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Does anyone ever think of death, if so, do they do anything about it?
by Elvin_Lee on July 20th, 2011
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What is the greatest sin.
by Ehud on September 11th, 2011
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Are Heaven and Hell "the good place" and "the bad place", or the "torture place" and the "hey, at least we're not on fire" place?
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If there are dogs and cats in heaven, are there also goats and velociraptors?
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How do we know for sure that Mark 9:44,46 was brought in from the Western and Syrian classes?
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Rev 5:9-10 is good. 1 million is far better than just the 144,000 touted by the Jehovah's Witnesses. Especially since those are Jews living during the Tribulation, not JW's living in the Time of Grace. But there is no number in 20:6 other than the number of years they will be there. What were you referring to?
by LarryH54 on September 23rd, 2011
“1 million is far better than just the 144,000 touted by the Jehovah's Witnesses.”
Not sure what your point is hear Larry, I never even mentioned any actual number, and it is scripture that says “144,000” not JW's, you are surely not suggesting this is what God has touted in his own word are you?, or that it is not in scripture?
(Revelation 7:4) “And I heard the number of those who were sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel”
(Revelation 14:1, 3) “And I saw, and, look! the Lamb standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.” “And they are singing as if a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders; and no one was able to master that song but the hundred and forty-four thousand, who have been bought from the earth.”
“Especially since those are Jews living during the Tribulation, not JW's living in the Time of Grace.”
This can not be a reference to literal, fleshly Israel, for Revelation 7:4-8 diverges from the usual tribal listing. (Numbers 1:17, 47) Obviously, the listing here is not for the purpose of identifying fleshly Jews by their tribes but to show a similar organizational structure for spiritual Israel. This is balanced, there are to be exactly 144,000 members of this new nation 12,000 from each of 12 tribes.
No tribe in this Israel of God is exclusively royal or priestly. The whole nation is to rule as kings, and the whole nation is to serve as priests. (Gal 6:16; Re 20:4,6.)
Although the natural Jews and Jewish proselytes were given the first opportunity to be chosen for spiritual Israel, only a minority of that nation responded. God therefore extended the invitation to the Gentiles. (Jo 1:10-13; Ac 2:4, 7-11; Ro 11:7)
As in the case of the Ephesians, who previously had been “alienated from the state of Israel,” now non-Jews could be sealed with God’s spirit and become part of the congregation of anointed Christians. (Ephesians 2:11-13; 3:5, 6; Acts 15:14)
It is appropriate, then, for the 24 elders to sing before the Lamb: “With your blood you bought persons for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.” (Re 5:9,10).
“there is no number in 20:6 other than the number of years they will be there. What were you referring to?”
Backing for the statement made "Those that go to heaven go to rule with Christ as kings and priests"
(Revelation 20:6) “Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years.”
by nightcrawler0_2 on September 23rd, 2011
Maybe I mixed up the religious views of another group. SOMEONE out there seems to think the 144000 are members of their denomination who have been chosen between 1914 and today. Apologies if I got the wrong group.
by LarryH54 on September 23rd, 2011
JW's do believe what is said in the above scriptures regarding that number and that it is a literal number as described above, but not as you indicate just applicable solely to current witnesses since 1914, as the members of this heavenly group described in Revelation who will go or have already gone to heaven started being collected in the first century with Jesus' hand picked apostles.
When I said above that “it is scripture that says “144,000” not JW's” it was with reference to where the number originates, it is not something JW's have made up but comes directly from scripture.
by nightcrawler0_2 on September 25th, 2011