Are republican governors who turn down stimulus money unpatriotic?

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• Good answer. +4 :-)

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  by 1858 Remington 1-21-13 on February 25th, 2009

• Thanks, Steve. :)

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  by Dmitri on February 25th, 2009

• Please explain how a little socialist policy is wrong when unrestrained capitalism caused this problem?
  
  Capitalism under the proper regulation and appropriate tax policies is a good thing. Capitalism without restraint ALWAYS results in a depression and extreme distribution of wealth with multimillionaires minority one side, poverty for the minority and a greatly diminished middle class.

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  by Ron C on March 16th, 2009

• Socialism, in all doses, is bad for America. Capitalism is the key to success with a democracy. Corruption has become so rampant in our society that capitalism has been made into a teeming cess pool that was kept under wraps for a long time. By the fact that Obama is choosing or at least allowing socialism to creep in, he is, in fact, admitting that he chooses to go with socialism instead of reform capitalism. Corruption must be minimized for capitalism to work as our Founding Fathers intended. Socialism can stomach copious amounts of corruption.

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  by Dmitri on March 16th, 2009

• There is one quote that sums up the bigger issue of the rise and fall of civilizations. Civilization begins when the power of love replaces the love of power. You need only invert that quote to realize the destiny of a nation bent on raw power, and the underlying reliance on money to solve all our problems.

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  by Dmitri on March 16th, 2009

• I am very intrigued as to how things will be in 2012. Will America see Obama as not the one they thought he was and realize their error, and go with someone less socialistic, or give Barack four more years? There is still hope.

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  by Dmitri on March 16th, 2009

• The way things are going with Obama, within his first six months people will start to realize that Obama is a very big mistake and he will only be a one term president. Let's hope. :-)

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  by 1858 Remington 1-21-13 on March 16th, 2009

• Just imagine if it were John McCain and the dumbest govener in the U.S. His decision was to keep doing what we've been doing. At least we have a guy with a plan.

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  by Ron C on March 16th, 2009

• Oh yeah, Obama sure has a plan alright. He plans to totally destroy America as we know it and turn us into a socialist country. That sure sounds like a great plan, huh.
  Welcome to the new USSR. United States Socialist Republic

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  by 1858 Remington 1-21-13 on March 16th, 2009

• That attitude is scary. It's too late for Obama to destroy the U.S. Bush got their first. Everything he touched was degraded or destroyed. That includes, economic, education, science, international diplomacy, and even the justice department.
  
  Bush makes Benedict Arnold look like a patriot.

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  by Ron C on March 16th, 2009

• No, Bush didn't destroy America, It's the damn liberal democrats running the country that's destroying America and now Obama wants to install his radical socialist agenda. Yeah, that's really scary. Get the facts straight.
  Most Americans felt safe while Bush was president, now with Obama as our president, we're not feeling safe any more.
  Barack Hussein Obama - First President of the new USSR.
  Yup, I sure hope my attitude is scary, yup, I sure do!

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  by 1858 Remington 1-21-13 on March 16th, 2009

• The PROGRESSIVES haven't been in power for ages. The neocons have had veto power for the previous eight years. They they have controlled the agenda and passed their own laws throughout the Bush years. They started two wars, are directly responsible for the deaths of more than 5000 American soldiers, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, and loss of respect for our country throughout the world, and you call Obama dangerous.
  
  I suspect that "conservatives" think he's dangerous because he's not an old southern white guy. I'm not religious but I am tempted to pray that people that think like you never regain power. The U.S. has fallen far, with neocons back in power we are likely to hit the bottom and sink in to the mud of history.

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  by Ron C on March 17th, 2009

• You're DAMN right I'm calling Obama dangerous. With him signing the stimulus bill, that put America in debt for generations to come. With Obama getting soft with the terrorists (yeah, I still call them terrorists, is there a problem with that?) is putting America in jeopardy of being attacked on our soil again. Bush kept us safe, Obama is putting us in harms way, and that's dangerous. For the last two years of Bushes administration the damn liberal democrats has been in control of congress and that's when the problems started.
  You say that we killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis? Now that is ashame, we should of killed millions of Iraqis.
  Now Ron, let's get one thing straight here. The conservatives are NOT playing the race card here, the damn liberals are. Like I said before, get your damn facts straight. We don't like Obama because of his radical agenda, not the color of his skin. YES, Obama is very dangerous. And now for some strange reason, lots of democrats are seeing that.

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  by 1858 Remington 1-21-13 on March 17th, 2009

• 1858 Remington you are my hero

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  by OttoZone on March 17th, 2009

• I will second that, OttoZone. I first wanted to jump in and back up Remington, but he flat doesn't need my help. I put $20 on Remington. How bout you Ottozone? :)

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  by Dmitri on March 17th, 2009

• :-)!!!

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  by 1858 Remington 1-21-13 on March 17th, 2009

• Remington, if you have a corner, I am there with a water bottle and a cold rag after each round. Go get em, champ!

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  by Dmitri on March 17th, 2009

• Hey Daijin, Thank's for being there on my side, but no, I don't claim no corner, I'm standing center ring and holding steadfast. (that way I have my choice of all four corners, you know, for justin case.) Well get enough people together and start our own brigade. :-) Do you know about the Tea Parties coming up on April 15? America is fighting back and those who support Obama will be the ones that will be hit the hardest. :-)
  http://www.americansolutions.com/General/?Page=a6386a2f-6bb2-4ee5-b230-b46b54c887e4

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  by 1858 Remington 1-21-13 on March 17th, 2009

• Americans have a shorter attention span than I thought. O.K., I get that you don't like the stimulus plan. What is the alternative? I think I will make this a question. It deserves a wider audience than just the comment section.

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  by Ron C on March 18th, 2009

• That works too, Remington. I do now know about them. I will try to corral as many troops for our cause, old friend! While I do, we need a name for this brigade of ours, huh? We can both brainstorm on that and get back to the other when we got a good one. I believe an alternative would be what Bush did at the start of his initial tenure. He had tax cuts, instead of stimulus package after stimulus packages.

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  by Dmitri on March 18th, 2009

• OK Ron, this will be plain and simple, because that looks like it will be the only way you will be able to understand it. "What is the alternative?" Well Ron, the alternative is "free enterprise", "Capitalism", "Smaaaaaal G o v e r n m e n t" (I'll type it slow so you can grasp onto it) and do you know what really works? "Tax Cuts". WOW, such a simple solution, and guess what Ron, IT DOES WORK.
  So Ron, you can make this a question and see what happens, but you will find out the the cards are stacked against you.

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  by 1858 Remington 1-21-13 on March 18th, 2009

• Daijin, things are in the works all over America because people just like us are getting tired of this redistribution of wealth, nationalized medicine, giving bonuses to failed AIG employees, and the thought of loosing their businesses and wealth to big government. The Tea Parties will be on April 15, and that's just the start. :-)

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  by 1858 Remington 1-21-13 on March 18th, 2009

• Amazing, Remington. Where have I heard that before? Small government, tax breaks, big bonuses for the guys that put us here. I think I heard little george say that. What we got were tax breaks for the top 1%, stagnant or lower wages for people that actually work for a living, Homeland Security, and the biggest expansion of government in history. Oh, I almost forgot a medicare drug plan that pays retail for drugs and a provision to prevent pressuring drug company for quantity discounts. Oh yea, I feel safer. We went from a country that was, at least, respected to one that had a government like one of those African dictatorships and the laughing stock of the world.

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  by Ron C on March 18th, 2009

• That is certainly good news, Remington! (passes remington water bottle, gives him a pep talk, and pushes him back into the ring) :)

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  by Dmitri on March 19th, 2009

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• No, it seems more that that they see what their party wants them to see.

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  by MRMacrum on February 26th, 2009

• Very good answer Remington. Those who think otherwise aren't actually looking at the "whys". The governors have been very honest about why they don't want to take this money and the reason is good.

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  by Lori K still ignores stalkers and trolls on February 26th, 2009

• Thank you Lori K :-)

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  by 1858 Remington 1-21-13 on March 15th, 2009

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• Exactly :-) +4

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  by 1858 Remington 1-21-13 on March 17th, 2009

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• Good point. I can't imagine them getting re-elected.

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  by killdrphil - reasonable for a madman on February 25th, 2009

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• Don't you wonder why? The reason is that accepting the money now will require the states to raise taxes to fund these programs later. The money is a one time thing while the programs will continue. As Barbour says “Subject to learning more, my position is that Mississippi won’t accept funds that require us to have a tax increase later, because [they would force] us to change our rules for qualifying for unemployment compensation,” he said.

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  by Lori K still ignores stalkers and trolls on February 26th, 2009

• Oh, so I suppose cutting taxes and making government smaller will fix the deal? What got us here? If the stimulus package doesn't work, then you have a beef. Helping to make it not work? Then you're an obstructionist.

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  by Gene H on February 26th, 2009

• You obviously live in a bizzaro world. How can anyone debate that kind of mindless inanities? Keep on spending. Drive up the debt. Let's see how that ends up fixing all our woes. (Isn't that what just collapsed our financial institutions? Get a clue.)
  
  http://newamericanteaparty.com/

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  by Lori K still ignores stalkers and trolls on February 26th, 2009

• Like spending on Iraq? Why is neo-con spending on a war a good thing but Mr. Obama spending to correct neo-con mis-management bad? Clue? Who needs a clue? 4 more years? The answer is you.

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  by Gene H on February 26th, 2009

• (From the Wall Street Journal) Polling data show that Mr. Obama's approval rating is dropping and is below where George W. Bush was in an analogous period in 2001. Rasmussen Reports data shows that Mr. Obama's net presidential approval rating -- which is calculated by subtracting the number who strongly disapprove from the number who strongly approve -- is just six, his lowest rating to date.
  [Obama's Poll Numbers Are Falling to Earth] M.E. Cohen
  
  Overall, Rasmussen Reports shows a 56%-43% approval, with a third strongly disapproving of the president's performance. This is a substantial degree of polarization so early in the administration. Mr. Obama has lost virtually all of his Republican support and a good part of his Independent support, and the trend is decidedly negative.
  
  A detailed examination of presidential popularity after 50 days on the job similarly demonstrates a substantial drop in presidential approval relative to other elected presidents in the 20th and 21st centuries. The reason for this decline most likely has to do with doubts about the administration's policies and their impact on peoples' lives.
  
  There is also a clear sense in the polling that taxes will increase for all Americans because of the stimulus, notwithstanding what the president has said about taxes going down for 95% of Americans. Close to three-quarters expect that government spending will grow under this administration.
  
  Recent Gallup data echo these concerns. That polling shows that there are deep-seated, underlying economic concerns. Eighty-three percent say they are worried that the steps Mr. Obama is taking to fix the economy may not work and the economy will get worse. Eighty-two percent say they are worried about the amount of money being added to the deficit. Seventy-eight percent are worried about inflation growing, and 69% say they are worried about the increasing role of the government in the U.S. economy.
  
  When Gallup asked whether we should be spending more or less in the economic stimulus, by close to 3-to-1 margin voters said it is better to have spent less than to have spent more. When asked whether we are adding too much to the deficit or spending too little to improve the economy, by close to a 3-to-2 margin voters said that we are adding too much to the deficit.

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  by Lori K still ignores stalkers and trolls on March 15th, 2009

• Don't you wish any of this were true!

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  by Gene H on March 15th, 2009

• You think the Wall Street Journal is lying or are you just indulging in denial?

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  by Lori K still ignores stalkers and trolls on March 16th, 2009

• You will read into things anything you want. Less than 100 days into the guy's presidency you want to vote him out of office. You neo-cons had your shot and what we got was what we have. Either help out or shut up. You'll have another chance, though that might be quite a while from now. People are genuinely pissed at you guys.

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  by Gene H on March 16th, 2009

• Please stop attributing your fantasies about the wet-dreams of others to me. I never said anything about "voting him out of office". As to "helping out", that is exactly what I am doing by not following blindly when I see someone making a mistake -- a potentially tragic one -- for our country.
  
  Of course, you'll simply continue name calling and insults. It's what people like you do when simple facts are put in their face and they don't want to hear them. Continue sticking your finger in your ears and/or burying your head in the sand. I'll continue letting people and the emperor know that he's standing there naked.
  
  Now, you can call me all the names you want, and unsubscribe so that I don't feel tempted to try to put a little sense into your head. That would be truly fruitless. You can't plant in a salted field and expect to grow anything.

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  by Lori K still ignores stalkers and trolls on March 16th, 2009

• I'm killed!

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  by Gene H on March 16th, 2009

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• thats funny

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  by my2cents--Vote for Paul on March 15th, 2009

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