by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on February 7th, 2007

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We are forming the answerbag constitution to govern all users and minimise idiocy, what would you like to add?

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by Darryl61 on May 5th, 2007
Quite frankly, I can only add that there is already an answerbag constitution. It is called the "terms of use" and has been clearly defined by AB admin.
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- Indeed, funny how so many violations keep popping up.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on May 5th, 2007
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  by Arisztid on August 20th, 2007
- From me as well.
  
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  by Meow Meow 1BadMutha TBMF on August 21st, 2007
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by Arisztid on August 20th, 2007
~~I have been asked to break down the document and provide input on it. I answered it twice due to the lengthiness of this answer. The analysis is at the bottom of the answers page for this question.~~

I have been avoiding commenting about this question. It has annoyed me since I first came, however, I have the belief that I should walk away rather than make my displeasure known.

However, due to recent developments, I see no need to keep my opinion to myself any further. I have no need to concern myself with not offending you.

This is silly and inapplicable even if it was not silly. It is also discriminatory against newcomers. I shall address that at the end of this reply... in depth.

~~Editing in some words about dyslexics and non native English speakers at the very end.~~

This is a paramilitary, authoritarian approach to policing an INTERNET WEBSITE. Not only that, but you do not have any more authority than the most wet-behind-the ears newcomer. You threaten with various dire threats or thinly veiled threats but you cannot do a thing. You cannot stop anyone from saying or doing anything on this great grand Internet.

What are you going to do? Are you going to reach through the monitor and punch people for breaching your code of AB conduct? Are you going to issue a violator a ticket or a fine? If so, might I ask how you shall manage such a feat?

Strutting, pounding your chest, and blowing your bugle is just plain silly. You are not an admin or a mod on this website. There is NO Army. Any Army is in your mind. You cannot ban or otherwise affect another user in any way.

Before you preach your AMENDMENTS, I would suggest you inspect your own behavior for compliance.

For ONE example:

"AMENDMENT 6 (LMD Article)
Any negative rating given must be accompanied by a comment why such rating was given."

This is a very good idea. However, you do not practice what you preach. In this comment thread you stated the exact opposite of AMENDMENT 6... http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/1237974 :

Avatar BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk Aug, 18 2007 at 07:41 PM
... snip... "This is not a question and downration without comment is perfectably acceptable."

I am certain that if I cared enough I could find many other instances of you violating your own code of AB conduct.

Your attack of myself, Keysha, and Lily Why in that comment thread I just listed is, in and of itself, in violation of your code of conduct. See AMENDMENT 19.

"AMENDMENT 19 (pasobrian pacifist clause)

Arguments to the point of insults are pointless and frowned upon, such things are qualified to be downrated."

He who lives in glass houses had best not cast stones.

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Edited to add something I said from the comment thread:

Newcomers are no better nor worse than the oldest member on here. Neither have more or less rights than any other member. Neither have more or less value or more or less intelligence.
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Newcomers have every right to express themselves and every right to make errors. Newcomers also ask some excellent questions and provide some excellent answers. They also do some less than excellent ones. JUST LIKE THE OLD TIMERS.

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Further elaboration upon the above, not from the comment thread:

New blood is what keeps a website alive. This "amendment" thing, if it was able to be applied, would drive away any newcomer before they even posted. Look at it. Think about what YOU would feel like, and I am using the generic "you", if you were new here and saw THAT as policy. Would you stay?

Hardly.

If this policy was applied, AB would wither and die as newcomers stopped coming with their fresh ideas. New blood would not replace old blood as the natural ebb and flow of a website drew oldtimers AWAY and nobody came to replace them. This place would get a worse reputation than Yahoo Answers as word spread that a newcomer had to tow a paramilitary line and cannot make even the slightest error. According to this document, they cannot even ask a QUESTION until, I believe it was, Level 5!

The author of this "document" does not like newcomers. We ALL were newcomers at one time.

This document, if applied, would NOT stop the trolls. The trolls do not care. The ones it would stop are the newcomers who want to be good, contributing members.

Think about that please.

Yes, an attempt to clean up the site is good. NO, it is not YOUR job to do it. It is AB Staff's, with the assistance of the Community Leaders, jobs to do it. Each member has tools provided by AB to assist: the TOS, the flagging system, the feedback link, and, now, Community Leaders with moderator powers (pardon me for referring to you, CL's, as inanimate objects). THOSE are the tools we should use.

It is not YOUR job to police what others ask. If they ask excessive fluff and generally bad questions, it shall be made evident to them that it is not liked by the lacking in response or by AB action or CL action. The person asking it shall, hence, not ask as much unless s/he is a troll.

If s/he is a troll, you are NOT going to influence that person no matter what you do.

You have some good points, however, guide with a gentle hand rather than a police baton upside the head.

You are not the General of AB. You are a member. You hold no more or less weight than myself, a level 60, or a level ONE.

~~~Edited in from the comment thread because I want this to be here for everyone to read:

There are non native English speakers here.

There are also dyslexic members here. I am dyslexic and I can tell you that it takes some work to put out a correct post when my dyslexia is cracking. I reverse words, reverse letters in words, I drop words from sentences, and I can sometimes drop whole sections of sentences. Dyslexics can also forget punctuation marks.

I am able, with training, to write proficiently but not all dyslexics can.

There are also members who have not has a good an education in the English Language as other members. Their writing is no up to "par" according to the OP's manifesto. This is not their fault: it is the fault of the educational system and, even though their writings might not be up to par by the manifesto and they might even not be able to get their thoughts across as well, they have the right to say what they want without criticism.

The OP is setting the bar a bit high when everything is taken into account. Add to the list of newcomers that would be run off the following: non native English speakers, dyslexics, members who have not had as much education in the written English language as others, and anyone with a learning disorder that interferes with fluent speech.

Having these deficits does not make their input any less valid and any more "worthy" of criticism as any other member. In fact, if these members are treated with a gentle hand they relax and learn. With dyslexics, I can tell you, the more pressure you put on a dyslexic the more trouble they are going to have. As I said, I have, mostly, overcome it, however, I remember what it was like to overcome.
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- Cheers :)
  
  When this Q first came up, I answered it as the idea seemed quaint (although there were points I did not agree with).
  We just need to let each other be, spelling errors and all, no one is perfect or above another.
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  by Anonymous on August 20th, 2007
- Thankyou. :) I have held my tongue and my opinion since I first saw this tripe. I see no further need.
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  Newcomers are no better nor worse than the oldest member on here. Neither have more or less rights than any other member. Neither have more or less value or more or less intelligence.
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  Newcomers have every right to express themselves and every right to make errors. Newcomers also ask some excellent questions and provide some excellent answers. They also do some less than excellent ones. JUST LIKE THE OLD TIMERS.
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  This post is nothing but elitism and power mongering.
  
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  by Arisztid on August 20th, 2007
- Are you really going on extended leave from AB? I'll miss your contributions :)
  
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  by Anonymous on August 20th, 2007
- I am deciding. As they say, the jury is out. :P
  
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  by Arisztid on August 20th, 2007
- Well, a couple of days (or longer) away can help sometimes. I know I am not here as much as I used to be, but I do still come back. :)
  
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  by Anonymous on August 20th, 2007
- No don't go Ari! We need you sanity and your eloquence :)
  
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  by another other on August 20th, 2007
- Hey, -3 driveby, how about a comment? Somehow I think our -3 downrater's name is BAM.
  
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  by Arisztid on August 20th, 2007
- I did no such thing.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 20th, 2007
- Now I do NOT believe that you are a liar so I retract that.
  
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  by Arisztid on August 20th, 2007
- Appreciated.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 20th, 2007
- He does have some good points, BAM. New memebers are what keeps us going and they are just as good as the older ones. We also can't rule anything. All we can do is ask. You both violated the PasoBrio Clause with the name calling and fighting on the other post. Now, see on this one it's calm and we're discussing this rationally so it can be done. I'm telling you two would actually get along if you just calmed down and both appologized. No, I'm not going to let up till it happens. You both know how stubborn I can be. Don't make me sit on you two with this bony butt till it happens.
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on August 20th, 2007
- If I have something for which I owe an apology, I shall do so. If you find something that merits a personal apology from me, let me know.
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  I have enough manners that, if I am wrong, I apologize.
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  All of my words are there to be seen. If you wish to look through them and cite some specifics, I shall apologize if I owe him one.
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  It is kind of you, Pasobrio, but another thing that cannot be done to another is not make them push that "off" button.
  
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  by Arisztid on August 20th, 2007
- I would be interested, Pasobrio, as to where I violated this clause and name called. Bear in mind, I do not hold to this written construct in the first place.
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  I do not recall name calling.
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  If calling him "it" is name calling, then, for that and that only, I apologize.
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  There are two threads. If you wish to break it down, you have to go into both. I walked away from the first after the insults. Yes, I have been in the other.
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  Now, please cite where I name called.
  
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  by Arisztid on August 20th, 2007
- Furthermore, cite where I have insulted that is not a direct response to insults AND the direness of my insults versus his.
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  Let us have a side to side comparison.
  
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  by Arisztid on August 20th, 2007
- No one should appologize for anything Pasobrio, I have no idea what you are talking about. I may have been slightly out of line to use "idiots" but I felt it was warranted to emphasize my disgust. You know how rough I am and I'm in no way sorry for that. You know me enough to know why I chose this course of action.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 20th, 2007
- 1) Called us trolls.
  2) Called us points farmers, or whatever the term is.
  3) Called us idiots
  4) Stated that we are too new to have any weight to our replies
  5) Stated that we post like useless robots
  6) Stated that it shall be good when school is back so we leave
  7) Referencing that it has been nothing but useless spittle since we have been here
  8) Intruded in a thread into which it was not invited with comments that were not solicited, welcomed, or necessary.
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  If you wish to name my ills, feel free.
  
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  by Arisztid on August 20th, 2007
- I stand behind all my statements unless otherwise noted.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 20th, 2007
- Good for you! It is always a good thing to show yourself to be rude.
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  Have a nice day.
  
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  by Arisztid on August 20th, 2007
- To each their own.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 20th, 2007
- BAM: It seems the more you talk, the more you stand alone. Apparently that's how you want it. Everyone else is being somewhat kind and civil, especially Pasabrio; although seemingly blind to who you truly are, she is only trying to defend you. A friend like that you should be thanking your lucky stars to have. But you won't. You'd rather keeping screaming about how right you are than have any real guts and admit that you were being a jerk and apologize. Ari, you know you haven't done anything wrong. This BAM guy is simply unwilling to be civil. Someone like that isn't worth any of our time.
  
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  by another other on August 20th, 2007
- I keep attempting to sever this conversation but someone obviously wants to keep going. I have always stood alone. I have been certainly civil, I have no idea what your definition of 'civil' is but it clearly has deviated from the actual definition. If this is so unworthy of your time then WALK AWAY. I've seen Arisztid say this several times but each time, one of you opens up again. Show some consistancy.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 20th, 2007
- haha ... BAM, you're about the biggest internet whackjob I've ever encountered. Learn to spell. Learn to function as a human being. You're hilarious! Because noone believes you or gives any credence to your words except for yourself. All you do is talk mad shit about everyone else and within the same sentence, the same paragraph or page, you directly contradict yourself. But, this keeps covering my whole profile page. Acutal definition of civil: "adhering to the norms of polite social intercourse; not deficient in common courtesy;
  marked by benevolence". In other words, not you. In closing dear BAM, you're too ignorant to pull off that level of condescension that you're going for.
  
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  by another other on August 20th, 2007
- The reason I keep coming back is because another member (well more than one) is trying to talk me into working it out. Many emails have been flying. I have been saying that this is not going to work but I am being asked to try.
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  Folks, no more trying to talk me into working it out... please.
  
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  by Arisztid on August 20th, 2007
- civ·il
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  civ·il [sívv'l]
  adj
  1. polite: polite, but in a way that is cold and formal
  2. relating to citizens: relating to what happens within a state or between different citizens or groups of citizens
  civil war
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  3. not military: connected with ordinary citizens and organizations as opposed to the armed forces
  the civil authorities
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  4. not religious: performed by a state official such as a registrar rather than a member of the clergy
  civil marriage
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  5. Same as civic (sense 2)
  6. law happening between individuals: involving individual people or groups in legal action other than criminal proceedings
  a civil action
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  At least Arisztid is trying to move on, you lily, are exhibiting the exact traits that I had indicated earlier of someone too new to have anything useful to say. You are much more ignorant than I.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 20th, 2007
- This is everything you need to apologize for, BAM. I took it sraight from Ari's post. I know them and they are not trolls, they are not points farmers, idiots or any of the other stuff you said. In fact all three have been awesome contributors and a big help with the troll problem.
  1) Called us trolls.
  2) Called us points farmers, or whatever the term is.
  3) Called us idiots
  4) Stated that we are too new to have any weight to our replies
  5) Stated that we post like useless robots
  6) Stated that it shall be good when school is back so we leave
  7) Referencing that it has been nothing but useless spittle since we have been here
  8) Intruded in a thread into which it was not invited with comments that were not solicited, welcomed, or necessary.
  In fact I'm shocked your behaviour since you've come back. This is not the BAM I know.
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on August 20th, 2007
- Fine, I'm willing to forget this whole uglyness but I will not give up the campaign against the community leaders and I shall not appologize for anything but using "idiots".
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  You never knew me at all Pasobrio.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 20th, 2007
- And the rest of you need to apologize for telling him he has no right to defend himself on his own post and calling him a Nazi. This was all a big misunderstanding over the purpose of the Constitution and some where along the way the wording of it got lost in the mix. He made plenty of exceptions to the "rules". Also at the time it was written we we're having issues with new users acting up.
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on August 20th, 2007
- Wait, who called me a Nazi? Who said I have no right to defend myself? Where are you getting this crud?
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 20th, 2007
- BAM, I know you better then you think. I want a full apology. With the whole "I'm sorry I said..." You said some very untrue things and I have corrected you with the truth. You always told me if you were wrong you would except it, apologize, and correct your mistake. Its' time to make good, my friend.
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on August 20th, 2007
- It's from the other post. I read throught it and tried to summerize why they should say sorry to you too. There was something on there about acting like a Nazi. The part about having no right was because they said you busted into a comment thread you had no bussiness on. I'm saying because it was your post you had a right to enter the comment thread and explain why you put it up. But no right to name call.
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on August 20th, 2007
- Alright, referring to "the list".
  1) Troll might be a bit far, appologies for that.
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  2) Point farmers, you are all most certainly point farmers by my standards, I will not appologize for that.
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  3) I've already made amends for "idiots".
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  4) I stand by that statement, you are far too new.
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  5)While perhaps not useless, you shoot out questions and answers like bullets from a vigilante.
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  6)I shall be glad when school is back in so this inflation of pure crap is reduced, whether any of you still attend school or not.
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  7)I have no idea what you are talking about in this instance.
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  8)To join a thread is not 'intruding', everyone does this. You don't have to be there when the conversation starts to be included. An opposing opinion? No one would welcome opposition.
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  There, I've finished.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 20th, 2007
- Almost,BAM, almost indeed.
  1. I think should be exceptable, but that's up to them.
  2. Is not. I have never caught any of them points farming even by your standards.
  3. Should be okay, but again that's up to them.
  4. They may be new here, but they are refugees from the dreaded Yahoo!Answers. Plus knowledge has nothing to do with how long you've been here, but life experiance.
  5. They're quick thinkers and I have found them all very intellegent.
  6.None of them are in school.
  7. I don't get that one either, but it doesn't sound good. I hope you were just talking the sight in general?
  8. There's no crime in jumping into a thread, but you tore off heads when you did it. Not good.
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on August 20th, 2007
- Are you quite done yet?
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- I guess I am since you're being stubborn.
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on August 21st, 2007
- Fuck the high road.
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  Why the HELL is everyone afraid of this piece of sh*t?
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  Does not anyone see him for being the Internet General that he is? Do not people see that he is this way because he has nothing else?
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  Good Christ! Open your eyes. There is NOTHING to be afraid of here. He is bluster and blunder and blowing his bugle on this website because he has NOTHING else.
  
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  by Arisztid on August 21st, 2007
- LOOK at this piece of sh*t. Why would it need to make what is, in essence, a communist manifesto on a WEBSITE and play General if he had ANYTHING in real life?
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  People, LOOK at what you are frightened of. It is impotent and useless.
  
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  by Arisztid on August 21st, 2007
- Is this the "good person" you knew Pasobrio? I knew you were too trusting, when will you realize it?
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- *laughs*
  
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  by Arisztid on August 21st, 2007
- I now have license to call you all trolls. This question has been downrated at least seven times in the 24 hours, no doubt from your influence.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- Go right ahead, little boy.
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  Report me to AB for downrating. I did it once and only on your 'manifesto'. I have no clue who else downrated it but, if they did, I am certain it is because they DISAGREED with you.
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  If that is what it takes to make you feel big and important, go right ahead.
  
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  by Arisztid on August 21st, 2007
- Report? The staff is as useless as you and the community leaders when it comes to trolling. Your feeble insults are humorous to me. Most of the users agreed when the constitution first came up, how coincidental is it that since you joined, the rating began to roll down hill?
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- You can report the downrating to AB staff. I happen to know that they can, and do, take action about serial downraters.
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  The reason you are a bitter little man is because you cannot achieve satisfaction in any other way than insult and intimidate. I do not care about YOUR reaction to this. I care that OTHERS are going to see and, just maybe, realize the truth about you.
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  Somehow you have obtained some level of fear from AB. THAT is what I am addressing.
  
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  by Arisztid on August 21st, 2007
- Fear? What the hell are you talking about? Do you see people named "Bam's slave #12123"? You are building me into some strange virtual "Adolph Hitler of answerbag", it's quick disturbing.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- No, you TRIED to make yourself into a virtual Adolph Hitler. Unfortunately you do not have what it takes.
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  Some seem to be afraid of you. However, those are the ones who have not looked at you and seen how insignificant a person who would actually form an "Army" on a WEBSITE truly is.
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  The others laugh at your immaturity.
  
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  by Arisztid on August 21st, 2007
- Alright,let me explain the "army" to your ten year old mind. The "army" is simply the name of a group of anti-troll people. Someone sees troll/spammer activity and we all go after he/she with reports, downrates, flags, etc. If you think we have any supreme power at all then you are truely an idiot. Understand?
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- Answerbag is not life, we are not moderators and you are far too sensitive in this entire affair.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- You have shown yourself to be an internet bully. That is fine by me. These threads are here to be seen by all. Yes, I stepped off of the high road...
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  ...once.
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  You have left a legacy all over this site of being an internet wannabe Hitler.
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  You are dismissed, Adolf.
  
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  by Arisztid on August 21st, 2007
- In this instance, your idiocy is sad yet still funny.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- I agree with "Arisztid",completely. I am new to AB and almost deleted my account the second day because some guy told me I was an "illiterate retard" simply because he did not agree with how I asked my question. I did nothing to this guy but because I did not write and talk as he did, he felt he had to degrade me, and I did not appriciate it. So no I think there should definately be no AB "constitution."
  
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  by christine alyssa on August 21st, 2007
- :) I am most pleased you saw this christine. I wrote that reply mostly FOR the newcomers. Yes, my ire at the cretin started it but my ire at how newcomers are sometimes treated finished it. I am still tidying up loose ends and shall pop in every now and then on this thread.
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  What the cretin does not realize is there IS an AB "constitution": it is called the "terms of service". There is an enforcing agency: AB Staff, the flag feature, the feedback link, and the Community Leaders, no matter how much the cretin dislikes them.
  
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  by Arisztid on August 21st, 2007
- Illiterate retard is far too offensive, the constitution does not support this sort of crap.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- About your 'army'...
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  You say this at the end of it: "NOTE: some members are automatically conscripted due to past outstanding actions. Contact me if you object."
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  In other words, it is nothing but a fabrication of YOUR own mind, where YOU decide which are 'worthy' of your attention.
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  I know of at least one that has already demanded you remove him from it. Sad that you have to list people in your profile in hopes of currying favor and friends.
  
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  by Keysha on August 21st, 2007
- For any newcomers who might be swayed by the cretin's words up above, please reference the following thread:
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  Read that and decide if it is trying to cover its butt or it is telling the truth.
  
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  by Arisztid on August 21st, 2007
- Have you even read my statement about the army? Do you not understand? Was I right to open this fray with "idiots"? It appears that I was.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- Thank you Arisztid. :)
  And furthmore, BAM, I guess I'm not really entitled to much say on this, but the way I see it, trying to conform everyone to what you, or whoever, thinks is "right" is only going to anger people, I mean this website is so people can express themselves and ask what they want, right? Not saying your right or wrong, that's just how I see it. And I appriciate you agreeing about the whole "illiterat retard" deal. That was quite appalling.
  
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  by christine alyssa on August 21st, 2007
- Christine, you are entitled to say anything you want! You have as many rights as any other member on here. Do not let anyone convince you otherwise.
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  Let me show you, however, what BAM called myself and two other members:
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  Avatar BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk Aug, 18 2007 at 09:12 PM
  All three of you are far too new here to have any weight to your replies. As for the use of 'downration', it is not a word you would find in any dictionary but one you would know if you had any seniority or spent any time actually learning here rather than belting out questions and answers like useless robots that flock here in the summer like teens to spring break. I shall be glad when you all go back to school, it's been nothing but worthless spittle since June. Also, the constitution is not official, nor is it completely authored by myself unless otherwise noted.
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  I just want to let you know what sort of creature you are thanking. Then go read his manifesto that he posted in this thread.
  
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  by Arisztid on August 21st, 2007
- Christine, your clarity and sense is excellent, you've gained my respect.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- "Excuse me, but are you all stupid? It's an honest inquiry. This is not a question and downration without comment is perfectably acceptable. No one should uprate just because the converse action occurred, regardless of the asker's feelings or mental atmosphere at any time of their answerbag visit. This question should be marked as 'nonsense' and done away with as so."
  
  And forgive me if I cause an uproar with this, but BAM, this is what you said on a comment, which is the exact thing this guy did to me, it it degrading and no one appriciates this. Just saying.
  
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  by christine alyssa on August 21st, 2007
- Thank you. And I'm not going to say anything about either one of you, simply because I do not know you and I don't feel I should get too in depth with something I don't know much of.
  
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  by christine alyssa on August 21st, 2007
- And my job here is done.
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  Cretin, your words are here in black and white. You cannot weasel out of them.
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  What I just posted, Christine, is from later in that thread.
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  by Arisztid on August 21st, 2007
- It was situational interjection christine. Stupidity is far from retardation.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- But thank you once again for conversing with me, it was much appriciated, and thank you Arisztid for not "downing me" simply because I am new to the site.
  
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  by christine alyssa on August 21st, 2007
- Nothing is in "black and white" you fool, you are making something out of nothing.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- I have been new to sites before and I am going to be new to other sites.
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  Christine, never let anyone "down" you because of being new. As I said, fresh blood is what keeps a website alive. Anyone who slams a newcomer is, in essence, damaging the website. The newcomer can just go somewhere else. And... the website loses.
  
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  by Arisztid on August 21st, 2007
- See Arisztid, Christine has proven herself as an intelligent user and I respect her for it. You simply continued a long line of idiocy when it was clearly superfluous.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- That's it. I'm now going to sit on everyone. This whole thing was just a misunderstanding of BAM's intent. Out of all of you I know that better then anyone else here other then Toker and Kevin. The intent was to give everyone guidlines on how to behave on here by using users input in any easy to read and understand way. The way the community as a whole acts is not entirely covered by the terms of use. And honestly how many of you have read it? I guess you all missed the part about "what would you like to add". You also missed sevral spots where it said "to the best of your ability". The army was just away for us to band together to combat the trolls. BAM would go out and find them and we all would join up to take care of them. Those of us who acctually know BAM know it's all in fun.
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on August 21st, 2007
- Just one quick question, when you(BAM) said "stupidity is far from retardation." How so? It is still degrading and hurtful to whoever was on the receiving end of it.
  
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  by christine alyssa on August 21st, 2007
- The intent was not misunderstood, Pasobrio. What about the thread where he originally attacked?
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  by Arisztid on August 21st, 2007
- Pasobrio is (mostly) right, no arguements there. Christine, I answered this question to your answer, check your control page.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- Since the army was his idea he should be the one who picks who's in it. He picked those that he trusted the most and who were on here alot. They also showed the best judgment in his eyes. What he did is no diffrent then how the staff picked the community leaders.
  I want the name calling and the fighting to stop and I want everyone to calm down. The next thing I want is for everyone to apologize. I don't care if you think you need to or not. It must be done. Then I want you all to leave each other alone for a week.
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on August 21st, 2007
- You are not realizing something, Pasobrio.
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  Finally even the calmest become upset if prodded enough. If you want to list it out, insult by insult, I am certain you shall find the cretin much in the lead.
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  by Arisztid on August 21st, 2007
- Much agreed, once again.
  
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  by christine alyssa on August 21st, 2007
- Yes, I do, because I was apart of the formation of a lot of the ideas. I saw that thread, Ari, and nobody on that one was being nice. In fact it was quite judgemental from the start. You guys stated your opinions and BAM stated his reasons. It just went down hill from there on both sides. Nobody is innocent in this. Especially not now. Everyone resorted to name calling and accusations and that's not right.
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on August 21st, 2007
- Tell me where, in that thread, I was anything but polite.
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  by Arisztid on August 21st, 2007
- Pasabrio: I think the point Ari was making is that the army thing is lame and fu*king stupid. There was no 'misunderstanding'. He very obviously attacked us, and I'm honestly getting rather annoyed that you're constantly defending his nonsense. But, whatever, you're entitled. BAM: I guarantee you that other people are downrating you and there is no one particular troll. You are not liked. The reason this escalated as it did, as opposed to other debates he's had is that not I nor Ari nor Keeysha kissed his ass or coddled or conceded to him like everyone else does. If this were not on my screen every damn time I got on, I wouldn't bother commenting on it. But it is, so I will.
  
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  by another other on August 21st, 2007
- Ari, I know you're mad, but he's so not worth it. It's ridiculous because you know that he is a total last word freak, a projector (his issues of his own inability to spell or communicate or act properly or particiapte in an even-tempered manner on AB) onto everyone else. But, who cares? One person likes him. Pasobrio. Who else has come to his defense? No-fu*king-body! Because he's not worth it. He's going to keep last wording and we all just have to ignore it, which whill be easier when it's not all over my mutherfridgin page!
  
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  by another other on August 21st, 2007
- I am just cleaning up loose ends. Telling the truth about it was, really, my last. Now I have been answering another member.
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  I am just sad over one thing, and I am certain you know what it is. I want to clarify that before I go. It looks like it is not going to be clarified and I take my leave without clarification.
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  by Arisztid on August 21st, 2007
- I love how we come close to agreement and almost everytime Lily comes in and screws it up. She apparently likes the confrontation, it makes her feel important, like a real player. It's almost sad.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- And Pasobrio, Ari and I had a very civilized disagreement. We cleared it up maturely. But, when someone comes in unannounced and calls everyone else stupid, that is not being civilized and is not categorized as a disagreement, but an attack.
  
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  by another other on August 21st, 2007
- You think everything is an attack, such a waste of space on the answerbag server.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- Exactly, Lily. I would not have even come back into THIS thread had it not kept going... and going... and going....
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  by Arisztid on August 21st, 2007
- The use of creaton is not nice, Ari. I don't care which thread it was on.
  I'm getting annoyed that people who supposedly want this to stop keep it going by continuing to attack him. He only went on the defense because he thought you guys were attacking him. And considering all the other stuff on here that's pure fluff he has every much a right to post it. As for the army that was between us as friends, Lilly. What anyone else thinks of it is irrelavant. He also doesn't care about down rights. That's all part of the game. Nobody coddles him either. There's also plenty of us who do like him, but that's because we've gotten use to his quirks. I do have to agree that every time this almost gets put to bed you come on here and stir it right back up.
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on August 21st, 2007
- "Cretin". That after he has attacked me for two days, calling me much worse. Also, I did not even come here until he had already attacked me. I came back because it kept going. Now I am done.
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  by Arisztid on August 21st, 2007
- It's hardly unannounced if it's on his own post by the way. I think we can all agree that he has a right to post to his own answer. It's the same right we all feel we are allowed to exert. Plus if a comment thread was closed to only th epeople who started no other opinions would get on there and that's not what they're for. They're for debate or agreement no matter who that is.
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on August 21st, 2007
- You have made your position clear and, while I might not like it, it is your right to hold it.
  
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  by Arisztid on August 21st, 2007
- So am I, Ari. It was all unnessary. Everyone knows it too. You also promissed me you wouldn't do that. I don't care who did what to anyone. What I care about is two of my friends who have a lot in common are fighting over something silly. That's why I want you two to act like the gentlemen I know you to be and to shake hands and call a truce with apologies.
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on August 21st, 2007
- That is your right, Ari.
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on August 21st, 2007
- Want to make any bets as to BAM's ability to be a gentleman?
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  by Arisztid on August 21st, 2007
- Have you not been paying attention? I have already done so, then your other two cronies fouled it up.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- A partial apology.
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  2) Point farmers, you are all most certainly point farmers by my standards, I will not appologize for that.
  5)While perhaps not useless, you shoot out questions and answers like bullets from a vigilante.
  7)I have no idea what you are talking about in this instance. [the comment was: I shall be glad when you all go back to school, it's been nothing but worthless spittle since June.]
  8) [these are Pasobrio's words:] 8. There's no crime in jumping into a thread, but you tore off heads when you did it. Not good.
  
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  by Arisztid on August 21st, 2007
- 2) My standards are slightly behind. I will appologize for that.
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  5)This is not an insult, it is truth.
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  8)I tore no ones head off. You were continuing a question that was not appropriate for answerbag, it was a pity party that should have been ignored. Let me remind you that you have returned plenty of insults during this whole affair.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- I don't have to make a bet. i know he will.
  Alright, you two. Here's what we're going to do. I want you two to say "TRUCE". Fair enough?
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on August 21st, 2007
- This is going nowhere.
  
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  by Arisztid on August 21st, 2007
- I will say truce because I am tired of it but his "apology" is not complete.
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  by Arisztid on August 21st, 2007
- Good. It's a start. Apologies don't have to be complete just said.
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on August 21st, 2007
- Fine truce damn it but I doubt this peace will last.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- Pasobrio, this all started when BAM came into a thread he had NOT been a part of, and attacked us. No, he did not use names, but he did not have to, his targets were clear. From there, it escalated. I have neither asked for, nor demanded an apology. They would not be meant, so they would be meaningless.
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  by Keysha on August 21st, 2007
- Keysha, I already stated my opinion on this. If it's his post, which it was, he can respond to who ever leaves him a comment. That's what the threads are for. It's also what we all do. I'm not saying what was said was right on either side.
  I asked for the apologys for the sake of calming this down. Now do want to do that or do you want to keep fighting? The guys have already done it. The rest is up to you. I'm just acting as a moderator.
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on August 21st, 2007
- The tallysheets are not even and I am not seeking to even them. Any claims of equal culpability in this are false and, should someone wish to run those tallysheets, that would show.
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  by Arisztid on August 21st, 2007
- 100+++ points to you Pasobrio :)
  
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  by Anonymous on August 21st, 2007
- Goodnight and goodbye. Te bisterdon tumare anavA.
  
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  by Arisztid on August 21st, 2007
- Thanks, Tani.
  Ari, nobody should be keeping a tally sheet on this one. To me since everyone's feelings were hurt I would call that a draw no matter what was said by who. Since I hope you'll be back I'll just say "See you later."
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on August 21st, 2007
- The first attack was in a thread, the question asked by The Urban Spaceman, the answer by Arisztid. Those two, myself, and Lily Why were the only ones in the thread until BAM barged in with his attack. That is not 'responding to who ever leaves him a comment' because it was not his post to start with, nor his question.
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  by Keysha on August 21st, 2007
- The only thing I saw was on here, Keysha. Nobody ever told me about the Urban Spaceman thing. Plus the apology is for everything that was said.
  It doesn't please him one way or the other. And you know it doesn't please me.
  Nobody's trying to rule anyone here. Never have, never will. I did step in. I was harsh, but I did it because I thought I had too. I couldn't stand to see three of my friends fighting. And that's what it looked like to me. Three people I care about fighting. I'm sorry if you think I'm being bossy, but it is with good intent.
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on August 21st, 2007
- Pasabrio: The Urban Spaceman thing was copied & pasted on several occasions, Ari said it was the cause of this whole thing, it was linked several times, I referred to, it Christine copied and pasted it. here it is again: http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/1237974
  
  But, apparently, according to you, it's my fault because supposedly I was getting involved in something that was none of my business. Oh, irony. Only, even though you don't know me, I was insulted as well and had every right to stand up for myself and have my friend Ari's back as well.
  
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  by another other on August 21st, 2007
- I want everyone to hear my words so I am posting them here as well as in the post. The OP has left out a significant number of users.
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  by Arisztid on August 22nd, 2007
- This is not their fault: it is the fault of the educational system and, even though their writings might not be up to par by the manifesto and they might even not be able to get their thoughts across as well, they have the right to say what they want without criticism.
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  by Arisztid on August 22nd, 2007
- I believe that I have addressed all issues and, with that, I can copy this post to notepad, spiffy it up, and use it somewhere else with the OP's issues removed.
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  by Arisztid on August 22nd, 2007
- If this was something that you felt needed addressing then why didn't you suggest it rather than reject the entire thing? Notice how the constitution has sidemarks that indicate who wrote them and/or if they are still accepted.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 22nd, 2007
- I am not arguing with you. Your constitution has good points and I am not arguing that either.
  
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  by Arisztid on August 22nd, 2007
- I'm not arguing anything, I'm asking a question and pointing things out.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 22nd, 2007
- If you want, I can go through, non-hostilely, and tell you what I agree with and what I do not. I do not like answering twice in a question, however, which is why I have not.
  
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  by Arisztid on August 22nd, 2007
- This is why we are able to edit answers with the link at the top of each, simply remove and/or add on.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 22nd, 2007
- Oy, mine is too long already and what I said I stand by. The comment thread is ridiculously long. I shall put it in a second and ask for no points, please.
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  by Arisztid on August 22nd, 2007
- Done. Yup, about 1/2 hour. I asked for no points so that answer can probably be found in the "back 40" of this question.
  
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  by Arisztid on August 22nd, 2007
- Lilly, if this whole thing started on another post and people came here in order to use this to discredit him that's acting out a vendetta. Tho only thing I was ever made aware of was what was posted on here. According to the two of them this is where the whole problem started untill last night. It's also one thing to have your feelings hurt. To use it as an excuse to go after someone is BS. If you're in a debate or have a disageement with someone on one post you leave it on that post and don't go dragging it all over the Bag. Also everytime I was close to getting them settled you came on here just in time to mess it all up again. Now if your feelings were hurt say so. You also need to apologize for your temper getting the best of you. Nobody is blameless in this.
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on August 22nd, 2007
- Boys, that is better. There's no reason we can't discuss this in a calm and resonable manner and put a bad issue aside.
  And, Ari, you have in no way lost a freind over this unless you want too. I know I still count you as one. The die is in your hands now.
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on August 22nd, 2007
- Pasobrio, you said: "It doesn't please him one way or the other. And you know it doesn't please me."
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  Avatar Just Keysha - thank you Aug, 19 2007 at 06:55 PM
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  So, there you have it. He is happy at the thought of at least ME leaving. And you are right, nobody is blameless in this. INCLUDING YOU.
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  by Keysha on August 22nd, 2007
- He's blustering. You got his back up following him and he fired back at you. Just like you would in the same situation.
  The only blame I have here is in trying to get you guys to cut it out. Also if you knew what was going on in e-mails and IM's you would know that I told both guys they were out of line, but I'm sure you don't want to hear that part of it. I'm also going to tell the girls in this that they were out of line because it was the truth.
  You're doing the same thing Lilly is. You're doing things to keep this going. In case neither of you have noticed the guys have called a truce. Time to honour it.
  
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by anonymous on April 25th, 2007
your internet ego is astounding.

"men must be governed"

get out, please.
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- Your ignorance is what is astounding, what have you contributed here? Nothing, I suggest you "get out".
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on April 25th, 2007
- No fighting!
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on May 5th, 2007
- Too late, you'll find numorous stale arguments associated with this question.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on May 5th, 2007
- I'm still going to yell at you guys when you do. Remember debate is not only fine, but encourgaed. Just don't start yelling at each other. you all know better.
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on May 5th, 2007
- Lol, yes mother.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on May 5th, 2007
- And I hate to have to burst your bubble, C, but men do have to be governed. That's why we have laws. And Flyboy may seem arrogant, but he has the best interests of this site at heart. He carefully considers everything he posts and does very carefull reseach which is more then can be said for alot of people on this site.
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on May 5th, 2007
- Lol, Flyboy. I told alanpro I was his AB mom earlier today.
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on May 5th, 2007
- Lol, you are building me up too much.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on May 5th, 2007
- Not really. You stuff is so researched it's down right scary. And I know you do care no matter how hard to try to hide it.
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on May 5th, 2007
- Well I do hold accuracy to the highest regard. This site is such a great source of education, it would be a crime to pervert that.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on May 5th, 2007
- +6, coreoption. Nicely said.
  
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by Your Conscience on February 7th, 2007
But then you might take the fun out of answerbag, and how can you govern it. what makes you think you can choose between right and wrong.

I have a dream that one day these nations that make our beautifull world will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed:"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men (sorry ladies) are created equall."
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- Men must be governed. The fun is already being stolen from answerbag since an influx of beginners began asking idiotic question like "what does your mom look like?" Along with hundreads of duplicates because they do not know how to search for duplicates.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on February 8th, 2007
- +6'ed you last night. This does not sound fun, indeed.
  
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by Andy Is Wicked Married to Penal Colony on February 7th, 2007
Who is we exactly? Okay, what the hell. Better spelling and grammar and a ban on stuff sounds better as a text message.
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- Good points, and I was wondering who "we" was as well :)
  
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  by Anonymous on May 5th, 2007
- Me, myself and I of course.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on May 5th, 2007
- Now, cretin, you just admitted to being SELF APPOINTED judge, jury, and executioner. You just admitted to being a wannabe internet Hitler. I just thought I would point that out.
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  by Arisztid on August 21st, 2007
- You assume much from mere words, scum.
  
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by buzz123456 on May 5th, 2007
In my opinion this is idiocy, this is a joke right? This site is what it is because of all users, a few people with way too much time on their hands and who take this site way too seriously wish to form AB constitution. Just get on and go for the ride, quit whining, get out more!
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- This is the same thing I hear from every new user when they see a competant user praising or defending the site. Until you've come to the level, and I don't just mean "level", that the rest of the senior members have, you just don't understand. Botching up answerbag is perverting the greatest educational source there is an I personally do not appreciate it.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on May 5th, 2007
- perverting the greatest educational site ever, wow, guess I missed that on the way in. Thanks for, ah, well, ah........
  
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  by buzz123456 on May 5th, 2007
- I find it better than the american education system, but then what doesn't beat it these days?
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on May 5th, 2007
- Nicely said, buzz. +6.
  
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by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on May 5th, 2007
No more fighting. Any conflicts of opionion may not denagrate into full out name calling and bashing for any reason. Which means no more calling people gay or telling them they're crazy because you don't agree with them.
And when someone tells you enough it means enough. Especailly if your posting on their answer.
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- Aha, I shall christen this the pasobrian pacifist clause.
  
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- Thank you. I feel so honoured.
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on May 5th, 2007
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by Ender is back.. And slightly confused. on August 21st, 2007
I, personally, think this is a bad idea. Who are we to say what others can and cannot do? I don't think that one group of people should lay down guidelines for a whole community, especially in a condescending way.

Secondly, what defines idiocy? Lack of question marks? Bad grammar? What if someone doesn't speak English as their first language? Who's to say that lack of compassion and understanding isn't idiocy, or lack of a desire for peaceful and civil resolutions? We can't run around labeling everyone an idiot just because they make spelling mistakes.

I think that we should just continue along as we have, and continue to be helpful and understanding, not elitist and fascist.
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- yeah... what he said...
  
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  by Ocean is gone... on August 21st, 2007
- Ender speaks the truth.
  
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  by Kevin B. ABFB on August 21st, 2007
- I like this answer and I want to argue it further but I have three arguments already going. Stand by though, I'll get back to you!
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- Ender, Good answer.
  
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  by I love my baby on August 21st, 2007
- I think that if answerbag became too rigid people would feel less comfortable about posting questions and answers and it would hurt the community and make it harder to keep new members.
  
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  by Kevin B. ABFB on August 21st, 2007
- I agree, Kevin. The purpose of this forum is to encourage openness and willingness to learn and help. With a rigid set of rules, not only are we going contrary to the nature of the forum, but also to the basic concepts of Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Information.
  
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  by Ender is back.. And slightly confused. on August 21st, 2007
- It would be hard to keep AB if it got too bad.
  
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  by I love my baby on August 21st, 2007
- The purpose of the constitution is to produce clearity and protect the sanity of the inquiry.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- Clarity and the sanity of the inquiry? I'm afraid I don't quite understand. Could you please clarify?
  
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  by Ender is back.. And slightly confused. on August 21st, 2007
- Lol, even I don't know what I said. The constitution is the simplified version of the terms of use (which few people read), plus suggestions by the general population.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- If the "constitution" is meant to simplify the terms of use, why would anyone need to add anything to minimize "idiocy"? After all, I don't believe that the terms of use say anything about anyone's intelligence level, and I also don't believe that it says anywhere that the terms are able to be supplemented by public users.
  
  Secondly, why would one assume that the users in the AB community need governing? And who is going to be chosen to do this governing? After all, I don't believe that any of us in the community is unequal to another.
  
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  by Ender is back.. And slightly confused. on August 21st, 2007
- Obviously there are holes and no policing force so I'm confounded when users freak out about this. I disagree, everyone is unequal.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- If we need a Governor, I will. never mind... I like people! :)
  
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  by I love my baby on August 21st, 2007
- I think that the current flagging system does a good job at weeding out things that are unacceptable.
  
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  by Kevin B. ABFB on August 21st, 2007
- If there are holes, then it is up to the AB staff to adjust the terms of use accordingly. I have faith in their ability to judge what is acceptable and unacceptable behavior in the community.
  
  Secondly, a policing force? This brings me back to my comment about fascism and elitism. Who is going to be on this policing force? You? Me? Who's to say that either you or myself knows what is best for the entire community? A policing force would only attempt to control people's opinions and questions. This is completely unacceptable in a community that is supposed to be comfortable and free.
  
  And lastly, Thomas Jefferson said this: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
  
  I gracefully dissent, and restate my opinion that we are equal. The only thing that creates inequality is bigotry and prejudice.
  
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  by Ender is back.. And slightly confused. on August 21st, 2007
- Hold that thought, I'll get back to you.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- BAM, Think about it, maybe it is best if the staff trys to control it a little more.
  
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  by I love my baby on August 21st, 2007
- No, I meant that I'm still fighting three other people and I can't give you all the benefit of my fully well-thought out answer at the moment but I will soon. I promise.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- Good answer Ender. +6
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  I forgot that in my answer: there are non native English speakers here. There are also dyslexic members here. I am dyslexic and I can tell you that it takes some work to put out a correct post when my dyslexia is cracking. I reverse words, reverse letters in words, I drop words from sentences, and I can sometimes drop whole sections of sentences.
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  by Arisztid on August 22nd, 2007
- BAM and Arisztid, I am NOT getting involved, I am NOT going to comment, I just want to say one thing, I like you both,and so does alot of other's here. You two are both wanted on AB. I really, really wish you two could come to a truce. if it is not possible(if you are both adults, it is possible) just ignore each other.
  
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  by I love my baby on August 22nd, 2007
- When I said Te bisterdon tumare anav I meant it.
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  I am not fighting. I am saying something that is not related to the one I dismissed.
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  by Arisztid on August 22nd, 2007
- You say I am wanted on AB. After this, after the emails asking me to be tolerant and forgiving, after all of the ruckus, I do not feel wanted on AB nor do I want to be on AB other than to finish this up.
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  I am polishing up my answer for a few reasons: 1) so newcomers can look at it and think when they are slammed, 2) to save to my notepad for further rewrite, with any reference to the original situation removed, to be used on other websites where I see newcomers being slammed.
  
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  by Arisztid on August 22nd, 2007
- Perfect example of my dyslexia: I meant "This is a valid point that many people overlook".
  
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  by Arisztid on August 22nd, 2007
- I for one Arisztid, do not see the importance in perfection on a site like AB, if perfection was expected I would have never been allowed to begin. I personally have had alot of fun with you and Keysha, I don't want either of you to go.
  
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  by I love my baby on August 22nd, 2007
- I am returning to the Rromale.
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  I know that when I go back there, if someone attacks me, the kusthi folki are going to defend me. As it is, 3 did on this website: Keysha, Lili Why, and, at first, Tani (later not). Nobody else did other than supportive emails (thankyou by the way) and someone trying to get me to let him do what he wanted to me and not fight back... to understand and forgive him despite the fact that he was still attacking me. I know that when I am back completely with my own people that if someone attacks me, the whole lot of them are going to tell that person to shut up. We do not allow attacks on each other, you see. That is how it should be.
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  AB, itself, has shown its bad side in this. This is not the first time I have been attacked, but I decided that it would be the last time. I did not get recourse with AB regarding two of them so I saw no reason to bother with going to AB Staff and, yes, I sounded off.
  
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  by Arisztid on August 22nd, 2007
- As far as Keysha, she can speak for herself but due to the absolute certainty of her utterance, repeatedly, I can say she is not coming back. She, too, has been attacked. The day that the one who attacked myself, her, and lily why attacked, she had just been attacked on this board by another user.
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  by Arisztid on August 22nd, 2007
- Oh, I do not wish to be lax so I forgot that Shelby came to my defense. Pasobrio did as well at the beginning of the mess.
  
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  by Arisztid on August 22nd, 2007
- I'm sad that you're leaving Arisztid. I'm not quite aware as to the circumstances why, but you will be missed in my book.
  
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by Anonymous on May 5th, 2007
Having had a look at your amendments, I would suggest that as much as I think you are a great contributor BAM, this is going a bit far. It is nice that you want to make AB a better place, and I am all for good spelling and grammar, no text style questions, no capitals etc, but there is a much friendlier and more inclusive way to achieve this. We can direct new users with polite comments toward better online behaviour. Also do not forget that English is not everyone's first language on AB, and by cutting out people who are having trouble with English may mean that we lose out on valuable differing opinions. I like the idea of what you are trying to do but I think you are going about it in the wrong way.
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- As usual, you are right. Like communism, my concept is likely to fail if not implimented in its entirety.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on May 5th, 2007
- Cheers :)
  
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  by Anonymous on May 5th, 2007
- Indeed, have a drink for me. I am all out of wine.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on May 5th, 2007
- In a couple of hours I will do just that! Sadly it is only 2.30pm here :(
  
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  by Anonymous on May 5th, 2007
- That's unfortunate for both of us, it's 12:17 AM here.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on May 5th, 2007
- Enjoy your Sunday BAM, and good on you as well for asking a question that has generated much discussion :)
  
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  by Anonymous on May 5th, 2007
- Of course, I hope you enjoy yours as well.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on May 5th, 2007
- +6 Tani
  
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by Little Miss Dangerous on February 7th, 2007
I would add that

If you are going to down rate, make a comment as to why, unless of course you're a troll.

and

No religion bashing, regardless of faith or lack thereof.
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by Owner of the GD Universe on May 26th, 2007
"Eve ry lack of question mark in a question is an immediate downrate, no leniancy."
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Straight from the profile of His Majesty, BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk.
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Eve ry --> Every
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LENIANCY --> LENIENCY
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He seems to be demanding so much from others while making two errors in that same sentence...
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It only means one thing to me...
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- That's not my fault. From the HTML I used to type out that table, it caused the text to have an unnecessary space in between various words. I have no idea why. As for the misspelling, I apologize.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on July 1st, 2007
- It takes a real grown up to apologize for even the tiniest mistakes...
  
  You have earned my respect.
  Keep it up.
  
  You're such a nice person after all...
  
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  by Owner of the GD Universe on July 3rd, 2007
- Indeed, keep on ticking comrade.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on July 3rd, 2007
- Tick, tick, tick...
  
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by christine alyssa on August 21st, 2007
Sorry if I intruded on anyone by asking this, but what exactly is a "troll?" It was used servel times here, and I'm a "newbie" and have absolutely no idea what the term means.
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- You did it again. A troll is someone that downrates blatantly on account of past personal history (grudge generally) or downrates without a comment. The definition expands occasionally though,
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- A troll is someone who downrates questions/answers for apparently no reason and without explaining it in a comment or answer.
  
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  by Kevin B. ABFB on August 21st, 2007
- ok thanks, and yes, I typed in the wrong box again. Darn that little box
  
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  by christine alyssa on August 21st, 2007
- Do not worry about it Christine... it is a normal mistake no matter how long you have been on this website.
  
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by tomsims on May 26th, 2007
One cannot givern the ungovernable or minimize idiocy. It is a fact of life.

Murphy's Law # something or another: Nothing is fool-proof because fools are such geniuses.

Thomas Jefferson - That government governs best that governs least.
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- Indeed, anarchy is the way to go.
  
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by Cowboy-Matter of Fact on May 5th, 2007
Minimalization of idiocy is a task yet to be perfected. Please don't try this at home.
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- Elimination is impossible, minimalization can be achieved.
  
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by shopaholic on February 7th, 2007
NO trolls if you want to give something a negative rating you MUST give a reason.
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- Some of the questions people put on are so intentionally offensive they shouldn't be surprised if they get downrated. Heck, it doesn't bother me if I get downrated without a comment; I put up opinions that are contrary to the mainstream media's line of bull, so people who think that the New York Times only prints the truth and that ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN are telling it like it is will think I'm too stupid to bother talking to and downrate me for that. I haven't experienced being downrated for no reason at all.
  
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by Anonymous on February 7th, 2007
Who is "we"? And how are "we" going to enforce the rules? Is this something the staff is going to help enforce, or is it like the numerous "Anti Troll" clubs?

I'd be for it if the staff would help enforce the rules and standards.
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- We is any sane person that is against this new development of idiocy on answerbag.com
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on February 7th, 2007
- OK, I am for it. But to enforce it somehow the staff has to be involved it seems to me. Post something on the Blog or in email to Joel and see what he thinks would be my suggestion.
  
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  by Anonymous on February 7th, 2007
- If we can formulate a solid plan then we can take it to the staff. The U.S. constitution wasn't drawn up in 10 minutes and tossed in the mail. I've already begun below.
  
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by Jewel on August 21st, 2007
I think it is a stupid idea. There are already rules and some forms of enforcement. I don't agree with vigilanties. Especially on an internet site.
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- Nothing is enough.
  
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- Sometimes simply adding more is too much.
  
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  by Jewel on August 21st, 2007
- Rarely.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- Thankyou, Jewel.
  
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  by Arisztid on August 21st, 2007
- No thanks necessary. A bad idea is simply a bad idea.
  Vigilanties have their place, but this isn't it. This idea is like a toothless dog. A stinky one. Useless and offensive. Noisy and ineffectual. Why do something that isn't going to matter except to offend some users and be so unenforceable as to be laughable?
  Setting the rules is up to AB, and enforcement is their absolute territory. We are users. Nothing more. Make your own website if you want to make the rules for one.
  I mean no offense to anyone, but I do find this idea offensive.
  
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  by Jewel on August 22nd, 2007
- I explain all of my beliefs about this in my answer to this question. When I said "Te bisterdon tumare anav" to him and later "Te bisterdon tumare anava" to him and his supporters, that precludes me arguing with them or slamming them in any way, by the very nature of that utterance. I do not utter that phrase lightly because it also puts limits on my behaviour. I would like to go into it but I cannot because of that utterance.
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  I believe that my words on the matter are clear and they are up for everyone to see. Anyone who reads that answer and the comment thread shall easily see my opinion.
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  by Arisztid on August 22nd, 2007
- He keeps saying he's ending it but of course, he always comes back. Quite inconsistant.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 22nd, 2007
- Is this a truce or not?
  
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  by Arisztid on August 22nd, 2007
- I don't know, is it? Everytime I turn around, the comment light is on again and I always know it's one of you continuing to slander and complain.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 22nd, 2007
- It is to me.
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  I am not slandering you. I do not see how I am. No more arguing.
  
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  by Arisztid on August 22nd, 2007
- Indeed.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 22nd, 2007
- Agreed.
  
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  by Arisztid on August 22nd, 2007
- Ari, being your friend is my pleasure.
  As for "the thread", I support your stand.
  Your arguements against this constitution are clear and sensible. I agree with you.
  I answered this question because the idea of this goofy list of rules offends me personally. I felt compelled to finally jump in and post my own point of view.
  Maybe it will all end soon and we can all go back to feeling like friends with everyone again!
  
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by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on May 6th, 2007
Got another one. Anyone caught harrassing another member is to be immediatly placed in the penalty box.Oh, and as your rating goes up your ability to point goes up by five points.
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- I think you might be crossing into the area where only the staff can control but good thought.
  
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- Thank you. I was thinking of Swatch on this one.
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on May 6th, 2007
- I fully support this one, Pasobrio.
  
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by duchovney on May 5th, 2007
well i am an idiot dont do it
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on May 6th, 2007
- You are not an idiot. :) +6
  
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  by Arisztid on August 21st, 2007
- Best answer so far! I wish I could give you 100+ points! Your answer alone proves that you are not an idiot.
  
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by Arisztid on August 22nd, 2007
This is my second answer so, please, no points upping me. Points down are fine but I do not want anyone thinking that I am aiming for points, which I am not. I am answering BAM's request for me to break it down.

Emotions off, brain engaged.

First, I am removing the paramilitary rhetoric from my consideration. That rhetoric is the main problem with this document, in my opinion. You cannot have a paramilitary state within a q & a format.

Here we go:

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Bill of rights:

**AMENDMENT 1 (DISCOVERED TO BE VOID AND FRUITLESS)

Users below 5 may not ask questions because users below that level don't generally know how to formulate questions properly.

-------this would have driven away newcomers who could have provided decent input. Newness does not mean idiocy or vapidity.

**AMENDMENT 2

Trolls will be considered sub-humans and will be prosecuted from the full extend of the senior members opinion.

-----agreed and I wish that could be implemented.

**AMENDMENT 3

Users shall check the archives against any possible questions they may fathom to ask.

-------agreed to a point. The problem is is that this is very weighty and cumbersome. Also, some of these questions have SO many pages of answers as to render just reviving them to be useless. Also, if the question has not been asked recently then it really does have validity to being asked again. I am not talking about vapid questions... I am talking about the weightier ones.

Again, I have trouble with the word "shall" because nobody can command another person to do anything.

**AMENDMENT 4 (The Anderson construct)

All users will use spelling and grammar to the best of their ability in place of any "sub-par language".

-------disagreed. Now, I do not like reading chatspeak or leet (or whatever it is called) but I do not mind someone who has a problem with the language but who is trying. I stand by my comments on that in my original answer: http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/1244338 . It is at the end of this sucker so, well, scroll.

**AMENDMENT 5 (REPEALED)

All members must manditorily join the anti-troll squad, any user found outside the group is considered a heretic and a troll.
http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/94065

------ agree with the repealing, disagreed with the original stipulation. Nobody should be asked as a stipulation of being in compliance with this document to join any other group.

**AMENDMENT 6 (LMD Article)

Any negative rating given must be accompanied by a comment why such rating was given.

-----agreed. And I usually follow this and, yes, I violated this precept when I negged your amendment post. I do owe you an apology for not commenting. I actually thought I did but I went back and looked... I had not.

**AMENDMENT 7 (LMD Article)

No religion (or lack thereof) shall be riddiculed.

-----agreed, and I would add "race", "sexual orientation", etc. to that list.

**AMENDMENT 8 (BAM Construct)

Each new user is allowed three "moron" questions.

Examples:
(wat do you know of my idol jonny depp heart heart heart)
(What does your mom look like)

Guide: http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/112069

----- as far as the first example you describe, agreed that it is annoying. The second is not annoying to me. However, nobody has the right to say what another person can ask. Questions like this do not get great response. The asker is going to learn, from reaction of the board, that this is not wished.

I do not like the fluff questions myself but they have every right to ask them.

**AMENDMENT 9 (BAM Construct)

All questions must have a question mark. (?)

-----agreed that it is grammatically correct, disagreed in insisting upon it.

**AMENDMENT 10 (BAM Construct)

Direct sources from other media outlets (sites, books, etc.) Must be credited.

---agreed that they SHOULD be cited when used, disagreed that they MUST.

**AMENDMENT 11 (The melissa clause)

Names and/or e-mails should not be placed in a question.

----agreed, with some exceptions. Sometimes members are congratulated for various things. Agreed stronly that questions asked to attack users by name should not be allowed. AB DOES delete those quickly.

**AMENDMENT 12 (Inquisition clause)

Answers and/or questions should not be typed in all capital letters.

----agreed that this is annoying.

**AMENDMENT 13 (Anti-hole clause)

Qustions that seek confirmation of an opinion will no be tolerated.

I.E. "Does anyone agree that My Chemical Romance ROCKS!!!!!!"

----- agreed that this is annoying, disagreed that this will "not be tolerated". This is a good suggestion but insistence is not within yours, or my, rights.

**AMENDMENT 14 (Pottle Defense)

Inferences of random opinion should be excluded from questions.

I.E. "Is there any truth to the rumor that Vin Desiel is gay? Cause I have a hard time believing it. He is too hot for that!"

----- Agreed that it is annoying.

**AMENDMENT 15 (The Mathers institute)

All users must supply their own avatar or use one provided by answerbag.
Any stealing of avatars is prohibited and warants downration until a change is made.

------AGREED 100%.

**AMENDMENT 16 (The Landlord's rage)

Comments to the answerers of the asker's question go in the comment area below each answer, not in a new answer.

----this is often a glitch or an error. Some newcomers have not gotten their confirmation email and others, like me, sometimes f*ck up.

**AMENDMENT 17 (Yahoo Treason Clause)

Having a Yahoo Answers account and an account on Answerbag is playing double agent and considered treason.

------Disagreed. There is no rivalry between AB and Y!A... at least as far as the membership is concerned. Now I HATE Yahoo answers but it is not playing favorites to be on both. Everyone has the right to post wherever they wish.

**AMENDMENT 18 (The deaddrunk sobriety clause)

Large masses of text that do not address the question or support the answer detract from the answer itsself, making it subject to downration.

-----I cannot agree nor disagree about this. I have seen it done but also, if you read those long answers, often there IS cause for the text. Also, in the answerer's mind, that text might be needed for explanation.

**AMENDMENT 19 (pasobrian pacifist clause)

Arguments to the point of insults are pointless and frowned upon, such things are qualified to be downrated.

------- agreed! And, yes, I usually do this and, yes, I did not follow my own advice. I do not apologize for what was said, but I apologize for popping my cork.

**((AMENDMENT 20 (pasobrian pacifist clause)

Multiple accounts are forgiven as long as only one is in constant use and one is not used to give points to the other.

-----Agreed but I do not know how this can be determined. I guess that is a big "who know" to me.

**AMENDMENT 21 (pasobrian pacifist clause)

Trolls may only be downrated for acts of trollery, not from prior knowledge of trollery.

----Agreed.

**AMENDMENT 22 (Gracin's revenge)

Users may not beg for points in answers, questions or comments. Such action subjects the user's contribution to downration.

---- I find this annoying as H*ll but I would not say "may not". That is where this document and I come into conflict.

**AMENDMENT 23 (Edict of Gracin and pasobrio)

Answers to PG 13 questions may not deviate to a level of inappropriateness.

EXAMPLE:

What was your most treasured memory?

this time i was with this hot #@$# and she took my !@%^#$^ in her @$%@$%@# behind a 7-11 and then all my buddies put their @%@%&^$^ in her @#%@#Y& then she took a @^&*%@ on my chest and then.....

-----agreed. I do not like the thought of the young on this site being subjected to this. Again, I disagree with the use of the phrase "may not". It should be implemented and I wish it could be but nobody can stop another from posting. Instead, report the daylights out of those.

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Here is my opinion, summed up:

This cannot be enforced and is off-putting with the rhetoric of "may not", "must not", and the like.

It has many good suggestions but that is what they are... suggestions.

It has many that would put a stranglehold on newcomers. I disagree with that. It is better to guide someone with a gentle hand than smack them with a police baton upside the head.
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- See, I knew we could talk about this and not fight. I fully agree with alot of what you said, Ari. I've even told BAM I don't care for the restrictions on newcomers since we all come here looking for answers. Or at least I know I did. As for the rhetoric he put those in just so it looked offical. It's also the way he talks. He's a formal kind of guy. It's also a work in progress.
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on August 22nd, 2007
- By the way what do you think of the "Pasobrio Clause"?
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on August 22nd, 2007
- Anderson construct (4) "use of grammar and spelling to THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY". I just wanted to point this out, other than that, I agree with your comments.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 22nd, 2007
- I'm still getting seriously trolled from this question.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 22nd, 2007
- Bloody good to see this question back, BAM. It did not deserve to be "nonsense".
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  To answer your question, yes... I had not caught the "to the best of their ability". That removes my objection to that passage.
  
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  by Arisztid on September 19th, 2007
- Yeah, the Constatution is back!
  See, more progress. I love it.
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on September 19th, 2007
- I have no clue why it was deemed nonsense and wrote via the feedback link.
  
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  by Arisztid on September 19th, 2007
- Excellent job bringing these things back comrades, I'm wading back in but I'm sure we shall converse soon.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on October 13th, 2007
- Good we miss you.
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on October 13th, 2007
- I'm sure we've discussed how foolish and superfluous that is but if you must....
  
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by I love my baby on August 21st, 2007
Idiots (foolish and stupid) have rights too.
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- That's not an acceptable contribution.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- Oh.. you are trying to get rid of them, correct? Who will be the judge of what is considered idiocy?
  
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  by I love my baby on August 21st, 2007
- The general acceptance of idiocy is the standard. Such as "what do you think I look like?" as a question.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- Very good point. Who's to say what "idiocy" is?
  
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  by christine alyssa on August 21st, 2007
- If you can't tell the difference then you may be suspect.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- How could one judge what it is? We actually have a category for such questions.
  
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  by I love my baby on August 21st, 2007
- Outside the bag? I find nonsense in there all the time but the mods won't touch it in that "sanctuary".
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- I have seen some really idiotic stuff myself, but don't you think it would get out of hand?
  
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  by I love my baby on August 21st, 2007
- Not really.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- BAM, I haven't ever looked at your profile until just now.Are you saying if someone is not a perfectionist in English, you will DR? How long do you think answerbag would last? I doubt perfectionist would open up too often to ask very many questions, not near enough to keep AB going. Seriously, I enjoy answerbag, I like helping and I like learning, but my English is lacking quite a bit, so I would not be allowed on AB?
  
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  by I love my baby on August 21st, 2007
- I am not a perfectionist, nor do I hold others to that standard. The extreme lack of proper grammar is what irks me. "wat do u thik of mi boifrend(pic incide)" (Note the lack of question mark.)
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- I apologize then, I thought I read it in your profile. Question marks to me is standard, I agree.
  
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  by I love my baby on August 21st, 2007
- They should be automatically added by the site when questions are asked.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- I just don't know, I have had many of my own idiotic moments.
  
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  by I love my baby on August 21st, 2007
- Ah well, everyone has a few. I had my own within the first day of joining.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- Oh me too... I was straightened up real quick. I argued for an hour I think about not being a troll, I didn't even know what a troll was except it was a bad thing. :)
  
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  by I love my baby on August 21st, 2007
- Lol, I was confused at the terminology used here at first also but you learn over time.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- Usually, faster than we expect.
  
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  by I love my baby on August 21st, 2007
- Indeed.
  
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by buzz123456 on May 5th, 2007
You want to form this constitution because this is a wonderful, insightful site but you go by cyberscrewed.tk and have a link to suddendeath.tk which claims to be the place where the most pointless things are discussed, where fu*k is every second word and everyone hates America, ah kinda contradicting is it not?
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- Lol, so you see the fallacy of my struggle. That site is outdated, I need to shut it down and start again. The comparison is like night and day, answerbag to learn, my site(s) to detract from your new-found intellect.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on May 5th, 2007
- I think I prefer your site anyway, I hate everybody too, except women who are nice to me, so, whens the violent porn gonna be up and running? lol
  
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  by buzz123456 on May 5th, 2007
- That title always puts off people, they furrow their brows and prepare to call me a pervert. It is merely a site building resource that is, for the most part, stagnant.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on May 5th, 2007
- huh!
  
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  by buzz123456 on May 5th, 2007
- Trust me, I almost slapped him simple for Violent Porn till I figured out what it was. Then I laughed my butt off.
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on August 22nd, 2007
- Calm down folks, I do believe that the site is completely liquidated.
  
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by christine alyssa on August 21st, 2007
How is stupidity so far from retardation? Just a simple question? It's still degrading and hurtful to whoever is on the receiving end of it.
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- Stupidity is lack of sense and/or education. Retardation is the lack of ability to learn or grow in some way. This is not an acceptable answer by the way.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- christine, I wouldn't use the word if it was talking about retardation, I promise.
  
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  by I love my baby on August 21st, 2007
- By the way, I meant to put this in a comment, but mistakenly typed it in the wrong box. Thank you for stating what is "accpetable", what can I say, I am only human.
  
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  by christine alyssa on August 21st, 2007
- An honest mistake.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- Agreed christine. +6
  
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  by Arisztid on August 21st, 2007
- Unless his name.... is right? http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/1253387
  
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  by I love my baby on August 22nd, 2007
- Indeed.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 22nd, 2007
- Who and How.......... did this comment get moved? someone somehow, moved a comment of mine to another answer? WTH?
  My comment was to answer babycake when she said Arisztid was gone from the site, I said he is back, unless the "says goodbye for good" name is right, it wasn't on this thread at all.
  
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  by I love my baby on August 22nd, 2007
- Phantom comments, curious.
  
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by another other on August 20th, 2007
I'm no hatemonger. I was recently on a forum that had such nazi-like policies. A moderator goaded me into an argument by saying rude, presumptuous things about me (I was just asking a question about a city) and when I responded saying his behavior was unappreciated (no use of swear words) he (because he had the authority of moderator) deleted my post and claimed that I had made a 'personal attack' against him. After reading the TOS, I came up with quite a few violations that he had made as well, but I had no authority. That site was whack, policing every statement that was made on there and sole discretion was given to moderators who apparently had only been on there a few months themselves. I don't think we want AB to turn out like that.
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- *applauds* and +6
  
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  by Arisztid on August 21st, 2007
- Thanks. Don't go.
  
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  by another other on August 21st, 2007
- I'm sorry that happened to you. No, we don't. We try to keep things as freindly as we can. That's not saying we don't have disagrements. We do. When it happens we try to cool it down as fast as possible.
  
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  by P. W. Pasobrio loves Marines on August 22nd, 2007
- Pasobrio: I appreciate your pacifist policies, but blaming me for it continuing is bullshit and really unkind of you. I had more business saying my peace in that situation than most who got involved, and what you didn't see was other people writing me asking me to see what was written on this post, asking me to get involved. I don't know how it in your eyes was just about the two of them when I was never offered an apology and that wasn't important to you. You didn't know the whole siutation so you shouldn't have been involved telling who needs to apologize ... that's really just your opinion and none of your business.
  
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  by another other on August 22nd, 2007
- Actually, Lilly, I saw what you wrote. It seemed as if the only time you put your two cents in was to start things back up not only to me, but to other people who wanted to step in and the other people involved. Also I asked for everyone to apologize to everyone on that. I also laid blame at everyone's feet who was doing the fighting. And since I have been in constant contack with both Ari and BAM for three days I know a lot more then you think I do. I stepped in to stop the fighting since it's not appreciated here. Also as everyone has stated anyone can come in on a comment thread at any time and state their peice. They are not closed conversations. Post it on the net and you have no right to privacy.
  
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by N_T_P sleeps with fishes on May 6th, 2007
all negative ratings should be backed up with a comment !!!!!
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- I believe we've already covered that, but if not I shall add it.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on May 6th, 2007
- sorry BAM cannot over emphasise it, just gets under my skin! :)
  
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  by N_T_P sleeps with fishes on May 6th, 2007
- Indeed, myself as well.
  
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by Kevisaurus is a Carnotaurus today on May 5th, 2007
There is a new category to flag questions:
Unoriginal or Similar
This will help to weed out questions that would have slipped through the cracks before because they were not duplicates or nonsense.
Stupid questions do not belong.
A good crazy thought type question belongs if it is original and well thought out.
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- I am merely a user, not administration. Talk to Joel about the question flagging, he is up for suggestions.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on May 5th, 2007
- I saw that you had a lot of submissions on the former blog.
  I know.
  I guess this is an executive decision and not one which belongs to the cyber-house of representatives.
  
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- Lol, indeed.
  
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by Spyder on May 5th, 2007
"AMENDMENT 4 (The Anderson construct)

All users will use spelling and grammar to the best of their ability in place of any "sub-par language"."

lol... you're banned, Bam.
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- Crud! I've used that phrase too often, what is the proper use?
  
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by Roger Kovaciny on May 26th, 2007
This is an idea, not for the constitution, but it would make AB more popular. I have nothing to add in categories like computers, electronics, sports & recreation and a few others, and am not interested in seeing questions. Could AB be programmed so you could reject entire categories of questions? Almost everyone would be able to read questions that interest them at least 25% faster.
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- The variables hidden inside each catagory would mean that there is at least one good question inside so it would effectively eliminate something that might be useful.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on May 26th, 2007
- You're right, BAM, but I can't read half the questions as it is. Eliminating certain categories would mean that I wouldn't have to read 200 questions to find the single one that I might have something useful to say about. And especially the way some questions get hundreds of answers and moved up to the top each time, and I have to read it every single time I log on... this is preposterous.
  
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  by Roger Kovaciny on May 26th, 2007
- I wish there was a way to have a truely thought provoking question float to the top again without adding a superfluous answer.
  
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by buzz123456 on May 5th, 2007
You forgot to shut down the link in your About me
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- Bah, what do I care if people want to look.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on May 6th, 2007
- free advertising! :0)
  
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  by buzz123456 on May 6th, 2007
- I suppose, just look at my name!
  
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by Esteban-- Smart ass Pumpkin on May 5th, 2007
i want a too many words does not make a better answer ammendment. Brevity people. Be succinct.
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- Ouch, I must be in violation already.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on May 5th, 2007
- yes, you are.
  
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by Just another bagger on August 21st, 2007
NOOOO!

Were told what to do all day at school and work, then when we get home, told what to do by parents and wives, AnswerBag is the one place we can escape! Dont do it!
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- We deal with riddiculous ammounts of crap all the time, something has to hold it back.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- Other users always put you straight if your wrong anyway! We dont need a governing body, AB moderates itself! ok ok If your really out of line the Mods will ban you for a week so, No there is already to much restriction to what you can say already. Long live freedom of speech!
  
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  by Just another bagger on August 21st, 2007
- I guess you don't understand fully.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- What do you mean?
  
  Also, This question impies to me, that you feel superior to 'idiots' as you put it...
  
  I feel even possible silly questions can generate interesting alternative routes of discusion?
  
  What 'idiocy' are you refering to?
  
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  by Just another bagger on August 21st, 2007
- It's quite simple. Are you an idiot? If not then you are superior to them. While silly qustions may lead to alternative routes of discussion, they are not beneficial to the education of the reader or the site. This is not a chat room and this is not myspace. This is an educational institution.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- I dont come hear to be educated thanks just hear alternative views and socialise, sometimes I DO learn something I didnt know.
  
  I was educated at University to 'A' level standard, so I dont need a jumped up little ass-muscle like you telling me what should be on AB...
  
  If the moderators dont get a complaint, its a valid question, wether or not you approve I should think most people wouldnt give two sh1ts....
  
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  by Just another bagger on August 21st, 2007
- Oh I see. You're "one of those people".
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- Weak. What does 'one of those' mean, little man?
  
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  by Just another bagger on August 21st, 2007
- I have finsh conversing with you if it is going to be condescending.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- 137 IQ and you cant spell finished? End of convo, Troll.
  
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  by Just another bagger on August 21st, 2007
- I was in a hurry and the IQ is 135 troll.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- My feedback rating - 100% positive
  
  Yours - 74.... I think out of the two of us, you would win Troll Factor ;-)
  
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  by Just another bagger on August 21st, 2007
- Compare the time spent on answerbag.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- That does not represent a Troll. No more, you are a fool.
  
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  by Just another bagger on August 21st, 2007
- Ridiculous.
  
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  by BAM@Cyberscrewed.tk on August 21st, 2007
- You are. agreed ++++
  
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- +6
  
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by duchovney on May 5th, 2007
well i am an idiot dont do it
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by the general on May 5th, 2007
it sounds like a great idea,why not have a panel of twelve answerbaggers,picked by election,to sit as a kind of jury.if the majority of this jury decides that certain questions are unworthy of answerbag,then they go to that great cybershredder in the sky.
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- That would have worked two years ago but now there are way too many questions constantly flowing in. The current system eliminates "waste questions" eventually but as with all voting systems, it is slightly flawed.
  
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