Part 1
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. " Gal 1:8
Since Paul is warning Christians here not to preach another Gospel, what is the FIRST point he brings up as an example of the correct Gospel?
He brings up that the correct Gospel is NOT given out and taught by Seminaries and educated men, but by prophets who get it from the LORD. Notice what he says:
"For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the REVELATION of Jesus Christ." Gal. 1:12
So, the true Gospel is taught under the direction of men who receive revelation, or it is NOT the true Gospel. This is the first and main point Paul brings out here in Galatians.
Many ASSUME that the men trained in some religious seminary somewhere, studying the Bible in their great wisdom, obviously have the true Gospel-- when in fact, they obviously do NOT have the true Gospel. Since there are dozens of such seminaries which teach conflicting versions of the Gospel, all claiming the Bible as their source, it is obvious that continuing revelation is needed, and always has been needed, by the sincere followers of Christ.
No wonder Paul makes this his first and main point to distinguish the true Gospel.
Part 2
"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Rev. 22:18-19
Read the above warning carefully. Does it say ANYTHING about what GOD can or cannot do, or will or will not do?
No. It warns "every MAN" (and woMAN) to not add or take from the words that God has given. An almost identical warning is in Deut. 4:2. But it says nothing about whether God can or will call a prophet of Israel to bring forth more of His words. Yet the calling of Prophets is according to His ancient pattern in all generations of former Israel before it fell.
So this Bible verse in no way shape or form can be used as a "proof" that modern revelation cannot come forth. Men simply ASSUME that these verses say that the God is setting conditions on Himself, declaring that He will never call a Prophet again-- but clearly that is NOT what these verses say.
In fact those who try to use this scripture to teach against any modern revelation are actually ADDING to these verses, doing the very thing these verses warn against!
Part 3
On the other hand, notice this clear promise from Jesus, the evening before his final mortal day, that through the Holy Ghost MANY more things will be revealed to his disciples-- until they have ALL TRUTH.
John 16
12 I have yet MANY THINGS to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them
now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you
into ALL TRUTH: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever
he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to
come.
Notice that the Spirit of Truth, or the Holy Ghost, is the same source that gave the former Prophets of Israel the Bible revelations:
2 Peter 1
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any
private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but
holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
So the Bible actually predicts more word of the LORD scriptures, not an end of it.
Comments
Very telling... What is Mormon test for determining if a revelation is from God or not?
by pacella23 on April 22nd, 2005
There is NO end to Gods WORD!
by Anonymous on November 9th, 2005
Very good post!
What is Mormon test for determining if revelation is from God or not? It is called revelation from the Holy Ghost. If it is from God, He will let you know by the Holy Ghost. You do not have to take anyone else's word for it, the Lord will let you know. whew4
by whew4 on March 16th, 2009
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Yes, indeed a GREAT answer if spewing LdS Dogma as fact is "great". The reader will notice that the only hands clapping and voices praising this wrong headed answer are all LdS.
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However since the LdS doctrine is a corrupted reinterpretation of Pentecostal Doctrine regarding prophecy.
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The key difference is that in Charismatic Theology any "prophecy" that contradicts the Bible is judged "false" and discarded. In LdS Theology this isn't the case.
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Joseph Smith contradicted the Bible relentlessly and his "prophecies" are accepted as "inspired" by Mormons.
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by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on July 16th, 2009
Did Joseph Smith contradict the Bible, or did he just contradict YOUR Pentecostal interpretation of the Bible? There is a big difference my friend!
by whew4 on August 19th, 2009
> Did Joseph Smith contradict the Bible, or did he just contradict YOUR Pentecostal interpretation of the Bible? <
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Clearly Joseph Smith contradicted the Bible or ever:
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1) He would have felt no need to "retranslate" it (via the Joseph Smith Translation) so that the retranslation didn't contract him.
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2) The contradictions wouldn't have been pointed out by Biblical Christians since the Book of Mormon was published in 1830.
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So, no, Smith didn't just contradict MY interpretation of the Bible he CLEARLY contradicted THE Bible, period.
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And if you ever unsnap and can read the Bible with your Mormon Sunglasses off you will see that the contradictions are apparent.
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And your comment exposes the fact that you know NOTHING about Pentecostal Theology in regard to prophetic utterances.
by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on August 19th, 2009
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The fact is the Bible is an inanimate object which can neither speak or teach anything. Therefore a person must read and interpret those words correctly, if they are to be understood as they were intended. Just look around you, of the 40,000 different Churches in the world today, exactly how many of them understand the bible in exactly the same way? No two Churches agree completely on everything! Why? Is it God's fault, or did men get hold of His words and mix and remove a few of their own things, in the process of copying those ancient records? If you really think it is possible for anyone to just read the Bible and understand it exactly the same, think again...Later
by whew4 on September 28th, 2009
Whew, I'm going to START with the same friendly reminder: PARAGRAPH!
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Next, if you weren't so brainwashed by LDS dogma you would see how the evidence discredits your WHOLE answer.
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"There are presently 5,686 Greek manuscripts in existence today for the New Testament.1 If we were to compare the number of New Testament manuscripts to other ancient writings, we find that the New Testament manuscripts far outweigh the others in quantity.
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As you can see, there are thousands more New Testament Greek manuscripts than any other ancient writing. The internal consistency of the New Testament documents is about 99.5% textually pure. That is an amazing accuracy. In addition there are over 19,000 in copies in the Syriac, Latin, Coptic, and Aramaic languages. The total supporting New Testament manuscript base is over 24,000.
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by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on September 28th, 2009
Almost all biblical scholars agree that the New Testament documents were all written before the close of the First Century. If Jesus was crucified in 30 A.D., then that means that the entire New Testament was completed within 70 years. This is important because it means there were plenty of people around when the New Testament documents were penned who could have contested the writings. In other words, those who wrote the documents knew that if they were inaccurate, plenty of people would have pointed it out. But, we have absolutely no ancient documents contemporary with the First Century that contest the New Testament texts.
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Furthermore, another important aspect of this discussion is the fact that we have a fragment of the gospel of John that dates back to around 29 years from the original writing. This is extremely close to the original writing date. This is simply unheard of in any other ancient writing and it demonstrates that the Gospel of John is a First Century document.
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by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on September 28th, 2009
If the critics of the Bible dismiss the New Testament as reliable information, then they must also dismiss the reliability of the writings of Plato, Aristotle, Caesar, Homer, and the other authors mentioned in the chart at the beginning of the paper. On the other hand, if the critics acknowledge the historicity and writings of those other individuals, then they must also retain the historicity and writings of the New Testament authors; after all, the evidence for the New Testament's reliability is far greater than the others. The Christian has substantially superior criteria for affirming the New Testament documents than he does for any other ancient writing. It is good evidence on which to base the trust in the reliability of the New Testament."
http://www.carm.org/questions/about-bible/manuscript-evidence-superior-new-testament-reliability
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And Whew the OLDEST and the NEWEST manuscripts - like the Dead Sea Scrolls proved with the Old Testament - are remarkably consistent.
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So the textual "corruption" of the Bible that LdS tout so loudly is suspect at best.
by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on September 28th, 2009
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Next . . .
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>The fact is the Bible is an inanimate object which can neither speak or teach anything<
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And that inanimate object is, as it says about itself:
"Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."
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And that "inanimate object" has spoken to men throughout the ages in that quick, powerful, sharp manner.
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Further, your argument is based on the assumption that Christians don't believe in and have a relationship with the Holy Spirit. Well I hate to break the news to you Whew but the LdS Church hasn't "cornered the market" on the work and ministry of the Holy Spirit.
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We believe in and rely on the Holy Spirit as much as any LdS. And like LdS we depend on Him to lead us into all truth. However . . .
by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on September 28th, 2009
unlike LdS we do NOT equate feelings with the Holy Spirit. Rather we subject our feelings TO the Bible for we know that any subjective revelation that we receive from the Holy Spirit MUST be consistent with the unchanging absolute truth of the Bible.
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And it is the Holy Spirit that breathes life into the "inanimate object" known as the Bible. Without the ministry of the Holy Spirit the Bible is just another book.
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> If you really think it is possible for anyone to just read the Bible and understand it exactly the same, think again <
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No I don't believe that. I believe the exact opposite in fact. However, that doesn't bespeak that the Bible is broken it bespeaks the fact that WE are broken, fallen sinners in need of the Holy Spirit as previously noted.
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And the fact of the matter is that we DO agree on the Essential Doctrines. As I have said so many times before:
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"In essentials unity.
In non-essentials liberty.
In all things charity."
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In order to be considered . . .
by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on September 28th, 2009
Biblically Orthodox one MUST be in unity with the Essential doctrines of the Christian Faith. Those essential doctrines are encapsulated in the Creeds - at least one of which was authored BY the Apostles.
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Now I didn't say that you have to BELIEVE in the creeds - or even consider them authoritative - but what you teach must be aligned with them for they were developed specifically as a protection AGAINST heretical error.
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And that is, of course, why Joseph Smith declared them "abominable": they threatened his authority.
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Finally, though I know that you won't do anything with it, I would add that just as the LdS perception of Christianity is flawed, so is what the LdS Church teaches about the Creeds.
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But that is another long post so I will stop with this:
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Whew you really don't know or understand mainstream Christianity at all. All you know is what the LdS Church has told you and it is WRONG!.
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Oh and . . . PARAGRAPH your posts please!
by Mister IT is trying to Liahona outta here on September 28th, 2009
Part 1: hog wash
Part b: hog wash
and letter three: hog wash
by Joseph Smith was a fraud and Eisegete on November 16th, 2009