by NiCkIzBacK on January 15th, 2010

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Does the U.S. Government do enough for the people? Open to your thoughts/opinions.

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by Hardcore Conservative on January 15th, 2010
The governement does too much for alot of people. Americans are becoming too dependent on their federal government to take care of them. Not only are they too dependent, but they also feel entitled.
"Ask not what your country can do for you..." I remember hearing that somewhere.
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- I completely agree. The entitlement issues drives me nuts.
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  by Open-minded on January 15th, 2010
- I find it ironic that so many Conservatives are the ones who demand the biggest piece of Government pork pie.
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  by Moongrim on January 16th, 2010
- Explain, Moon.
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  by Hardcore Conservative on January 17th, 2010
- No bid contracts
  
  http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=no+bid+contracts+for+republicans
  
  Corporate Welfare
  
  http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=8230
  
  Cronyism
  
  http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=6532
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  by Moongrim on January 18th, 2010
- None of that is exclusive to conservatives. You know that.
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  by Hardcore Conservative on January 18th, 2010
- Then list them.
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  by Moongrim on January 18th, 2010
- Quit trying to make it out as if the Democrats are innocent, Moongrim. You know darn well that they are not.
  
  The Big Dig
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Dig
  
  Robert Byrd: King of Pork
  http://councilfor.cagw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=news_byrddroppings
  
  Democratic districts get disproportionate amount of the "stimulus" funds
  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/18/democratic-districts-won-twice-stimulus-gop-districts-study-shows/
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  by Glenn Blaylock on January 21st, 2010
- Is that the BEST you could do?
  
  Give me a break.
  
  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/margaret-carlson/king-of-pork-craved-a-ric_b_58871.html
  
  At least the Big Dig went somewhere:
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravina_Island_Bridge
  
  And leave it to Fux News to carefully "fair and balanced" not notice the Red states obesity.
  
  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/02/red-states-gobble-up-omni_n_171186.html
  
  Nice try Blaylock, but ultimately F.A.I.L.
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  by Moongrim on January 21st, 2010
- From the AP..."President-elect Barack Obama vowed today to bar lawmakers’ pet projects from his massive economic stimulus plan and to bring unprecedented accountability to federal spending."
  
  • $2 billion earmark to re-start FutureGen, a near-zero emissions coal power plant in Illinois that the Department of Energy defunded last year because it said the project was inefficient.
  • A $246 million tax break for Hollywood movie producers to buy motion picture film.
  • $650 million for the digital television converter box coupon program.
  • $88 million for the Coast Guard to design a new polar icebreaker (arctic ship). [Isn't breaking polar ice some sort of Global Warming felony?]
  • $248 million for furniture at the new Homeland Security headquarters.
  • $600 million to buy hybrid vehicles for federal employees. [This is what is known as Hoax Pork]
  • $400 million for the Centers for Disease Control to screen and prevent STD's. [$400 billion to teach people to wear a condom?]
  • $75 million for "smoking cessation activities."
  
  $200 million for public computer centers at community colleges. [What ever happened to using tuition?]
  • $25 million for tribal alcohol and substance abuse reduction.
  • $6 billion to turn federal buildings into "green" buildings. [More Hoax Pork]
  • $500 million for state and local fire stations. [Didn't I already pay for these with my state and local taxes?]
  • $1.2 billion for "youth activities," including youth summer job programs. [Welfare]
  • $160 million for "paid volunteers" at the Corporation for National and Community Service. [What the hell is that?]
  • $5.5 million for "energy efficiency initiatives" at the Department of Veterans Affairs National Cemetery Administration. [And again, more Hoax Pork]
  • $850 million for Amtrak. [Amtrak runs a billion dollar per year deficit - good money after bad]
  • $100 million for reducing the hazard of lead-based paint. [which was outlawed and hasn't been used since the 1970's]
  • $110 million to the Farm Service Agency to upgrade computer systems.
  • $200 million in funding for the lease of alternative energy vehicles for use on military installations. [More Hoax Pork]
  
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  -$1.7million to study swine odor and manure management.
  -$40million for the Presidential libraries of JFK, FDR and LBJ
  -$5.97million to to Mark Penn, Billary's old campaign pollster, supposedly to save 3 jobs
  -$4million to build a bike trail in Northhampton, Mass, to a Taco Bell
  -$8Billion for Reid's high speed train project.
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  by Hardcore Conservative on January 22nd, 2010
- All of which pales in comparison to the "Castle in the Sky" Republican quest for the Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction:
  
  703 BILLION Dollars that we don't have and still climbing. As opposed to some rather subjective judgments concerning what constitutes "Pork".
  
  http://costofwar.com/
  
  Not ONE Weapon of Mass Destruction to show for all that. Not to mention the lives of True Patriots and all of the injuries suffered by those who didn't die.
  
  EPIC FAIL Hardcore.
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  by Moongrim on January 23rd, 2010
- Your "Fail" comments are a little juvenile, Moon. I'd expect more from you.
  
  Now the Iraq war is pork spending?
  
  Since I listed them, like you wanted, now you're using the "rather subjective judgements concerning what constitutes 'pork'" argument to try and deny the liberals suck up the pork just as much as the rest of them.
  
  You dissappoint me sometimes.
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  by Hardcore Conservative on January 23rd, 2010
- Considering what a disapoint most Conservatives were in 'reducing government waste, and reducing the national debt' your comments are laughable.
  
  All of the so-called democratic 'pork' doesn't even equate to a drop in the bucket of the Iraq War/WMD fiasco pork.
  
  Conservatism in America is nothing less than an Epic Failure.
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  by Moongrim on January 24th, 2010
- Give it up, HC. Moongrim is a way-out-there-leftist who can never admit that his people ever make mistakes. All of the liberal programs are good and all of the conservative ideas are evil. He is a complete ideologue. As such there is no point in arguing with him.
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  by Glenn Blaylock on January 24th, 2010
- So that's your answer Glen? You can't come up with a suitable rejoinder? Woossing out then.
  
  The fact of the matter- you Republicans are hypocrites. You folks had 8 years to do everything you claimed was necessary. And you folks totally dropped the ball.
  
  You folks could've accomplished so much, and instead all we heard was: "The Big Bad Democrats".
  
  Yeah Democrats screw up, but the difference between Democrats and Republicans? Criticising a Democrat doesn't end up with charges of Treason.
  
  Show me one of those dreadfully expensive (in terms of True Patriots Blood) one of those wonderful WMD that we just HAD to go after why don't ya?
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  by Moongrim on January 25th, 2010
- You're right, Glenn. Moon can't get past his hatred for Bush and his boner for Obama. It's the epitome of a small mind and narrow point of view.
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  by Hardcore Conservative on January 25th, 2010
- If you don't like my attitude Hardcore, stop talking to me. You must be a closet masochist to keep coming here and insisting on getting abused.
  
  Republicans and Humility go together like Muslims and Piety.
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  by Moongrim on January 25th, 2010
- Like you are one to talk about humility, Moongrim.
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  by Glenn Blaylock on January 25th, 2010
- I don't belong to a party that has the biggest rap sheet of crimes against humanity.
  
  That alone is enough to justify mine.
  
  Instead of whining about how you folks are perceived, you folks could always try cleaning up your act.
  
  But then that might take away from your martyr attitude wouldn't it?
  
  http://dkosopedia.com/wiki/Examples_of_Republican_hypocrisy_on_moral_values
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  by Moongrim on January 26th, 2010
- You're the one who complains about Republicans' perception. You're anti-Bush tirades are getting boring, to say the least. Why don't you blame some shit on Lincoln or Roosevelt? They were Republicans, too.
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  by Hardcore Conservative on January 26th, 2010
- Lincoln and Roosevelt aren't taking new "Contracts on America" in the here and now.
  
  Bu$h, Newtie, and the other ones, are still toxic.
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  by Moongrim on January 27th, 2010
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by Old School on February 5th, 2010
The U.S. Government does plenty for 'the people'....if by 'the people' you mean people who have enough money to buy their own politicians

Riggin the tax system for the super rich

The rich and corporations sucking at the government teat

So-called conservatives abandoning any real pretense of the so-called free market
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by RosieGHM Jetpacker on February 6th, 2010
It does a he** of a lot more for the fatcats than for we the people. So yes and no. The rich get richer and the rest of us get crumbs and lectures by the fatcats....and so it goes! :)
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by daveHogan on February 5th, 2010
I want my free money!!!!
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by jubilee on January 22nd, 2010
The problem is that todays "conservatives" aren't really conservatives at all. A true conservative would oppose corporate welfare. A true conservative would leave any business' fate in the hands of the free market. That's how it is supposed to work. It sickens me to see big business begging the federal government for our money. It shouldn't surprise me as the American people are the same way. Everyone believes they are entitled to a piece of someone else's earnings. What's wrong with us?
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by Moongrim on January 16th, 2010
Considering the sheer thousands of billions of dollars shuttled directly into the hands of big Business by executive fiat of Republicans- not enough.

It's time to wean Republicans and their cronies off of tax dollars.
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- What about ween YOUR cronies off of the government tax dollars? Do you need to be reminded of the Big Dig in Boston or the fact that Robert Byrd is the King of pork barrel spending?
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  by Glenn Blaylock on January 21st, 2010
- .... you're still not getting it....
  Moongrim, have you been paying attention AT ALL to what you're President has done or is doing???
  
  THERE IS NO CHANGE.
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  by prisoner on January 21st, 2010
- You're partially correct prisoner.
  
  The Republicans haven't changed one whit when it comes to bitching about Obama.
  
  At least the Big Dig went somewhere Glen:
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravina_Island_Bridge
  
  You seem to have forgotten about the Republican Emperor of Pork:
  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/margaret-carlson/king-of-pork-craved-a-ric_b_58871.html
  
  Leave it to a Republican like Glen to ignore reality.
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  by Moongrim on January 22nd, 2010
- Glenn B. is a MythBusters fan...;-D...
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  by Old School on February 5th, 2010
- Too bad glenn likes to parrot the same myths.
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  by Moongrim on February 6th, 2010
- You know, you can decry the spending under the Republicans all you want. However, that does not change the fact that the Democrats have been many times worse. If you want to talk about fiscal irresponsibility, then just look at the budget that Obama submitted last week.
  http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bush-deficit-vs-obama-deficit-in-pictures/
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  by Glenn Blaylock on February 6th, 2010
- The National Debt rose dramatically under both Bu$hes and Reagan, as you are all to well aware of.
  
  A pity your kind insists on throwing lead weights to those who need life preservers.
  
  http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
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  by Moongrim on February 6th, 2010
- Under Reagan, the total revenues to the government also doubled. The reason the debt increased was because Congress never approved ANY of the reductions in spending that Reagan proposed. It's a pitty that your kind never wants to loot at the reality of the way your representatives just keep spending money without worrying from where it is going to come. I am quite critical of the unnecessary spending under any administration. However, once again, YOU are only critical of excessive spending if you can blame Republicans. I have yet to see you criticize ANYTHING on which a Democrat waists money. All of the pork barrel projects by the likes of Byrd, Kennedy, Dodd, Reid, Pelosi, etc. is just fine with you. So, I don't find your selective outrage to be particularly authentic.
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  by Glenn Blaylock on February 6th, 2010
- @Glenn B.
  
  I think you badly misinterpret the position of people like Moongrim and I.
  
  We (OK, I don't know Moongrim's views but I think I'm making reasonable assumptions) don't necessarily have a problem with the idea that the US government is not (and has not been) fiscally responsible.
  
  What we strenuously object to (and I assert that you demonstrated in your last comment) is the HYPOCRISY of blaming it on the "Tax-and-spend liberal Democrats", when the GOP has clearly been as bad or worse.
  
  For example, you assert that Congress never approved any of Reagan's propose spending cuts.
  
  Well...Reagan SIGNED every one of the those budgets. He didn't take a stand and force Congress to override his veto.
  
  You can say that his acquiescence was a political calculation, but if so, you have to explain what political principle he thought was more important that fiscally-responsible budgets.
  
  I submit that the GOP has followed Jude Wanniski's "Two Santa Claus Theory" over the past several decades (i.e. cut taxes and spend like drunken sailors when they are in power, bitch to High Heaven about deficits and excessive spending when they are in the minority)
  
  http://www.opednews.com/articles/Two-Santa-Clauses-or-How-T-by-Thom-Hartmann-090129-720.html
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  by Old School on February 6th, 2010
- I will point out what happened the last time Republicans actually made a serious effort to curb spending. You may not remember this, but not long after the Republicans took over Congress in 1995, they got into a fight with President Clinton over spending. Because of their disagreements over the budget, one did not get passed before the previous one ran out and most nonessential government services were shutdown. The news media had a field day with this. They ran with story after story about the poor unfortunate people who were being inconvenienced by the shutdown and they pretty exclusively blamed the Republicans for not going along with Clinton. They did not blame Clinton for not being willing to work with the Republicans.
  
  Check it out. In the main stream press, how often are Democrats criticized for out of control spending as compared to Republicans. Then take a look at the numbers of how much they actually spend. The money from the "Stimulus" package the Congress passed last year went disproportionately to Democrat districts. Under Obama and a Democrat controlled Congress the federal deficit has exploded to several times that which they were under the Bush administration and Obama's latest budget really does nothing to reign in the spending. Democrats like to point out that the deficits came down under the Clinton administration. However, the thing they like to ignore is that Clinton did not start worrying about the deficits until after the Republicans took over Congress in 1995.
  
  Unfortunately, the Republicans in Congress lost their way after this. It must be something about the air there in D.C., but they forgot the reason for which we sent them there and started spending too much money themselves. As a result of this, they lost the support of their base and lost control of the Congress in 2007 and then the White House in 2009. However, the Democrats are, once again, showing themselves to be even worse about it.
  
  As for Moongrim, have you ever seen him criticize a liberal? I can't recall a single time that he has done so. I can't recall a single time when he has stated that they spend too much or criticized a single program that they have proposed. If you follow his posts, they you would think that Liberals are perfect and conservatives are the focus of evil. I, on the other hand am quite willing to criticize conservatives when they go astray and spend too much.
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  by Glenn Blaylock on February 6th, 2010
- I've criticised liberals Glenn, you're bent over too far to notice.
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  by Moongrim on February 7th, 2010
- Old School.
  
  Yes Democrats do Tax And Spend, often too much.
  
  But what has been the alternative? Credit Card Republicans?
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  by Moongrim on February 7th, 2010
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by Glenn Blaylock on January 21st, 2010
I think that the US government does too much for the people. The Constitution specifically spells out what the government may do for us. However, over the centuries, and especially since FDR's administration, we have been letting the Federal government get involved in more and more areas that it should not be in.

The tenth amendment to the Constitution states, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." No where in the Constitution does it state that the Federal government has the authority to get involved in education, but it does. No where does the constitution state that the federal government has the authority to tell banks that they must provide loans to this or that group of people, but it does. No where does the Constitution say that the government has the authority to mandate that we purchase any particular product, but they are sure trying to do so with the latest healthcare reform proposals. There is nothing to stop the individual states from doing all of these things if THEY should choose to do so, but it is NOT within the Constitutional authority of the federal government. Unfortunately, the government has so distorted the "Interstate Commerce" clause so as to allow it to do things that it is not supposed to be doing.
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- The Constitution is more of a suggestion than a framework for government to the feds these days. They have far exceeded the limited powers granted to them. They have become an enemy to liberty. It saddens me to say that, but it's true.
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