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by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on November 28th, 2009
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by edndori on November 28th, 2009
As an official doctrine we do not teach that.
Why would you accept such a statement from Latayne Scott if he provided no citations from official sources?
by Glenn Blaylock on November 28th, 2009
"Behold, this body, which ye now behold, is the body of my spirit; and man have I created after the body of my spirit; and even as I appear unto thee to be in the spirit will I appear unto my people in the flesh." Ether 3: 16
This is the first reference that comes to my mind concerning this. I can't actually cite sermons by Church leaders expanding on this right of the top of my head and I don't feel like looking them up right now. However, I think that laie_techie has a valid point. I think that it would be most accurate to say that our spirit bodies resemble our perfect physical forms. Now just what this means is more open to debate. Would this mean that dwarves will be resurrected with bodies that are more average in size? Will those with deformities be absent those? Will we really care about such things? Does my spirit resemble the obese state that I have been in for close to twenty years or the scrawny physique I had before that? I don't know that any of our leaders have really been that specific on this idea.
by laie_techie on November 28th, 2009
As a counter-example, we believe that those with deformities will have perfect bodies in the resurrection. In such cases, does the spirit resemble the mortal body or the resurrected body?
Much of our physical appearance (especially our size and shape) are determined by physical factors: how much we exercise, our nutritional intake (both malnourished and too high of a caloric intake), the climate of our homes, etc.
by Lonely - Rebel - AYPWIP on November 28th, 2009
Meet with an elder - if respectful, they will eagerly answer
by John Cox on July 20th, 2010
What we do know is that our spirits are made of "fine" or "pure" matter (D&C 131:7) and they are human in form (D&C 130:22), we also know that male spirits are male and female spirits are female (See "The Family: A Proclamation to the World") From all accounts of visitations by disembodied spirits, they are the same size as a normal humans, and look like the physical bodies they inhabited, with the exception of young children who all seem to be grown up regardless of when they died. This fits with the description of the pre-earth life and council as described in Abraham and Moses.
We do also know that spirits have the capability to disguise themselves. (D&C 128:20). All thou to what extent I'm not sure. The Bible teaches that the Holy Ghost appeared in the form of a dove (Matthew 3:16) but I remember hearing somewhere, though I can't find it now and this is one of the areas where I'm a little sketchy, that the Holy Ghost didn't come in the form of a dove, but rather with the sign of the dove in human form.
Beyond that I don't know much about the appearance of the spirit body in relation to the physical body.
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I didn't accept it Edndori. You are YET AGAIN being presumptive.
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That's why I asked - it sounded odd and I had never heard such a thing. However, since I don't know everything about Mormonism - and often it can be hard to find straight answers on www.lds.org I felt it best to ask.
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And the context and way that she made the reference didn't merit a citation so I'm not going to be too hard on her - she's human and I heard her say that there are many things that she could write if she only had the time.
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Which just means that she's honest and has writing in her blood. Anyone who has written and gotten published feels that way too - at least those I know who have do.
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And thank you for your answer. +6
by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on November 28th, 2009
She may be "honest". That I can accept.
Unfortunately she was also wrong.
Perhaps that is why she left the church, she misunderstood what she was taught, and was offended by what she THOUGHT she was hearing.
by edndori on November 28th, 2009
Please see my responses to Glenn and Laie. They have indicated that this is indeed Mormon Doctrine. Perhaps she got some particulars wrong but she was GENERALLY right.
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So now I'm confused and I need you guys to help me get this straightened out in my mind because I don't know WHO to believe at this point and I don't know what the OFFICIAL church teaching is on this point. And it does seem to be important from what I DO know regarding other official church teachings and emphasises.
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Thanks.
by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on November 28th, 2009
I have now read the answers given by Glen and Laie and your responses to them.
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And I see no conflict between what they said and what I said.
I DID notice, however, that you misrepresented them to me and me to them.
>>They have indicated that this is indeed Mormon Doctrine.<<
They said no such thing.
You represented me as being angry, which I am not, and claimed I was:
>>casting aspersions on Latayne Scott for even suggesting such an offensive thing<<,
which I did not. The idea is not offensive, but the idea that it is doctrine is wrong.
There is no shame in being wrong, but there is no great honor in it either.
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I'll admit that this thought came late to me, but it has come:
If you misrepresented the three of us so freely here where we can easily cross check our answers, why should I believe you have been any more accurate in your claims about what Latayne Scott said?
by edndori on November 28th, 2009
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Dude all I heard in your answer was anger and hostility.
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Anger at me for "accepting" what she said.
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Anger at her for saying what she said.
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And you started your BOTH your answers with this statement (or a variation on it): "we do not teach that"
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If this IS taught and she merely got a part of it wrong then you should have said that.
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So please stop 'cracking' on me and Latayne (who is blissfully ignorant of this whole exchange - thankfully) for being human.
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Thanks.
by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on November 29th, 2009
I'm willing to consider the possibility that you merely misunderstood me, Glen, Laie and possibly Latayne, and that such misunderstanding rather than dishonesty is why you misrepresent what we said.
by edndori on November 29th, 2009