Do the mormons really believe they are the Saints of the last days, as spoken of in Daniel? Is that why they have been called latter day saints? Anyone else been told this?

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• Firstly, what does the Mountain Meadows Massacre have to do with this question? Secondly, murder is not (nor ever has been) condoned by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints; it goes way beyond a "lawless deed" and into one of the two most serious sins in Mormonism. Thirdly, there is no concrete evidence that Brigham Young ordered the massacre, and at least strong circumstantial evidence that Haight (the stake president) was behind it.

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  by laie_techie on December 2nd, 2009

• +5 anon

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on December 2nd, 2009

• Maybe I should have given more negative points to counter Joe Fraud's insistence on giving positive points to anything which sheds a negative light on Mormonism...

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  by laie_techie on December 2nd, 2009

• Hi laie, is there something wrong with giving points on a subject that I agree with? PS there is no upside or positive light on Mormonism. Unless it is ex-Mormonism.

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on December 2nd, 2009

• Laie, as far as your last comment goes. I may not be 100 %correct in my beliefs on God. I am 100% correct though, on my interpretations and analysis of Mormonism. I am 100% correct in the fact that it is a complete fraud and deceptive organization. If you looked through none hazed glasses for a second, you would see what all these other people see. Joseph was a complete fraud.

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on December 2nd, 2009

• Just to let everyone who reads this, of course this is just my opinion. Just as you have your own. However, mine is based on a lot of testimony from mormons who were afraid when they were telling me things. I am as sure as I can be- they were telling me what they too, believed to be true. I've put this quote on here once but it bears repeating. I told a mormon once "I saw what is going on and I can hardly believe it." His reply was "What I can't believe is, you saw it up close and STILL don't believe it". Go figure...

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  by Anonymous on December 2nd, 2009

• Joe Fraud, I have called you on misrepresenting Mormonism on numerous occasions, so, no, your interpretations of Mormonism and Mormon doctrine are NOT 100% correct.

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  by laie_techie on December 2nd, 2009

• My comment was to wards the fact that
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  "I am 100% correct in my interpretation of Mormon doctrine, in that it is a total and complete fabrication and lie, perpetrated by a con man who desperately needed acceptance and popularity".

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on December 3rd, 2009

• I found this somewhere on the net. can not remember where...

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on December 3rd, 2009

• Men are sinners- born into it- and cannot make themselves perfect. The Bible teaches that men are accepted by Christ in their sins, that he loves them, and takes them how they are. It teaches that this is a result of faith in him. It says that though their nature still remains sinful, Christ changes them from the inside as a result of faith, but not as a result of their works.

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on December 3rd, 2009

• The Bible teaches that Christ's infinite atonement covers all sin of all men who believe in him. It teaches that the Old Testament order of having to have an intermediary between man and God is done away with, and that Christ is the only way to God.
  
  All through the New Testament the pattern of faith preceding an unwarranted action is set.

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on December 3rd, 2009

• Jesus never says anything like,
  
  "you've done very well in your keeping of the word of wisdom - therefore I'll heal you."
  
  But he frequently says things like,
  
  "Take heart, daughter...your faith has healed you." (Matthew 9:22)

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on December 3rd, 2009

• When a woman who "was a sinner" came to see Jesus, and washed his feet with her tears, he did not say,
  
  "That's a good start, now go and undo all the sins you've committed, clean up your life, clean up your thoughts, do some worthy work and when you are finished come back to me and I'll appoint some people to see about forgiving you."
  
  No, he very simply said,
  
  "Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace."

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on December 3rd, 2009

• You see, she was already forgiven. Nothing she could do could earn it, and she didn't have to; Jesus gave it to her freely because of her faith.
  
  Can't you see how simple and beautiful this is? Jesus has done this for me also and I weep when I think of it because I am so very grateful. I plead with you to let him take you just as you are too. Please see Matthew 8:10-13, 9:2, 9:29 and 15:28.

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on December 3rd, 2009

• I urge all Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses and anyone who thinks they might be in a cult... please read the above and really truly hear the Lord speak these words to you.

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on December 3rd, 2009

• Techie. I can't believe you asked me what the mountain meadows massacre has to do with it! My whole point is- if smith or bring'em young taught "the flock" that "all their lawless deeds will be forgiven", just as it says about the Saints of the last days in Daniel- then no wonder it wasn't that hard to get close to a hundred of them to go out and kill a whole wagon train of people and steal all their earthly goods.
  I would bet if you went out into the congregation of a bunch of Methodist's, or Baptist's, or any of the surrounding religions of the time, and said, "I need a show of hands on who wants to go out and kill some men, women, and kids for the Lord" ; You might have been locked up in an insane asylum, at the very least. Think about it.

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  by Anonymous on December 3rd, 2009

• Can not think about anything that is not sanctioned by the church. Stop Stop Stop

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on December 3rd, 2009

• LOL.

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  by Anonymous on December 4th, 2009

• (: I do what I can

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on December 4th, 2009

• Joe Fraud, Jesus told the woman to "go, and sin no more".

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  by laie_techie on December 4th, 2009

• and your point is???

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  by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on December 4th, 2009

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• If he missed that one- then it's entirely possible he missed the one about them being the "Saints of the Last Days" in Daniel. It does say "all their lawless deeds will be forgiven and they will rule the world forever" (Please correct me if I misquoted it.) This may be exactly why they said "If mormonism is wrong-there's no way they can be saved". I think it's because Christ will say something like "You mean you people really believed you were killing, and stealing, and doing all those political machinations for me? Amazing".

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  by Anonymous on November 16th, 2009

• Thank you for citing verses 16 and 17. If Joseph lived to 85 (which he didn't), then the rest would have been validated. As for the "I prophecy in the name if the Lord God", well, that came from a third party much after the alleged prophecy was made, making that statement hearsay.

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  by laie_techie on December 2nd, 2009

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• Don't you love all these negative points from anonymous people?

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  by laie_techie on December 2nd, 2009

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