• Foolishly.
  • Here are a few pertinent quotations on science and reason vs. faith and belief: ● "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." -Benjamin Franklin ● Faith is allowing yourself to believe something your intellect would reject--otherwise, there's no need for faith. ● He who arrives at a conclusion by faith cannot be moved by reason. ● "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ They explain why a believer will never be convinced to trust his own reason when it tells him his Bible is wrong. :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  • People are actually quite adept at believing two completely contradictory things - and not only in the field of religion. Politicians can make contradictory promises ("I will lower taxes and increase benefits") and mean them quite sincerely. People will apply one rule to their own behaviour and another to those they dislike, and not see the contradiction. We are much less rational than we like to think we are.
  • Being possessed of an intellect is tough isn't it? There isn't anything that I can tell you, even though I've been around a long time, and heard numerous discussions regarding these issues. Your question is not new; it's been going on since the beginning of self-awareness and the discovery of the seemingly dual nature of the physical world. I would suggest, rather than to try to determine the right and wrong of positions, but to focus on the goal. A student of geometry might say, that if there is a common goal, a singular point... all lines conjoin there.
  • Never underestimate the human ability to deceive oneself. G.I.G.O.
  • Well, you see, we KNOW that the bible is 100% accurate. How do we know? The bible says so!!! (Just kidding, by the way. there are an awful lot of people on AB who don't understand sarcasm)
  • The Christian bible is sort of a big book of laws for Christians, but this book of laws, you see, is so obscure, that any Catholic or Christian can twist the words around to their own benifit, I.E: witchcraft in the dark ages. When factual science and religious staples come to conflict however, it is always the bible that wins FIRST, because if attempted assasination fails, THEN people turn to science.
  • Facts are facts and faith is faith. They don't mix well.
  • Hello 23, science is in the hands of it's beholder (s) and ought to be looked at morally first before these amazing breakthroughs continue. "Just because we can, should we?" as a motto. Just because I can make 10 clones of you, is that a GOOD idea? Just because I can implant a 5th and 6th limb for this person over here, is THAT ok? Just because Dr. So and So built a car model that will read your thoughts before they actually occur, is THAT good science? The Bible needs to be the Authoritive moral compass for this stuff. We can choose the cause, but we cannot necessarily predict the effects.
  • Considering that God can control, suspend, or alter anything, science, or the lack of it, remains in his control.
  • There are so many straw men in your question that I hardly know where to begin. First of all, all Christians are not the same. Some are actually Phd scientific researchers and some can barely read. You cannot lump all Christians together. Secondly, many Christians do not doubt the success of the scientific method at all. Many of us know that science is a very good servant, although it can be a very bad master. Thirdly, one of the limitations of science is that it can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God. Fourthly, very little of the Bible can actually be construed to have anything to do with science. That is kinda like wondering how anyone can believe in the law and science. The two have little to do with one another. The little bit of the Bible that can actually be compared to science can be explained pretty easily. If there is a God, and He can do miracles (if someone can create the universe and can create physics, why can't He suspend physics) then imagine the effect if He showed some prehistoric shepherd how He did it. Imagine you had been camping on marginal, almost desert terrain, pasturing sheep some 7,000 years ago and someone showed you a vision of the creation of the universe. What words would you use to describe it? You might see the whole thing quite clearly, but you wouldn't have a modern scientific vocabulary to describe what you saw, so modern science wouldn't have much trouble making fun of it, especially if they didn't look at it too closely.
  • My computer used to run very slowly sometimes, so I went to see the preacher man. Lo and behold, he couldn't find anything in the OT or the NT that came close to suggesting that I add RAM chips to increase the speed. Instead, I took it to a secular non-deity named Dave and now it runs fine! :P
  • The scientific method is just our way of understanding the complexities of God's creation. I don't know about anybody else, but science helps me to better understand God. I have never read anything in the Bible that is in conflict with science. We have not yet discovered all of the mysteries of the universe with science, so I do not see how anybody could possibly use science to write off the existence of God. Anybody who pays even scant attention to the news will notice how often articles are written about something we thought we knew through previous science (diseases, diets, the human body, drugs, nutrition, the universe, etc) being changed or disproved by current science. I don't know how anybody can put their faith in science over God. Science has been known to disappoint.
  • Hypocrisy. It's all hypocrisy. They will come up with a million and one excuses and/or explanations as to why that is perfectly ok and their god wants them to do it. The same can be argued of insurance, why have it if their god will always take care of them? Doesn't that show a lack of faith on the part of the oh so faithful?

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