by Daniel on November 17th, 2009

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Americans: why this fuss about state-sponsored health care? It works elsewhere. It's one of the reasons we HAVE states. I don't get it.

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by Brian I on November 17th, 2009
Those who are against it will tell you that it doesn't work elsewhere. They will tell you that the current US system is so good, and the Canadian system so bad, that Canadians flock over the border to get treatment in the US.

They will tell you that the "socialized" systems in European countries don't work and will quote waiting times for non-urgent treatment as though they were the waiting times for essential life saving treatment.

In short, they will tell any lie to support their rigid belief in a system whose only saving grace is that it is "capitalist", and as such cannot possibly be wrong or have any faults.
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- "They will tell you that ... the Canadian system so bad, that Canadians flock over the border to get treatment in the US."
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  I used to see some of those advertisement while watching American television. V. annoying.
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by Moongrim on November 17th, 2009
Because the insurance companies and HMO's stand to lose massive profit margins if we go state sponsored health care.
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- You give a shit about Insurance compainies?
  Do you have shares in there companies ??
  Are you that worried that a big million dollar insurance company stands to lose profit with the outcome of helping the little people???
  
  Thats insane how stupid you are!
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  by button on November 17th, 2009
- Not after paying in for years and being denied coverage- no.
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  No I'm not worried. In fact I'm rather happy about it.
  
  How Christian of you.
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by Temporary Name on November 17th, 2009
I´m Dutch and incapable of coming up with a good answer but I did want to say that this question lessens my prejudice against american´s.
Luckily you do not all scream before you think.
Thank you so much.
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- Alas, I am not American, I live in Africa!
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  by Daniel on November 18th, 2009
- Figures....
  
  (I´m going back to crying, screaming and being really scared of american terrorist..)
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  by Temporary Name on November 18th, 2009
- He he. Along with the rest of us ;-)
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by john pennington on November 17th, 2009
Its not state-sponsored, its National Healthcare.

The Feds are going into the doctor business.

If the people do not want this, then why are the Feds pushing it so hard to pass?
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- Its the commercial Big Capitalist Pig insurance people who are squealing so loud because they will be the losers.
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  by kakskee on November 17th, 2009
- John..you have serious trolls! +2
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  by Strawberries on November 17th, 2009
- This is actually hogwash.
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  Studies CONSISTENTLY show that the majority of Americans actuallly DO want public health care. When the right keeps saying "the people don't want this", they're really just talking about their own constitutents (who are in the minority).
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  http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091028/pl_nm/us_usa_healthcare_option
  http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=1534
  http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/health/policy/21poll.html?_r=2&ref=us
  http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112818960
  http://www.pnhp.org/news/2008/november/single_payer_ballot_.php
  http://ga3.org/dickdurbin/po_poll_results.html
  http://www.srbi.com/TimePoll4794_Final_%20Report.pdf
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  by ACCOUNT CLOSED on November 17th, 2009
- I am not American, but I cannot believe that the citizens of a state can honestly NOT want public health care. It is impossible. It would be unprecedented in world history. If you think the majority of Americans do not want this basic human right, you are being misled by your politicians and by your media.
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  by Daniel on November 18th, 2009
- Exactly - the politicians on the right will make up any nonsense to cloud the issue and block any progress that is against their interests.
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  "Death Panels", "pulling the plug on gramma", "telling parents how to raise their children"...this is the kind of garbage that they make up and tell to the media.
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by -O-uknow on March 24th, 2010
Its one of the reasons we HAVE states?
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by my2cents--Vote for Paul on November 17th, 2009
We have states so they can provide healthcare?
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- We have states to keep us safe. Many people interpret that as not being indifferent to the illness and suffering of its citizens, even if they are not wealthy. America certainly has the capacity.
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  by Daniel on November 18th, 2009
- So do you think healthcare is a state issue or a federal issue? Most states cannot afford it. Calf. is already bankrupt. And several others very close. You do realize that this healthcare bill they are going on about in the congress, will NOT give you healthcare? If will require you to buy healthcare that the gov. tells must meet certain requirements. OR you pay a fine, (tax) on your income tax. So if you cannot pay for ins or pay fine (tax) you go to jail for tax evasion.
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by frank32965 on March 24th, 2010
No, it's not! Our nation was started in 1789, by people seeking Freedom from the Tyrannical Control of Others.... Others who would dictate their Religion, their beliefs, their speech, their movement, their employment and their activities.... Many more of of them, fought and died to eliminate slavery, usery, extortion, and racketeering... Even more, have died to preserve those principles - on down through the ages ever since!

For Too Damn Long, many more of us have remained silent... while our supposed brothers have raped, robbed, and stolen from us over and over and over again... simultaneously bad mouthing us, calling us hateful, selfish, and mean! And yet, who are the truly selfish ones?

Are we asking for your wealth, property, and Individual Freedoms and Rights? What gives you, or anybody, the right to the property or freedoms of another? Who are you? Are you God? Should we bow down and worship you, Your Excellency? No, Of Course Not... If you were God, then you would be - dare I say it - Godly in your thoughts and actions!

Capitalism is Freedom being expressed through individual choices and actions! Social-Fascism is merely the collusion of the corporations and government to destroy the Societal Middle Class! How can it be otherwise? The rich don't pay taxes and never did... they pass it along to the consumer in the form of higher prices. While the societal destitute - whom you've effectively trained to be that way - relies on us to feed them, cloth them, shelter them, etc....

The reason that we are ticked off, is because there's nothing left to take... our backs are against the wall... and you SOB's even want our blood! Health care isn't really the issue. Remember that straw that broke a camel's back? Well, you're it!
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- Its a shame to see someone who can speak their mind intelligently be so blind to the simple fact that this is in no way social healthcare or social-facism, as you call it in a most paranoid fashion. It allows those who cannot get healthcare to do so, thats all. You are still free to choose who to pay for healthcare but those who would normally not afford it now can get treated. Basic human rights for your fellow americans, is that so hard?
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