Gay marriage, yes or no?

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• Did you see that in NY yesterday Pataki made reference to the 1,342 rights that are different between "civil unions" and marriage?

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  by Wide Awake @ has closing date woo hoo on May 18th, 2009

• yeah I saw that , thats why I believe that ALL marriages whether straight or gay should have the same rights all the way down the line. What some want to do is push the civil union thing so that Gay's will still be looked upon as second class .. their life style and their marriage and everything else.

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  by buxtonite ..slowly losing my mind on May 18th, 2009

• Yes Sir, I concur! Equality means nothing more and nothing less than the happy straight normal folks(aside from the 50% divorce failure rate). The "norm" ain't no benchmark for happier gays to follow. Happier married gays need to set a good example for normal infidels ;)

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  by LEO on July 30th, 2011

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• Hahaha nice answer!

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  by Buddy Boy on May 27th, 2009

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• Heh:) I like your attitude. It's different and refreshing. Don't lose that!

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  by Buddy Boy on May 27th, 2009

• thanx, I think....
  I appreciate the unique response to my views on marriage.

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  by prude on May 29th, 2009

• Is it a losing game..love?

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  by LEO on July 30th, 2011

• good q to post, ask it for a pool of answers on the main qline.

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  by prude on July 30th, 2011

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• great minds think alike :)

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  by Wide Awake @ has closing date woo hoo on May 18th, 2009

• ty
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  I'm sorry about your recent loss.

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  by Factotum on October 17th, 2009

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• why do you say no to marriage but yes to a civil union?

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  by Anonymous on October 17th, 2009

• many ppl have a problem with the word marrige being used.
  I have followed the issue from the start, since the 1980's on Arsenio Hall
  And the arguement started with Gay's not having the same perks of mairred couples.
  I think the situation would change if it was a civil union was used. There wouldn't be as much resistance to the idea of 'gay marrige'
  No piece of paper can define the love one person has for someone else. If someone needs to be 'married' to be in a commited relationship or to quantify their love, they shouldn't be together regardless of orientation.
  So I don't see the problem with the same recognition of a marrige or a legal union.
  As long as insurance companies discounts, health benefits, etc would apply to civil unions, in the same way that they would a marrige

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  by qwerty on October 17th, 2009

• My second marriage was performed by a Justice of the Peace and was made legal by the state. Wasn't that a civil union? I think what I am asking is what is the difference?

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  by mother earth on November 2nd, 2009

• this is an old comment thread I see... however I just added my answer and as I read through these comments I thought my answer would go well with this thread. See my answer if you like.

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  by CatholicWoman on July 30th, 2011

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• Why?

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  by Rude Bear Ready for Winter on May 21st, 2009

• Why not? Marriage is an institution of religion and being gay is against what they believe. Why can't they just live with a civil union?

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  by Sodahead on May 21st, 2009

• Marriage is a civil contract between two consenting adults and recognized by the state. This is evident because one can be married by a judge, a justice of the peace, a ships captain... No church necessary.
  
  Through marriage, the state bestows over 1300 rights to a married couple denied to a couple in a civil union.
  
  I'm not asking for a church wedding.. just a marriage license.

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  by Rude Bear Ready for Winter on May 21st, 2009

• Your problem is that the gay community is trying to shove it in the face of the Christians. What if they gave a civil union the same rights as a marriage, would you be content? I doubt it. I often wonder if gays think that if they are allowed to get married they will finally be accepted, I don't see that ever happening as long as they want to offend every Christian in the world.

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  by Sodahead on May 21st, 2009

• Again. I'm not asking for a church wedding. I don't care if the catholics accept me or not. Just give me the same treatment as everyone else.
  Your problem is that you think that your religion gives you the right to tell others what to do.
  And no. The same rights but with a special title won't cut it. Separate but equal is NEVER equal.
  Me thinks the catholics protest to much.

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  by Rude Bear Ready for Winter on May 21st, 2009

• No, I'm not a religious person and I'm not telling you what to do at all. The way I see it the gay community is telling the religious community how they should think.
  Honestly I I'll all for what ever you want as long as you don't throw it in my face. It's all good.

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  by Sodahead on May 21st, 2009

• And again (for the third time) I'm saying I don't want/need/desire a church wedding. I'm Not telling anyone what they should think or feel. I'm asking for the same rights as everyone else.
  
  It is unjust for the government to bestow a right or privileged to one group or individual and deny them to another group or individual without showing just cause. Show me the just cause... And please don't bring up religion again. We do not live in a theocracy.

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  by Rude Bear Ready for Winter on May 21st, 2009

• Believe it or not marriage was created by religion. Just push for a Civil Union and everything will be fine. Why if all the right would be the same can you not accept a Civil Union? I still don't get that.

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  by Sodahead on May 21st, 2009

• I do not believe marriage was created by a religion. I accept that it is part of MANY religions, some of which have no problems with gay marriage. And For the Nth time. I don't care if a church recognizes it or not. The church is not required for a marriage. It is a LEGAL CONTRACT recognized by the state. That's the important part.
  And a Civil Union is marginalizing. You are not the same as US. We concede through our benign generosity to give you this which makes you (almost) as valid as US.
  
  Allow me to reverse: If you Don't care what Gay people do, and we are happy to be married in the town hall basement by a JP, with only a small announcement in the back of the local penny saver with a small gathering of our closest friends where no alcohol would be served and everyone is gone by 7 PM would you then concede to allow us to reffed to ourselves (in hushed tones) as married?

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  by Rude Bear Ready for Winter on May 21st, 2009

• Ah so I was right when I said if gays get to marry they think that they will be accepted. Sorry, but they won't when they have to step on everyone else's beliefs just to get there. Thanks for a good debate. You brought up some good points.

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  by Sodahead on May 21st, 2009

• Um.. Your mistake is this: I don't ask to be accepted. I don't speak for others but I don't need your approval or acceptance or tolerance or any other means of patronizing behavior. I don't need the support of other's beliefs. I want what I'm owed. A Basic human right. The same as everyone else. You have yet to show just cause to deny marriage rights to gays. To deny these rights without cause is unjust and wrong.
  The point is not why I'm asking for them... the question is why are you denying them.

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  by Rude Bear Ready for Winter on May 21st, 2009

• @RudeBear- you are gay?
  ok, go and get married, just invite me ok?
  I promise to bring a decent wedding gift if you promise to have champaign and strawberries w/chocolate fondue at your wedding:)

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  by prude on May 29th, 2009

• Payton Parker. You do know its no "everyone else's beliefs" right? in fact I am an athesit so is my wife, most of my friends, and a good percentage of my family. I also know many Pagans and Pastafarians and many other beliefs that don't have a problem with gay people.

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  by Anonymous on October 17th, 2009

• Payton, you seem to be laboring under the misconception that marriage is a religious institution. Marriage was around as a civil contract long before there even were any Christians. It wasn't until the 7th century C.E. that the Church claimed marriage as a religious function, much the same way that they absorbed the pagan holidays and changed the day of the sabbath.

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  by branciforte3241 on November 2nd, 2009

• So then why do gays want to hijack the word Marriage so badly?

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  by Sodahead on November 5th, 2009

• Probably for the same reason that activist judges hijacked the word in the 1960's when they overturned anti-miscegenation laws and allowed 'marriage' between people of different races. Probably for the same reason that society trampled religious people's beliefs when they changed the definition of 'marriage' from the traditional Biblical meaning of "one man and as many wives as he can afford".

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  by branciforte3241 on November 5th, 2009

• LOL...Wow I didn't see that coming. And they say Christians are crazy. LOL

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  by Sodahead on November 5th, 2009

• Did I say something funny?

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  by branciforte3241 on November 6th, 2009

• @branciforte3241, truth can often be funny:)

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  by prude on November 6th, 2009

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• Why?

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  by Rude Bear Ready for Winter on May 21st, 2009

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