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by Ron C on September 4th, 2009
I totally reject that idea. I'm 62 and have at least 10 good years left. I'm good at my job, possibly the best in our area, like my job, and the Bush recession took the gains from my savings. Why should I live in poverty to make some kid that doesn't work as hard, or as well as I do?
by guirion on September 4th, 2009
Younger workers?
HAHAHAHA!
Now that's actually funny.
I don't know anyone in their 20's that wants to do any actual physical work.
Most of them can't make change in their head.
none of them has ever heard of a micrometer.
They work in fast food joints and call themselves cooks.
They think they're gonna make $500,000 a year as the C.E.O. of an internet based business.
They all want to draft the plans but none of them want to break their backs constructing anything.
Granted there are a few out there that have a strong work ethic but most of them cringe at the thought of getting their hands dirty.
They lack experience but think they can do a better job.
Sorry for the rant but this has been my experience with younger workers.
by anywho is feeling pretty on September 5th, 2009
Everyone needs to make a living. How are those forced to retire going to provide for themselves?
by mellow_girl on September 4th, 2009
no, not at all, the govt. should make it so older people can afford to retire, a lot of older people want to retire but can't make it without working...
by Sosueme on September 5th, 2009
I don't think anyone should be forced out of a job merely because of age. People are healthier and live longer and can continue to be productive well past their 50's if they choose to do so. The problem is companies want to get rid of older employees to reduce salaries/wages (as younger workers are paid less) and to reduce benefits being paid (402k's, health benefits etc). It is discriminatory and illegal for a company to do so in the US. Further, most companies no longer provide a pension or health benefits once an employee retires. Many people cannot afford to not work. Social security in the US does not provide enough and that system is currently underfunded. Bear in mind, social security does not begin until 62 years of age at the earliest and at a reduced amount. There also is the issue of knowledge and experience which is lost if older employees are replaced with younger employees.
by therapist on September 5th, 2009
The average citizen on social security makes under 800 a month. This will not pay half the bills a person has unless they are lucky enough or have no choice but to live on assistance. It is sad that workers who have busted their arse for 40 years can't even live. How are they supposed to live if they are forced to retire and honestly I have met very few people under the age of 30 that really want to work. I had a friend who recently moved and wanted someone to help her clean out her van(she's disabled). They wanted $50.00 for 10 minutes of work. One of them told her that would be too much and he would have to sweat.
by Ailsa on September 5th, 2009
If your health is good and you can do your job to the requirements then work till you cant
by BROADWAYTHECAT on September 5th, 2009
no...
by Thriftymaid on September 5th, 2009
Nope.
by jeanie16 on September 5th, 2009
oh god................ I hope that doesnt happen:(.........
by curlysue on November 15th, 2009
No because you cant collect social security yet.and you cant get medicade either .do you know what health insurance costs.
by Anonymous on October 27th, 2009
Everyone has the right to work or retire at their leisure, and from what I've seen, older people sometimes hold jobs that require a much higher degree of education.
"Would you let in a dog that wasn't house trained?"- Hobbes from "Calvin and Hobbes"
by knownothing on October 27th, 2009
terrible idea. with no 50 year olds working, we would lose valuable experience needed to run the world.
by TAPriceCTR s son is wearing his COAT on October 27th, 2009
not at all. there are plenty of jobs out there, the problem is that our state of economic slavery has all entry level workers taking 2-3 of them just to survive. decrease wage polarity, and fire less effective 6 figure employees (and executives) with greater ease than you fire a burger flipper... this will end the job shortage because most people would be satisfied with the living wage one job could provide.
here is a bit of biblical wisdom that the modern bussiness world had decided is incorrect. 1 corinthians 12:21-22 "And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary." the head has said to most of the body the body "I have no need of thee, if you want more money become a head"
1 cor 12:14-17 talks about that "For the body is not one member, but many. If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?"
these passages of scripture are even more true to the bussiness world than they are in religion
the 50+ generation has been underpaid almost as much as the younger generation. yes they will mostly see a retirement, but it will be a working retirement needing part time jobs to suppliment the little money they were capable of socking away by age 65. unless something changes my generation will have no retirement having to work just as hard until old age and body abuse hospitalizes us. all this so the elite few can have their own private jets instead of flying commercial.
by sm00z on October 27th, 2009
Forced retirement for people in their 50s would flood our work forces with too many inexperienced young workers. We need the 50ish people in the work force to help train the younger workers and help these young people acclimate themselves to the demands of production, accountability, and stabilization in the workplace.
by Sid on October 27th, 2009
No. It's a good idea in theory, but it wouldn't work financially and some people don't want to retire early.
by Thriftymaid on October 27th, 2009
NO. What kind of reasoning is that?
Oops, answered twice.
by Jadey - Vive la difference on October 27th, 2009
No... My reasons:
1) That's ageist.
2) The country could not afford to financially support all of those over the age of 50 in their retirement. Taxes would rise dramatically, money for other public services may fall.
3) How dumb would it be to sack an excellent director or professional in favour of someone with no where near the level of experience, intelligence and maturity? Profits/efficency may fall.
4) There will probably be a whole load of jobs which younger workers may not want to do, may not be qualified to do, or jobs going spare.
5) Related to point two, that would be even more stupid in an ageing population.
by Ed the Jetpacking Headbanger on October 27th, 2009
Who would pay to keep these older citizens alive? The experience loss would be too great.
by CT on September 5th, 2009
I think that age is to young..and no nobody should be forced out..if they give people at the age of 60 a option to retire that would be better..
by Brian I on September 5th, 2009
In certain cases that already happens. For example, in the UK Police the maximum age is 55, at which point retirement is compulsory.
by Emmi331 on November 15th, 2009
Lord, no - they've been watching their 401Ks dwindle down and don't know if Social Security will even be around in ten years. They're even more scared than the young'uns, since they don't have much time left to make up the shortfall.
by qwerty on November 15th, 2009
Considering the fact that you can't start to collect full SSI until 65, no
by griffin on November 15th, 2009
please-the trouble is that is the age group that has the expertise and experience- the other is its the largest generation-and even worse how could it be paid for
by writemyselfaletter on October 27th, 2009
No one should be forced to retire. Just read of a 95 year old woman still working and loving it.
What is the retirement age for someone to receive full benefits?
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Ron thats a terrible statement, there are a lot og young people who DO work hard and can do well when taught.
by Pixie - jeg er elsket on September 4th, 2009
Fine, they they can find their own job or start their own business. I wouldn't object to helping someone get into my business; I object to just giving it to him or her because I;ve had a birthday.
by Ron C on September 4th, 2009
Nicely put,Ron.
by engineer is Terminator on September 5th, 2009
Fhank you, engineer. What kind of engineer are you and please don't say a good one. I studied electronics but switched to computers and process control.
by Ron C on September 5th, 2009
great answer
by Ailsa on September 5th, 2009
I studied Electrical but,switched to software development.Same case here.A gone one.
by engineer is Terminator on September 5th, 2009
People always get electrical and electronics engineering mixed up. The greatly diverge after basic electronics. To me, any wire bigger than 22 guage is big. Electrical guys are looking at 00 wire and working out if it's big enough.
by Ron C on September 5th, 2009
Yeah,You work on mega hertz and gigahertz and millivolt while we work on Mega Volt and GV and less than 60 Hertz until and unless we deal with power line carrier communication.
by engineer is Terminator on September 5th, 2009
I agree except I did work with radar and we had 600 volt power supplies and 26 KV anode voltage. Not usually enough current to kill you but I have been knocked on my ass for not being careful. You guys can keep those big wires, too much work.
by Ron C on September 5th, 2009
Yes,Some equipments like radar need higher voltage input.Electronics is equally challenging when you trouble shoot.Trouble shooting is even more hectic if the design and installation were not done proper.We have faced a lot of issues lately due to violation of design parameters.What people now a days do,is make the system work by hook or crook and screw up the entire process.It become hard to maintain it later on.Sometimes we go for a re-installation,especially in communication sector.What can be done for minimal investment demands, 3X the required cost.I wonder how do companies recruit now a days.
by engineer is Terminator on September 5th, 2009
My company builds industrial processing equipment. Our designs are neat and pretty well thought out, especially in the electrical cabinet. We have to follow CE standards and you just can't put together junk and expect customers to accept it.
I lead many installation and sometime moving projects. All I ever do is specify the power requirements, 480, 300 Amps, 60 Hz. and tell the electricians where the disconnect is located. The choice of wire and conduit is theirs, I work too many places to know the local codes.
by Ron C on September 5th, 2009
That's because you you have your quality experience backing your skills up and you work with care and caution.It's not the case when companies pick any kid from the street and throw them into designing sector just after 1 year of a goofed up design experience.Another reason is,those kids don't believe in working hard and screw up the CE,BSI and even the ISO standards.Trouble is awaiting for them.
by engineer is Terminator on September 5th, 2009
I don't see how the company can stay in business. I have to ride herd on our office engineering staff. They sometimes think my statements are suggestions instead of orders. The best cure for sloppy engineering is to drag the guy to the site and make him stay there until the problem is fixed. I did that several times and it makes the engineer thinkd about the guy that has to use, install, and fix the equipment. I had a little trouble getting the company president on board until I dragged him to one of our installations.
by Ron C on September 5th, 2009
That's the best cure,indeed .I was a part of a design team where people like you were there with bulk of experience and they didn't tolerate any margin of error.The other team we worked with, was not so much into specification.As a result,when out designs were integrated,there were some loop holes that were impossible to mend at that stage.We have to do a lot of rework overnight.I quited the job 2 years ago because of numerous such reasons and made my way into software development,though I loved to be in my field.
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You won't be surprised to learn that the company is on the verge of bankruptcy now.That doesn't make me any happy at all because, there are a lot many people who are affected for no fault of theirs.I was the lucky one that I escaped the plight,but not many of them are as lucky.
by engineer is Terminator on September 5th, 2009
We are a small company so a little yelling goes a long way. I notice that as a company grows in size it grows in stupidity and bureaucracy.
by Ron C on September 5th, 2009
I agree.
by engineer is Terminator on September 5th, 2009
Wow. What a great great thread. engineer is Terminator is WOLV and Ron C ...Bravo. ;) 6+
by CaRbOnPrOdUcK is Baccuss on September 6th, 2009
Thank you, that is unexpected and appreciated praise.
by Ron C on September 6th, 2009
You guys gave me goose bumps. ;)
by CaRbOnPrOdUcK is Baccuss on September 6th, 2009
Well I didn't think it went that far. Goose bumps, really...?
by Ron C on September 6th, 2009
Thanks for the appreciation,CP.
by engineer is Terminator on September 6th, 2009