Why does the Vatican need lightning rods?

The buildings are tall and plenty of empty spaces all around.
Lightning has little respect for the sanctity of buildings.
It strikes randomly at the suitable targets.
Vatican does need lightning rods.

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Don't they have faith enough to believe God will protect their property?
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by Jim in a Nautilus COAT on July 15th, 2009
No. Not where their lives and property are concerned! They will offer solmn prayers for protection of other people's lives and property from nature's fury. But their prayers will not work for their own benefit. Very reasonable, I should say.
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by Suby the Coat on July 15th, 2009
They may fall back on the saying (not from scripture), "The Lord helps those who help themselves."
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by Jim in a Nautilus COAT on July 15th, 2009
That ^saying^ is pretty much a Placebo, no?
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by ACCOUNT CLOSED on July 15th, 2009
Who said 'religion is the opiate of the masses'? Right. Karl Marx said that. Opiates are Placebos. I think Marx did speak a few words of wisdom now and then.
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by Suby the Coat on July 15th, 2009
Karl Marx was an athiest, it's easy for an atheist to make such an assumption.
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by Mikelbf2000 on July 19th, 2009
Hey Suby? I can guarantee you that during my recent recovery from rotator cuff surgery the opiates were definitely *NOT* placebos. ;)
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Oh, and +
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by xhepera on July 19th, 2009
Indeed it is easy for an atheist to make such a statement. That's not a bad thing, if that's what you were trying to imply, Mikelbf. It shows the common thread of critical thinking, common among most atheists. Examining society, instead of being a puppet of it. Learning about the world, instead of standing in ignorant awe.
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I'm not a communist by the way, so don't bother trying to draw a connection there...
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by ACCOUNT CLOSED on July 19th, 2009
@Mikelbf2000: I'm not an atheist or a communist, but I have to tell ya that Marx was right on the money with that statement. Religion *is* the opiate of the masses. But, contrary to what Suby said, it isn't a placebo. Placebos are harmless. It's a real, addictive and dangerous drug for many. Don't think for one instant that the whack job Christians in the west are any better than the whack job Muslims of the Taliban.
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by xhepera on July 19th, 2009
Like I said its easy for you to make those statements against christianity. Doesn't involve thinking when you simply don't believe in something. Since most of you don't understand that having faith is more then just standing in awe. You can't answer everything in a test tube or a lab. You don't understand and you dont want to understand a person of faith.
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by Mikelbf2000 on July 19th, 2009
xhepera, You cant possibly compare modern christians of the west to the Taliban. Do your homework on the Taliban, they terrorize people with flogging and executions by hanging, shooting, and beheading. They see women as things and kill them without a second thought. I dont see a modern western christian doing those things. I dont see western christians inforcing extremely harsh laws like the Taliban. You need to think before going that far.
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by Mikelbf2000 on July 19th, 2009
@ xhepera. In a situation where surgery is needed opiates are excellent for anesthesia before surgery and also they work excellently as pain killers till full recovery. In this context opiates could hardly be called placebos.
Thanks for pointing out. And Jim's proverb is equally applicable in your situation: "The Lord helps those who help themselves.".
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@ Mikelbf: By the way, I am not an Atheist in the strictest sense of the term. I do believe that there are powers beyond the human mind and intellect to which everything seen and unseen owe their origins. The source that is.
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by Suby the Coat on July 19th, 2009
Mikelbf: When I said 'opiates are placebos' I was saying it in a different context. Religion can and does produce the effect of opiates. Your comments above would substantiate my conclusions.
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by Suby the Coat on July 19th, 2009
>>>I dont see a modern western christian doing those things. I dont see western christians inforcing extremely harsh laws like the Taliban. You need to think before going that far.<<<
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Oh, I've thought about it long and hard. And I know exactly what the Taliban are all about. I didn't castigate "modern Christians." I said, and meant, "whack job Christians." And don't think they don't exist. There is a whole movement that wants to go back to Old Testament law as the law of the land.
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by xhepera on July 19th, 2009
If they succeed we would see something identical to the Taliban. Do they have sufficient say in the U.S. to make that a reality? Not yet. But they're working on it. Do some research on the so-called Christian Reconstructionist movement. I don't make this crap up. Are they true Christians? Hell no, any more than the Taliban are true Muslims.
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by xhepera on July 19th, 2009
@Suby: I knew what you meant. I was just teasing with you. No offense intended.
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by xhepera on July 19th, 2009
Nothing I say will make sense to you will it? EVERYONE in America enjoys their freedoms too much to allow Taliban like laws.
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by Mikelbf2000 on July 20th, 2009
Food for thought.
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by Suby the Coat on July 20th, 2009
Yes, Mike; EVERYONE enjoys *THEIR* freedoms. And there are a lot who couldn't care less about anyone else's as long as they've got theirs. I would like to think that we are too enlightened to ever allow such a thing in the U.S. But I don't take that for granted.
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by xhepera on July 20th, 2009
Keep in mind that most christians enjoy music, dancing, freedom of speach and education. Most Christian women enjoy wearing nice clothes and makeup. The Taliban outlaws all these things and more. Everyone enjoys their freedom but if my nieghbor looses his/her freedom then I lose mine as well. The taliban refused everybody freedom including themselves.
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by Mikelbf2000 on July 20th, 2009
Actually, the entire comparison is fallacious. No, most modern Christians don't even consider living in as extreme a fashion as the Taliban. But the fact is, neither do most modern Muslims. The Taliban are hated by many of their own people. And go to a more modernized Muslim nation such as Turkey or Morocco, and they will utterly blast any notion of adopting Taliban-esque laws.
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Also, Christians have had plenty of more time to modernize. Colonialism ring a bell? Most Islamic nations today were formed relatively recently; many of them used to be under the rule (at least indirectly) of the British, Portuguese, Spanish, and even Americans.
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To expect them to modernize at the same rate as Westerners is ridiculous; it's like purposely getting a headstart in a race, and then looking at the guy behind you like "Haha, you're so slow!"
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by ACCOUNT CLOSED on July 20th, 2009
http://atheism.about.com/od/reconstructionist/p/Reconstructions.htm
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http://www.religioustolerance.org/reconstr.htm
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http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v08n1/chrisre1.html
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Reconstructionism
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by xhepera on July 20th, 2009
Whether it can happen in the west or not remains to be seen. I personally doubt it but, hey, I've lived long enough to know there are no guarantees on anything. Least of all on fluid concepts like "freedom" or "liberty."
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If these peoples' plan doesn't sound like those of a western taliban I don't know what does. And the fact that "Christians have had plenty of time to modernize" should point these folks up as being even more shameful in their desire to suppress freedom since they should know better, and they haven't the excuse of having lived in cultures where autocratic rule is an ancient norm.
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by xhepera on July 20th, 2009
xehepera, Don't believe everything on the internet. There is a movement for every idea in the world. If you listen to all of them you will go insane.
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by Mikelbf2000 on July 20th, 2009
Hey Mike, thanks for the kind words of concern. :)
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I'm approaching 60 years of age. And while it's true, as my great-grandmother used to say, that "There ain't no fool like an old fool," I can assure you that my research on religious issues is not limited to the internet. I provided those links as a "courtesy" to anyone who might be interested in reading on the subject. And, of course, to point out that I'm not simply talking out of my rear end. ;)
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by xhepera on July 20th, 2009
I know your not talking out of your rear end. I just dont think anyone will let such a thing happen. The ones who want that are a small insignifigant group of people. Do you know how much money people make off of music, sexuality, and alot of other things the taliban forbids? This country is not going to fall to a Taliban like regime. There will be a brutal cival war if it did. Well maybe not so brutal since more people will oppose such a regime and crush it before it took off.
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by Mikelbf2000 on July 20th, 2009
Well, you see, you and I are in agreement. I also don't think that it will happen here. Frankly I really don't think that it can, given the diversity and plurality of our society. But I also think that it pays to be vigilant. And I never put aything past humanity. ;)
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by xhepera on July 20th, 2009
I agree 100%
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by Mikelbf2000 on July 20th, 2009

Ha! Seemed that way to me. :)
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by Jim in a Nautilus COAT on July 15th, 2009
Oh come on! lol, not fair skidoo. The Bible never said we were free from worring about lightning
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by Mikelbf2000 on July 19th, 2009
I think most Christians feel that prayer should take up where adequate preparation can no longer take you. :)
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by Jim in a Nautilus COAT on July 19th, 2009
It was meant tongue in cheek. But you've heard the expression about there being no atheists in a foxhole? I find it amusing that many (most) religious people live life *as if* god wasn't there and/or didn't intervene. Such as this case shows.
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I know there are a few people who refuse medical treatment in factor of prayer - and they tend to die at rate so much higher than the general population that most western countries have made it illegal for such people to refuse treatment for underage children.
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Just my observation... :-)
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by 23Skidoo on July 20th, 2009
Being a christian doesn free you from taking care of yourself. You need lightning rods on your buildings (even churches) and you need medical treatment if something happens, even if your the Pope.
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by Mikelbf2000 on July 20th, 2009
True enough :-)
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by 23Skidoo on July 20th, 2009
Yep. I don't see the Bible teaching to be careless. I took it as tongue and cheek humor, 23Skidoo. And that's how I meant the question. But I don't want to demean our friends of faith unfairly.
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by Jim in a Nautilus COAT on July 20th, 2009
Unfairly? Never :-)
I wouldn't expect anyone of intelligence to go overboard with faith either. I'm sure the most devout buy food and all.
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by 23Skidoo on July 20th, 2009
:) OK, point taken.
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by Jim in a Nautilus COAT on July 20th, 2009

Ha! Tempting target!
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by Jim in a Nautilus COAT on July 15th, 2009
OMG! PRIME answer! roflmao!!! +
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by xhepera on July 19th, 2009
LMAO
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by Dreamlight on July 19th, 2009
Thank you all. :D
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by Phil in the Blank...backandtotheleft on July 19th, 2009

As the Pope learned today when he fell in the mountains and broke his wrist. :)
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by Jim in a Nautilus COAT on July 17th, 2009
Ouch!
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by Dr_Dredd on July 17th, 2009
It was never said that if you are a christian that you wont get struck by lightning or break your wrist lol.
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by Mikelbf2000 on July 19th, 2009

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