Mormons: Please tell us who was the "Living Prophet, Seer, and Revelator" during the Apostolic Age? Was it Peter? Paul? James the Brother of Jesus? John the Beloved? Or another one of the Apostles?

Thank you for your answer. +6

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by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on October 7th, 2009

That's all very nice but it's more a spin doctoring or a rationalization than an answer.
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So what's the answer?

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by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on October 7th, 2009

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>God does not change from age to age.
But what he does changes to deal with human circumstances.<
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And of course this is fallacious and incongruous.
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Apparently God is so weak and inept that He couldn't think up a Eclessiological model that transcends technological and social limitations so He has to keep changing the Ecclesiological model for His Church to accommodate those limitations.
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So apparently he DOES indeed change.
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Hardly a god worth following IMO!

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by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on October 7th, 2009

Not so. The need for such changes comes from Men, and God gives us what we are ready for.
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So instructions to build an ark were given to Noah, but not to Adam.
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The law of Moses was given to Israel because they were not ready to live a higher law.
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The Gospel of Jesus Christ was given when men were prepared to receive it.
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And a single Prophet to speak for Got to all men was instituted by God once the means were there to convey what he said to all men with acceptable speed.
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But don't mistake those for changes in God.

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by edndori on October 7th, 2009

>And a single Prophet to speak for Got to all men was instituted by God once the means were there to convey what he said to all men with acceptable speed<
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Show this to me from the Bible.
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After all were I a Moonie I would say: "You're right and Reverand Moon is that man!"
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Were I a Branch Davidian I would says: "You're right and David Koresh is that man - and he shall arise again soon!"
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Were I a member of the People's Temple I would say: "You're right and Jim Jones is that man - and HE shall arise again soon!"
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Were I member of The Local Church I would say: "You're right and it was first Watchman Nee and now it is Witness Lee!"
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It seems to me that the LdS Claims are pretty pedestrian relative to other Mind Control Cults. In fact, it seems like the only groups that make this "there's a SINGLE living prophet" claim are all Mind Control Cults.
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Interesting . . .

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by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on October 7th, 2009

If you don't want to believe it, don't.
But closing your eyes to it doesn't make the truth go away.

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by edndori on October 7th, 2009

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Right back at ya blind man!
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;-)

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by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on October 7th, 2009

Oh, and of course, your response was exactly what a Moonie, a Branch Davidian, a member of the People's Temple, and a member of The Local Church would say when confronted with the evidence that I presented.
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As I said: "It seems to me that the LdS Claims are pretty pedestrian relative to other Mind Control Cults. In fact, it seems like the only groups that make this "there's a SINGLE living prophet" claim are all Mind Control Cults."
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Something to THINK about isn't it?

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by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on October 7th, 2009

You presented no evidence.
You only made insulting and inflamatory assertions.
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My beliefs make sense to me.
And what you say doesn't.
No reason I should change unless that does.

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by edndori on October 8th, 2009

>You presented no evidence<
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Incorrect. I confronted you with the fact, the evidence that you are responding - even using the EXACT words that one would expect from a member of a Mind Control Cult when they're confronted with the FACT that the Biblical model - as modeled by the Trinity - is one of SHARED, not consolidated power.
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You interpreted it as "insulting and inflamatory assertions" because, I believe, it hit close to home creating cognitive dissonance.
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And is your pattern when you can't counter with evidence, logic, or reason you play the persecuted victim and then bear your testimony using variations on the theme of, "it works here inside the tank so it MUST be true! So leave me alone - I ain't comin' out!"
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Again: "It seems to me that the LdS Claims are pretty pedestrian relative to other Mind Control Cults. In fact, it seems like the only groups that make this "there's a SINGLE living prophet" claim are all Mind Control Cults."
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by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on October 8th, 2009

Try this on for size: 1=3
Do you believe it?
Why or why not?

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by edndori on October 8th, 2009

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VERY nice attempt at deflection! Nicely done.
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But I'm not buying it.
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Apparently your Mormon Tank is out of shells.
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So . . .
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-UNSUBSCRIBED-

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by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on October 8th, 2009

And so you turn and run away.
If I'm out of shells why are you dodging?

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by edndori on October 8th, 2009

it's too bad Mr_IT is unsubscribed from this one, cause this is the only place I can topically point this out:
"the only groups that make this "there's a SINGLE living prophet" claim are all Mind Control Cults."
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In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints no one man can lead the church alone. Each President needs two counsilors, and we sustain 12 men besides them as prophets seers and revelators. When Jesus was on the earth he didn't need counsilors of course because He is an infalible God. But every other President of the church has had counsilors including Simon Peter and Joseph Smith.
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Endori, Trinitarians do not believe that one equals three, they believe that three persons exist in one being. Not quite as believable as one God manifesting himself in three differant ways... but far far from inconcievable.
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In fact I would say the biggest reason I don't believe it is that the Holy Ghost witnessed to me the truth of a differant God Head model.

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by John Cox on November 2nd, 2009

More important than this trivia is something _IT never seems to want to look at: God is our Father, Jesus is our Savior, and we are all brothers and sisters, who are to love and look out for one another. The commandments we are given can help us to learn to do that.
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And these things are central doctrines common to every christian sect, and with close parallels in many NON-Christian religions.

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by edndori on November 2nd, 2009

Thank you for your honest and thoughtful answer. +6

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by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on October 6th, 2009