What can a modern person say about such teachings written in the 7th century ... I can't find the words!

The bible speaks of women keeping quiet in church. There are more and some sects really push them. I am not familiar with all the scriptures so I won't comment further, I am also not going on a scripture chase.

Nauseated. All three of the desert religions say the same thing. Judaism, islam, christianity. All three should be removed from society. God did not live in that stinking desert.

Either you are ignorant (you just blindly copied from an anti-Islam website) or you are a deceiver. Where does Allah in the Quran say that He made Men to be better than Women !!? ... NO WHERE. To expose your lie, Here is an authentic online Translations of the Quran http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/ And this is the verse in its translations: [004.034] YUSUFALI: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all). PICKTHAL: Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great. ----- This verse implies that it is a man's duty to support his wife, and not the reverse, but this, in no way, makes him superior to her. In fact, the rights and responsibilities of a woman are equal to those of a man but they are not necessarily identical. Since men and women are not created identical, they have different physical and emotional qualities, jobs and privileges. This does not mean that women are inferior. On the contrary, women are considered crucial members of society in Islam since they are assigned the job of bringing up future generations. Allah The Exalted, in His Wisdom, has assigned a role for each member of the family so that there would be no arguments concerning who should do what. ====================================== Women’s Human Rights in Islam http://www.islam-is-the-only-solution.com/women-human-rights.htm ===================================== Gender Equity in Islam By: Jamal A. Badawi, Ph.D. http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Articles/women/genderequityinislam.html ============================== THE STATUS OF WOMAN IN ISLAM By Dr. Jamal A. Badawi http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Articles/women/statusofwomen.html CONTENTS: -PREFACE -INTRODUCTION -HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVES -Women in Ancient Civilization -WOMEN IN ISLAM: 1-The Spiritual Aspect 2-The Social Aspect (a) As a Child and Adolescent (b) As a Wife (c) As a Mother 3-The Economic Aspect 4-The Political Aspect CONCLUSION BIBLIOGRAPHY ======================================== Women in Islam versus Judaeo-Christian Tradition The Myth & The Reality http://www.muslimconverts.com/women/judochristian.htm

Methinks Islam has much in the way of growing up to do concerning it's treatment of women. II/223: Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate). So go to your tilth as ye will... Oh, my women can be likened to being a farmer? http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/women.html

You know, if you're going to make a statement like this, at least get your quote correct: "Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)." This verse says men are "protectors and maintainers of women" because of the inherent biological difference (God given) due to strength AND because men provide women with support (means for a living: income). Devoutly obedient doesn't mean to blindly obey their husband, however. The husband has a duty and an obligation as the head of the family to be upright and to care for the family. Should he fail to do so, he is in violation of these obligations. And the woman is also the caretaker of ALL under the guidance of God (Allah) in the husband's absence. The family, the home, the property, the education...EVERYTHING. She is EMPOWERED by this. If you're going to slam a religion, at least take the trouble to get it right. <EDIT> A little side note here: A lot of people make the same kinds of statements about similar passages in the Christian Bible as well. What most people who have a hard spot about this seem to fail to do is look past their own selfish noses. These passages AREN'T about men dominating women. They're about FAMILY DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. People somehow think that marriage is some fairy tale institution where two people "live happily ever after" as soon as they say "I do". That's a load of organic fertilizer. Marriage is HARD WORK and takes COMMITMENT. This attitude that "if things don't go my way, I'm leaving" is selfish and, quite frankly, chickensh*t. And so is the "it's my way or else" philosophy as well. FAMILY is about two people who join to form ONE ENTITY. If they have children, then they are ALL part of ONE FAMILY, one blood. There used to be a saying: blood is thicker than water. It USED to mean that FAMILY was inseparable. That they stood together against all else. So many people LOVE to say that traditional family roles are "outdated" or "not with the times". Really? Like divorce rates really reflect that. So tell me: if a traditional family role such as one provider and a stay at home parent is so outdated, then just WHOSE family values are the kids being raised with? The parents? Nope. I'm not saying that the ONLY valid family model is that one. What I AM saying is that if FAMILY is what is important (and it is, by definition when you marry), then FAMILY is what it's all about. And THAT is what you have to look at these passages for. Men were the traditional workers/providers for the family because they are BUILT for the labor involved in that. Women were the caretakers of the house and property at home, as well as the children, because they are BUILT to be mothers better than they are built to be hard laborers. Now, I can just hear all the people out there whining about "equal rights" and "women can do anything a man can do". Put a sock in it. I'm not talking about working in a modern society and earning a living. I'm talking about FAMILY. TWO PEOPLE. They are a team, NOT INDIVIDUALS, when it comes to FAMILY. As soon as you break down and start thinking solely as individuals, then the family will suffer. Maybe both work because they have no children. Hunky-dory. Maybe they have children and husband works while wife stays at home. Maybe it's the other way around. Maybe both parents work while kids are in school. Maybe both work regardless because they have to in order to make ends meet. They are ALL choices couples have to make on their own. But when it comes to family, they had BETTER be on the same page. They are loyal to each other and to the team. And if one is the major provider for house, food, and whatever else, than the other has to take care of the other family business. And anybody out there who thinks that a stay at home Mommy has it easy, they can put a sock in it, too. Any man who has had to stay at home and take care of home and kids KNOWS it's HARD WORK. God bless all the parents out there who do this. You are all underappreciated.

These were words written by men for the benefit men for the purpose of excluding women, who form roughly one half of humanity, from public life. Those who think these are words directly passed down by God have self interest behind their belief. To put it simply - they are nuts.

surely, this comment must have been written by a six or seven year old boy, after his little sister beat him at some game or other, had she said "sorry" to him, history might have been written differently ???

Looks like the AB Communists are at work, once again... +5

Just a tiny bit outdated & a whole sh*tload absurd?! ;-)

Indefensible!

That would be a man's interpretation of God's will, based on the society he lived in when he wrote it. Understandable really, if you are the sort to assume that God only lets inequality happen because He wants it that way. Codswallop, of course, absolute trot, but an understandable mistake, for the times it was written in.

The question is not complete.Women must obey men?What kind of men?His husband?His father?His leader?Or any men?The enemy's men?In Islam women dont simply follow any men.Only specific men.Their husband,father and leader of nation is true.However,if the instruction given is against Islamic principle,they must not obey the men.Wearing hijab is an instruction of the religion,men in charge of them who says they shouldnt wear it cannot be followed.Theres no unquestioned obedience.The instruction must be right.There is no suppression of women's right to have voice,and to do what they like as long as its in line with the islamic teachings of what they shouldnt do.But what women usually do is breaking the rules.They are weaker emotionally and intellectually.Thats why men are in charge of them.Theres no question.Modern multicultural society doesnt change any fundamental principle of the higher good.Non-muslims should knuck it off their misunderstanding,and try to understand us.All we want is living our way of life without anyone threatening to kill us or insulting our names.Many non-muslims do that since the beginning of humanity.You can drink beer,eat pork and fornicate etc and we dont go to you and stop you from doing it!Some muslims that committed suicide bombers are not of our faith,because they commit suicide.I repeat,any suicide bombers are not muslims because they commit suicide.Committing suicide is eternal fire.

Hard to take that one out of context, lol. It's indefensible.

It puts about 500 years of painful, expensive, bloody Western enlightenment at risk for a new Dark Ages. No body should tolerate that in the 21st century. Multiculturalism is too often nothing more than being chicken shit about confronting lingering obsolete nonsense.

who writes that shit

This has been the rule in most religions for thousands of years -- because the rules were made by the men. I cannot agree with it in any way, shape or form. I have seen in the 61 years of my existence that men and women are equally superior.

Whoever wrote the Quran can kiss my a$$. :)

This kind of thinking has no place in modern society. Women are equal to men in every way and should be respected as fellow human beings, not treated as slaves. There is no wisdom in these teachings. This only reflects how archaic and inhumane Islam truly is. Both Christianity and Judaism teach that Eve was created by God as a companion for Adam. She had certain gifts that she brought to humanity while Adam had other gifts. Yet they were equal. To say otherwise while speaking in religious terms is contradictory to God's will for all of mankind.

I know the Christian bible says women shouldn't speak in church but i am not familiar with the Islamic bible.

sounds to me like some mistranslation, wether it happened. keep in mind, people mistranslate even within their own language when they may find the original wording difficult. one such mistranslation is "I can't believe it's not butter" being said to mean "I can believe it is butter"... those 2 statments have distinctly different meanings. when you run something through a couple itterations that flawed you can end up with someone completely dissimilar from the original. thousands of years ago they did not keep a master copy of scripts. things which were not passed on word of mouth were recorded by scribes, then rerecorded by another scribe as the last copy ages. not to mention the chance that they may change it to suit their personal agenda. I believe the original scripts of both muslim and judeo-christianity reverenced women. women belonged in the home raising the children because that was the more important role and they are better at it than men. men enabling women to focus on the more important things has evolved into being percieved at the more important thing. women were to submit because that was the only way a man had ANY influence in how children are raised.

There was no need for you to distort the verse. You could find enough points in the original quote to discuss.

Sure i do

Better?! Yeah, right