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by Shepherd Project Ministries on July 11th, 2009
Depends on what you mean by "heaven". The original Greek and Hebrew words translate literally as "heavens" and are always plural. However, these words have a range of meanings, three of which are most common:
1. Physical space (i.e. that area of the universe not on earth
2. The realm of spiritual activity (essentially a dimension distinct from the physical universe..For example, Eph. 6:2 speaks of evil spiritual forces in the "heavenly realms"...the original Greek word here is precisely the same word that is often translated "heaven" in the Bible. English translations often prefer "heavenly realms" to avoid confusion.) This category covers the activity of both angels and demons. Both are said to be "heavenly forces" which is essentially a euphemism for "spiritual forces".
3. The realm of God's presence which is a subcategory of #2 above. This is sometimes distinguished further, as in 2Co. 12:2 when Paul speaks of the "third heaven".
So, is there a war in the "heavens"? Certainly "yes" if you mean category two, but "no" if you mean category 3. Evil spiritual forces continue to war against angels and against humans and they operate in the spiritual realm known as the "heavens". But they do not war with God directly.
by Reapz on July 11th, 2009
What an oxymoron that statement is! Heaven and hell aren't real places, they are merely a state of mind.
by Timjon on August 13th, 2009
Not in heaven. The devil and his angels were cast out of heaven.
by thatsJustme on July 11th, 2009
no....satans roaming the earth...doing war with all 'good'....he has no power or kingdom in heaven ...earth is his kingdom for now....til 'shiloh' comes.....
by smashes with hammers on July 11th, 2009
There is no war "in" heaven but the war between heaven and hell still rages on here on earth,if you follow the bible.If not then " good vs evil" is an eternal conflict
by Weird Science on November 17th, 2009
Not likely that there ever was one or even a heaven at that.
by Anoname on September 1st, 2009
Satan and his demons are not warring in Heaven at present. They were cast down to the Earth at the fall of man. Demons and satan are still permitted to go into Heaven for an audience with God from time to time but they haven't attempted to physically overthrow God's Heaven as of yet. The war in Heaven takes place during the Tribulation period. That is when satan and his army makes thier attempt to take over the Heavenly realm. For now they are still prepareing for that war and trying to keep as many people as possible from going to Heaven to fight on God's side. God, being the creator and master of time, has already seen satans future defeat. Satan is determined to change the prophesied outcome but will ultimately fail just as God said he would. The current battleground is here on Earth for the souls of men.
by Holiday on August 13th, 2009
Deni...regarding your comment to the Sheriff, the book of Job Ch 1 and Ch 2 speaks of Satan in Gods presence. As for your Q - The Creator literally ousted Satan and his followers from heaven, restricting his living quarters to the vicinity of the earth. This occurred about 3500 years after Jobs account ...in 1914. Yes...Satan still hates God, the human race, and this planet that He created, and he is doing everything in his power [including the use of 'false' religion] to try and destroy this creation. [Hence the comment after Rev. 12: 7-9, at vs 12.] Satan and his demon followers are serial killers and know the death penalty for their behavior is very close. This is the root of the planets woe's. Gen. 3:15
Also I revised my "Mormon" Q for you, if you're interested
by Sheriff Raff -Answerhag on July 11th, 2009
When the rebelious angel known as Satan and his cohorts were expelled in 1914, it has been peaceful for almost 100 years.
by LarryH54 on July 11th, 2009
It was during the Old Testament. At one point, an angel trying to get to Daniel took months getting there because he was being attacked along the way. But Jesus defeated Satan at the Cross. All that's left now is basically a mop-up operation.
by IntotheForge on July 11th, 2009
We are creatures built of and for war. All that becomes of us and becomes by us goes with war's shadow. It is eternal.
by Moongrim on July 11th, 2009
I think it's less of a war than it is a reorganization.
by plocrates on August 16th, 2009
If it is going on in your mind , then yes.If you are at peace with what you believe and happy with and what you are, then that's where heaven is.
by AndyP on December 3rd, 2009
Didnt the war end when Lucifer was cast out. I am sure the effects still continue.
by Mike1010 on February 2nd, 2011
No, not right now. The Bible says, once Jesus accened to Heaven, 40 days after God raised him (Jesus) from the dead, then war broke out in Heaven and Satan and his Demons were cast out into the vicinity of the earth haveing great anger as Satan knows, his time is short, -------INTO THE VICINITY OF THE EARTH, KNOWING HIS TIME, (SATANs TIME) IS SHORT.
by Mr.Troll_has_a_COAT! on December 3rd, 2009
If it wasn't then there wouldn't be war on earth either
by Frankleescarlett on September 1st, 2009
My dear Brother, I have to ask you to forgive me for my previous posts. I was a foolish arguer. Jesus has done a work in me that only He can explain. He has opened His word to me with a much greater understanding and He has given me the wisdom that I was asking him for every day when I was writing to you before. No boasting, no insults, no motives, I just want to serve Him and tell you that I love you because of what He has done for me. In Christ Jesus, his servant, Jeff. P.S. I do go to church again now but where isn't what matters, what does is who goes with me. Jesus does now. Bless You.
If God is love why do some of His 'true believers' hate? Are they just pretending they believe because it is hate that motivates?
by RosieGHM Jetpacker on January 26th, 2012
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Is the rest of the Universe this Stupid????
by God on January 27th, 2012
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How is it coherent to say, on the one hand, that God has a divine plan, and on the other, to claim that we each have free will?
by mumpsimus on January 31st, 2012
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If God is merciful and forgives us of our sins, then what incentive is there for us to resist sin, so long as we repent afterwards?
by mumpsimus on January 24th, 2012
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Do you feel that "God" has a plan for your life? If so, do you feel that you know what that plan is?
by AnonymousGirl on January 31st, 2012
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by denidowi on July 11th, 2009
Perhaps I can buff that up a bit.
1)Heavens...the "spiritual" realm,[or where the Creator resides].
2)Heavens...the entire "physical" realm. The cosmos.
3)Heavens...within our atmosphere. Where 'birds' fly. Very often this word "shamayim" is translated into the English word as "Sky". Psalm 8:8
by Holiday on August 13th, 2009
After your mess of LDS doctrine earlier, Holiday, I think you'd best take a holiday on this oneLOL!
Shepherd PM, I must admit, I'm a little hesitant to pass No. 2, as it relates here.
But I suspect now that Satan is cast from Heaven, he wants to carry on his work in the general realms of 'the spiritual' - though I am a little lax on naming his place, 'heaven', Under ANY definition.
by denidowi on August 14th, 2009
Deni...my explanation of LDS teaching was crystal clear. If I need to simplify it for...'you', just tell me what you cannot grasp and what confuses you. If what I said was too deep...please tell me. I will use smaller words.
by Holiday on August 14th, 2009
Far more, I believe, Holiday, that your view of Mormonism was simply Grossly incorrect!!
Nothing I couldn't grasp - more, obviously something about it YOU had not grasped!LOL
What a Laugh, for instance ... your claim that original sin meant having sex and having Children, when Mormons have more of 'em than the vast majorityLOL!
Also, LDS believe in the very opening words of God to Man:
"Be fruitful and Multiply" ;)
by denidowi on August 15th, 2009
[Are you the 'answer bag' saviour?] Sorry.......your explanation is Very lame!
The LDS do NOT believe in "Be fruitful and Multiply" as a "blessing"! The LDS believe that Adam and Eve having children was a death sentance to "physical" man. Do you deny this??
by Holiday on August 16th, 2009
That's right deni, you cannot!!! LDS believe that Adam and Eve, "deciding to have children"... is what caused mankind to loose everlasting life. The "Bible" claims it was Adam and Eve's disobedience! Therefore, the teachings of the "Mormon books" don't harmonize with the teaching of the Bible.
BUT...LDS are 'persuaded' that this concept of later 'writings' over-ride the Bible, is acceptable... to the same tune as the Muslims, believing their Que'ran over-rides the Bible. Both believe they "know" the Bibles teaching..yet when a discussion develops...both have obtuse understandings.
by Holiday on August 17th, 2009
denidowi, regarding your hesitancy about passing my #2, that "heaven" can refer to the realm of spiritual activity, including that of Satan...I fully understand and relate to your reserve. However, it's an unavoidable fact that the Bible uses the word "heavens" (ouranos) for precisely this sort of thing. Gal. 1:8, Eph. 2:10, Eph. 6:12, et.al. are examples of this usage.
However, I agree that the common conception of the English word "heaven" is such that using the term this way will often generate unnecessary confusion, which is why most English translations use a phrase like "heavenly places" or something like that to translate the word ouranos when evil spirits are in view.
by Shepherd Project Ministries on August 18th, 2009
Of course I deny it, Holiday.
It is the most incorrect interpretation I've ever heard re LDS doctrine.
It is in fact, in Total opposition to the reality re Mormon Doctrine and belief.
Having been one over 40 years, I can certainly tell you.
I'd say, Next time you go on a Holiday, be sure to take your reading glasses and a copy of the book, "Mormon Doctrine" with youLOL!!! ;)
by denidowi on August 18th, 2009
Shepherd, you're possibly right there ... only it does really seem out of place re reality to me.
by denidowi on August 18th, 2009
I agree. The way we use the word "heaven" today virtually requires that we not include evil spirits as operating in the "heavens".
by Shepherd Project Ministries on August 19th, 2009
Certainly so, shepherd :)
by denidowi on August 19th, 2009
"LDS believe that Adam and Eve, "deciding to have children"... is what caused mankind to loose everlasting life"
LDS believe that partaking of the forbidden fruit is what brought on mortality, and they believe that mortality brought about the ability to have children (which is deffinately a very very good thing)
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"The LDS do NOT believe in "Be fruitful and Multiply" as a "blessing"!"
Have you ever met a Mormon? Like ever? We believe that families and children are the greatest blessing in life and the goal of eternity.
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If you disagree with LDS doctrine that is certainly your right, but please don't make up weird doctrine and say it is LDS, infact please don't make up rational doctrine and say it is LDS. When you criticize us would you please criticize US. There are plenty of things we do believe that are unique (like the three degrees of glory) and plenty of common beliefs that we reject (like the Trinity) without having to twist our doctrines.
by John Cox on November 30th, 2009