If you're someone who believes pot should remain illegal, then why?

A popular argument for why it shouldn't be illegal is that it's a lot less harmful than things that ARE legal(alcohol, tobacco..).

I just can't understand the logic behind that.

If it's LESS harmful, that doesn't make it not harmful at all.

It should stay illegal.. and maybe tobacco and all the rest can join it.

That's logic.

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I understand your viewpoint. However, at what point is something considered "bad"? How harmful must it be? How many people must it kill? Heart disease, caused from various sources such as tobacco, but also things such as cholesterol, is the number 1 killer in the U.S. Should cholesterol be made illegal?
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FYI, 0 people die per year as a direct result of pot use. (Not being arrogant, just pointing to a fact.)
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by Stevie on November 9th, 2009
I'm sure if they could make cholesterol illegal they would.

And I like your wording... "as a direct result."

And something doesn't have to kill someone in order to harm them.
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by iKnow on November 9th, 2009
You guys misunderstand U.S. law. There is NOTHING in America that is illegal because the thing harms the individual user. The government ONLY restricts things that (1) harm SOCIETY (not the individual), and (2) that harms outweighs any benefits. Thus, if you want to make a logical argument that pot should be legal, you would have to demonstrate that: (1) pot does not harm society, or (2) pot does harm society, but that harm is outweighed by some benefits.
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by Anonymous on November 9th, 2009
Should cholesterol be made illegal? Today, NO. If we ever have socialized medicine, then possibly. Cholesterol harms the user, but society is not harmed if you harm yourself. However, if society has to start paying the bill for your cholesterol use, now society is being harmed.
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by Anonymous on November 9th, 2009
Hmm... You make interesting points Anon.
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First pot. Referring to the over 1 million nonviolent drug offenders is a start. That's 1 million less people who instead of costing tax payers money to house and feed them, could be out selling pot and paying taxes. Taking away criminal incentive takes away criminal activity as well, meaning if people can buy pot legally there will be less inclination to go through organized crime to obtain it. Also, it infringes on my right to do what I wish with my body. Why should anyone else get to choose whether or not I smoke?
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Who is it that really benefits from pot being illegal? Corporations. They can't stop people from growing it in their yard therefore they got their puppet politicians to do it for them. And how much money would Advil make if people went for free to their backyard to for pain relief?
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by Stevie on November 10th, 2009
Anything that has to do with money will always inevitable end up failed or at least failing. The school systems are a perfect example. Are we getting more educated or less educated as less money finds its way to schools? Using money to "improve" society always ends up worse than the original point because now that money doesn't seem so important as a war for example. Socialized medicine will inevitably make things worse for people by restricting more freedoms. We need to abandon this addiction to the monetary system.
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by Stevie on November 10th, 2009
The problem is that your right to do what you please with your body ends when what you are doing is becoming impaired and harming others.
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And corporations do not benefit from pot being illegal (well, other than the reduction of liability caused by stoned workers, but I suspect that is not what you are talking about).
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“We need to abandon this addiction to the monetary system.” Whether we have money or not, people are naturally capitalistic. But what does this have to do with the topic at hand?
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by Anonymous on November 10th, 2009
How is smoking pot harming or impairing others? If anything, those who were caught are harmed/impaired by being put in jail.
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Alcohol and drug companies do benefit from pot being illegal. Is it easier to grow pot in your backyard, requiring very little maintenance or preparation, or to produce beer or Advil or Xanax? Obviously, it's easier to grow pot. If people could grow pot instead of buying beer, then wouldn't they? (Assuming of course it's legal.) If you could cure a headache or nausea for free instead of paying for OTC drugs, then wouldn't you?
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Generally speaking, more people are harmed each year by prescription drugs or alcohol, than directly by pot. (I say directly because I've gotten into arguments where people blame pot for someone shooting somebody else, I blame the shooter not pot.)
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by Stevie on November 10th, 2009
I was referring to the socialized medicine part. You say that cholesterol should be made illegal if we're all paying for everyone else's health decisions. I agree that we shouldn't have to pay, but getting someone to act a certain way by making something illegal, doesn't work. What needs to be done is educating people. After that, anyone that wants to continue down the path of pot or cholesterol, shouldn't be stopped. It's their choice. The main thing that I was trying to mention about capitalism is that socialized medicine will also fail.
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by Stevie on November 10th, 2009
“How is smoking pot harming or impairing others?” It’s not impairing others. It harms society because impaired people cause “accidents” that could be avoided had the person not been impaired.
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“Alcohol and drug companies do benefit from pot being illegal.” Other than your agenda, what makes you think this is true? Tobacco can be grown just as easily as marijuana, yet most people do not grow tobacco in their backyard. If marijuana were legal, those same alcohol and drug companies would be selling it, thus benefiting from it.
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And you are erroneously concluding that pot would replace Advil or Xanax. Advil relieves pain an inflammation without impairing. Pot may mask pain but it impairs. There may be a few drugs that would be displaced by legalized marijuana, but this has nothing to do with why marijuana is illegal. Moreover, this argument, if true, would not justify legalizing marijuana. Rather, it would at most justify legalizing it as a prescription drug.
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by Anonymous on November 10th, 2009
“Generally speaking, more people are harmed each year by prescription drugs or alcohol, than directly by pot.” This is true, but irrelevant. Water kills more people each year than drugs and alcohol combined. Should we ban water? Of course not. Remember, in America everything is legal expect that which is specifically made illegal. The only things we make illegal are those that harm society, and there is no benefit that outweighs that harm. Prescription pill abuse does harm, but the benefits of prescription drugs far outweigh that harm. Moreover, the reason prescription drugs are only available by “prescription” is because the law recognizes the product is harmful if abused, and therefore should be legal but regulated.
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As for alcohol, it certainly is harmful to society, and you could make a very good argument that it should be banned as well. Of course, unlike marijuana, alcohol cannot be banned (practically) without a Constitution amendment. Of course, this is irrelevant to the question as whether marijuana should be legal.
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by Anonymous on November 10th, 2009
“You say that cholesterol should be made illegal if we're all paying for everyone else's health decisions.” Not exactly. All I am saying is that it would be fair game to regulate if we had socialized medicine, because only then would it harm society.
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“I agree that we shouldn't have to pay, but getting someone to act a certain way by making something illegal, doesn't work.” Sure it does. Marijuana is illegal and only 7% of people regularly use it. Alcohol is legal and over 70% of people use it. There will always be people who commit crimes and capitalize on prohibitions, but the vast majority of people follow the law.
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“What needs to be done is educating people. After that, anyone that wants to continue down the path of pot or cholesterol, shouldn't be stopped.” So as long as I am educated, it should be legal for me to get hammered, jump in my car, and kill your family? Remember, drugs harm society because they impair. Did you know that over 80% of drunk drivers actually believed they were fine to drive when they got behind the wheel? Even though most people know that alcohol impairs, only a very small percentage of people intentionally drive drunk. Hence, the problem is not education, but impairment.
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by Anonymous on November 10th, 2009
First comment. Impaired people may cause accidents only if they operate heavy machinery when impaired. Is it alcohol's fault in a drinking and driving accident or the person who decided to drive impaired?
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Pot has the potential, if decriminalized, to marginalize many drug companies. It has the stigma of being worse than it is. However, it's not just drug companies. When pot was criminalized, so did production of hemp paper, as an example. Even though a pot farm could produce more paper easier and be replenished more often than trees, it was still abandoned. I'm not saying pot would replace Xanax or Advil, but it will hurt their profits.
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I don't understand your reasoning as to why alcohol should be legal but not pot.
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Cholesterol is already harming society. Heart disease is the number 1 killer. 400,000 or so a year as opposed to 0 a year for pot.
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by Stevie on November 10th, 2009
If people are still using when the goal is to get no one to use, then it wasn't very effective was it? Also, please compare to prior prohibition numbers considering just about everyone today has already been trained to the idea that pot is bad but alcohol is ok.
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Ok, maybe I didn't make my argument as clear as I should have. Educating to the realization of all the effects of our decisions is key. Yet, that doesn't keep people from driving impaired, you're right. Just like keeping pot illegal doesn't stop people. Perhaps that's a solution for technology to figure out. For instance, one such solution I heard about has to do with a sensor that automatically pulls the car over if impairment is suspected/determined. Obviously that's not a fool proof solution, but a start.
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by Stevie on November 10th, 2009
From personal experience... people that are high cause VERY major accidents. Examples, being too stoned to care to watch your kids while they're getting molested in another room. Being too out of it while driving and running right into an oncoming semi truck.
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by iKnow on November 10th, 2009
I'm not denying the mind altering state. But guns kill people too, is that the fault of the gun or the person pulling the trigger? In fact, now that I'm thinking about it (and no this is NOT a lie) I had a woman that hit my car right outside of a police station. I was not in it at the time, as my friend's house was directly across the street and we were getting a bit drunk and maybe a little stoned. Anyway, the woman was on Ambien. A perfectly legal drug that didn't stop the accident from happening. Should Ambien be criminalized also?
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by Stevie on November 10th, 2009
“Is it alcohol's fault in a drinking and driving accident or the person who decided to drive impaired?” That is irrelevant. A DUI death is a DUI death regardless if you blame the person or the alcohol. All acts are caused by people, but the way to limit acts that cause harm to society is to restrict what people can do.
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“Pot has the potential, if decriminalized, to marginalize many drug companies.” No it doesn’t. A much as you want pot to be the panacea, it isn’t. It has some affects that would be beneficial to some patients, but its beneficial use as a drug is less expansive than aspirin.
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“When pot was criminalized, so did production of hemp paper, as an example.” No it did not. Industrial hemp is legal in America. You need a DEA permit to grow it, but it is legal.
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by Anonymous on November 10th, 2009
“ I'm not saying pot would replace Xanax or Advil, but it will hurt their profits.” Doubtful. First, most people like to reduce pain without impairment. Xanax and Advil will do this, pot wont. Second, If marijuana were legal, the drugs companies would sell it. In fact, they would probably sell some marijuana/Advil mixture that promises better results.
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“I don't understand your reasoning as to why alcohol should be legal but not pot.” You really need to actually pay attention instead of arguing your agenda. I never said alcohol should be legal. But either way this topic is irrelevant. Alcohol could be the most harmful substance on the planet, but that has no affect on the harmfulness of marijuana.
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“Cholesterol is already harming society. Heart disease is the number 1 killer. 400,000 or so a year as opposed to 0 a year for pot.“ How does that harm SOCIETY? You really need to stop arguing your agenda and stick with the facts presented. We do not make things illegal in America just because it harms the user. We only regulate things that harm society.
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by Anonymous on November 10th, 2009
“If people are still using when the goal is to get no one to use, then it wasn't very effective was it?“ That is a wholly illogical statement. Murder is illegal, yet people still murder, so we should legalize murder? Rape is illegal, yet people still rape, so we should legalize rape? Again, 7% of the population 16 and over smoke pot regularly. Over 70% of the population 16 and over drink alcohol. Assuming people would smoke in similar quantities as they drink should it be legalized (which is a reasonable assumption), the ban on pot has reduced pot use by 90%. That is pretty effective.
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“Also, please compare to prior prohibition numbers considering just about everyone today has already been trained to the idea that pot is bad but alcohol is ok.” I am not sure what you are saying. Please clarify.
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“Perhaps that's a solution for technology to figure out.” If we ever have such a technology, then perhaps we should reevaluate. But you have three problems: 1) we don’t have technology to do this, 2) we don’t even have technology to detect marijuana impairment at all, and 3) driving is only one example of impairment related accidents.
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But guns kill people too, is that the fault of the gun or the person pulling the trigger? Again, all actions are caused by people. But no amount of education is going to override an impaired person’s inability to make rationale decisions.
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by Anonymous on November 10th, 2009
“A perfectly legal drug that didn't stop the accident from happening. Should Ambien be criminalized also?” Again, you need to stop arguing your agenda and pay attention to the actual conversation. First, it is illegal to drive on Ambien. But should Ambien be banned? Well, you have to do the cost benefit analysis. AGAIN, in America, we ONLY ban things that harm society WHEN that harm is NOT outweighed by the benefits. People don’t take Ambien as a recreational drug. Rather, they take it to sleep. Thus, the likelihood that someone will be driving after taking Ambien is small.
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by Anonymous on November 10th, 2009
Ok, I'm going to stop debating now, so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. But I will check back one more time to see your response to this comment.
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You say we should limit access to harmful aspects of society, then does that mean we shouldn't pay taxes since they go towards killing people through war?
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You're right that asprin is more expansive, but pot, though a generic type drug, would be cheaper and closer to get if grown in yard.
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DEA permits are still restricting what could be positive aspects to society. There are also all kinds of rules/regulations that need to be followed, not just a permit.
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by Stevie on November 10th, 2009
Pot is not harming society to the extent cholesterol is, yet you keep saying I'm arguing an agenda. I'm looking at the causes of death and deciding that something that is legal is more harmful than one that isn't. 400,000 people a year is harmful to society. 0 people a year isn't to the same extent.
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Your numbers are illogical was my point about pot/alcohol. You're comparing something that's legal to something that's not. You would need to compare prior to prohibition usage to today's usage. 7% of the population that smokes pot is not a 90% reduction from those that drink alcohol because some of those also smoke pot and vice versa.
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by Stevie on November 10th, 2009
I've never done anything necessarily "wrong" while on pot, so to blame it for things people do while on it is wrong. The harm of pot on society is nowhere near the things we accept as ok. So to have pot criminalized then every other altering substance should be criminalized first such as caffeine. If we're going to start with harmful things to society, then we should start with the worst and not the least harmful. It's not about an agenda, but allowing people to make decisions for themselves as long as their choices/actions don't infringe on another person's right to choose for themself. Pot fits into that category therefore should be legal, war doesn't therefore should be illegal.
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by Stevie on November 10th, 2009
Although, if you consider fighting for my rights an agenda, then I guess I am arguing for an agenda. And if I am fully aware of my decisions, it should never be up to you or anyone else what I do with my life.
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by Stevie on November 10th, 2009
“You say we should limit access to harmful aspects of society….” I never said that. This is the problem with debating on AB. Almost everyone has an agenda, and they argue their agenda as opposed to engaging in the actual conversation taking place. What I said (numerous times) is that we ONLY prohibit things in America that harm society when that harm is not outweighed by the benefit of that thing.
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But to answer your question (even though it is off topic), is no, we should not stop paying taxes because it is used for war. Having a strong national defense helps society. Having a military that fights for Americas (i.e. our societies) interest is a benefit, not a harm. Moreover, this argument does not support your cause. There are many things that are legal which harm society and probably should be banned. But there is nothing banned that does not harm society. What makes America a free country is that we are free to do ANYTHING we please except some things that harm society. If you want to eat only unhealthy food and do daredevil stunts, that is your business. It only becomes socities business when you put society in harms way.
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by Anonymous on November 10th, 2009
Pot MIGHT be cheaper if grown in the yard, but that is irrelevant since: (1) it won’t replace most drugs, and (2) most people do not grow their own plants.
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“DEA permits are still restricting what could be positive aspects to society.” True, but that permitting is required to prevent an even greater harm. The same is true for prescription drugs. Prescription drugs have less users, which increases their cost, because you have to get a prescription. But that prescription is required to limit the harm that would result if unregulated.
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“Pot is not harming society to the extent cholesterol is, yet you keep saying I'm arguing an agenda.” Cholesterol does NOT harm society at all. Cholesterol harms an individual, but again, America is a free country. You have the right to harm yourself. What you do not have the right to do is harm society.
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And FYI: pot kills many people each year. But this is irrelevant because WE DO NOT BAN SOMETHING BECAUSE THAT THING HARMS THE USER. All the law cares about is does the act harm society.
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by Anonymous on November 10th, 2009
Your next few lines are full of logical fallacies:
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“You would need to compare prior to prohibition usage to today's usage.” What do you think this would show? Prior to prohibition alcohol consumption was legal. Today alcohol is legal. It would be logical to compare the average alcohol consumption before prohibition with consumption DURING prohibition (i.e. compare when it was legal to when it was not), but there are two problems with this: (1) we have no way of knowing the amount of consumption during prohibition, (2) prohibition started based on a widening belief that alcohol was morally wrong. Thus, many people stopped drinking long before the law mandated it. Probably the best comparison would be alcohol consumption during prohibition with alcohol consumption after, but again, we don’t have any statistics to make this comparison.
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“7% of the population that smokes pot is not a 90% reduction from those that drink alcohol because some of those also smoke pot and vice versa.” If you actually read my comment, you would have read my statement that the comparison assumes that the number of pot smokers would be similar to alcohol users should it be legalized. 7% of 70% is 10%, which means a 90% reduction. If you have some reason to believe that pot smoking would not be as widespread as alcohol, if legal, then please cite your basis for that viewpoint.
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by Anonymous on November 10th, 2009
“I've never done anything necessarily "wrong" while on pot, so to blame it for things people do while on it is wrong.” That is akin to me saying “I have never shot anyone with a gun, so therefore it is wrong to say people are killed by being shot with a gun.”
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“The harm of pot on society is nowhere near the things we accept as ok.” In some cases this is true, but that does not justify pot should legal. Rather, it only supports the argument that other things should be illegal. And again, you keep giving examples of things that DO NOT harm SOCIETY. Caffeine makes you more alert, which is the opposite of impairment. Can you name some thing that harms society MORE THAN POT but that is LEGAL and the harm is not outweighed by any benefit?
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“It's not about an agenda, but allowing people to make decisions for themselves as long as their choices/actions don't infringe on another person's right to choose for themself.” Do you stand by this proposition? For example, you must it should be legal for me to shoot my gun at the back fence, even if it goes through and kills you, so long as you have the choice to shoot your gun too.
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by Anonymous on November 10th, 2009
“Although, if you consider fighting for my rights an agenda, then I guess I am arguing for an agenda.” But you don’t have the right to smoke pot, so you are not fighting for your rights. And there is nothing wrong with having an agenda so long as you argue facts that support the agenda, as opposed to the agenda itself. You could make a logical argument that pot should be legal because even though it harms society, that harm is outweighed by its benefits. This would be an example of arguing facts to support your agenda. Arguing an agenda is when you ignore the relevant facts, policies, or laws, and instead argue anything (regardless of how irrelevant) that you think supports your cause.
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by Anonymous on November 10th, 2009
I'm sorry. I know you took the time to reply, but I'm done for now and we haven't agreed on much anyway. You seem to think that hurting someone else's interests but benefits us is ok. I don't. I believe we're all ignorant and should be open to new ideas, regardless of who they come from.
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As I wrote that, I read your gun through the fence analogy. If you kill me, then you have infringed on my right to choose. Keeping the belief that everyone should have a right to choose for themself, is essentially the same as the golden rule except that it still allows those who enjoy unusual behavior to do so and not have it contradict. If we kept that motto, and provided everyone with what is required to survive, I don't have a doubt in my mind that the number of people who's lives have been improved will far outweigh the benefits of today's society.
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by Stevie on November 10th, 2009
Good luck to you on your future endeavors. :)
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For good measure though, laws and rights aren't the same thing. So I consider my right to smoke as a right even if the law says the opposite. It is a right because it's my right to do as I wish with my body and it isn't affecting anyone else, assuming I'm growing it and smoking it in my own home.
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by Stevie on November 10th, 2009
“If you kill me, then you have infringed on my right to choose.” Okay, then we should ban pot because impaired people kill other people. You are trying to make a distinction without a difference.
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“laws and rights aren't the same thing.” Actually they are. A right is something that cannot be taken away from you. There are many people in jail who know first hand that
smoking pot is not a right.
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“It is a RIGHT because it's my RIGHT to do as I wish with my body and it isn't affecting anyone else, assuming I'm growing it and smoking it in my own home.” The first sign of an illogical argument is that you define your view with the view itself.
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by Anonymous on November 10th, 2009
I spend most of my time on AB pointing out logical fallacies because people on this site usually participate for the sole purpose of spreading their agenda, not actually discussing issues on the merits. So here is some free advice from a lawyer: if you really want to promote your viewpoint with relevant information, you have to focus on the purpose of the law you oppose. Spending time arguing an agenda makes the arguer look like a left-wing (or right-wing depending on the issue) radical nut. If you really want to support your agenda, then argue facts that support that marijuana is not that harmful to society, and that the harm it does cause is outweighed by its benefits. You will likely still get disagreements, but your argument would be logical and inline with the purpose of American criminal law.
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by Anonymous on November 10th, 2009
Perhaps I don't convey what I am trying to say all the time. I apologize for that.
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Your argument about outlawing pot since impaired people kill other people is illogical. That's like outlawing being black since black people kill people also. Just because someone is impaired doesn't mean they will kill someone else. Just as a black person won't kill someone else solely because they're black. It will hinder their decision making, I'm not arguing that. However, schooling also hinders the thought process. As an example from my personal life, at least for a little while I actually believed that Columbus discovered America. So to blame something that alters a persons thinking for a different crime is wrong.
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by Stevie on November 11th, 2009
I guess freedom isn't a right either? How long were slaves accepted as legal?
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I think I understand your analysis of what you describe as my illogical argument on that last part. However, it doesn't change that if I'm able to conduct myself in an acceptable manner (as in not affecting anyone else), regardless of what the law says, then I should be able to do as I wish without interference. You're right, it's against the law, but the law shouldn't infringe on my decisions. That's basically a form of oppression.
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by Stevie on November 11th, 2009
That's fine for you to point out where I'm wrong. I don't claim to be perfect. However, it is my goal to improve society, and I believe that comes from freeing them from oppression. Freedom to choose, so to speak, instead of having this guideline set out for us before we're even born. Not everyone will be able to get good paying jobs to get themselves out of poverty and it has to do with the flaws in society.
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I think it pertinent to focus on what the goals and where we can unite to combine thought processes to find better solutions. Unfortunately, this turned into me trying to propose better solutions and you just defending the system. I don't blame you for it because you obviously are someone who has benefitted off of the system. However, people like you are few and far between in the grand scheme. Hopefully people like yourself will realize that in order for the whole of society to improve, people that have benefitted off of the system will want to help those that by design are exploited...hopefully.
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by Stevie on November 11th, 2009
“That's like outlawing being black since black people kill people also.” No, it is nothing like that. Again, put your agenda aside for a moment and think objectively. Being black does not cause a person to kill. Black people (like people of all races) may choose to kill, but that is a choice. People who are impaired generally do not choose to kill.
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“Just because someone is impaired doesn't mean they will kill someone else.” Yes, and nobody claims otherwise. But an impaired person is far more likely to cause harm than a non-impaired person. Thus, the law is justified in banning the substance that impairs UNLESS the substance that impairs has benefits that outweigh the increased risk of causing harm.
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“However, schooling also hinders the thought process.” True, but irrelevant. Schooling does not impair.
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by Anonymous on November 11th, 2009
“How long were slaves accepted as legal?” How is this relevant? Yes, black people were not free in America early in our history. However, today they have the same rights as everyone else.
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“You're right, it's against the law, but the law shouldn't infringe on my decisions. That's basically a form of oppression.” All laws oppress, but that does not mean the law is not justified. This all comes down to the “social contract.” If we had no laws, you are free to do what you want, but I am free to do the same. Thus, you can choose to smoke and I can choose to kill you because I don’t like that you smoke. However, in a civilized society, we give up certain rights in exchange for certain protections. Hence, the government will protect people from me if I want to kill, just as the government will protect me from the increased danger you may cause by becoming impaired.
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“Freedom to choose, so to speak, instead of having this guideline set out for us before we're even born.” Are you sure you really want this? A society free from government oppression (i.e. laws) does not mean you will have a society free from oppression. Rather, such a society means that I am free to oppress you.
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by Anonymous on November 11th, 2009
“Unfortunately, this turned into me trying to propose better solutions and you just defending the system.” No, this turned into you proposing changes that support your agenda, and me pointing out the flaws in your proposal.
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“I don't blame you for it because you obviously are someone who has benefitted [sic] off of the system.” I have not benefited anymore than anyone else. The only benefit I receive is facing less risk of harm by impaired individuals. That is the same benefit you receive as well.
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“However, people like you are few and far between in the grand scheme.” How do you figure? I actually think 80% of federal laws should be repealed. However, most people support greater federal legislation.
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by Anonymous on November 11th, 2009
It'll legalize in Illinois in 2010. I'm gonna be out of a job, or go legit. Doesn't anyone care that if they legalize it, they will be putting thousands of people out of TAX-FREE work? lol!
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by cheerio on November 11th, 2009

Paranoia is something people are going to experience anyway. Is it so hard to imagine someone feeling insecure walking down a dark alley? What about paranoia of losing a job if you don't do exactly what your boss says?
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Problems are already there, it's a matter of correcting them. Making pot illegal doesn't stop people from smoking it, obviously, so why should we put those people in jail if their offense was a nonviolent drug offense? That's less tax dollars spent on housing and feeding that "criminal" as well as less tax dollars spent on trying to catch them.
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I do agree in restricting children using it. They need to understand the consequences before experiencing them. But I think keeping it illegal is causing more problems than solving them. Thanks for the answer Catherine! +4
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by Stevie on November 10th, 2009
Stevie, I love you get off the POT....LOLs...
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by Catherine on November 10th, 2009
I'll make an agreement with you. If I, or anyone else, can abolish the monetary system, then I will quit pot for life. It's a sacrifice I'm willing to make to benefit the rest of the world. :)
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by Stevie on November 10th, 2009
Darling get off it...woman don't want men who do that shit...I would be so turned off...come on..Get off it, your bright, got a wonderful job, you have so much to offer a lady....Pot is for 18 year olds...Your an established man.....
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by Catherine on November 10th, 2009
Do this make a movie of yourself smoking that shit...look at yourself if you see yourself and not liking what you see...Then quit...I see a man doing that I am so turned off...really...I know a woman who smokes that all the time, husband divorced her, her own daughter wont look at her, she got arrested and is in rehab...no job...nothing she is 47years old and lost everything..Her own daughter doesn't want her around.....its not worth it.
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by Catherine on November 10th, 2009
I have a feeling that society helped shape her daughter's mind. We're trained to look at it as "evil." It's actually quite a bit less harmful than prescription drugs. So if the goal is to decrease dependence or risk of loss of life, then perhaps prescription drugs should be made illegal before pot.
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My goal in life is to live as happily as I can, and it shouldn't matter what gov't thinks, as long as I'm not hurting or negatively affecting someone else. Right now, I don't believe I'm doing that, so why should I be discouraged from being happy?
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My job is not fulfilling. Choosing accounting as a major, as still a child, was one of the most expensive and time consuming mistakes I've ever made. It doesn't help improve society which is why I'm considering taking a pay cut to help other people in a different profession.
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by Stevie on November 10th, 2009
No, she smoked pot all the time, didn't do anything for the daughter not go to school functions etc....She got hooked on it and thats it...
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by Catherine on November 10th, 2009
What kind of job do you want? Go for it your young do what you want in life...Cut the pot and move on...make yourself happy....your worth it.
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by Catherine on November 10th, 2009
I'm going to join the AmeriCorps. Depending on how much I like that, I'll join the Peace Corps afterwards.
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Thanks for the advice Catherine. And don't take this personally because I welcome advice, but I think I will continue to smoke pot. I think it helped make me the person I am today, and I like who I am. So if I can be happy and help others, but still smoke, then what's the problem?
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by Stevie on November 10th, 2009
Darling its just no cool...Americorps good join...your going to help so many people...
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by Catherine on November 10th, 2009
That's the object. If I can't help society as a whole, then I have to on a one person at a time basis.
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For pot, agree to disagree?
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by Stevie on November 10th, 2009
Get rid of POT...join the Americorp your wife is there waiting for you..Your going to meet a woman with humantarian heart...YOur going to fall inlove Stevie and make babies...NO POT Smoking anymore.....
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by Catherine on November 10th, 2009
I hope you're right about my future love life. But she better not care if I smoke, otherwise she may not be my future wife.
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by Stevie on November 10th, 2009
Come on honey, get real...you will be having kids....
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by Catherine on November 10th, 2009
Some day. But that doesn't mean I would stop drinking alcohol which is also bad, in fact worse than pot. I refuse to tell my kids how to act, but will tell them why they should act a certain way. If I can't come up with a good enough reason to quit smoking, then I don't see me having a problem with my kids smoking, once they reach an age of consent of course. Just to clarify, I'm not going to get my kids to start smoking at the age of 8 or anything like that.
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On a personal level, am I that bad of a person for smoking pot?
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by Stevie on November 10th, 2009
Its a turn off for me....I cant deal with it..I rather you have drinks than smoking pot...It turns me off and alot of other woman to.....Re-think it..
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by Catherine on November 10th, 2009
Well that's fine. I understand the turn off thing, it's like me not being too attracted to red heads for some reason. I'm more asking in terms of morality. Am I an immoral person for smoking pot? Or am I just a "criminal" in the eyes of the law and not necessarily immoral?
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by Stevie on November 10th, 2009
No your not immoral, your addicted to shit...PS I love red headed men...they turn me on....stop smoking shit...get a girlfriend, what do you look like and what is your sign?
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by Catherine on November 10th, 2009
Well my last gf said I look kind of like Freddy Prinze Jr. as in about average height 5'11 or so, dark hair, thin, and a virgo.
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How about you Catherine? What do you look like?
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Also, that was a general statement about red heads, not the rule. I have met hot red headed chicks. Never actually dated one though.
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by Stevie on November 10th, 2009
Freddy I look like a soft marie osmond, emma samms, victoria principal kind of look...Aquarius
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by Catherine on November 10th, 2009
YOur cute, stop you shit and get laid with a girl....stop smoking..it clouds your judgement..
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by Catherine on November 10th, 2009
virgo, capricorn woman is just what you need, she will straigten your ass out...
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by Catherine on November 10th, 2009
Maybe you're right. Maybe I do just need to be straightened out...
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by Stevie on November 10th, 2009
Yes you do..
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by Catherine on November 10th, 2009
You need a home, wife kids, that will do the trick, you got too much time on your hands for smoking pot...YOu have all those responsibilities you wont be able to wipe your ass properly...
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by Catherine on November 10th, 2009
Lol.
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by Stevie on November 11th, 2009
I knew I could put a smile on that face of yours..
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by Catherine on November 11th, 2009
You do more often than I think you realize.
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by Stevie on November 11th, 2009
Good smiling and feeling good is wonderful....answer some questions I have been very naughty today...
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by Catherine on November 11th, 2009
I got asshole trolls following me...they are truly mental
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by Catherine on November 11th, 2009
Ok, no problem.
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by Stevie on November 11th, 2009
PLease feel free to give answers....have a laugh
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by Catherine on November 11th, 2009
Pot is ok, but quualudes and tequila make backing out of the driveway a 3-day long interesting ride.

P.S. Women who own bongs, kids, and good jobs are hot...in other words, responsible adults...
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by cheerio on November 11th, 2009
This made me laugh. Catherine is against pot, but she's a nymphomanic who's addicted to another drug called sex. Horny women are a huge turn off. I say make pot legal and regulate it like alchol and tobacco. Give adults 18+ the choice to smoke and drink.
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by Robogirl_roboguy_robodog_robocat_in_2030 on May 23rd, 2010

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