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If it weren't for the death of Jesus, do you think people would still be stoned to death for collecting sticks on the wrong day?
by buttman on March 26th, 2011
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Does anyone have any idea the damage that religion has done to mankinds mind ?
by wayne500 on December 30th, 2010
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What people do you refuse to coexist with?
by former member151654646 on March 25th, 2011
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Does believing in god to accept failures dim the light we dawn upon our relationships with humanity?
by pearloaf is not yelling and dreams of bal on March 14th, 2011
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Does God really watch everything we do-even when we're having sex or taking a crap? Doesn't that sound a little creepy? Or voyeurism?
by buttman on January 4th, 2011
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You're reading Why didn't God give Adam and Eve the Ten Commandments as soon as they were banished from the Garden of Eden?
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Hmmm. Are you trying to say that Adam and Eve were offered by God the type of salvation as presented by the Apostle Paul? When you say "the full truth of salvation" do you mean the "Gospel of Grace" through belief in Jesus Christ, his death and resurrection?
by Bella on February 15th, 2009
Precisely ... that's what I mean.
Adam and Eve were taught the teachings, spirit and commandments of Jesus.
They were taught faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and repentance.
It would seem, therefore, that they also had the Gift of the Holy Ghost.
Adam, Seth, Noah and Enoch, etc were among the greatest most spiritual prophets that ever lived.
The problem for us is that the very 1st record we have in the [saved] books of the Bible are those few written by Moses.
But Moses did not even arrive here until 1000+ years before Christ.
But what of the first 2000 years on earth??
Moses gave the 10 commandments merely to a people who had been enslaved by more than just shackles!
Most of them had also assumed much in the culture and worship of the heathen.
God gave them "a schoolmaster" to prepare them for His Son's greater work later.
by denidowi on February 16th, 2009
Your logic seems to cancel itself out. Where is your evidence? There is no text in the Tanakh to support your beliefs here. It's all warm and fuzzy to believe that ancient peoples somehow new Jesus may come in the future and their faith in him millenia before his arrival would save them, but this is pure fantasy. Bible story after bible storey clearly convey that the only type of salvation offered before Jesus was either the salvation of a nation (ie Israel) or a quick save from impending physical death that will inevidably come anyway. Salvation to a location in the afterlife, ie heaven, is nowhere mentioned. Unless of course you are Elijah where the criteria is that you have to be alive to enter heaven.
by Bella on February 16th, 2009
But thanks Denidowi for giving an answer - I do appreciate that. :)
by Bella on February 16th, 2009
Bella, thanks for your response.
No ... as I said, there is nothing in the Bible on the prophets, Noah, Seth, or Methusaleh, etc., knwing of the goodness of the Gospel of God and of the eventual coming of the Messiah, because there are no books that are in the Bible which were actually written by these early prophets.
Nevertheless, we know through a living prophet today, who has received guidance and revelation concerning these marvellous doings of God.
You see, what you have to get fully in context in your head, is that the only reason Moses and the Old Testament prohpets, who were AFTER Moses, could only give the law of carnal commandments was as I said, earlier - that they were not ready to receive the pure Gospel of the Good News.
BUT ... the earlier people - before the Israelites lived in Egypt, were being taught of the Messiah to come (in fact, many prophets, even of the Old testament, also, did preach of this Messiah), but those before Noah and the many other held the Melchizedek Priesthood, and the Melchizedek Priesthood was only available for the ordinances of Christ's salvation.
Whereas AFTER Moses, only one man was the Lord's High Priest, after this Melchizedek order, at any one time in ancient Israel.
by denidowi on February 17th, 2009
Your views are not of Christian orthodoxy. So I'll be bailing on this conversation. I only really know Christian theology and doctrine. Living Prophets are not my thing so I won't argue with you. You have also contradicted yourself too many times for me to make sense of what you are trying to say. All the best. :) x
by Bella on February 17th, 2009
Well, that's a real pity, Bella ... that you should leave such a wonderful opportunity to learn and discuss the spiritual - matters that are from On High and from above the usual, sometimes shallow, plane of most that you would hear.
I can only wish you all the Best also, seeing as you are bombing out on us.
You are right, though.
No ... it's not "orthodox"!
Nevertheless, it's real ...
AND it is Wonderful ... and of God.
by denidowi on February 17th, 2009
Actually - I'm bombing out because you don't make sense and you cannot string a sentence together. :)
by Bella on February 17th, 2009
No, I think it would be probable that your English skills are not really up to it.
I teach English - even advanced classes.
Some of this stuff I speak of is quite revelatory, and therefore, if you do not your best in using both modern and 'the Queen's' English, you will be left behind.
Also, if I speak via the Spirit of God, at times, you will also need to be tuned in to the Holy Ghost to properly comprehend, because if it given by the Spirit, it must be received by the Spirit.
BUT ... all you have to do is be humble enough to ask, when you don't understand something.
You see, sometimes I also use the most efficient way of expressing something. This may mean I omit unnecessary words that others might generally throw in.
by denidowi on February 18th, 2009