by raindancer on April 7th, 2009

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What are your thoughts on "violent" dog breeds and the bans against them?

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by Over and Out on April 7th, 2009
If the pet owner is a responsible person who is able to control their dog at all times ... then they should be able to keep them.
However, the few who do not take that responsiblity seriously ruins it for the rest of them.
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  by Baccduckus is a Carbonproduct on April 7th, 2009
- Thanks!
  
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  by Over and Out on April 8th, 2009
- Yes, it is the bad apples that spoil the bunch. Can't we just put down the bad owner instead of their dogs?
  
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  by raindancer on April 9th, 2009
- I agree raindancer. I never blame the dog ... it's the owners who are to blame.
  
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  by Over and Out on April 9th, 2009
- I almost always blame the owners, although I ocassionally blame the "victim" as well. I have been guilty of trying to pet an unfamiliar dog and getting bit. Luckily, it was only about 6 lbs, but it did remind me why you have to use caution with animals you don't know. I didn't blame the dog, though. I was the one who put my hand out.
  
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  by raindancer on April 9th, 2009
- Very true Raindancer. We have to always be cautious with "strange" dogs.
  I was bitten very severely once when I was walking through our neighborhood. For some reason, this dog was loose and just came out after me! It was a horrendously scary experience. The dog owners were completely to blame for that ... luckily they were home and got their dog before he did more damage!!!
  The worst part was that they were so nonchalant about the whole thing!!! They accused me of "running" by thereby egging their dog on! I'm not a jogger and was just walking by!!
  
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  by Over and Out on April 10th, 2009
- Idiots! Even if you were running by (which you have every right to do), the dog shouldn't have been allowed to run loose, especially if it was not well trained to not bite. Now, if you were throwing rocks at it or something, I could understand their reaction. In your case, the owners were 100% at fault.
  
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  by raindancer on April 10th, 2009
- I agree ... it was really bad. Now I'm kind of paranoid every time I see loose dogs!
  
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  by Over and Out on April 10th, 2009
- At least you are among the sane who know that poorly behaved dogs are a refelection of the owner. Of course, so are dogs running loose.
  
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  by raindancer on April 10th, 2009
- :) !!
  
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by Pixie - jeg er elsket on April 7th, 2009
A dog is violet by how it is taught. To ban an entire breed for that is stupid.

The dog everyone has a negative image about, is pitbulls. These dogs naturally strive to please, I'd say more so than most others. And for owners to make these dogs fight for their lives to please them is sick.

People should take a competency test before fucking up a perfectly loving animal.
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- I agree. The competency test for dog owners is not a bad idea.
  
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by ShoulderPadQueen on June 19th, 2009
i think people make the dogs violent.
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- Yes, unfortunately they do. Sometimes it's because they don't know how to train them and sometimes they do it deliberately. Makes me sad and angry.
  
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  by raindancer on June 19th, 2009
- yes more times than not its done on purpose. the main ones are pit bulls and i like the breed and think they are very good lucking dogs. they can be good pets with a responsible owner as well. ;D +5
  
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  by ShoulderPadQueen on June 19th, 2009
- They can be very good pets. Glad to see we are of the same mind on this. :)
  
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  by raindancer on June 19th, 2009
- sure nuff. ;)
  
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by Whaleboy999 on April 7th, 2009
I think chihuahuas should be banned forever!!!! Just joking, I love dogs
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- Hehe. Chiweewees (as my sister calls them)can be quite ferocious.
  
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by TAPriceCTR s son is wearing his COAT on April 7th, 2009
if it is the breed itself which is instinctively violent then I can see banning them from parks and other social areas. however the breeds most known for violence (rotties and german sheapards) are not violent breeds, they are versitile with bad owners.
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- I think there is an inherent difference between Pit Bulls, Rottweilers and German Shepherds. All 3 are high on the list of dogs most likely to injure a human HOWEVER, while Pit Bull bites are most often incurred at private homes and on the street, German Shepherds and Rottweiler bites are primarily incurred by defense trained dogs such as police and military animals during the course of their jobs. These bites are controlled and under instruction. The statistics include ALL bites.
  
  That hardly seems fair. It doesn't seem fair to treat these "bites" the same.
  
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  by Lori K still ignores stalkers and trolls on April 7th, 2009
- I understand that if you subtract those with a genetic disorder (which good breeders watch out for) causing their sculls to be too small for their brains pitt bulls are not that bad.
  if your proposed flaw in the statistics is true then I agree with you, and I do not see it as hard to believe. stats are useful, however ppeople like to contaminate them to suit their agendas.
  I would wager lap dogs are probably the most prone to violence. the only dog ever to bite me was a shitzhu behaving like a stereotypical little dog (yapping). since there was a pack of 5 I was afraid I'd have to use deadly force to stop it, but he only did the one calf bite.
  
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  by TAPriceCTR s son is wearing his COAT on April 7th, 2009
- You are correct. Cocker spaniels are MOST likely to bite.
  
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  by Lori K still ignores stalkers and trolls on April 7th, 2009
- yet they have no such reputation. this shithead.... I mean shitzhu had been mauled by a german sheapard and the owners were certain it could not have been their angels fault. shitzhus are the reason people hate little dogs yet their owners have no concept as to why
  
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  by TAPriceCTR s son is wearing his COAT on April 7th, 2009
- The friend who brought this up to me doesn't really agree that any particular breed is inherantly violent. It's all a result of incompetant owners. Still, banning them from such areas until we can insure they are only in the hands of competant owners is far better than eradicating them.
  
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  by raindancer on April 9th, 2009
- That's an interesting point about the skewed bite statistics and the little dog issue, Lori.. It's not entirely surprising to me. My sister and I were out hanging flyers when we passed 2 loudly barking rotts. My sister thought I was going to get my arm taken off just by walking by, even though both dogs were on cords and behind a fence. She completely panicked when I, with extreme caution, proceeded to let them get the smell of me and gave them each a good pet (poor things were desperate for attention). A few days later, I came across a little barking dog corded to a stake in someone's yard. I leaned down to let it sniff my hand, but I dropped my guard enough that I didn't realize it wasn't quite at the end of it's cord. It took a small chuck out of my finger. My fault, of course, but still proof positive that you can't always judge a dog by it's size or it's reputation.
  
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  by raindancer on April 9th, 2009
- the inherent violence is in dogs without such reputations (I am speaking of real dog sized dogs, not little piaces of shitzhu) because they are uncommon enough to not be known by their personalities, and even they do not live up to the bogus reputation given to rotties. dalmations are not good family dogs because they are very impatient. chows will defend children with enough vigilance that a regular house guest is kept on a hypersensitive hair trigger. malimutes will kill livestock if left unattended (but love humans, even strangers). all these behaviors are weaker than the incorrect rott rep and can be trained out of most dogs.
  
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  by TAPriceCTR s son is wearing his COAT on April 9th, 2009
- Interesting. I learn new things about dogs everyday.:)
  
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  by raindancer on April 9th, 2009
- I liked in "over the hedge" the big scarry rottweiler was really just a big dope who wanted to play.
  
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  by TAPriceCTR s son is wearing his COAT on June 23rd, 2009
- Yeah. That Sounds exactly like our friend's old Rott. He had one heck of a nerve racking bark, but all he really wanted was love. You had to be careful, though, If you scratched him right above the tail, he wouldn't leave you alone. I'd find myself on my tiptoes straddling him because he wanted more scratches. I push him through, while I told him, "Ozzy, I'm too short to stand over you and too heavy to ride you. You can't stand there."
  
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  by raindancer on June 23rd, 2009
- LOL. I love to hear such stories. they just make me want one all the more. I just do not want the tail to be chopped. I like the tail
  
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  by TAPriceCTR s son is wearing his COAT on June 23rd, 2009
- Ozzy was docked, but they later got a bull mastif that wasn't. Oh boy, could that tail get you! that was another dog that didn't appear to have an agressive bone in her body (she was not too bright, however).
  
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  by raindancer on June 23rd, 2009
- yeah... their tails can be worse than their bark :)
  
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  by TAPriceCTR s son is wearing his COAT on June 24th, 2009
- :) Ah, what's a few welts among friends? :O
  
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by Tirador on April 7th, 2009
It's really an unfair load of shi+.

At the same time I do understand why they are banned... They are banned because people are irresponsible and neglectful - and allow these dogs to become problems... The bans aren't to protect people from these dogs the bans are to prevent ignorant people from raising a dog who could turn out to be a problem.

Look at the Rotweiller, for example. The rotweiller was bred to be a cart pulling dog, but, due to it's aloof nature, started being used for guard duty - which is fine - but this newfound duty called for a little more suspicious aggressiveness to be bred into the dog. This aggressiveness can be groomed by honing it through training, and it can also be groomed by allowing the dog to "rule the roost" and neglecting to discipline it.

I have had a few rots, and a very high quality German Shepherd (from Schutzhund III dogs going back 5 generations) - not really bred for companionship. My family raised, socialized, disciplined and loved each of these dogs. The dogs were raised with rules and treated firmly, but lovingly.

Not one of these dogs ever even managed to growl at a stranger - It was just never made to be their purpose at my house. They were great with the kids, and had great manners with the neighbors. The Shepherd actually pulled "lassie" crap all of the time. She jerked one of my boys off of a copperhead before he got bit, saved baby rabbits that the doe had tossed out of the pen by putting them in a coffee can and carrying them to the porch.... Vicious bitch.... :)

Any dog is capable of being mean - you just have to make sure they have a place in your family, and rules to stand on.
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- I agree. Irresponsible people (owners and, sometimes, "victims") are to blame for both the bad reputation and the bans.
  
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by Twista on June 23rd, 2009
The vicious pit bull
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- Ahhhhh! That is so sweet. My friend has a dog that looks very much like that one.
  
  Sorry, I missed your answer. I must have not gotten notification or checked on one and missed that there were others.
  
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by Twisted Taco on June 23rd, 2009
There's no such thing as 'violent dogs' - the problem lies with the humans that train them to be violent. So, ban & neuter the humans not the dogs!
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  by The Mess on June 23rd, 2009
- I'm with you. Any breed can be mean if it is not trained properly or deliberately trained to be so.
  
  Sorry I previously missed your answer. I must have accidentally cleared the notification without seeing some answers or not received a notification in the first place.
  
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by Redhawk on June 23rd, 2009
ALL DOGS BITE.

It is more a matter of what will or could cause a particular dog TO BITE, than what breed the dog is.

How people train and use dogs is what can cause a dog to be more likely to bite.

Some dogs are never pushed to the point where they believe they should bite someone.

Other dogs have had events in their lives that have taught them to bite first and run later!

Both Abuse and Neglect can add to a dog learning to bite.

Neglect includes not bothering to teach or train a dog to develop good manners.

Puppies start out not realizing much about the pain they can cause when they bite down. Those extra weeks with Mom and the siblings can do a lot to educate the puppy to these important facts as in most cases, if one nips too hard, one either gets nipped right back; or THE GAME ENDS ABRUPTLY! (7 TO 12 Weeks of age)

Since a lot of puppies are taken from their Mom and siblings at age 7 to 8 weeks, they miss out on this simple, important lesson and it is then up to the new human family to teach them that biting too hard (or at all) ENDS THE GAME...oops...no more fun for you for a while...about 5 minutes is all the time a puppy can even remember/associate what they did and what happened right afterwards!

Smaller or toy breeds suffer the most from a lack of training. People EXPECT to need to teach a big dog to be gentle, but they are woefully lacking in the understanding that their little dog is STILL A DOG and needs to learn good manners as much or more than a large, stoic breed.

So Lack of Training and abuse or encouragement of aggression are the problems...and HUMANS are responsible for BOTH.
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by Beavis - the other white meat on June 22nd, 2009
There are no violent dog breeds, just bad owners & untrained or poorly socialized dogs.
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by Galeanda on April 8th, 2009
I don't believe there are violent breeds. It's the owners that are at fault. Better to ban some people from ownership than breeds that are misused and abused.
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by discobod on June 23rd, 2009
90 percent of the time it is the OWNER of the dog which is dangerous NOT the dog.
but anyone who leaves a child alone with ANY breed of dog needs their heads checked.
my friend had a 15 year old labrador which never barked its whole life.
suddenly one day it bit my friends little cousins baby in the face for no reason.
the autopsy on the dog revealed a cyst on its brain.

no dog is ever 100% safe.

no owner can ever be trusted 100%
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- Excellent point! Common sense should be employed around animals. Something could happen to the animal (like your friend's dog) or the child may harm the animal (accidentally or intentionally) causing it to react in self-defense. That would be a good thing to include if there were mandatory owner training. Remind people what can happen when they get lax or allow common sense to fall to the wayside.
  
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  by raindancer on June 23rd, 2009
- common sense is a tradition fast disappearing
  
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  by discobod on July 4th, 2009
- Very, very true.
  
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by mustluvpitbulls on June 23rd, 2009
I guess you can figure out how I feel just by looking at my user name. Bans on breeds only affect law abiding citizens whose dogs are not problem dogs to begin with. BTW-the very first pitbull I met, named Nipper, attacked me. I was working at a boarding kennel where this dog was being kept as his owner was homeless at the time. I was letting the dog in for the night. I was in the cage with the dog (the facility used those large chain link kennels with a large chain link door,concrete floors and a concrete wall keeping the dog from going outside. The wall had a small door in it that had to be lifted up for the dog to go in or out). I looked at him, and I noticed that he was crouched down, ready to pounce on me. I was too far from the door to exit the cage, so I braced myself for the attack-I had my back against one of the walls, my feet shoulder width apart, and my left arm in front of my neck. The dog pounced, and his mouth was open to bite me, but he was quite stunned to hit my arm, not my neck. I hit the dog with my right hand as he hit my left arm with his teeth. He fell back to the floor, and I had enough time to exit the cage. About a week or so later, the kennel became the temporary home of another pitbull that the town had seized. We had Pup Pup with us for 8 months until her owner got her back, and she was the best dog I had ever met.
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- I must agree with you opinions on the the bans. They don't really affect those who train their dogs to be mean. thank you for sharing your stories with us.
  
  Sorry I missed your answer before. There seems to be a few that I didn't catch.
  
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by Seeya says Dont Ever Give Up on June 23rd, 2009
Since I reside in a county that bans Pitbulls. I believe it has failed to achieve what it set out to do, as it has been skirted often. The dog breed is not the problem, the owner is! My solution is if the dog has to be put down for aggrasive behaviour the owner should serve out the the time that the dog could have expected to live in jail or reporting probation. Then these bredder and dog fighters and promoters would decide it is not worth it! the same goes for cock fighting. Both the gamblers and the promoters should do the time and lose what is deemed as contraband gain.
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- Excellent answer, Seeya.
  
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- thanks Spice
  
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by The Mess on June 23rd, 2009
I don't think there's really any violent dogs. The problem does lie in the owner. One must realize though, they are animals, things happen. They can snap at times, but most of them are nice if treated properly. We had a Rottweiler that was the sweetest, but one time my brother got by it's face when she was sleeping and she woke up and bit his lip. Don't invade their space especially if they're sleepin'! He now has a big beautiful black dog that (they think) is part Mastiff, Pit Bull, and Boxer. He's enormous and very scary looking but is the absolute nicest dog I've ever met. It's funny, when you sit on the ground he comes up to you turns around and puts his ass right in your lap and just sits on you. He's hilarious.
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- I would agree with you. While certain breeds may have been bred for such characteristics, dogs are individuals like people. A dog form a "violent" breed can be the biggest sweetheart while a little dog will draw blood. My friends rott was like that. Sweet and funny. he liked to push between you legs so he'd get scratched right above his tail. I'd be standing there on my tiptoes saying, "Ozzy, I'm too heavy to sit on you and too short to stand over you. You have to move." Ironically, he out weighed me by about 15-20 lbs. :)
  
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by Mosexy on June 23rd, 2009
It is not the dogs fault. But like it or not, certain breeds of dogs were created by purposefully selecting for strength and aggressive behavior. They were intentionally created by humans to be a menace to other dogs. Of course, this makes them a potential menace to other humans as well.

I don't understand how people can be so inconsistent in their beliefs. If you believe in evolution and you have a basic understanding of biology, then you should understand that intentionally favoring and selecting for aggressive behavior will necessarily produce offspring with a strong tendency toward aggression. It's not about how cute the puppies are.
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- Well, I certainly can't deny that certain dogs were bred for the strength and a natural tendency towards aggression. However, I've noticed that the dogs that are touted to be vicious can be the gentlest of dogs. I've met a few rotts. They were all sweethearts. Of the two pits I've met one was a teddy bear and the other was a complete coward (had been beaten by a former owner). Now, chows are a different story. I took one in that had been abused and I had to let him go because he did bite and we couldn't take care of him properly. The other I met was more than willing to be vicious towards strangers but was so well trained that a person known to her could simply say, "Sarah, friend." and she calmed right down.
  
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  by raindancer on September 24th, 2009
- I do think all dogs have the will to obey when properly trained, but it seems most dog owners just don't have the patience for it. It also seems really hard to retrain a dog once they've becomes settled into bad behavior.
  
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- Very true. Many dog owners are very sloppy about it and it takes a lot of work and patience to retrain a dog. Even with that it's not always successful.
  
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by abby_thats my name.18 on June 23rd, 2009
the breed isn't violent, its how the dog is trained. Some dogs have good natural fighting abilities and are therefore chosen for their natural tendencies but the fact of the matter is that the dogs behavioral patterns are the sole responsibility of the owner/trainer.
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- Agreed. Natural tendecies or no, proper training is the key. Sorry I missed your answer before.
  
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by krsnaknows on June 23rd, 2009
We have a violent dog near our house. He is vicious but I do not blame him for that. His owner is the bad one!He needs to be thrown out of our neighborhood.
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- I agree with you and hope that the neighbor gets tossed and the dog gets helped. My friend took in a former fighter and he's a sweetheart, though he will go nuts around certain types of dogs.
  
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by xpixiex on June 23rd, 2009
dogs are brought up by their owner to be vicious, i know plenty of 'vicious' dog breeds that are brilliant, loving dogs that wouldn't hurt a fly. Yet people breed them to fight and to be aggressive.
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- I agree with you. My friend's rott was the biggest teddy bear, especially with his girls.
  
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by DukeG on June 23rd, 2009
Dogs arent violent, People make them that way.
I have always had 3 or more dogs at a time. Every breed imaginable and they all were treated like part of the family. They were nothing but slobbering pussycats and loved anyone who would take two minutes to pet them.
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by de Joisey on June 22nd, 2009
All animal violence stems from human cruelty. Puppies need more hugs.
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- I agree that the humans are at fault. That's why I don't have a dog. We don't have time to care for and train it properly. Thank you.
  
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by Shanel with an S on June 22nd, 2009
thats sad, its not the dog's fault if the owner trains it to be bad and attact people. it doesn't know any better.
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- Very true. I'm glad so many people see the truth on this issue!
  
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  by raindancer on June 22nd, 2009
- its also like discrimination against certain dogs. chihuahuas can be mean too! lol
  
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  by Shanel with an S on June 22nd, 2009
- Oh yes they can! I had a Scottie take a chunk out of my finger. It's the people who raise them that are bad, not the breed.
  
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- yes exactly!
  
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by iKnow on June 22nd, 2009
Dogs are breed for certain temperaments I understand that... however, it really depends on how they're raised and brought up too.

So.... I get kind of annoyed when people say things like "pitbulls are mean dogs" "rottweilers are mean dogs" "doberman pinschers are mean dogs."
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- Agreed. I understand that certain breeds make people a bit nervous. That's fine. Don't own one and exercise a little extra caution around them. However, I get bent when people start calling for bans on them or extermination of the breed because certain *ssholes raise them wrong.
  
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by Andrew on June 22nd, 2009
While a dog is an animal, and some breeds are more prone to be "mean" there is no reason to ban them. If the dog is loved and respected they will never be a problem. The ones you read about are either mistreated or trained to do what they did. Ban the owners and trainers that are responsible. Treat them like pedophiles. Don't allow them within 100yards of an animal or jailtime and fines.
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- So true. A good owner makes a good dog. Another fresh approach on how to handle the humans who are responsible for creating the problem as well. Thank you.
  
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- you are welcome.
  
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by Suny on June 22nd, 2009
I think a dog that is capable of killing with a bite or one that clamps on and you can't get them off is dangerously violent. Law makers should make it a huge pain in the ass for owners to have them. I also think violent people want violent dogs and I agree they make them that way.
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- I don't really agree that they are dangerously violent just because they are capable of causing severe damage, but it is certainly true that some people get them to be trained as vicious guard dogs because of those capabilities. I don't think singling out one or two breeds would really fix it. Requiring training/licensing for all dog owners or special classes for any dog over 15-20 lbs would help a lot, though.
  
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  by raindancer on June 22nd, 2009
- good point, though my pug weighs 20 lbs and she is harmless. Rots and pitbulls have earned their reputation.
  
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  by Suny on June 22nd, 2009
- Because of their owners, though. My friend had the sweetest dog in the world and he was a Rott. His bark was intimidating, though.
  
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  by raindancer on June 22nd, 2009
- I agree with that to a point but if they're hurt or annoyed enough they can do some damage don't you think? I honestly have seen it but it was a saint bernard.
  
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  by Suny on June 23rd, 2009
- True, any injured animal must be approached with caution and even the gentlest of dogs can bite if provoked. I knew a sweetheart of a dog who never bit, until one kid decided to repeatedly yank on his ears and stab him with a pencil. This continued over the course of several hours (the parent, unfortunately, did nothing to stop him). He did finally snap at the kid. I believe the kid took a couple stitches, but no one reported the dog because of the kids behavior. He went on with no problems until he had to be put down at the end of last year (he was very ill and suffering badly. He could only walk on three of his legs and he still babied one of those.)
  
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by ~*C23*~ on June 22nd, 2009
I think that while the bigger dogs are getting noticed, the little ones are taking control of their owners and no one is going to pick on the little ones

(as in any situation, not ALL individuals, but for the most part, I think we all know it's the smaller ones that are more aggressive)

All come back to the owners anyways. So not the animal's fault (for the most part) but ours.
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- I agree with you. I had a small chunk taken out of one of my fingers by a dog that couldn't have been more than 10lbs.
  
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by Baccduckus is a Carbonproduct on April 17th, 2009
I think this guy takes the cake.
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- Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Okay, that's vicious! On the other hand, she clearly doesn't know how to handle the animal.
  
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by Limetree on April 17th, 2009
There are breeds that are more apt to be labeled "violent" or "dangerous," but that is almost exclusively related to the lack of training or bad training instituted by the people who own them. The most vicious dog I have ever met was a nasty little dachshund...and it was his owner's support of "cute" bad habits, disregard for regular training, and deliberate goading that made him such a "bad" dog. The gentlest dog I know is a sweet Rottweiler whose owner insists on regular training and showers the dog with discipline and love.
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- I agree. It's the owners not the breed. And those little dogs can be really mean!
  
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  by raindancer on April 17th, 2009
- exactly! and the bad thing about the little dogs is that they are so "cute" and unintimidating that people can get attacked before they even realize it. people tend to be more cautious around the bigger dogs...
  
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- Yes. That exact thing actually happened to me. :)
  
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- oh dear! I'm sorry! I hope it wasn't serious!
  
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  by Limetree on April 17th, 2009
- No, just a little chunk out of my finger. Cute little yippee dog on a chain in someones yard. It healed after a few days. The funny thing about it was that I had petted two rotts in someone yard a few days before and my sister was sure they'd rip my arm off, but they were happy as clams just getting some attention. But, drop your guard with a yippee dog.....ouch!
  
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  by raindancer on April 17th, 2009
- Sad! All the rottweilers I've met have been super friendly..they just have a loyal and protective nature and need to please that some people exploit. Yes, watch out for the yippee dogs!
  
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by Baccduckus is a Carbonproduct on April 7th, 2009
Both are bullshit.

The dogs considered violent are the ones that are most loyal. Their violence is often triggered by that instinct and not hampered by their incompetent owner. A responsible loving owner would never have such a problem.

As has been mentioned, I would be in favor of a licensing system for the owners. Perhaps any dog breed, or mix of breeds, that normally exceeds 20 pounds (10Kg) would require a training session and a special handler's permit. (by training session I simply mean for the owner, even an online class could put the necessary information into their head and make everyone better owners)
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- I agree. Good points all around, especially the all dogs over a certain weight idea. The little yippie dogs are a little easier to stop if they become violent. So 15 or 20 lbs would probably be a good weight mark.
  
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by pedal junky on April 7th, 2009
owners are the ones who are ultimately responsible.we try to blame the breeds instead of the owners.i would suggest a traing or a license of some type show someone is competent to raise and own these dogs.
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- Agreed.
  
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  by Baccduckus is a Carbonproduct on April 7th, 2009
- I'm with you.
  
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by Danilito on April 7th, 2009
Only pit bulls. Ban them. A lot of pit bull owners are proud to have mean dogs, yet they don't even have a pot to piss in. At least here in L.A.
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- So, it still really comes down to the owners. Do you think the bad ones would use another breed to this end if pits were banned? Just wondering. I've never really interacted with those who deliberately train dogs to be mean.
  
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- I am pretty sure they would find other breeds to be mean. I do know that here in L.A. they like to walk the dogs and love the fear it creates on pass byers. They also like to intimidate other people as they stand next to their dog.
  
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- Bastards.
  
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by Phillis - Zacks little sister on April 7th, 2009
They're called pitbulls for a reason. Centuries of breeding in qualitites for fighting in the ring, and man has once again fucked up a great animal for his own selfish needs.

A competency test for would-be owners of dangerous dogs/animals needs to be in place. In the meantime, whatever laws make my children safe, I will support!
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- I'm open to a competency test, but the "whatever laws" view is far to broad for my liking. Just about anything can potentially fall under that category.
  
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  by Baccduckus is a Carbonproduct on April 7th, 2009
- I didn't want to take a week to answer the question. My main point being, the laws they put in place that protect my family are the ones I will support.
  
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  by Phillis - Zacks little sister on April 8th, 2009
- I understand what you're after, and pretty much agree, but I just can't get behind the particular verbiage. :)
  
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  by Baccduckus is a Carbonproduct on April 8th, 2009
- Perfectly understandable :)
  
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  by Phillis - Zacks little sister on April 8th, 2009
- I agree. It's humans that are to blame both in the breeding and the current treatment/training. I was talking about it with the guy who originally brought the question up to me (he's a dog trainer) and he likes the idea of a test/class. He doesn't favor it being specific to only one or two breeds, though, because it may stigmatize the particular breed. Still, that would be more just than banning them outright.
  
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  by raindancer on April 9th, 2009
- I would back that suggestion completely! But it is easy to skirt around the test/class as well. That would be an issue worth addressing, no? And perhaps some people would still train the dog to fight. That would really suck :(
  
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  by Phillis - Zacks little sister on April 9th, 2009
- It would. Although, many people also attempt to circumvent the bans as well. The person I mentioned above could receive a hefty fine for have a "pitbull" even though his dog has never caused problems and is pretty well-behaved. He was actually a dog rescued from fighting. Some people just really suck and they screw it up for the decent people.
  
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  by raindancer on April 9th, 2009
- Too true!!!!
  
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