by kcmasterpiece0 on October 2nd, 2009

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Anyone who studies/knows hebrew/greek... what does the original bible text really say about homosexuality?

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by The Chief on October 29th, 2009
Funny you should phrase it this way.

What you are asking is for a translation of Greek or Hebrew from the original scriptures which make up the books of the Old Testiment and the New Testiment.

You can get this from any number of different translations of the Bible. Go to the following website and look up some passages as you will, from any of the translations you wish to read:

http://www.biblegateway.com/

Genesis 19
Leveticus 18:22
Leviticus 20:13
Romans 1:26-27
1 Corinthians 6:9

There are more, but I leave that to you to google.

If this doesn't satisfy you for an answer, try googling for the scriptural translations themselves.
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- The translations that we have today are very literal and faithful to the Greek/Hebrew. We have the Dead Sea Scrolls that are over 2000 years old. The manuscripts (of Isaiah, for example) tell us that we are faithful in our current translations of Isaiah.
  The Chief has answered well!
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  by trouble315 on October 31st, 2009
- Thank you, trouble!
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  by The Chief on October 31st, 2009
- +3 GOD bless
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  by guardian on November 4th, 2009
- Thank you, guardian.
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  by The Chief on November 4th, 2009
- www.biblecc.com is a good one it has a online Strongs Concordance. +6
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  by my2cents--Vote for Paul on November 13th, 2009
- Thank you, my2cents!
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  by The Chief on November 13th, 2009
- you can also use biblegateway, but that does not have the originals as Strongs would. Thanks my2cents!
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  by trouble315 on November 13th, 2009
- I use the Strongs all the time. Have the printed but the online so much faster. Your Welcome.
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  by my2cents--Vote for Paul on November 13th, 2009
- I have a few bound volumes of concordances, but this biblecc is a great asset
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  by trouble315 on November 13th, 2009
- I'll be adding it to my own list of references as well.
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  by The Chief on November 13th, 2009
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by Moongrim on November 4th, 2009
Diddly squat concerning general homosexuality. It does kind of refer to male homosexuality.

In Hebrew it says:

Va’ish asher yish’khav et-zachar mish’khavey ishah to’evah ‘asu shaneyhem mot yumatu damyhem khem

Translated as:
And Man who he lay a male with lay a woman hateful thing they made two of them die their blood on them.

http://www.karaitejudaism.org/talks/Homosexuality_and_the_Tanakh.htm

Pretty darned specific eh?

It's STILL open to interpretation- one of which is that if the two men avoid the missionary position (which is the ONLY prescribed sexual position for Jews), they should be fine.

And the Bible doesn't say a thing about lesbians.
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- Girl power. High five.
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  by Talimze on November 4th, 2009
- Romans 1_26-27 does mention lesbians.
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  by my2cents--Vote for Paul on November 13th, 2009
- Ah yes, Romans 1 is the chapter of the Bible the Westboro Baptist Church uses to justify their protesting of dead soldiers' funerals. I'd also like to say that not only is that chapter anti-gay, but it's also sexist. Paul was truly a good Christian.
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  by Talimze on November 13th, 2009
- The only other translation of that passage I have seen is even less specific than the one you gave.
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  by Prunesquallor on November 13th, 2009
- Romans 1:26-27 (King James Version)
  
  26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
  
  27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
  
  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+1%3A26-27&version=KJV
  
  It doesn't say diddly squat about "Thou shalt not have a woman lie with a woman like she would with a man", crapola.
  
  Vile Affections covers a large range of territory.
  
  Epic Fail 2 cents.
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  by Moongrim on November 13th, 2009
- You like to play semantics don't you. --
  "Thou shalt not have a woman lie with a woman like she would with a man", crapola."
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  If it said that then you would say that a man and a woman do not lay the same a woman and a woman.
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  by my2cents--Vote for Paul on November 13th, 2009
- So let me break it down for you:
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  vile affections, women , men LIKEWISE, burned in their lust one toward another
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  VILE- dishonor or shame , AFFECTIONS--passion, lust
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  So vile affections == shameful passion or lust
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  by my2cents--Vote for Paul on November 13th, 2009
- Who says?
  
  YOU or God?
  
  I say you.
  
  So tell me 2 cents.
  
  Do you eat shrimp?
  If so, WHY?
  
  http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/
  
  Because GOD says QUITE CLEARLY what HE thinks of eating shrimp!
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  by Moongrim on November 13th, 2009
- Technically though, the person speaking in Romans is Paul, not God. Leviticus, however, is apparently the law of God, so...
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  by Talimze on November 13th, 2009
- Why are you changing the subject to shrimp? (you are not supposed to eat shrimp because it is bad for you--it is extremely high in cholesterol. That is what all the food laws are about keeping you healthy)
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  These are the definitions from the Greek I took them from the Strongs Exhaustive Concordance.
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  http://kjvs.scripturetext.com/romans/1.htm
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  by my2cents--Vote for Paul on November 13th, 2009
- "Many people are confused about the fat and cholesterol content of shrimp. Shrimp is very low in total fat, yet it has a high cholesterol content (about 200 milligrams in 3.5 ounces, or 12 large boiled shrimp). Some people have avoided eating shrimp precisely because of its high cholesterol content. However, based on research involving shrimp and blood cholesterol levels, avoidance of shrimp for this reason does not seem justified.
  
  In a peer-reviewed scientific study, researchers looked at the effect of two diets, one which contained shrimp and the other eggs, on the cholesterol levels of people with normal lipid levels. In this randomized crossover trial, people ate either 300 grams of shrimp per day or two large eggs. (A randomized crossover trial is one in which groups cross over, trying out both possible protocols.) The shrimp diet did raise LDL levels (bad cholesterol) by 7%, but also raised HDL levels (good cholesterol) by 12%. In contrast, the egg diet raised LDL levels by 10%"
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  by Prunesquallor on November 13th, 2009
- " ... and HDL by 7%. The results then showed that the shrimp diet produced significantly lower ratios of total to HDL ("good") cholesterol and lower ratios of LDL ("bad" cholesterol) to HDL cholesterol than the egg diet. In addition, in people who ate the shrimp diet, levels of triglycerides (a form in which fat is carried in the blood) decreased 13%."
  
  http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=107
  
  In brief, shrimp is an excellent source of nutrition, and its effect on cholesterol levels is, overall, beneficial.
  
  Nice of God to look out for us like that.
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  by Prunesquallor on November 13th, 2009
- You see, God doesn't mince words concerning shrimp. He says it quite clearly. Eating Shellfish is an abomination.
  
  But does he say that Men having sex with men is an abomination?
  
  Or does he call it an abomination upon WHICH sexual position two men having sex is?
  
  Why would god be so crystal clear about one thing and not another?
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  by Moongrim on November 13th, 2009
- There you go again playing semantics. Like I said the next thing you will say is they do not lie together the same way as man+woman. ("sexual position two men having sex is?")
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  You are so predictable.
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  by my2cents--Vote for Paul on November 15th, 2009
- Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
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  Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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  We have come full circle, haven't we? This being the verse you sorta quoted in your answer.
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  by my2cents--Vote for Paul on November 15th, 2009
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by guardian on November 4th, 2009
I think the first thing is their is no real word of Homosexuality, it is usually used as Sodomy or Sodomite.
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- In the KJV 1 Cor 6:9 .............ABUSERS OF THEMSELVES WITH MANKIND
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  These words translate into sodomite which in modern english is homosexual. +6
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by my2cents--Vote for Paul on November 13th, 2009
Lev 20:13 If a man also LIE with mankind as he lieth with a woman both of them have committed an abomination they shall surely be put to death their blood shall be upon them.
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7901. shakab -------------------------------

to lie down
Original Word: שָׁכַב
Transliteration: shakab
Phonetic Spelling: (shaw-kab')
Short Definition: cast down
cast down, lay self down, make to lie down, down to sleep, still with, lodge, ravish,

A primitive root; to lie down (for rest, sexual connection, decease or any other purpose) -- X at all, cast down, ((lover-))lay (self) (down), (make to) lie (down, down to sleep, still with), lodge, ravish, take rest, sleep, stay.

8441. toebah ------------------------------------

abomination
Original Word: תּוֹעֵבָה
Transliteration: toebah or toebah
Phonetic Spelling: (to-ay-baw')
Short Definition: Tolaites
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Or tonebah {to-ay-baw'}; feminine active participle of ta'ab; properly, something disgusting (morally), i.e. (as noun) an abhorrence; especially idolatry or (concretely) an idol -- abominable (custom, thing), abomination.
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1 Corn 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God Be not deceived neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor effeminate nor ABUSERS OF THEMSELVES WITH MANKIND
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733. arsenokoites ---------------------------------------

a sodomite
Original Word: ἀρσενοκοίτης
Transliteration: arsenokoites
Phonetic Spelling: (ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace)
Short Definition: homosexual

homosexual
From arrhen and koite; a sodomite -- abuser of (that defile) self with mankind.
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Romans 1:26-27
26 For this cause God gave them up unto VILE affections for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature 27 And likewise also the men leaving the natural use of the woman burned in their lust one toward another __ men with men working that which is unseemly and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet
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819. atimia --------------------------------------

dishonor
Original Word: ἀτιμία
Transliteration: atimia
Phonetic Spelling: (at-ee-mee'-ah)
Short Definition: dishonor
dishonor, reproach, shame, vile.

From atimos; infamy, i.e. (subjectively) comparative indignity, (objectively) disgrace -- dishonour, reproach, shame, vile.

http://kjvs.scripturetext.com/romans/1.htm
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- But 'mankind' doesn't mean men. It means humankind, ie both men and women.
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  by Prunesquallor on November 13th, 2009
- Did you read the definition of Strongs word #733 733. arsenokoites? That one word in greek is translated as ABUSERS OF THEMSELVES WITH MANKIND.
  
  In modern english is would be Homosexual. And in New American Standard Bible, International Standard Version, GOD'S WORD® Translation, World English Bible all use the word homosexual.
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  by my2cents--Vote for Paul on November 13th, 2009
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by fluffylucy on July 9th, 2010
Hebrew is my native tongue. the oft quoted verse וְאִישׁ, אֲשֶׁר יִשְׁכַּב אֶת-זָכָר מִשְׁכְּבֵי אִשָּׁה--תּוֹעֵבָה עָשׂוּ, שְׁנֵיהֶם; מוֹת יוּמָתוּ, דְּמֵיהֶם בָּם
basically says that a man who lays down a male like a woman they created an abomination and both shall die death, their blood on them. its slightly incoherent but may well be an admonition against gay men. it is situated somewhere between the bit where cursing your father or mother gets you killed and the bit where divining ghosts gets you stoned to death. not everything is punishable by death of course. having sex with your wife (actually says see each other's nakedness) while she is ovulating only exiles you and banishes you from your family and people forever (once a death sentence in itself). and don't even think of that mother daughter fantasy. even if you married the daughter it merits being burned to death and like a really bad midnight infomercial there's more...

I honestly don't know how any civilised person can think that this collection of books can provide a proper moral framework for living life. its not all so absolutely brutish but it is still rubbish.
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