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In The King Follett discourse Joseph Smith said, "In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods . . ." Who is this "head of the Gods" Joseph Smith didn't correlate this deity with any specific God in his discourse. Thanks.

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by whew4 on October 15th, 2009
We do not know the name of this God. It has never been revealed to us. Perhaps it is not something we need to know for our Exaltation. But we believe this council did take place.

Joseph Fielding Smith has suggested the head of the Gods was none other than Eloheim. Which certainly fits with the scriptures.

I do not recall the Church actually giving an official name to this head of the Gods. But by the description given by Joseph, I suspect it was Eloheim, the Father of Jesus Christ...Later
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- Thank you for your honest answer. +6
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by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on October 14th, 2009
I just got done reading this. I am sorry, he babbles on and on. Not really saying much.
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- Well this discourse is considered one of the best, most coherent, and best organized of Smith's final Theology. Believe it or not.
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  And I think it rambles a bit since he improvised the entire lecture.
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  But thank you for your honest answer. +6
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  by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on October 14th, 2009
- there is even a spot in there where he stops to make a joke about the rain
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  by John Cox on November 2nd, 2009
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  Hey! That's my favorite part of the discourse!
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- Mine too, it reminds me of a conferance where the airconditioning was broken in the tabernacle and President Hinkley says "It's hot in here, we know... But it's not as hot as it's going to be if you don't repent"
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  by John Cox on November 2nd, 2009
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  And the Brethren all said, "Amen Brother Hinckley!"
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by laie_techie on September 6th, 2009
Elohim - our Father.
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- Thank you but how did you make this determination? It's EXTREMELY ambiguous in the text of the discourse?
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  by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on September 6th, 2009
- One must look at other sources, including the text of the Endowment Ceremony to piece it together.
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- Thank you. I'll look there.
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  I do wish that he'd been clearer in King Follett! He was extremely ambiguous in this particular passage and it's frustrating!
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by Anonymous on January 8th, 2010
Deuteronomy 5:6-7 (New International Version)

6 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

7 "You shall have no other gods before [a] me.

Jeremiah 13:9-11 (New International Version)

9 "This is what the LORD says: 'In the same way I will ruin the pride of Judah and the great pride of Jerusalem. 10 These wicked people, who refuse to listen to my words, who follow the stubbornness of their hearts and go after other gods to serve and worship them, will be like this belt—completely useless! 11 For as a belt is bound around a man's waist, so I bound the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah to me,' declares the LORD, 'to be my people for my renown and praise and honor. But they have not listened.'

Deuteronomy 8:18-20 (New International Version)

18 But remember the LORD your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth, and so confirms his covenant, which he swore to your forefathers, as it is today.

19 If you ever forget the LORD your God and follow other gods and worship and bow down to them, I testify against you today that you will surely be destroyed. 20 Like the nations the LORD destroyed before you, so you will be destroyed for not obeying the LORD your God.
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- Good citations but I'm not quite sure what point you were trying to make. However, these passages are good evidence against the LdS Theological position that:
  
  YaHWeH = Jesus
  Elohim = Heavenly Father
  
  Here's why:
  
  Deuteronomy 5:6-7 (New International Version)
  
  6 "I am the LORD [YaHWeH] your God [Elohim], who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
  
  7 "You shall have no other gods [Elohim] before me.
  
  http://scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/deu5.pdf
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- Jeremiah 13:9-11 (New International Version)
  
  9 "This is what the LORD [YaHWeH] says: 'In the same way I will ruin the pride of Judah and the great pride of Jerusalem. 10 These wicked people, who refuse to listen to my words, who follow the stubbornness of their hearts and go after other gods [Elohim] to serve and worship them, will be like this belt—completely useless! 11 For as a belt is bound around a man's waist, so I bound the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah to me,' declares the LORD [YaHWeH], 'to be my people for my renown and praise and honor. But they have not listened.'
  
  http://scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/jer13.pdf
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- Deuteronomy 8:18-20 (New International Version)
  
  18 But remember the LORD [YaHWeH] your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth, and so confirms his covenant, which he swore to your forefathers, as it is today.
  
  19 If you ever forget the LORD [YaHWeH] your God [Elohim] and follow other gods [Elohim] and worship and bow down to them, I testify against you today that you will surely be destroyed. 20 Like the nations the LORD [YaHWeH] destroyed before you, so you will be destroyed for not obeying the LORD [YaHWeH] your God [Elohim].
  
  http://scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/deu8.pdf
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- So in the end, Joseph Smith the "humble" man that once said of himself . . .
  
  "...I am learned, and know more than all the world put together"
  (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.350-352)
  
  . . . somehow didn't know that "Elohim" was simply the generic Hebrew word for "God".
  
  Oops!
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