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by Phillis - Zacks little sister on November 13th, 2009
My apologies in advance for my unusual mob mentality on this situation. This is out of character for me. It's coddling due only to the fact that none of the victims of 9-11 or their families had the chance to defend themselves. Why should he? He is costing us much more, now that we have to pay for his defense and protection, on top of his food, shelter and clothing, when a rope would be so much cheaper. Doesn't make much sense, does it?
We've paid plenty already, in the form of blood and sheer heartache. It's ironic that the overwhelming majority of Americans don't get help with with the most basic human needs, while he is treated like royalty, comparatively. We have to protect and defend the person who plotted to murder us, then followed through with it. Let him swing. +5
by XOXMSperfect on November 13th, 2009
lmao +5, i never thought of it that way but you're right, thats prob the worst place they could send him on his part.
by philosopher on November 13th, 2009
I am an Independent and I am angry about these barbarians being brought to NYC.
NYC has not forgotten 9/11 . We all know people who were their.
Whatever Obama's motivation this makes protecting NYC more difficult. They will attempt to escape if they can.
I think they deserve the death penalty. If you spoke to a few of the people who barely escaped with their life you would agree. I also know people who said goodbye to loved one's who could not escape on the telephone.
We are a big city but almost everyone knows a few people. The stories are still being told in NYC. Every year our property taxes go up. They say we are safe; but Homeland Security recently cut our funding.
NYC does not want these animals in our city.
by Jim in a Nautilus COAT on November 14th, 2009
I certainly don't see it as coddling a terrorist. I think it is a wise move. THe whole world will be watching. If we put him on trial in Guantanamo under a Military Tribunal we'd be handing Bin Laden a massive recruiting tool. We've had too much kangaroo court 'justice' already. It's time to get reassert the rule of law.
by Seeya says Dont Ever Give Up on November 13th, 2009
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he already admit his guilt! why a trial. Politics, It's Time we elect our Attorney General. and keep the Politics of the Executive office out of it.
by The Chief on November 13th, 2009
Huh.
Honestly, though...I can't think of too many places where he COULD go where he'd be coddled, much less New York.
There are a great many people out there who are angry for the fact of his trial in the first place. Phillis, God bless her, put a lot of this into words in her answer.
But the fact remains that he MUST go to trial. And it MUST be an honest trial, as well. It cannot be a sham.
If it is, then our system is indeed deeply flawed...and that would play right into the hands of the terrorists.
As Judge Young said to Reid:
"This is the sentence that is provided for by our statutes. It is a fair and a just sentence. It is a righteous sentence. Let me explain this to you.
We are not afraid of any of your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid. We are Americans. We have been through the fire before. There is all too much war talk here. And I say that to everyone with the utmost respect.
Here in this court where we deal with individuals as individuals, and care for individuals as individuals, as human beings we reach out for justice.
You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are not a soldier in any war. You are a terrorist. To give you that reference, to call you a soldier gives you far too much stature. Whether it is the officers of government who do it or your attorney who does it, or that happens to be your view, you are a terrorist.
And we do not negotiate with terrorists. We do not treat with terrorists. We do not sign documents with terrorists.
We hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice.
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Look around this courtroom. Mark it well. The world is not going to long remember what you or I say here. Day after tomorrow it will be forgotten. But this, however, will long endure. Here, in this courtroom, and courtrooms all across America, the American people will gather to see that justice, individual justice, justice, not war, individual justice is in fact being done.
The very President of the United States through his officers will have to come into courtrooms and lay out evidence on which specific matters can be judged, and juries of citizens will gather to sit and judge that evidence democratically, to mold and shape and refine our sense of justice.
See that flag, Mr. Reid? That's the flag of the United States of America. That flag will fly there long after this is all forgotten. That flag still stands for freedom. You know it always will. Custody, Mr. Officer. Stand him down."
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/01/31/reid.transcript/
If we do NOT give this man an honest trial, under the full authority of the laws of this country, then we render the concept of justice as a sham, hollow to the point of non-existance.
But I'm with you, Chris: I'm gonna go through a LOT of popcorn on this one!
Why would an English teacher stab another English teacher 16 times with a screwdriver?
by purplecows on December 24th, 2011
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Why did you tie me up?
by XT on December 21st, 2011
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Why does a Victim have less rights then the Perpetrator....??
by nice jugs on December 14th, 2011
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I was stopped for speeding. According to IL law an automatic appearance in court is required. How do I settle this w/? trips to IL from CT?
by MisterRight on November 28th, 2011
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Do you think Noriega will get the death penalty in Panama for his crimes?
Won't that make Frenchy hypocrites for extradicting him?
by Swami_Rick on December 12th, 2011
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You're reading The Obama Administration will transfer Khalid Sheik Mohammed to New York for trial. How does this qualify as coddling terrorists? Turning the 9-11 mastermind over to a jury of New Yorkers to decide his fate doesn't strike me as coddling.
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Phillis, my friend, I agree with everything you say.
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But I would point out that what we are defending is not him. We are defending his right to face the evidence against him and to be subjected to the judgement of a jury of his peers.
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That's our system and I believe in it. I simply find the idea of him having to attempt to make his case before a jury of New Yorkers to be so perfect that it's impossible to describe how just I feel that to be.
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I'd ask you to ask yourself how happy he is that his fate is to be determined by 12 New Yorkers?
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If we have to pay for his food and shelter while he's sweating that one out --- oh, baby, am I happy to pick up the tab for that.
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From my perspective, acknowledging his right to a fair trial while simultaneously maneuvering things so that he can't avoid justice is so sweet that it's like having your cake and eating it, too.
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How often do we get to do that with a clear conscience?
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+6
by ChrisDC on November 13th, 2009
You are such a sweetheart :)
I understand why a fair trial is the right thing to do. I am so emotional about this that I temporarily prefer to let those emotions dictate the answer rather than employing my usual pragmatic, fair-minded approach. It just plain felt good to say it.
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Let him swing.
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Damn! That felt good.
by Phillis - Zacks little sister on November 13th, 2009
Yep -- my point here is that, by the Administration taking the course that it's taken, your (and my) preferred result will be converted into a fully morally justified foregone conclusion.
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Sweet, ain't it?
by ChrisDC on November 13th, 2009
Can we hang him after the trial?
by Phillis - Zacks little sister on November 13th, 2009
No. 'Fraid not. New York uses lethal injection.
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FYI, I double-checked and the administration is seeking the death penalty.
by ChrisDC on November 13th, 2009
I know!! I just got the CNN thing in my email a bit ago. Could we get his body after he's dead and fly him like a flag in the middle east? Heheheh :)
by Phillis - Zacks little sister on November 13th, 2009
he already plead guilty, no need for a trial. this is political hogwash!
by Seeya says Dont Ever Give Up on November 13th, 2009
So...what now? He dies earlier than he would have, or what?
by Phillis - Zacks little sister on November 13th, 2009
Seeya, where did you see him pleading guilty? I know the information against him is pretty damned overwhelming. Bear in mind that a confession and a guilty plea are different things.
by ChrisDC on November 14th, 2009
I just heard that this morning. I stand corrected. Still no reason to give him a voice to encouage others of his ilk to do more harm.
by Seeya says Dont Ever Give Up on November 14th, 2009