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Wow, great research here Tex. Thanks.
by Perryman on September 24th, 2010
You're welcome and thank you.
by Texasescimo on September 24th, 2010
There are many cults whose members would choose to die rather than renouncing the beliefs. Bear in mind the Jim Jones Saga and the incident in Waco.
by Nabihigh on October 15th, 2010
I did not realize that those had to participate in the slaughter of innocent people to keep alive.
Are you saying that the Christian thing to do would have been to participate in that slaughter like your brothers in Germany did?
by Texasescimo on October 15th, 2010
"Are you saying that the Christian thing to do would have been to participate in that slaughter like your brothers in Germany did?" "MY BROTHERS" - I don't believe in religion. Don't believe that because some JWs did not renounce the faith they are YHVH's chosen. Satan has many ways of claiming souls.
by Nabihigh on October 26th, 2010
I guess that Satan really was posing as an angel of light there huh.
Refusing to kill innocent people, definately from Satan. Right?
by Texasescimo on October 26th, 2010
Nabihigh
Do you beleive in YHVH and if so do you believe that his word is the bible?
by no_one_special on October 26th, 2010
For You have magnified Your word above all Your name – Ps. 138:2.These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so – Acts 17:11 (King James Version) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me – John 5:39. On this standard I search for the truth. A group of people who stand up against tyranny is noble, but this does not mean that they are the chosen of YHVH. A group of people who bears one of the many names given to YHVH does not mean that they are YHVH’s chosen people. no_one_special, I do believe in YHVH and I believe his word is in the bible.
by Nabihigh on October 26th, 2010
Quote, "A group of people who stand up against tyranny is noble, but this does not mean that they are the chosen of YHVH"
Oh I agree with you on that.
Quote, "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me – John 5:39. On this standard I search for the truth"
I'm glad to see this is the standard you prefer. But have you really searched the scriptures?
Please answer this..... According to the scriptures, why was the Christian congregation established and was it to change in our times? Pleas give scriptural references for your conclusions.
Thank you.
by no_one_special on October 26th, 2010
Please keep in mind Peter's question and Jesus reply.
Luke 12:41-42 (New International Version)
41Peter asked, "Lord, are you telling this parable to us, or to everyone?"
42The Lord answered, "Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom the master puts in charge of his servants to give them their food allowance at the proper time?
Forget JW's for a moment.
by no_one_special on October 26th, 2010
Acts 4:32-35 (King James Version) And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. They gather to share spiritual wealth and physical wealth.
Hebrews 10:25 – Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as you see the day approaching. Gather to encourage each other.
Acts 20:7 –Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread...
They gather to eat
Ephesians 4:11–16 (NKJV) And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the ... they gather together to care for the church, spiritually.
Matthew 18:20 – For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. They gather to be with Jesus.
Mark 13:35 –Therefore keep watch because you do not know when the owner of the house will come back--whether in the evening, or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or at dawn. We are to continue the fight that Jesus fought. Let the day of the Lord catch us following in the foot step of Jesus.
1 Corinthians 11:1- Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ. We should never be complacent and lackadaisical.
by Nabihigh on October 26th, 2010
Excellent. Thank you...... And now please tell me what does Luke 12:41-42 indicate and how does it affects us, or maybe it doesn't in your opinion?
by no_one_special on October 26th, 2010
Matt 25:1-13 "Then the Kingdom of Heaven will be like ten virgins, who took their lamps, and went out to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. Those who were foolish, when they took their lamps, took no oil with them, but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. Now while the bridegroom delayed, they all slumbered and slept. But at midnight there was a cry, ‘Behold! The bridegroom is coming! Come out to meet him!’ Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. The foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ But the wise answered, saying, ‘What if there isn’t enough for us and you? You go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.’ While they went away to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was shut. Afterward the other virgins also came, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us.’ But he answered, ‘Most assuredly I tell you, I don’t know you.’ WATCH therefore, for you don’t know the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming." We must be spiritually ready for the second coming of christ. The wise virgins left for the wedding with conviction. They took the journey seriously, considering all the potential problems involved. They took a more permanent source of oil with them. In other parables they represent those who fell on good soil; those who showed up at the wedding dressed appropriately; those who built their house on the rock; those who applied their talents. These had the Holy Spirit dwelling in them, rather than simply beside them.
The foolish ones left carelessly, not counting the cost of their journey. They accepted a limited amount of guidance from the Holy Spirit, but ran out of spiritual insight, not having taken the journey seriously. Time ran out and they were lost.
These are those follow Christ only in a nominal sense. When trouble or persecution comes due to their allegiance, they quickly fall away. They have a non-application oriented faith, not born of conviction. They don't take the faith seriously. They must start all over from the beginning and receive the invitation appropriately. But their time may run out. They may die or Christ may return before they are prepared for the wedding.
by Nabihigh on October 26th, 2010
Thank you.
We all must be spiritually awake at all times,that is for a certainty.
However, did you notice Peters question and Jesus reply? In verse 42 of the 12th chapter of Luke, Jesus asks a question in order to answer Peter. But Jesus doesn't say this particular parable was to be understood for all Christians but rather for a group of individuals that represented a body or class. It was to represent ONE not many. How do we know this? Notice the word choice of verse 42 and how its defined in Greek and then what the duty of this steward is.
Luke 12:42 "And the Lord said, "Who then is the faithful and sensible steward, whom his master will put in charge of his [fn] servants, to give them their rations at the proper time?"
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Luk&c=12&v=42&t=NASB#conc/42
oikonomos (steward)
1) the manager of household or of household affairs
a) esp. a steward, manager, superintendent (whether free-born or as was usually the case, a freed-man or a slave) to whom the head of the house or proprietor has intrusted the management of his affairs, the care of receipts and expenditures, and the duty of dealing out the proper portion to every servant and even to the children not yet of age
b) the manager of a farm or landed estate, an overseer
c) the superintendent of the city's finances, the treasurer of a city (or of treasurers or quaestors of kings)
2) metaph. the apostles and other Christian teachers and bishops and overseers
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3623&t=NASB
Now this steward or slave is in charge of something. Did you notice what this steward is in charge of? Its a weighty duty for if this steward fails he will be severely beaten.
What is this job that is of utmost importance?
by no_one_special on October 26th, 2010
35 "Be dressed ready for service and keep your lamps burning, 36 like men waiting for their master to return from a wedding banquet, so that when he comes and knocks they can immediately open the door for him. 37 It will be good for those servants whose master finds them watching when he comes. I tell you the truth, he will dress himself to serve, will have them recline at the table and will come and wait on them. 38It will be good for those servants whose master finds them ready, even if he comes in the second or third watch of the night. 39 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what hour the thief was coming, he would not have let his house be broken into. 40 You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him."
This is an individual journey. Each man will be judged according to his deeds. The parable of the 10 virgins is not different from the one quoted here. we all must endeavor to be persistent in following the examples Jesus set. We cannot be idle for one second, because we know not the hour of his appearance.
by Nabihigh on October 26th, 2010
Quote, "This is an individual journey."
I understand you feel it is and like I also believe we all must keep on the watch. This is not in question.
Please address the verse in Luke.
by no_one_special on October 27th, 2010
The verses I quote above address the verse in question. No two persons think alike.
by Nabihigh on October 27th, 2010
Do you see what you are doing? You are quoting other parables and side stepping the question Peter asked and that Jesus answered. Was the parable for all? No. Jesus says its for the steward. Who is that steward and what is this food he distributes.
This isn't two people not thinking alike.....Its Peter asking if the parable applies to all and Jesus saying it applies to the steward. What part of that is not clear?
by no_one_special on October 27th, 2010
The steward is a person who is given the truth about salvation and the food is the word of YHVH and encouragements.
by Nabihigh on October 27th, 2010
Who are his servants that the steward is over?
by Texasescimo on October 27th, 2010
The world
by Nabihigh on October 27th, 2010
What are his possesions?
by Texasescimo on October 27th, 2010
are you trying to get somewhere? then proceed, we all can learn. the question is rhetorical.
by Nabihigh on October 27th, 2010
I am trying to see where you are coming from. If I am not mistaken, his possessions or belongings would include things such as preaching the good news of the kingdom throughout the earth. I think that takes organization as it would be hard for unorganized individuals that don't speak in agreement to do that.
by Texasescimo on October 27th, 2010
I totally agree with you
by Nabihigh on October 27th, 2010
Are you feeling okay? Lol
by Texasescimo on October 27th, 2010
Nabihigh
Quote, "The steward is a person who is given the truth about salvation and the food is the word of YHVH and encouragements."
Thank you. Did you notice this food (truth) is to be given by this steward and not by everyone? That is how we deduce that Jesus was not only answering with a question but he also furthers the understanding by saying it is the steward giving food at a certain time. So it does not apply to everyone. In addition, this food is to be given at the "proper time" by this steward.
by no_one_special on October 27th, 2010
If the Messiah said so, then it is so.
by Nabihigh on October 27th, 2010
OK so are you agreeing that this was only for this class or body of which Peter was part of and not all mankind or all Christians?
by no_one_special on October 27th, 2010
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16). Why do you think it was "only
for this class or body of which Peter was part of and not all mankind or all Christians"?
by Nabihigh on October 27th, 2010
Why do I think that? Because its not only the fact that Peter asked that very question but it is the fact that Jesus answered it. He gives another example and in this example the "steward" gives food (truth) to others and only at the proper time. Obviously, they didn't have this food before the proper time or else there wouldn't be a point to the wording and this food came from someone, "THE STEWARD" and not by individual Christians.
by no_one_special on October 27th, 2010
Please see my new answer to see how Jehovah's Witnesses are truly different:
http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/1926810
by Perryman on October 28th, 2010
http://www.ushmm.org/research/library/faq/details.php?lang=en&topic=03#03
SS authorities in the concentration camps did not generally record the religious affiliation of a prisoner, with the exception of the Jehovah's Witnesses.
http://www.ushmm.org/research/library/bibliography/en/jehovah/declaration.php
by Texasescimo on July 23rd, 2011
Interesting...
by no_one_special on July 23rd, 2011
I know that some of ya'll have seen these articles before:
http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/8683429/289031623/name/KING%20CHRISTINE%20IJLPS%202011%20Leadership%20lessons%20from%20history%20J
http://isurvived.org/Kempler-Survivor.html
Holocaust Survivor Joseph Kempler Speaks With Students
"Kempler, who was raised Jewish, remembers seeing Jehovah's Witnesses in the camps. Years after the war, he decided to become a Jehovah's Witness himself."
by Texasescimo on March 2nd, 2012