abortion, then painlessly killing people in their sleep is also justified. As long as society does not want a person, this argument would allow anyone to be killed in their sleep as long as it is done painlessly. People don't fear death only because it is painful. They fear it because it takes away their potential future life. Taking it away without their knowledge does not make it any less wrong.

    (2) "Abortions will keep happening anyway, and they will be more dangerous."

    The same is true of gang killings. If we gave gangs and crime syndicates the right to legally terminate their enemies using doctors, they'd be less likely to hurt themselves in the process. This argument says we should make more murder legal so that it is less dangerous.

    (3) "The birth control failed."

    Seventh grade health class! No birth control is 100%. If you enter a lottery where you know one of the possible outcomes is that you will be responsible for the life of a child, then you are responsible, even if the chances were only one in a million. (This applies to both parents, not just the mother.)

    (4) "Abortion reduces starvation, abuse, and neglect."

    So does genocide. People seem to forget that women cannot get pregnant without having sex, and that sex is a choice. It is not lack of murder that contributes to child abuse, child neglect, and starvation. It is sex without commitment.

    (5) "If a woman is raped, then she never chose the pregnancy."

    That's true, but that only highlights the seriousness of rape. The child is not the one at fault and should not have to die for what the father did. The answer to this problem is to stop letting rapists go free. In fact, any father who refuses to help support all the children he helped conceive should not go free either. They can't conceive anymore neglected children in prison, so that is where they belong.

    (6) "The mother's life is at stake."

    An operation that saves the life of the mother and as an unintended side effect causes the child to die should be legal. Patients and doctors have to make life and death decisions all the time, and should not be held liable for decisions made in good faith anymore than a homeowner should be held liable for killing an intruder in a true act of self-defense. This however only describes a small minority of cases.

    (7) "Abortion is all about women's rights."

    Actually, abortion allows neglectful fathers to go free. Almost every abortion is at least 50% the fault of the father, and unless he married her and contributed his share of time and resources, he's just as much a murderer as the woman getting the abortion and the doctor who helped her. If anything, he is the worst of all. At least the woman who killed her child feels what she did. Neglectful fathers don't feel anything. They are the darkest form of evil.

    Women have a moral right to choose whether or not to have sex, when, and with whom. They also have the moral right to the father's share of time and resources in raising their children. The idea that murder is a woman's right is pushed by men and women who want to have sex without accepting its responsibilities. The earth is too crowded to let that continue.

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  • by A on November 19th, 2010

    A

    I don't think this is a fair poll after reading both articles. Where can I simply vote that "Life begins at conception" without all that added stuff?

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  • by HasntBeen on April 28th, 2010

    HasntBeen

    It doesn't. Life does not begin, because it never ends.

    Presumably you're talking about the abortion debate, but what often gets missed in the struggle to define when life begins is that the question implies that something comes to life from nothing. But of course that's absurd: both the sperm and the egg are already alive, as is the embryo and the parents -- it's all "life", all the time, back to the very first life form on the planet.

    Life is a continuous and interconnected stream, it's not a bunch of individuals in their separate skin bags. So an accurate version of the question -- one which is actually connected with reality -- might be "at what point in the transformation from parents to sperm and egg to embryo to fetus to baby should this distinct branch of life be entitled to legal protection and moral status as a sentient being?".

    That is a bit long, I guess. But it's important to think clearly about the topic once in a while, especially in an argument where everybody seems confused about their terms.

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  • by Igor Kropf on September 2nd, 2008

    Igor Kropf

    Life begins at conception, but "independent" life begins at birth. From conception to birth a life is sustained through another life, and hence, it is part of that other life.
    The issue becomes complicated when we think about sustainability outside the mother. Medically, with our present knowledge and technological level, we cannot sustain a fetus with 5 months or less, but we generally can if older than six and a half months, with uncertainty in between.
    I'm referring to people's lives. But it is interesting to think about other creatures as well. Say, a chicken. Or a tree. I'm not trying to be funny, it's a fundamental thing to think about.

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  • by pgray1229 on July 3rd, 2008

    pgray1229

    The minute you are conceived there is life.

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  • by American Spirit on February 16th, 2009

    American Spirit

    Life is more than simply having a physical form. One look into any coffin will prove that. In the case of embryos, an acorn is not a tree.

    Life is consciousness, which doesn't come into play until a functioning brain is achieved.

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  • by Anonymous on September 2nd, 2008

    Anonymous

    At conception-- John McCain 2008

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  • by dr james on September 2nd, 2008

    dr james

    God says, i knew you before time began

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  • by Scrappy on September 2nd, 2008

    Scrappy

    it begins at conception.

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  • by Dmitri on September 2nd, 2008

    Dmitri

    Conception.

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  • by Nick91 on July 3rd, 2008

    Nick91

    for conventional purposes- when consciousness occurs. The beating of the heart. Around then. Potential life is not equal to conscious life. After conception many fertilised eggs fail to implant in the uterus, and die (the blastocyst stage)- you dont see Catholics mourning them.- they are not as valuable. And sorry for being vulgar, but i doubt guys feel bad for their futile sperm condemned to die after jacking off. We all make that assumption. 24 weeks is too late- abortions then are killing babies- because the foetus at that stage posseses all the traits of a baby. It can cry, scream, learn and live outside the womb (is viable). Why is it so damn hard for us to come up with a reasonable limit for abortions!?? Its illogical religious reasoning vs foaming mouthed liberals who fear any drop in the limit.

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  • by Yeux on April 15th, 2007

    Yeux

    I say life begins at ones first breath.

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  • by Miss. Tandra on April 15th, 2007

    Miss. Tandra

    i think it begins when you are an embryo. You have a soul. And i think that is when the journey of life begins. it's not what u look like or what youu can feel. It's what u are, and who you are.

    think about it;
    you ask the question; when do you consider life over?
    most peoples answer is- when the heart stops beating.

    so why dont we define life beginning when the heart starts beating?

    which happens before you even know your pregnant.

    ?

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  • by adamjohn on February 1st, 2011

    adamjohn

    I believe that life begins at conception.

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  • by Rehema_M on January 31st, 2011

    Rehema_M

    life begins as soon as the egg gets fertilised . I hate abortion and i think its wrong . My cousin died cos of having an abortion dats why i hate it.

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  • by Michiaki on April 3rd, 2010

    Michiaki

    When does life begin isn't easy. But if what you mean by "life" is when does a person become a person of conscious and rational thought? Uh... I'm confused by this question to be honest. If this is a question directly related to the abortion issue.. then.. it's up to the mother, not us. When does life begin is like asking, What came first the chicken or the egg? Or... What's a duck? heh. When does life begin? Biologically when sperm meet egg.. and or copulation, reproduction.. how far back should I go here.. uh.. when we crawled out of the sea, uh.. umm.. when the big rock smashed into earth and created the building blocks for life? Weird question. I agree with Leetmeat, and personally... it's such a worldly big philosophical question, with no specifics, it cannot be answered.

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  • by Midnighttoker on February 16th, 2009

    Midnighttoker

    Conception.

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  • by Yhtomitzlots on February 16th, 2009

    Yhtomitzlots

    When I was a young lad studying science in school, I wanted so much to have the answer to this question. As I studied I think that the answer got further and further away from me. So, later in life, I simply held my thoughts close to my heart and asked this question. My Native American grandmother taught me to rely on that process as I asked my ancestors for their help or answers. My feeling was that I was told that at the time the egg is fertilized, life begins. So, for better or worse, right or wrong, that is how I decided for myself. Best of luck in your quest for the answer.

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  • by Anonymous D on September 3rd, 2008

    Anonymous D

    I believe that as soon as the sperm combines with the egg it is a separate life. No it may not be complete or able to live on it's own, but it is no longer simply a part of the mother. Many animals give birth to tiny, helpless young that would not survive if not cared for and protected by the parents, so I don't think that being able to survive outside the womb is a valid reason to say a fetus is not a separate life. As I've commented in a few places already, technology is constantly advancing and doctors are becoming able to save preemies at earlier stages of development. There's no telling where the limits will be in the future.

    On a separate note, it's odd to me to think that abortion can be considered legal, yet I've heard of a criminal being charged with separate counts of murder for killing a pregnant woman and her fetus.

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  • by Father Further on September 2nd, 2008

    Father Further

    Life begins with your first breath. As a Christian, there are sincere reasons for believing this:

    1. In Genesis, God breathed into Adam, and he became a LIVING being.
    2. The soul leaves the body when one draws their last breath (Jesus, Mark 15:38 and then in Mark 15:39-Jesus is immediately spoken of as in the PAST tense; "Truly this man WAS the Son of God.") The soul leaves the body with the drawing of the last breath, it enters at the drawing of the first breath. This is also the traditional teaching of Judaism. Thus, Judaism and ancient Christianity portrayed life as beginning with the first breath.

    3. Jesus taught the new birth as the beginning of spiritual life in Christ.(John chapter 3). His example would be a false syllogism and incorrect if natural birth did not likewise signify the beginning of natural life. He used the natural situation as picture of the spiritual one. Life always begins at birth, both in the natural realm and the spiritual realm--Jesus Himself says so.

    4. Exodus 21:22: The punishment for someone causing a woman to suffer a miscarriage (or "loss of offspring" in the original Hebrew) was not death or a capital sentence, but rather a simple civil penalty or monetary compensation. There is NO WAY such a light sentence would have been commanded if the loss of the offspring or fetus (in this case, as a consequence of violence or assault) were considered a living human "person." No, the Bible is consistent: life begins at birth.

    5. Luke 1:31: The angel speaking to the virgin Mary: "You will conceive in your womb and BRING FORTH A SON, and WILL call His name Jesus." This is a sacred mystery, and we should not pry too much, but the order of instruction clearly indicates that it was AFTER the bringing forth (birth) of the child that He was to be called Jesus. Sacred mystery, but once more, human life begins at birth.

    6. Luke 1:44. The fetus leaps in the womb for joy. Another sacred mystery. Read carefully, it is actually
    evidence that the fetus in the womb is an inherent, intimate extension of the mother. For the verse says NOT that the fetus heard the sound and lept for joy, but that as soon as the sound of Mary's greeting reached the MOTHER's ears that the fetus within HER WOMB moved. Note also, once again Elizabeth does not refer to the fetus by name, though they had been told the name of the child directly months before.

    7. Psalm 139:13: "For you formed my inward parts..I will praise you for I am fearfully and wonderfully made." Clearly refers to the wonderous formation of biologically alive parts and anatomy but certainly no mention of the living soul being incarnate with independent will or functioning. No, this is a presentation of a POTENTIAL man ("my substance being yet unformed"--vs.16) still "within my mother's womb." (vs. 13). God is certainly with and presiding over all of his creation, whether formed or unformed, and that is the point of that entire Psalm. Nonetheless, Jesus went on to reveal more later on in John 3, namely, that life always begins with birth.

    8. There are any number of other verses that refer to miscarried fetus as never having lived or having experienced human existence. Too many to list, and a simple search with a good software Bible will reveal exactly where they are located. Some in Ecclesiastes, some in Job. The message is the same: no life before birth.

    In summary, some may attempt to bend the scriptures (and religious teachings) to their modern day preconceptions, but the Word of the Lord stands true and is consistent throughout. There is far more evidence for this viewpoint than any others simply because it is in fact, the Biblical view.

    The idea that life begins at conception has always been around but in its present form it is a thoroughly modern idea, and seen through very modern bias. The view that life begins at birth is every bit as historic, traditional, religious, and biblical as the opposing view. It is certainly in no way a less religious view and in my opinion is the superior of the two since in general it is espoused by those quietly wishing to spare tragically ill, malformed, and often mortally wounded fetuses a very sad and pitiful entrance into a world of mortal pain, suffering and prolonged death. No one should feel guilty for ending such fruitless suffering and moving on to eventually being fruitful and multiplying again.

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  • by WHITE BEAR on April 15th, 2007

    WHITE BEAR

    Life probably begins at the creation of that particular sperm. All sperm have some kind of life-energy and have the potential to create life. I would say at conception, the life-energy which is potential, becomes kinetic (takes a new form) and begins developing.
    In some spiritual traditions, it is said that the soul enters during lovemaking, after having chose its parents from several choices.
    The souls journey (in this life - be it the only one or not) probably begins as soon as the first pull toward birth / rebirth in the human realm occurs. Life (in reference to the question) depends on your definition of life, and so could be from any point between the creation of the particular sperm to birth itself.

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  • by Yeux on April 15th, 2007

    Yeux

    I say life begins at ones first breath.

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  • by Marky Mark on February 1st, 2011

    Marky Mark

    I think for the purposes of abortion, conception is good enough since that is when the deed is done and the process begins. I don't see any point in agonizing and splitting hairs over when the fetus actually becomes a human. That is not the question anyway. The question is about unwanted pregnancy/ birth control and the prevention of accidental pregnancy. Prevention is better than cure so I think if the focus was shifted to preventing conception (instead of preventing birth) that automatically eliminates all the other issues that usually arise afterward conception.

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  • by my2cents--Vote for Paul on January 31st, 2011

    my2cents--Vote for Paul

    Life begins as conception. That is scientific fact. When the sperm and the egg join, we have complete set of DNA of a human--it then grows, reproduces and feeds and responses to stimuli---Which is the definition of life.


    There is No Consensus .
    There Are Many Perspectives

    What the hell is the difference between these two choices.

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  • by Anonymous on January 31st, 2011

    Anonymous

    It begins at the moment of conception, as soon as sperm meets egg...

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  • by SalientAlien on January 31st, 2011

    SalientAlien

    What's the point of these debates if there's no appreciable difference between the two sides? "Is Print Dead" was the same way. Come on AB, there are so many subjects for debate and you only pick one every week or so. How hard can it be to find two differing opinions?

    Anyway, life begins during pregnancy. It takes about nine months.

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  • by Franklin on February 28th, 2009

    Franklin

    The question is, when does "human" life begin.

    To answer that, consider that the controversy over "human" embryonic stem cell research. It is controversial because the cells in question are unquestionably "human" cells, not something else. Therefore, it is clear that after conception, those living cells are "human."

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  • by AntigoneRising on February 16th, 2009

    AntigoneRising

    The building blocks of life are cells (roughly speaking, there is some debate about bacterium and viruses). So, strictly speaking, gametes (sex cells, egg and sperm) are alive. (Which, according to some arguments I've heard, would put anyone who has never made sure that every last one of their gametes was fertilized and born as a serial killer.) Life exists prior to conception.

    The much more difficult question is at what point personhood is achieved. This point has been pretty clear and unequivocated throughout history, but is a sticking point in modern debate. For instance, a census does not now (or has it ever) counted the unborn. We start counting our age at birth, not at calculated conception. Ask how many children people have and they may say, "Two and one on the way."

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  • by Blackberry. on February 16th, 2009

    Blackberry.

    Whenever the fetus starts turning into an actual baby I guess. I don't know the stages, but whenever it turns into an actual animate object.

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  • by El Soupy spanish for the soupy on September 2nd, 2008

    El Soupy spanish for the soupy

    WHen you are born.
    a "fetus" cannot survive on it own until it is born

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  • by American idle on April 15th, 2007

    American idle

    Every morning when you wake up. It's a brand new day, and opportunities are everywhere to be do or have what you want. Just believe it!

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  • by Curiously5860 on February 25th, 2011

    Curiously5860

    I believe that an individual's life begins at conception, but that it should be recognised as a human being when its heart begins to beat. I think after that point, although abortion may be legal, it is morally wrong. I believe this because the heart beating is almost symbolic of how from that point on, it is at least partially self reliant and is (albeit unwittingly) striving for the sustainment of that life. But that's just my opinion. :)

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  • by navyboy on February 22nd, 2011

    navyboy

    Life begins when the fetus is infused with it's own blood and it's heart starts to beat on it's own.

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  • by Catholic31 on February 1st, 2011

    Catholic31

    As an orthodox member of the Catholic Church, I find it offensive that Mr. O'Brien so publicly supports something that the Catholic Church adamantly opposes. Mr. O'Brien acts as though the Church's teaching on abortion is subject to change. He cites St. Augustine as an authority on the subject. This blatantly contradicts the way that the Catholic Church refers to Tradition's role in the development of Christian Doctrine. Augustine and Aquinas are aberrations in this regard. They are the exception to the rule, for reasons due to their Aristotelian philosophical leanings. The whole of Tradition is overwhelming forceful in its condemnation of abortion. The Jewish faith, the forefather of Christianity, stood alone as a religion condemning the practice. Early Christian literature, such as the Apocalypse of St. Peter, showed women who had procured abortions suffering in hellfire. Early teachers of the faith including but not limited to Tertullian, Athenagoras, Clement of Alexandria, John Chrysostom, Jerome, Ambrose, Minucius, and Basil, and documents including the Didache, and several synods condemn the practice of abortion at any stage. These men and councils gave voice against the practice of abortion before the year 400.

    St. Thomas Aquinas, the Angelic Doctor, did subscribe to the same Aristotelian philosophy of ensoulment as Augustine. However, Thomas still considered it a grave evil for anyone to kill a fetus, even before this stage.

    The misrepresentation of Catholic Church teaching by men and women such as Mr. O'Brien is appalling. If he would like to make his own doctrine, perhaps he should start his own Church.

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  • by purplecows on February 1st, 2011

    purplecows

    Life began about three billion years ago.

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  • by LukeVeeeee =) on January 31st, 2011

    LukeVeeeee =)

    Both options have the same general meaning, both are written by religious groups (who are obviously against abortion), and neither option actually answers the question. This is one of the worst debates/polls I have seen in a long time.

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  • by A on November 19th, 2010

    A

    40. Just kidding. I believe life begins at conception. I also believe this "life" is not a part of the mother's body, but is a separate "life" (a separate "person") growing inside of her.

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  • by leetmeat on December 12th, 2009

    leetmeat

    Anyone claiming to know when life begins, is an idiot.
    That's as plainly as I can put it.

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  • by LdyBg4N on September 2nd, 2008

    LdyBg4N

    I do believe that is of personal oppinion.. to each tehre own beliefs! :)

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  • by Neodarwinian49 on January 31st, 2011

    Neodarwinian49

    Ridiculous poll of no choice!

    I see many answered this without the slightest conception of the physio-chemical process that is truly life. To say life begins at conception is very misleading. To say human life begins at conception is just as misleading.

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  • by jettherandylittlestalliongod on January 31st, 2011

    jettherandylittlestalliongod

    Life begins ( for a human ) at 2 to 3 years of age when they 'achieve conciesness' and 'think' and 'exist'. Since you are not aware before this point in time you do not exist for you do not think of your own existance. The 'potential' is there for a living thinking being, but has yet to be reached. As such, I could go up to a 2 year old child that is impaired in some way, and kill it before it knows of its own existance and thus save it from a lifetime of suffering by taking its life before it knows it exists. There is a tribe in africa that has this sort understanding with their children.
    'If you reach 2 years old you are considered alive, if you piss us off before you reach 2, we get rid of you before you exist'. I find this quite civilized and acceptable.

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  • by Nemo_S on January 31st, 2011

    Nemo_S

    even a ROCK has LIFE on it or had in one form or another, and I wont even breach the subject of biological life forms that get dumped in the toilet everyday and killed by chlorine or some other chemicals, the fact is that it is another NON ISSUE that a bunch of hysterical BELIEVERS try and impose on others which is at the heart of the matter, the NON ISSUE has little to do with LIFE per se But with whether a PERSON has a right to control their own bodies or whether SOCIETY owns them and that is SLAVERY and you are dealing with those that are slavers in one form or another they want to control every one and every thing by any means possible as long as someone in this and other NON ISSUES is making money over it it will just add more eventually to the DEBT which they created ..

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  • by RC loves ice cream on January 31st, 2011

    RC loves ice cream

    When does life begin?

    One perspective is that it doesn't. Living sperm meets living egg, having both been produced from other living cells in the parents, and combine to form a still-living zygote. That lifeline has never stopped since the first forms of life appeared on earth - it is continuous and unbroken.

    On the other hand, when we think of a living being we don't look at whether it contains living cells. When a person dies, his or her cells and organs remain alive for a period of time (which is why organ transplants are possible). The generally accepted definition of when life ends is "brain death" - when the brain ceases to function, irrespective of whether the heart or other organs are being kept alive or not, or whether the body contains still-living cells. This is because it is our brain that makes us who we are. We can lose or replace just about any part of our body - we can transplant the heart, kidneys, liver, spleen, lungs, arms, even an entire face. But we can't transplant the brain, no matter what technology is invented, because we ARE our brain. It would make more sense to speak of transplanting the entire body than the brain because the person remains wherever the brain is.

    I think it's reasonable to adopt a similar measure for when life begins. Before there is a functioning brain, we are not alive. Certainly there may be living cells, even living organs, and the body may have a recognisably human shape, but there is nobody inside. Since the brain starts to function at around 5 months pregnancy, I personally take that as the point at which we're no longer dealing with simple developing cells but with an early person.

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  • by MrJosh on January 31st, 2011

    MrJosh

    When discussing abortion, when life beings is the wrong place to start. We kill plants and animals for food, protection, or sport all the time, and few seem to care.

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  • by anti-emo is ready for winter on January 31st, 2011

    anti-emo is ready for winter

    wow, just wow. -_- i bet this debate will get heated

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  • by Mystical Dim on February 1st, 2011

    Mystical Dim

    Every situation is different. I do not agree with killing what would be a child but this is a personal choice for those responsible. By responsible I mean two consenting adults with intentions of staying together whether or not there is a child involved. When I see people protesting things, wasting all that money on signs saying pro life or pro choice- I just want to get in their face and ask what the hell they are doing for all those children out there that do not have parents, a home, or even food. They are so worried about "future" children that they don't realize what the hell children now are going through.
    It isn't anyones business but the couples and their immediate family whether they choose to keep a pregnancy or terminate it.

    Everyone is a hypocrite. Walking around with an opinion of a situation that hasn't happened to you does not give you the right to judge others. If this were to happen to you and you couldn't afford anything, what would you do? Would you have a child and give him/her up for adoption? How many children find homes like that? How many children are walking around not knowing who their biological parents are? It is a personal, intimate, and very serious decision- that DOES NOT, in any case, pertain to anyone here.

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  • by BLUE LOTUS 935618 on February 14th, 2011

    BLUE LOTUS 935618

    funny story. i was a catholic christian.

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  • by pleasentanks on March 12th, 2011

    pleasentanks

    I think life begins when you are aware of what is going on. For the people around you, your life begins when you were born.

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  • by American Spirit on February 22nd, 2009

    American Spirit

    It's cellular memory reacting. The fetus cannot react to stimuli without a working brain. Try again.

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