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Please post an article or details re their crimes and incarceration. Keep them in jail. It serves to remind folks that actions do have consequences, and that murder has some very long lasting consequences.
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I strongly disagree. Please feel free to pass this on to their parole boards.
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I not only disagree, but I think that they should be tortured, raped by gorillas, set on fire, hanged, revived and then the process should begin again. Hell isn't a bad enough place for these filthy, souless, ugly, nasty bitches. I hate them so much that if I could stab each one 20 times for each time my beloved Sharon, Jay, Rosemary and Leno were stabbed, my hatred would not be quelled. Damn them all!
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no. they need to be cut up. charlie too.
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I do not want them to be paroled. If a life sentence in so horrible a case is not really a life sentence, then the justice system pretty much loses its meaning. You might be thinking, well, they have only one life. But they TOOK lives, in horrifying ways. At least they get to live.
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I disagree, please pass that on to the parole board
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Yes, they should be paroled. Their crimes were horrible, but committed while under the influence of drugs and while completely brainwashed by that crazy Charles Manson. As such, 30 plus years is a long time to serve in prison and a sufficient punishment. Given the cost to keep these women incarcerated and the zero chance of their re-offending, I think they should be released with strict parole requirements. Unfortunately, the notoriety of their offenses will prevent this from ever happening. Their "fame" will keep them in prison for the rest of their lives whereas much more frightening and dangerous peope that we never heard of will be sent back out among us.
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I Agree Cause I Believe They Have Learned There Lesson And I Know For A Fact That If They Get Out Of Prison They'll Live There Lives Normal Like You And Me.
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Patricia Krenwinkel is coming up for another parole hearing this month. I believe that she is a suitable candidate for parole. The nature of her crimes were heinous, which has been well documented. Her crimes have also become a sort of modern folklore. She was sentenced to death, her sentence was commuted, and she has been given the right to parole hearings just like any other California prisoner. I have read that the average murderer in Ca. does seven years in prison. She is coming up on fourty years. I have seen her previous parole hearings. She seems not only completely remorseful, but racked with guilt. She can't change what happened in 1969, but what has she done since then? The state's job is to rehabilitate After she has completed nearly fourty years of therapy, counseling, 12-step groups, education, and participation in everything asked of her - it leaves me asking what is considered rehabilited? Another point that I wanted to bring into consideration was actually brought up by Leslie Van Houten at one of her parole hearings. Prison is a perfect place to fall into the same behavior that got them there. If she were still vulnerable to being easily led, it would have happened long ago. And a final word to all of the people that are irate at the mere idea of her being free. She is now elderly. The cost to the state of Ca. for her medical care will add up soon. Most older folks take meds. Free up the space for a real threat. Happy New Year
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Disagree!! They belong right where they are!!
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If they are ever paroled, I hope a deranged lunatic kidnaps them the second they step outside into the free world and tortures them to death over a period of time.
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Strongly disagree. If their death sentences were not commuted retroactively when California temporarily abolished capital punishment, they'd have been dead and forgotten all these years, and the families of the victims would've had release. Yes, they can't undo what they've done. Is any one really sure - based, say, on their behavior during the trial, and on what their support group have been doing that they really wanted to undo anything? All their mouthings about remorse, about heir religious revivals, of how they would make a contribution to the society - leave me cold. They've already contributed - 7 dead bodies. AND Sharon Tate's unborn child. I bet the baby wanted to live and would've contributed to the society. Also, see how many crackpot sites and publications there are about this trash? Does one want to bet they won't become head of new awful cults if free?
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I strongly disagree on both women. I strongly disagree on anyone who was asocciated with these murders and Charles Manson. What good would any of these people do, returning into our society. Clearly they would never be able to live by our rules and function as normal people. I bekieve that they should stay caged like the animals that they are. There was no justice for thier victims!
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Disagree on both women. Mainly due to my thought that murder should make someone instantly get sentenced to death if they commit murder. There is simply no justification for taking a persons life...NONE. The 7 years or whatever someone spends in prison for committing murder is not enough. Stop the rediculous appeals for those on death row and get the heads rolling!
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I am willing to bet that most of these people who are refusing to forgive these two women are Christians, and as such, they're being hypocritical, as usual. They've done their time. They have to live with what they've done. Brainwashing is a powerful thing /*Christians*/andalltheheinouscrimeschristianshavecommitted .. and perhaps it is time to forgive and move on.
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I truly disagree. July of 1969 was an extremely frightening time in LA. I was a single mother of three small children and I was scared every night. It made me scared of long haired, weird looking guys. Who could cut the baby out of the stomach of a mother still alive? Something was missing in the brains of these people. I'm not advocating keeping them in prison out of fear and hate . . just fear that we truly don;t know what if anything has changed in their minds.
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It would nt bother me if they were released. Somehow the media makes it look like their are people trying to keep them in. If they were released it might help prove if they had changed if they were able to stay out of trouble. I dont believe theyve changed but if I was a Judge presiding I'd release them on probation or something to see if they could stay clean. Then if they skipped country or got in any trouble I'd throw them back in the slammer for life once they were recaught.If I thought they were responsible for the trouble.I wouldnt like it if they were still talkin to Charlie Manson though. Hes obviously criminally insane. Everyone deserves a second chance.
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I simply cannot agree that women who committed the crimes they committed should be released. I was there at the times, and I have changed a lot over the same number of years, but it was just too inconceivable that someone who committed that type of crime would be model citizens. by Diane Sawyer in 1994, Krenwinkel stated: "I wake up every day knowing that I'm a destroyer of the most precious thing, which is life; and I do that because that's what I deserve, is to wake up every morning and know that." During a 2004 parole hearing, however, when asked who she would place at the top of the list of people she has harmed, Krenwinkel responded, "Myself." She was denied parole following that hearing because, according to the panel, Krenwinkel still posed an "unacceptable risk to public safety."
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no!...these two people were very sick in the head ...they were pure evil then and nothing has changed my mind about them ... nothing they have done or said over the years has change my thoughts on this either ...they are just as sick now as the day they did what they did ... now if they were released they them selves might not harm any one again but I am sure they would be able to train some young fools into doing it for them ...just like Manson did
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I completely disagree. Why would we want these two killers who visciously slaughtered innocent people out on parole? These two women allowed themselves to be manipulated by Manson and should have no part of our society. The only time I would want to see them released is when they are in body bags.
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totally disagree .. if you count the number of people they killed, they have only served just under 4 years for each life they took.. they should serve a life sentence for EACH life taken.
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Van Houten and Krenwinkel have already been shown more mercy than they showed their victims....they're death sentence was commuted. They should only be paroled when their victims are paroled from their death sentence.
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yeah it's been long enough and with supervision, they should get a chance at a life that Charles took away from them.
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They've been in jail for 40 years. They are institutionalized. What else do they know? Why would they want to get out? What would they do for a living? What would they do for themselves. I know Krenwinkel has remorsed but what about Van Houten? I see problems with them fitting into society. No matter whether it's drugs brainwashing or cult activity that put them there, I know I would be looking over my shoulder all the time, if they were around me. I believe in forgiving and second chances, if you could convince me of their accomplishments and what they have done for themselves. Otherwise it might be harmful to them to be released.
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Well, I'm not sure. They have been in prison for a very long time, what they did was of course, horrific, but people let the media interfere. If they hadn't killed a famous person would anyone care as much? If they are not a threat to society then they may have served there time, although it would be unsafe to release them for their sake. They commited truely awful crimes in a very peculiar situation, brainwashed, that is not a normal state of mind... they were brainwashed to believe they were doing something for a cause. This is a difficult call. Maybe supervise them? I don't know, I'm not qualified to decide.
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I'm in the minority here, but I do think the two women should be paroled. These were young women from troubled backgrounds who began to experiment with drugs at a time when experimentation was rampant. They were taken under the wing of a master manipulator who plied them with sex, drugs and unconditional acceptance as long as they did his bidding. None of that excuses what the two women did in 1969. It does help explain it. Van Houten and Krenwinkle separated themselves from Manson and the family after their trials and have spent decades educating themselves, taking all available prison courses and offering assistance to other inmates. Their institutional lives have been without incident. There comes a time when one has to consider the issue of rehabilitation. For less than a year's association with a dangerous man they have spent their entire adult lives in prison. How can the drug-addled, manipulated minds be the same today? At what point does a society offer a second chance to someone who has shown every willingness to change and improve themselves? These two women can't change what they did. A thousand years in prison won't do that. But they might be able to make a life and maybe even better someone else's if given the chance.
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My point is this: The people should be given a fair trial. 2 appeals or so. But, if constantly found guilty of their actions then they should be put to death. "Instantly" was a poor word to use. The "Murder" is different than "execution". By my definition, murder is the willful killing of another for reasons outside the law. Execution is someone dying for horribly breaking some law, (Homicide laws for example) Because I believe that human life is so valuable, is why I think that these people who think that it is OK to put someone to death for taking another's life. Take this guy for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_McDuff I personally think that murderers should be put to death just so that we can be rid of these people. They had their chance and "messed up" when they stole another's life. Sorry, but that "mess up" is a bit too huge for me, and I think that they should be put to death.
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I strongly disagree. Put whatever face on it..they were on drugs, they were manipulated..they still committed a horrific crime. One person posed the question, "If they hadn't killed someone famous would anyone have cared as much?" They killed more than one person, including Sharon Tate's unborn child. It matters not at all whether the victims were famous or not. Now they think that there are numerous unmarked graves of more victims on the "ranch" were the Manson family lived. Were they led by Manson? Possibly, but they not only did the killings but obviously enjoyed it. Let them out? Hell no.
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NO!!! NEVER!!! What they did is unforgivable! They were originally given the death penalty and then life. If they had gone through with the death penalty we wouldn't be answering these questions. There would have been no parole had this been carried out. Did they give their victims parole? Did they show any mercy for a mother about to deliver her child, who begged for her life and the life of her unborn child, was she or the baby given parole? No! Life is Life. Sit there until you die and think every single day about what you did. Be happy you didn't get the sentence you deserved.
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They have both served nearly 40 years for their crimes. They have openly severed their ties to Charles Manson and other family members, and seem to accept responsibility for what they did. They should be given a chance at freedom.
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No, they should NEVER be paroled. They should spend the rest of their natural lives in prison. These were very brutal, heinous crimes.
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I strongly disagree,Leslie van Houten and Patricia Krenwinkel took other people's life without any remorse and now we should give them their life back? No way,they got what they deserve,let them stay in prison,at least they're still breathing,Sharon Tate's baby never even got the chance to take his first breath.
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These people should not be to be alive. They were sentenced to dead and just by "luck" they got a second chance and they are alive. The people they killed didnt have this "luck" so no parole for any of the people who were sentenced to dead in a first place.
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The death sentence should have been carried out. They now "help" society? It doesn't ever make up for what they both did and the fact that they are still alive while their victims are gone for 40 years. When they performed murder it took away any rights they had to freedom forever.
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This is a complicated legal and moral issue. First, let me say that I agree that Leslie should be paroled. Most people believe that Leslie was there during the Sharon Tate murders- she was not. I have SEVERAL reasons why she should be paroled, but I'm not going to list them all, as I don't want to put anyone to sleep. Just saying "keep those murderers locked up" is an acknowledgement to not knowing much about Leslie's involvement, nor about the case. Some of you may think that I support Manson or his beliefs right now, but let me say that I IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM CONDONE MANSON. The man is clearly a mental patient, with clear psychological disturbances. Here are some reasons that Leslie should be paroled. 1. A life sentence is 20 years- Leslie has spent nearly 40 years behind bars. Some are saying she was given the death penalty-which was originally true-however in 1977 she won a retrial and was sentenced to life with the possibility of parole after 7 years. THAT is the sentence she is serving. Thirty nine years is almost double the time that most murderes spend behind bars. To put someone in there for 40 years, we trivialize the families of other victims, whose killers may have been behind bars for 15-20 years. It is a smack in the face. That is an important legal issue. She has done double that. For all of you that say "keep them locked up- you give me ONE- just ONE- person who has done 40 years in prison and can tell me that is not enough time, and I will withdrawl my argument. I have been in jail for 4 days, and I am telling you right now, jail is NO place to be. I cant even begin to fathom 40 years. 2. Leslie Van Houten did take a life. That is tragic and I will never belittle that. However, behind bars, she has counseled inmates with drug problems, gang, cult problems, and in this, she has also SAVED lives. At some point, as human beings, we have to believe in redemption. If there is no redemption, we are all doomed. I believe in second chances, and everyone reading this at some point has had a second chance, and been greatful for it. Remember- the ONLY incident of violence that Miss Van Houten has ever been charged with was in 1969. She has been a model inmate for 35 years with an impecable record and has met all terms of her parole. So why should we keep changing the rules? When you say "keep them in jail," who are you talking about- Leslie or Manson? She has met all terms and conditions of her parole- and has served DOUBLE her time. Imagine going to a casino and at a blackjack table you get 21, and the dealer tells you they bust at 20 on this table. That is what the parole board is doing to Leslie. 3.Her age. Leslie is not going to get out and start writing Manson. All four (Tex, Susan, Pat and Leslie) denounced Manson back in the 70's. Those who have done evaluations on Leslie say that she is "little or no threat to society," which in prison, that is the best review you can get. Why are my tax dollars paying to shelter rehabilitated criminals? It's at least $42,000 per year, per one inmate. If there was a posable threat that is one thing, but the prison is saying she is NOT a threat. One of the reasons that criminals are so hardened, is that the prisons are more concerned with punishment than rehabilitation. 4. The actual fatal wounds on Mrs. La Bianca were inflicted by Tex Watson, and Leslie's wounds were inflicted post mortem. This is shown by testimony as well as physical evidence. This is more an acccomplice issue than an actual murderer. I'm sure with Tex and Susan (who were completely out of their minds) she would have been afraid to stop anything, for fear for her own life. She was relunctant to do anything, but was demanded by Tex to stab her, because Manson wanted everyone's hands dirty. 5. Think about this-if I'm a prisoner with the possibility for parole-and see a model prisoner of 35 years not getting parole-what good does it do me to be a good inmate? It sets a bad precedent to the other inmates with parole hopes to keep denying someone who has met terms for 30 years. I have several other reasons, but this may start to get boring. Remember- every person should have a chance at redemption, as we are all born innocent, and are human, both yourself and Leslie Van Houten. You can send that to the parole board.
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There is no proof that the wounds Leslie inflicted were post mortem. That is what she says she thinks, now. There is of course, NO WAY to prove that. Age, drugs and Manson did NOT take away these women's freedoms. Their own actions took away their freedoms and rightfully so. How do you know that we are all assuming out of ignorance that Leslie was at the Tate murders? Does it matter WHO she murdered? She was at the scene of two murders, isn't that bad enough?! Life is NOT 20 years, it is 20 TO life, which means 20 years MINIMUM, not 20 years MAXIMUM. It means, 20 years with the potential for LIFE if denied parole, which she has been and good thing, too. Furthermore, someone here stated that Christians should forgive, well, let me tell you something...If we were the kind of society you propose, then we would have to let everyone out of jail and "forgive them" and there would be serial killers and mass murderers wandering the streets, maybe killing you or YOUR family. How would you feel then? It makes me sick when people start feeling sorry for dirtbags like this...How about feeling sorry for the real victims here. What would you do if it was your child they murderer for absolutely NO reason? If someone broke into your house and murdered your family and friends before torturing and murdering you, would you pray as you die that they would be "forgiven" by society? Since when was 7 years a GOOD thing for murderers? Is this something we should aspire to? If you take a life for any reason other than accident or self defense, you should pay with your own life at the very least in prison. You people make me sick. This woman died begging for her unborn baby's life, no woman should EVER die begging for her baby's life and knowing her baby will suffocate inside of her as she lie dying. Abigail Folger was a civil rights worker. Gary Hinman often took in the poor and homeless. Leno and Rosemary LaBianca worked their whole lives to get what they had...And a bunch of jealous nobodies took it away because they couldn't handle what losers they were and still are. They should spend the rest of their lives in prison for what they did. And any of you who feel sorry for them should know how it feels to be an innocent and random victim of violent crime!
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Yes parole them both have show remorse, both have lead productive lives while incarcerated.
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I strongly believe that these women belong in prison for the rest of their natural lives and they should pray for God's forgiveness for what they have done. They must accept responsibility for their own actions and to blame these crimes on other influences, drugs, society, etc... is a total cop-out. In fact it shows they do not take full responsibility. They did this on their own accord, not saying that Manson didnt influence them but that makes them no less accountable. And it truely sickens me to hear that some people think they deserve a second chance. While I dont believe they would commit crimes today I also believe they should be punished for what they did. While prison should act as rehibilation to some, to some it is also punishment: consequences for their actions. They must be held accountable for their actions for the rest of their lives. And for those who say that the fame in this case is the only reason for the punishment thats insane. By todays standards those who kill for no reason other than their own selfishness, dont even have a chance of parolle so why do they even have a chance at that?
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Once again, if you were not paying attention, LESLIE DID NOT MURDER ROSEMARY LA BIANCA!! SHE WAS MURDERED BY TEX WATSON! Lelie is an accomplice to murder and has done 5 times the alloted time for that crime. PER CALIFORNIA LAW. Sure this is an emotional issue, but the law of California states 7 years for being an accomplice. She has served 39. If anything, she should have been released years ago. If you want to add obstruction of justice for wiping off fingerprints at the crime scene, that may be 3 years max. Tex Watson was the murderer, NOT Leslie. He refuses to go his parole hearings. So as far as justice being served, Tex Watson should and will die in prison. There is the justice for the families. People that comment on this subject know barely little or nothing at all about the 2 nights of murders, (and for the record, there were actually 3 nights of murders, dont forget the murder of Gary Hinman by Bobby Beausoli.)
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First off, the assumption taking my argument into letting Manson be an accomplice is ludicrous. Here is where you are wrong. Think of it like this. John Gotti was never convicted of the physical act of killing anyone. (Even though he did) He was convicted for giving the order for someone to be killed. Which is exactly what Manson did. He told them to go into these specific homes and kill these people. The law is very clear on this. The person who gives the order will receive a tougher sentence than the one who is along for the ride. Leslie testified at first she "was reluctant to do so at first, but after stabbing more it became more fun," which is just sick. Ethically, is there a difference of stabbing someone after they are dead? That will vary from person to person. However, LEGALLY they are NOT the same. And that is what counts, because ultimately, this is a legal issue. Remember-we have to go by what law dictates, not emotion, otherwise you run into a Salem Witch Trial scenario. For the record, Pat should not be released. I apologize about the confusion as well. I was typing that pretty fast (like I am here), my point was that if one in general if does commit murder that they still can save a life, and even a murderer can turn their life around and do good deeds will add more to that but i have to go
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I know that most people are against me in this argument. I will make a bet. Here is what I want you to do-instead of giving me charged emotion, for every one LEGAL issue (not your opinion or emotion) that you bring to the table on why Leslie should be incarcerated, I will bring you TWO reasons under California law why she should be paroled. There are more legal reasons for her parole than her incarceration. But give me facts or cite law, not your opinion. "What they did was horrible," is VERY TRUE-THE CRIME WAS DESPICABLE AND INHUMANE- but the law does allow for rehabilitation, whether you like it or not, Leslie is serving a term for 7-life with the possibility for parole and she has exceeded the criteria for parole. Some of you ask, "what if you were Rosemary LaBiancas brother?" In the same sense, If you were Leslies sister, would you fight for her release. It is a biased opinion.
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They are no longer the same people they were when those terrible events occured. There have been many and much, much worse convicted murders paroled, but their crimes were not national headlines for weeks. I think they should be paroled.
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I do not know enough about these individuals or true facts of the case to answer this question but this is a message for ignorant citizens and the Parole Board. Almost none of you have sat down one-on-one with someone who has an indeterminant to life sentence and looked at who they are now, what they are doing, and see who they are as a human being. You only see these individuals as a name on a file, a case, citizens only know what the media says and the board of parole only knows what they hear in the very little time the lifer gets to speak. So who are you to say that they should not be released. In order for us as citizens and you as memebers of the board of parole need to do...is not only look at what the victim's family are saying but take a good look at the criminal...because chance's are...they are where they are because they were victims...whether that be child abuse, spousal abuse, rape,...they were victims. What kind of message are you sending out?
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I strongly agree. There are individuals who have been charged with multiple murders that have already ben released. It is the popularity of their case that is keeping them behind bars. They have been model inmates and have taken many actions to improve/ rehabilitate themselves. They too were victims of manson and have shown remorse for their crimes. Their ages alone no longer make them a threat to society. Prisons are for those who cannot be in society without reoffending or being a risk. I strongly hope that they will be released at their next parole hearings.
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I agree that they should be parolled. But under controlled circumstances. Everyday I hear about innocent people being murdered on the news. Maybe they would be able to counsel some of the kids in the world BEFORE they start their own "killing sprees". I do NOT condone what they did. It was a horrible crime. I also feel horrible for the families of the victims and what they have lost and how they have to continue to grieve for the rest of their lives.
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All these little people who want to let these evil bitches out are totally sick. Sneak into a stranger's house,torture and butcher them to death,including a pregnant woman about to give birth who begged for her unborn baby's life and was told," Look bitch,I don't care about you or your baby,you're going to die so get ready" - yeah, there are embiciles who will feel sorry for these scum,want to comfort them,befriend them,marry them..I mean it's totally sick. As for Van Houten, the next night ,she knew what she was going there for-to kill.She knew what the mission was.She certainly heard what her buddies did the previous night. She helped Krenwinkle subdue MsBianca who was fighting for her life,held her down while Krenwinkle stabbed and stabbbed,got a few licks in herself with a large carving fork. Drugs? There were no drugs involved.Manson wanted them all clear headed so they wouldn't mess up.I don't care how long they've been in,how much they now love Jesus,the tooth fairy,Budda, Mickey mouse,whomever--NO PAROLE!
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Agree - To those who believe prison should not be reformatory (and the authorities recognise it when people have changed) but merely punitive, then someone previously guilty of murder should not be denied parole until their death. I'm not of this opinion. I also think that if Manson brainwashed his cohort/followers (which prosecutor Bugliosi mantains) then it would not follow logically that Van Houton or Krenwinkel can be deemed entirely responsible for their actions at the time. Interestingly, La Bianca's daughter came out in support of Tex Watson receiving parole as he is now a born again Christian. Watson's part in the Tate/La Bianca murders far exceeded Van Houten's and Krenwinkel's. Having said that, it's unlikely they'll ever get out. The DAs are in under a political ticket and they'd lose too much public support if they were to let them free.
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I agree for Leslie. I dont understand what we benefit or the victims families benefit by keeping an inmate in jail for additional years who has shown clear remorse, has been rehabilitated by all psychological evaluations, and has had a flawless prison record for 33 years. (Her last infraction was 1976.)Can anyone give me an answer to that? Besides satisfaction? I will show later just how much satisfaction the La Bianca family gets out of it. Lets not forget that Leslie Van Houten didnt actually kill anyone either. Rosemary La Bianca was stabbed 41 total times, and the last 14 were inflicted by Leslie.Some have said "one of those 14 could have been the fatal one." So you're telling me that she survived 27 stab wounds (which she would have bled to death anyway.) If that is your argument, you obviously never completed second grade health class. Tex Watson in his book, "Will You Die for Me," (which can be read for free on his website) stated that when Leslie walked into the house, he could tell by the look on her face that she didnt want to go thru with what was about to happen. I have a total of 19 reasons why Leslie should be let out. Protesters only have one reason to keep her in, and its 40 years old. She is where she is because of who she is. If that seems a little cold-let's look at the grief of the La Bianca family. Susan La Berge became a born again Christian and became a friend of Tex Watson. I think that is a story stranger than fiction, but shows the power of God's love and forgiveness.. NOW HERE IS THE KICKER-HERE IS A DIRECT QUOTE FROM WIKIPEDIA-- In 1999, Angela Smaldino became the first member of the LaBianca family to attend a parole hearing for Leslie Van Houten. In 2000, she was joined by her brother Louis Smaldino and another relative John DiSantis, who accompanied her to the hearing and made statements against Van Houten's release. Do you see that? What happened to these victims and their families was horrendous, but the whole reason people keep Leslie in jail is for the victims families. WHY DID THESE PEOPLE NOT GO TO THESE PAROLE HEARINGS FOR 30 YEARS????? DOESNT THIS SEEM ODD??? WHAT MADE THEM TO FINALLY DECIDE TO SHOW UP AFTER 30 YEARS?? I think that is horrible on their part. If someone killed my father, I would be at their 1st parole hearing-not their 13th or 14th!!!!I know what you are saying- would you forgive the person who killed your dad? Of course I would despise them. But others have done myself and members of my family horribly wrong, and as I got older I found that walking around with anger and hatred only hurt me. Once I forgave them I began to heal. It is my hope that the La Bianca family heals as well. Inmates will look at Leslie a with perfect record in jail, not getting out, and some may think "what good does good behavior do for me?" It creates a more dangerous prison environment. Remember, some of these people get out. Being tough on crime is ok-but sometimes being too tough, criminals will get tough on you.
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If I were a god, and could look into the hearts of these two women, and see a true understanding of the magnitude of their crimes, along with a sincere empathy for their victims, and understand with true sympathy, the collateral damage they caused their families, their victim's families and the public.... if I could see honest deep remorse, not that they got caught, but for what they'd done, and know with certainty they had changed their psychology, in that they would be incapable of even contemplating such an act, let alone perpetrating it ever again... I would say yes, because I will not harbor vengeance; but I am not in that omniscient position... so I say absolutely not. It is better to err on the side of prudence... keep them away from the public... keep them safely locked up.
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Keep them in and parole Chuck- he didnt do anything. It's a frame up I tell ya.
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I do think they should be paroled. I don't believe they are any threat to society at all, and there is no constructive purpose in continuing to incarcerate them
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I have extensively studied the facts that are available and have to say that horrific serial type murders of the type here must fall into a different category, as far as I am concerned. The fact that the victims included some famous persons does make a difference, given that it created a situation where the information is much more detailed and voluminous than is normally available to the public. Is this unfair? Perhaps. Maybe even probably. But the absolute heinous and depraved nature of the killings completely erases any of that concern, at least for me. I understand what you are saying regarding California law that they may should be released on parole if deemed to be rehabilitated under the law. But,from my standpoint, I don't think I could ever agree to this. To me, it would never be a correct decision. This is due to the nature of the crimes, where the victims not only were brutally killed, but were made to also suffer to such a degree of absolute torture for no reason at all. No reason except maybe a totally misguided self-disgust of lot in life and resentment. This goes straight to the crux of the matter. I truly believe that those persons involved have something very wrong with them mentally that a thousand years in rehab will not cure. I am sorry to have to say that, but I have not seen anything that will cause me to cross the line at this point and say let them go --- any of them. And I have read everything I could find, watched all the available videos, web sites, etc. I wish it were not so. I would much prefer to be forgiving but I am afraid they have, through their actions, sacrificed their lives to the penal system. They are fortunate this occurred in California. In Texas, they would have long ago been executed. Indeed, I think they should resign themselves to their confinement and try to make something out of their lives for any benefit that might result for the families of the victims ------ without any thought of parole whatsover! In this way, they may truly find what they think they are seeking by trying to get out. My advice would be to not even go to parole hearings anymore and re-focus totally away from that. Decisions have consequences.
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ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!! WHAT THEY DID IS REPREHENSABLE. LIFE IN PRISION MEANS JUST THAT LIFE IN PRISION. THEY DESERVE NOTHING BUT THE PUBLIC'S CONTEMPT! THEY MADE THE CHOICE TO MURDER AND NOW THEY MUST CONTINUE THE CONSEQUENCES OF THOSE CHOICES THEY MADE.
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I know the public is gonna be angry at me but i believe these woman should be givin a chance to return to society maybe even under the codidions of wearing and ankle bracelet...i think 40 years and the things they have done for them selfs in prison gives them the chance to at least try to be a part of society again...trust me if they got paroled they wouldnt be the first people convicted of murder who got a chance to be a productive member of society...prisons have let murderers out of prison with only doin half the sentence only because of prison over crauding...im not playing down what these women did because it was horrific but 40 years later and the things theyve done in prison and showing remorse over the years they on my opinion should be released...
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I strongly support their release. The purpose of prison is not to carry out some sort of vengeance on behalf of society, and even if it were - these people have spent so much of their useful lives in prison that there's nothing left anymore. They were brainwashed cult followers back when the crimes were committed, as culpable of guilt as any kid who falls under the influence of an unscrupulous authority. Of course the relatives of the victims oppose their parole - all they see is the murder of their loved ones. But those murders were paid for - the Manson family have spent more than twice as long as other murderers do in prison, and other murderers commit their crimes while sane (the case could be made that a brainwashed person is not in fact sane). These were young girls who fell in with a bad crowd at an impressionable age, and they've lost their entire lives because of it. They should at least be able to prove that they've reformed now - they're no more dangerous today than any other grandmother or grandfather.
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Nobody wants these psychos back out on the streets. Why don't YOU house them if you feel so strongly about this? Do you know the entire story? Obviously not. You can relate this to the parole board!
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NOT NO BUT HELL NO!!!
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DEFINITELY NOT!!! They do not deserve a life out of prison. They BRUTALLY mentally tortured and then murdered innocent people and they should pay for this the rest of their lives. They smiled and laughed during the trial according to Paul Tate. With their death sentences being revoked they received "life" - more life than their victims received. As I doubt you will send on any disagreements to the parole board I will make sure the parole board hears from me directly. Why would anyone feel these two murderers deserved to be released into society after what they did. A life sentence was too good for them but at least they have to wake up every day facing what they did. I hope that they both die a horrible death like Susan Atkins. It would be retrubution for what they put their victims through. Look at death scene photos of Abigail Folger and tell me if you REALLY think Patricia Krenwinkel deserves "life" outside of prison.
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That is the last thing that should happen. They killed innocent people in a horrific manner. They should have executed all of them years ago. They are utterly disgusting people. They had not a ounce of remose for what they did. Are you going to send those who don't agree with you? It mad me ill that a baby and the mother, Sharon Tate, lost their life before they even got to meet each other. Only very disturbed people could do such a thing. Their death sentence commuted to life was very wrong and Arnold has no respect for the people alive who live with this bad behavior.
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