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What is a good reason for Republicans to be opposed to Health Care Reform the way it is being done in Congress? They cannot think costs spiralling out of control and some people not insured is morally ok?

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by Arisztid on August 12th, 2009
Some of the people who are against health care reform are against it because they think the propositions on the table stink.

There is also a lot of the 'I won't pay for your healthcare' crowd who, literally, would watch someone die rather than "pay for your healthcare... after all, I EARNED my money. Deal with it yourself or die."

So, yes, the last kind that I mentioned think it is morally OK.
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  by Arisztid on August 13th, 2009
- Amen.. If you want me to take care of your ass, think again.
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  by factoid master on August 15th, 2009
- I could not care less what you do, what you pay for or do not, factoid matter.
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by buxtonite ..slowly losing my mind on August 12th, 2009
simple ..because its shows how the Republicans did absolutely nothing while they were in power about healthcare reforms and were quite happy to let well over half a millions U.S. citizens die of treatable diseases and record numbers of U.S. citizens go bankrupt because of medical bills. Sitting by while U.S. citizens had to take out loans to pay for medical bills ... morality? they have no idea what that is ..,now profits at any cost and kissing the Religious Rights arses .. thats something they do know about
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- Bustonite, What planet are you from? First off, the only diff between a dem and a rep is the spelling. You claim all your medical treatments of the past were free. Nope! sorry you ignoranus, it wasn't free. Your medical bills were paid for by other hard working American Citizens via taxes. My question to you is: What gives you a right to my earnings? Why do you think I should pay for your medical treatment? How pathetically stupid can you possibly be to think your medical treatment was free? You are a sponge, soaking up the earnings of other Americans.
  
  Noodle this out you idiot. If you asked everyone in this country for just ten seconds of their life to extend your life by forty years most people would not object. However,once you make that ten second request a "right" extended to All Americans, You effectively shorten the life span of everyone in the country. Can you not see that such an entitlement will adversely affect the quality of life for the rest of the country?
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  by factoid master on August 13th, 2009
- lol... listen fool I am not a Yank... I was talking about Australia and since I am Australian it makes sense. Now as for YOUR taxes and mine do YOU agree with where ALL your tax dollars go?.. NO! and most people don't agree 100% where their tax dollars go .. so suck it up and don't try to play that old bullshit line with me. As for being a spong your joking I have payed tax for 40 years of my working life ( income tax ) plus more than 3 or 4 times that amount in indirect taxes ... I don't have kids so I don't expect the government to pay for them ( out of my taxes ) for example .. I could give you a list as long as my arm about what I don't get in tax breaks that others expect ALL of us to pay for out of our taxes . I pay car rego (taxed), petrol taxs but I only see 10% of these taxes go back into roads .. the rest is sucked of for Social Programs and I think that sucks so you see there are things I don't agree with
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  by buxtonite ..slowly losing my mind on August 13th, 2009
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  ns it, you are from Down Under. Butt out. If and when you become an American citizen I will spar and show you the errors of your ways. If and when you become an American Citizen, obviousely, my first question is: Why?
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  by factoid master on August 15th, 2009
- lol... again some of you yanks get most upset when people with saner heads dare pass comments about the "good old U.S.of A.. get over it!!, and I have no desire to ever move to the U.S. YOU have absolutely nothing I need or want
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by OldCW wears The COAT of the Cosmos on August 12th, 2009
There is no good reason, a public option has many advantages for business.

1. Small businesses are freed of health care requirements reducing start up costs and eliminating worker's comp almost entirely.

2. Banks will have far fewer foreclosures since medical bills make up the majority of bankruptcies.

3. Reduced emergency room visits, longer life spans and healthier lives. These impact businesses favorably.
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- I see you started drinking early.
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  by factoid master on August 15th, 2009
- Insulting people you disagree with? That's such a convincing way to make your point. not.
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by I Lvl You on August 12th, 2009
SOCIALIZED MEDICINE IS GOING TO BE THE DEATH OF AMERICA
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- Would you please elaborate on that? I keep hearing people say it but I don't really understand what that means.
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  by Spirit of the Nomad on August 12th, 2009
- Sprit... youwon't hear anything like that ... because they know its bullshit , they are only repeating what they hear the Republican fools dribble ... the same ones who did nothing about healthcare for sooooo long
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  by buxtonite ..slowly losing my mind on August 12th, 2009
- Surley, Okay Well, Obama wants to give free health-care, a.k.a. Socialized Medicine, By giving free health care, anyone can get it, as opposed to now were millions can't afford it, sounds good right? Theres one HUGE flaw about this idea, First off, Our taxes will spike up unbealivably high, 2nd off and the worst is that with everyone able to get health care free, everyone will be getting it, leading to outrageously long waits to get medical attention and or medicine, for example, in germany they have Socialized medicine like this, On the news I saw a couple tell the story of how there nephew died because of socialized medicine, He was having some sort of issue, I wans't able to hear the full story, I think he had a Lump on him which he thought was cancerious and he had tried for a year to schedule a doctors appointment to get the Mark checked out but after so long of not being able to get a hold of a doctor the cancer had allready spread throught his body and killed him.
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  by I Lvl You on August 12th, 2009
- Yeah, I've noticed that...people keep throwing around words like "Liberty" and "Euthanasia" and all sorts of words that are meant to rile people up so I am hoping that I Lvl You could give me an actual answer and not just more rhetoric.
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  by Spirit of the Nomad on August 12th, 2009
- I told you what you asked and gave you an example... you Democrats I swear, I didn't even use either of those words in my comment. Socialized medicine may seem like a good idea now but lets see how great of an idea it is when your taxes raise and your not going to be able to see a doctor about that strange tumor looking thing on your arm for over a year, and in some cases, a girl who had a terrible sickness wasn't elidgeable to see a doctor for her condition until she was age 21, when at the time she was age 16, how does that sound for your Kids/Nieces/Nephews...
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  by I Lvl You on August 12th, 2009
- So your argument is that universal health care is bad because some people will actually get health care for the first time? That's rather selfish of you. There is no shortage of doctors; what there is, is a glut of doctors going into certain specialties. By changing the way different types of medicine are reimbursed, more people will go into primary care/family medicine and will be able to evaluate patients who come in with acute complaints like a lump.
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  by Dr_Dredd on August 12th, 2009
- I respect your calm attitude but I disagree, I think it's great that people who couldn't afford health care is getting it, but why do I have to pay a higher price in taxes to pay for low lifes that can't get jobs and sit around all day waiting. I think it's complete theft and unfair, if they want health care, get a job, don't ruin Health Care for everyone else, There will be a shortage of doctors when EVERYBODY is going to them for all there problems when they wont have to pay a cent for it, Trust me, If it goes through, you won't be very happy if you get a critical illness and you can't scheudle and appointment beacuse there overflowed allready with pateints.
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  by I Lvl You on August 12th, 2009
- The majority of people with no insurance have jobs... jobs that pay way too little to allow them to afford insurance premiums. Where I work, we're seeing a lot of retirees from companies like Kodak who paid into the system their whole lives and are now getting screwed.
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  I still disagree with you about the shortage of doctors. And anyway, if you have a critical illness, you won't be scheduling an appointment. You'll be going to a hospital, where people are treated according to how sick they are. :-)
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  by Dr_Dredd on August 12th, 2009
- I Lvl You.... yes sometimes people fall through the cracks and for some reason or another they can't see a doctor right away and thats a shame ... but don't you think that well over 500,000 Americans die each year from treatable health issues just because they can't afford health cover and another 3 million who have to go bankrupt because they can't pay the ski high medical costs , or how about the countless others who have their treatment stopped because their insurance ran out or the countless others who go to the doctors or hospital after paying through the nose for their so called health insurance thinking they were covered only to find out that their health provider has changed or does not cover what they need to be done or the ones already in hospital and their cover runs out...is that fair?... no!
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  by buxtonite ..slowly losing my mind on August 12th, 2009
- as for your taxes going through the roof you really need to get a gripe on reality and stop listening to the bullshit scare tactics of the Republiacns and Fox news and the Right wingers ... if its like our health system EVERYONE will have to pay a percentage of the wages into the health fund ..here in Australia it just over 3% for basic health cover where you can go to the doctors and or hospital and be treated . The other thing is if you want to keep your private health cover you can for things like elective surgery or the choice of your doctor your prefer but that is up to you to decide. but for many the basic cover is enough and at least they get treated by doctors and not stopped at the bloody front desk if they don't
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  by buxtonite ..slowly losing my mind on August 12th, 2009
- Now I am in my mid 50's and I have had 2 strokes, cancer 3 times,been burnt to half of my body( 6 months hospital stay), had 4 knee reconstructions, appendix taken out, one eye saved from a knife injury, numerous broken bones fix, glandular fever( 9 months in hospital) and a number of other things fix all for free under the Medicare system and the longest I ever had to wait was 1 week for one of the knee jobs. Now I even got some of the top Surgeons and Doctors in the country and the best of care from the hospital staff who treated me as if I was a private patient paying $3000 per day... so don't tell me I am full of shit and don't know what I am talking about
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  by buxtonite ..slowly losing my mind on August 12th, 2009
- I wish it was worth talking to the "I won't pay for your healthcare" crowd, but it is not.
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  by Arisztid on August 13th, 2009
- lol... I wasn't going to but I just couldn't let this one go...lol
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  by buxtonite ..slowly losing my mind on August 13th, 2009
- Oh I only read to the point where you said " President thinks he can tell me that I have to pay for peoples Health Care" because I stopped caring after that.
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  Yep, you are one of those ones who say "I won't pay for your healthcare" and happily watch us die. When you or one of your loved ones lose healthcare, you shall change your tune.
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  by Arisztid on August 13th, 2009
- All this person needed to say is that he would not pay for other people's healthcare. I have heard that old saw long enough that when I see it I just do not read anything more from that individual. I did not read far enough to learn that he holds Rush up as a poster boy.
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  Oh, here is a good explanation of health care:
  http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/7442041
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  I have that answer saved in my bookmarks.
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  by Arisztid on August 14th, 2009
- Excuse me I Lvl You. We can disagree here, but name calling is not allowed. I will be deleting the name calling.
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by Spirit of the Nomad on August 12th, 2009
I don't think most people (republicans and democrats) understand* the new plan enough to comment on it and the fact that people hate it so much without actually understanding it is really alarming to me, it could be a really great plan or it could be terrible but without actually checking the facts no one will know that they are supporting something that could potentially be bad for us or challenging something that could be really good for us.

*understanding of the proposed bill does not mean that you can repeat your favorite news networks message about the plan it means you understand the content of the proposal.
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- Free hookers sounds like a good plan until you get the clap.
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by Thunder_Kiss_65 on August 12th, 2009
I'm all for Health Care reform the monstrosity moving though government is not reform. Its Socialized medicine that will be ran by a government that is notoriously bad at handling any thing. Post Office IRS Medicare Medicaid Social Security and the list goes on and on.
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- That's one thing I am worried about, I am all for socialized medicine, (I've lived in Germany and their system is fabulous and learned that it can work) but I am worried that our government can't handle it. Even the simplest requests take a ridiculous amount of time and while I don't mind waiting 3-5 months for a passport waiting that long for a medical test might prove fatal.
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- public education...
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  by Rude Bear Ready for Winter on August 14th, 2009
- Please go home.
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by factoid master on August 12th, 2009
Obama said it best just yesterday when he pointed out that the free market with Fed Ex and UPS were doing just fine but that it was only the U.S. Postal office that was losing money. Loosely put, according to the Pres, private industry is doing well and the Government run Postal Service is doing poorly.

Cash for Clunkers. Our government projected 1 billion for four months and within four days they were broke so, using the force that only Government has, they took an additional 2 Billion tax dollars from the American Citizens to pump it back into their failed project.

Money and morals are not the issue, it is the control they will have over our lives that is of issue.
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- exuse me how did the cash for clunkers fail?, how many jobs in the auto industry have been saved because of this ( dealers,auto workers etc), and how many old gas guzzling cars have now been taken of the road .. I see no failure there, now if you really want to talk about failure how about the billions or is it trillions now, the failed half cocked war in Iraq has cost
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  by buxtonite ..slowly losing my mind on August 12th, 2009
- How did Cash for Clunkers Fail? Are you really that dense? I hate making assumptions but I must assume you went to a Public (government) school and inbibed the indoctrination. Let's see if you can noodle this out. I am a businessman. ou are a banker. I convince you that I have a short term plan to generate a fgood business plan. I ask you for One Billion for the project which is to last four months. In less than a week I go bankrupt and I need to ask you for additional funds. Working off the exact business plan I submitted would you lend me an additional Two Billion Dollars? Buxtonite, the system went bankrupt! They ran out of Money in less than a week. Where, in God's name, do you see success in that? In order to continue they (congress) needed to take an additional 2 Billion dollars of the money you, me and the rest of the people in this country earned. Please tell me you do not see a success story there. www.creativebuildingsolutions4u.com
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  by factoid master on August 13th, 2009
- the only reason it needed more money was because they underestimated the demand that the PEOPLE of the U.S. put on it, so if that many people wanted it then it was a success as I said it helped save jobs right across the auto industry from the ones who make the cars to the ones who sell them and everyone in between, it also save jobs in ALL the ancillary businesses who supply the auto industry including the steel mills and the people who supply the steel mills with raw material. It also got old gas guzzling/polluting cars off the road... so yes I would class it as a success
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  by buxtonite ..slowly losing my mind on August 13th, 2009
- The program cost the taxpayer more than the revenue it generated. It also did not save the auto industry. It was merely a short term boost. GM and Chrysler are still in trouble and could very well still go under. I find it hard to describe any program that is a net loss to the economy as a success.
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by Elwood on August 14th, 2009
So far, what is being proposed in Congress is a grab-bag of pet projects and governement controls, interwoven with massive transfers of wealth. Strangely enough, the President is now trying to sell a load of BS by calling these projects "health insurance reform."

Believe me, if what Congress is proposing were actually health insurance reform, I think the entire country would get behind it.
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by Bob on August 15th, 2009
health insurance companies, health services corporations, investment firms with tremendous assets in health services all donate to campaigns of republicans and lobby their interests (with money)to republicans 2:1 against democrats and against health care reform. it can't be those homeless veterans who live on the streets of DC we all stumble over as we race off to our next meeting. the question of morality, posed by john locke, assumes that there is a developed conscience.
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by OhLook - IamNoLongerAnonymous on December 28th, 2009
Because the bill in Congress does nothing to reform healthcare. The bill in Congress does nothing but change who pays for healthcare. What’s worse, it is mandates that certain people pay more each year for healthcare in order to pay for the healthcare of others.

More importantly, changing who pays for healthcare will do nothing to prevent the increase in healthcare costs year after year.

Liberals are so busy arguing their agenda, that they have not taken the time to sit back and ask why would Republicans oppose a healthcare bill that would save them money? After all, aren’t all Republicans greedy people who only care about their bottom line? If this healthcare reform bill is going to save American’s money (and Republicans are American’s too), then why are they not jumping n board to reap the benefits.

However, have you noticed that liberals spend a lot of time arguing an agenda, and little to no time arguing the merits of their ideas?
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What is a good reason for Republicans to be opposed to Health Care Reform the way it is being done in Congress? They cannot think costs spiralling out of control and some people not insured is morally ok?

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