What would mexico been like with the land it had before the mexican-american war?

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• You may want to read up on Apache Indians and Geronimo.
  
  http://www.firstpeople.us/FP-Html-Legends/Geronimo_His_Own_Story_2g.html

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  by Moongrim on February 6th, 2010

• I said typically, didn't go out of their way. They wanted Geronimo BAD!
  
  I base my previous off the fact that most Mexicans are mestizos (of Spanish & Indian ancestry). Basically they were assimilated to some degree. About 16-30% of the overall Mexican population is Amerindian, while mestizos make up the vast majority of the population (60-80%). The Mexican Amerindian population is significantly higher than the US Amerindian population that makes up less than 1% of the total population. This is significant reflection of the attitudes towards Native people of US vs. Mexico. The US exterminated them.
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico#Ethnography

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  by Anonymous on February 6th, 2010

• You wanted to know what Mexico was like. Why are you bringing in the U.S. here?
  
  And if I may point out there are plenty of indian tribes running around now with representation, and building casinos.
  
  But Mexico's own track record isn't something to champion:
  
  Extreme poverty disproportionately affects indigenous segments of the population, particularly in the province of Chiapas, where conflict between a national liberation movement and authorities has raged since 1994. Despite significant social initiatives, the government of Mexico has not adequately addressed the root causes of the social inequalities that perpetuate widespread poverty.
  
  And that's just Chiapas.
  http://academic.udayton.edu/race/06hrights/georegions/northamerica/Mexico01.htm

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  by Moongrim on February 7th, 2010

• I certainly don't dispute the fact that Amerindians in Mexico are disproportionately effected by poverty. My main point was that were would be more Amerindians and even though Mexico's stance towards Amerindians was not a beacon of light it wasn't nearly as hostile as the American response in overall comparison.
  
  And Native Americans in the US still deal with poverty and before the casinos the American government broke a series of treaties with Native people.

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  by Anonymous on February 8th, 2010

• I'm not trying to minimise the U.S.'s depredations, but the U.S. is hardly alone in it's distreatment of same.

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  by Moongrim on February 9th, 2010

• This is very much true and is a repeating theme amongst the vast majority of colonized nations from the Americas, to Africa, to Australia, etc.

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  by Anonymous on February 9th, 2010

• Since when is a non-colony a pinnacle of wonder? Bosnia ring a bell?

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  by Moongrim on February 10th, 2010

• You could argue that the problems are partially the results of major outside influence when they wanted to redraw borderlines and make "new" countries. Yugoslavia was just one of the experimental nations that eventually destabilized. When you put two groups together that have been enemies and say they are one nation now then things tend to get ugly. Same mess happened Africa as a result of this. When outsiders think they know what's best for another group they know very little about they tend to make horrible mistakes. It's like building a car without consulting the potential drivers you intend to sell it to. Or buying a gift and you know nothing abut the recipient.

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  by Anonymous on February 10th, 2010

• So it's all right for the recipient to look a gift horse in the mouth?

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  by Moongrim on February 11th, 2010

• I'm referring to the gift giver's end.
  But from a common sense perspective yes you do have to assess who's giving you a gift. Ask the Trojans how the last gift they received worked out? Hell, that's how many scam artists, kidnappers, and serial killers gained the confidence of their victims. (People, the other other white meat.)
  
  Did the Palestinians like the gift of Israel? Or does that go without saying?

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  by Anonymous on February 11th, 2010

• And how about them blankets the Indians got from the colonists?

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  by Anonymous on February 11th, 2010

• There were Jews in Palestine before the state of Israel was formed.
  
  How about them Apaches under Geronimo?

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  by Moongrim on February 12th, 2010