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1 )What's the biggest difference between LDS teaching and "Traditional Christianity"?
2 )Is Christian baptism sufficient for Salvation?
by Intouchforever on June 27th, 2011
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Why are the Mormon & Church of the Nazerene "We Believe" statements so similar?
by AndyP on November 23rd, 2011
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What could a person do if they felt like their Patriarchal blessing was not inspired? Could they get another one from a differant Patriarch?
by John Cox will be back April 6th 2013 on July 26th, 2011
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Mormons, do you make your temple covenants with the Lord, or with someone else?
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What does the leadership of the Ladder Day Saints consider its core doctrines that sets it apart from any other Christian denomination?
by Doc on February 7th, 2012
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You're reading If someone came up to me and said they spoke to God I would want some kind of evidence. So why should I believe what Joseph Smith said since there isn't any evidence that he ever spoke to God? I am dead serious. If there is evidence please let me know.
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So your answer is basically, "why not?"
by lounger on March 25th, 2007
No, my answer is to point out the double standard of your question. and to point to a place where you can find proof of Joseph Smith's prophetic call in the form of fulfilled prophecies if you are truly interested in proof.
by Glenn Blaylock on March 25th, 2007
Glenn. Wow. I am stuned. I am almost without words. Let me state a few things for the record. 1) I was not comparing Mormonism with Christianity. 2) Lack of evidence in something is not proof. 3) Contrary to the BOM there is tons of evidence that the events mentioned in the bible occurred. There is written evidence. There are consistent stories verifying the events. There are ruins. Maps. Peoples. Races. Vegetation. Animals. All of which are consistent with the event. 4) I do not understand how you can say that those are prophetic words. I would love to take each of those one by one and discuss them with you, but there is little space to do so. 5) No one can find any evidence that what Joseph Smith said about America's to be true. No lands, no maps, no written evidence, no animals, no plant life, no money, no ruins, no nothing. Absolutely nothing. And yet he claims the BOM to the most accurate! Like I said, I would need something in order to believe him. Instead there is nothing.
by lounger on March 25th, 2007
Matthew 16:1,4, Lounger. http://scriptures.lds.org/en/matt/16/1,4#1
by Anonymous on March 27th, 2007
Lounger, do you believe the story of Moses and the Exodus? If so, then you should know that there is no archaeological evidence to support the this story. There is no evidence that the Israelites were ever in bondage in Egypt. There is no evidence of Moses having ever having existed, let alone being a member of the royal family of Egypt. There is no record of the ten plagues that afflicted the Egyptians. There is no evidence of a large encampment of people have ever lived anywhere on the Sinai peninsula, let alone at Mount Sinai. The only evidence that any of this happened is in the Bible. Yes, you can trace many of the locations in the Bible, but there are many of the stories that cannot be confirmed through independent sources. Additionally, unlike with the Bible, we don't have continuous records for the America. The Spaniards saw to that. They destroyed all of the records that they could find. So, we can't even be sure where to look for evidence of the Book of Mormon.
by Glenn Blaylock on March 27th, 2007
Glenn, that is simply false. The BOM list thousands of people having lived making steel, machinery, coins, etc., not one of which can be found. There is absolutely no way a civilization like that could be hidden, not to mention in such a short time. Impossible, and ridiculous!
by lounger on March 28th, 2007
Bob, evidence that people existed is not a miraculous sign. verse 4 - "...A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a miraculous sign..." Don't twist the Word of God.
by lounger on March 28th, 2007
Now who's “twist[ing] the Word of God”, Lounger? Most obviously, you've added a word of your own to change the meaning of the passage which you quoted. The word “miraculous” doesn't appear in the actual passage. In any event, it certainly appears that my use of that passage is entirely apt. On matters of faith, you're asking for a sign. You're behaving in exactly the manner of the Pharisees. There's really no reason to suppose that the tangible evidence that you demand still exists or can be found. As my brother pointed out, the Spaniards destroyed a lot of the evidence that might have shed light on the origin and history of the people that they found when they first came to the Americas. The evidence that was there destroyed might very well have proven them to be remnants of the people described in the Book of Mormon. Or it might not. We cannot know. …
by Anonymous on March 28th, 2007
… It may also be that the Book of Mormon people had nothing to do with those found by the Spaniards. All that the Book of Mormon makes clear is that they lived somewhere on the American continents, and that they generally kept to a relatively small area thereof. The three American continents cover 16½ million miles², most of this with climates that are very hostile to the preservation of ancient evidence. We would have no idea where to look for evidence of the Book of Mormon people, and even if we did know where to look, it's unlikely that any significant evidence would have survived this long anyway to be found. The way to know if the Book of Mormon is true is not to rely on the wisdom of Man, but to go to the source of all truth. Moroni 10:3-5 http://scriptures.lds.org/moro/10/3-5#3
by Anonymous on March 28th, 2007
Lounger, the book of Numbers says that 603,550 men over the age of twenty left Egypt in the exodus. That is just the men. That does not include the women and children. So the total number of people in the camp of Israel had to have been well over 1 million. Quite possible over 1.5 million all told. That number of slaves leaving Egypt on top of the ten plagues that force Pharaoh to let to Israel go would have been a major economic disaster for Egypt. There is no record of any of this outside of the Bible. That many people would have left artifacts where ever they stopped for any amount of time (i.e. Mount Sinai) that we would still be able to find today. There is no sign of them nor is there enough water there to support that large of a body of people. So, by your own standards, we have to throw out the first five books of the Bible because there is no evidence to back up that those event ever happened.
by Glenn Blaylock on March 28th, 2007
@Blaylock
>>How do you know that Moses spoke to God or Abraham or Isaac or Jacob? How do you know that Noah spoke to God or Samuel.<<
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>>That many people would have left artifacts where ever they stopped for any amount of time (i.e. Mount Sinai) that we would still be able to find today. There is no sign of them nor is there enough water there to support that large of a body of people. So, by your own standards, we have to throw out the first five books of the Bible because there is no evidence to back up that those event ever happened.<<
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Good reason to dismiss all of them.
by Mr_Natural Abstractor of the Quintessence on March 14th, 2009
That is your prerogative.
by Glenn Blaylock on March 14th, 2009