by Lucky_Marty on January 19th, 2009

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How does Israel get away with what they have done to the Palestinians?

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by .avallach on January 19th, 2009
If you're referring to Hamas, people in that region have been launching hundreds of rockets into Israel. Hamas has a habit of blending into (as in, hiding behind) the civilian population, making it difficult or impossible to distinguish between someone who is militant and a bystander.

Israel's response may have been heavy-handed but when you're surrounded by countries who'd love to see you completely destroyed, that tends to happen. I doubt any country in the world would have simply stood by and allowed its neighbors to continually launch attacks against their population on any level.
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- Am I missing something? The Jewish people were basically given Palestine (now known as Israel) by the US and GB in 1947, meanwhile the Palestinians were forced to look on as the Jews got more and more powerful. The US gave them an atomic bomb! Now Palestinians are forced to live as second class citizens in their own country. Hamas can only do so much, but if your country had been a victim of such a huge injustice then wouldn't you do the same? Sometimes you can't just have a peaceful chat about something to solve a problem, they need to send a message, unfortunately for the Palestinians they cannot compete with the force of Israel. Jews took 86% of Palestinian land, throwing them out of their homes and segregating them.
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  by Lucky_Marty on January 20th, 2009
- So you're suggesting that Hamas' terrorism is justified?
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  by .avallach on January 20th, 2009
- Perhaps American Indians should start blowing up our homes and buildings too.
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  by .avallach on January 20th, 2009
- Are you aware of the fact that Hammas has been labeled terrorist by the US and Israel and they are the elected government of Palestine? What if the world now decided that the US and Israel were the terrorist? Why do you people cherry pick your fact?
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  by Mephistopheles on January 20th, 2009
- Everyone in this debate has always cherry-picked their facts.
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  by Grandma Roses - my avatar is my real dog on January 20th, 2009
- Unfortunately, it's not just this debate but the whole country. They all seem to blindly believe anything & everything the government tells them. Sad, very sad indeed
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  by Mephistopheles on January 20th, 2009
- The word terrorist is used too lightly, I would personally label them freedom fighters. What you Americans did to the Native Americans is terrible but what you have to realise is that the Palestinian injustice is still fresh and has close ties to every Palestinian alive today, be it their grandparents, parents, or them first hand. The American government f-ed up once again and now innocent people are suffering for no reason.
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  by Lucky_Marty on January 20th, 2009
- To me, a group that indiscriminately fires rockets into a civilian area, not targeting the military, then hides among their own civilians to make it impossible to strike back without civilian casualties is a terrorist. Call me old fashioned.
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  by .avallach on January 20th, 2009
- I agree with you to an extent, but at the end of the day you have to go to the root of the problem. What would you do if you were in their position?
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  by Lucky_Marty on January 21st, 2009
- Negotiate. Talk. It seems like every time people in that region of the world sit down and actually talk, things tend to go well until someone fires a rocket or sets off a bomb, then they fight again.
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  by .avallach on January 21st, 2009
- Avallach: perhaps you should research the rockets the Palestinians are using and then, you would realize why it's all the more wrong what the Jews are doing. The whole rocket thing is a jocket. These are homemade rockets that land anywhere but on their target, they're little more than firecrackers, toys. Those so hipped about rockets have killed a total of 20 people in 8 years versus what the US backed Israeli power has done: more than 1,000 people in 2 weeks - mostly innocent children and women. How's that for an eye for an eye?
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  by Mephistopheles on January 21st, 2009
- How about I fire a few of these things into your neighborhood and wait and see how long it takes for people to get mad at me?
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  by .avallach on January 21st, 2009
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by Prunesquallor on January 20th, 2009
Unfortunately in the US there has been a great deal of denial about the situation in Palestine. Perhaps now the Israelis have used phosphorus bombs on children in a UN-run school, that might change the general perception in the US. The situation with the Palestinians has been dragging on for years, years of suffering, and it is a disgrace to humanity.

I hope that now Obama is president, Americans might become more aware of what is happening over there, and will not give such unqualified support to what is, despite the justifications, a brutal regime.
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- Absolutely! Also, people choose to see only certain things and a very small pic, nobody looks at the entire issue and why it is the Palestinians are firing home-made rockets at Israel
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  by Mephistopheles on January 20th, 2009
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by Yarnlady is happy every day on January 19th, 2009
There are not very many countries interested in "policing" the rest of the world, and if there were, they would have clamped down on the Palestinians a long time ago for constantly violating the cease fire they agreed to in the first place.
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- The US want to police the world when they see fit (when there's oil involved) but the Palestinians only agreed to a ceasefire because they knew that they couldn't compete with the force of Israel and the US, but they were never happy with this and only want justice.
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  by Lucky_Marty on January 20th, 2009
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by trouble... on January 19th, 2009
They "get away" with it because it's legally and morally justified.
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- Do some research and you will soon find that it isn't. If somebody came into your house threw you out and took everything you owned and then from your garden you threw a rock at the window of your former house, then the new occupant of the house shoots you in the leg, is their response justified? By what you just stated, it would be.
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  by Lucky_Marty on January 20th, 2009
- The Israelis have been there for 60 years and have a right to live there too. Israel is negotiating with the Pal's in the West Bank, gave them 98% of the land they wanted during the Clinton admin only to have Arafat instead launch the intifada, and are now defending themselves against thousands of rockets.
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  by Amorphous Blob on January 20th, 2009
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by kittie on January 19th, 2009
The fighting has been going back and forth for thousands of years.
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- Arab states have only started disliking the Jewish community since 1947 when the US and GB handed Palestine to the Jews. Before this there were no problems between these peoples.
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  by Lucky_Marty on January 20th, 2009
- GB was only one in 1947 but thank you for the downrating
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  by kittie on January 20th, 2009
- Sorry for the downrating, no offence intended ;)
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by Grandma Roses - my avatar is my real dog on January 20th, 2009
They have a powerful ally in the U.N., the U.S.A.
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by Mephistopheles on January 20th, 2009
The same way that the US gets away with what they've done to the Iraqis. One day, however, it's all gonna catch up to them and it won't be pretty
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by maS elcnU on January 20th, 2009
Zionism is evil. The Palestinian holocaust in front of numerous blided eyes around the globe.

My 2 cents.
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- Full Israeli citizenship for many Palestinians, negotiations for an independent state of Palestine, and seeking to remove the threat of thousands of rockets fired into your country is not a holocaust. Duh.
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  by Amorphous Blob on January 20th, 2009
- Come again?
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  by Mephistopheles on January 20th, 2009
- He said that the Palestinians were being subjected to a holocaust. I pointed out some facts that indicated that this was not the case.
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  by Amorphous Blob on January 20th, 2009
- Stay away from television to get a clear picture of the biggest concentration camp in the globe: Palestinian Territories. All of the media cartels are own by Zionist jews. You will only see one side of the coin.
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  by maS elcnU on January 20th, 2009
- Honest question - do you also think that Jews drink the blood of non-Jewish babies?
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  by Amorphous Blob on January 20th, 2009
- Look up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September_in_Jordan
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  by Amorphous Blob on January 20th, 2009
- I think you're way off the top here. I still don't understand whether you're condoning or not the invasion and call it what you will, it is a holocust or do they Jews now own the right to that word too?
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  by Mephistopheles on January 20th, 2009
- If you meant me... All countries, all groups of people, do crappy things, but people have this weird hatred for Israel, when the Arab states have done so much worse to their own people. When someone starts going off on the Zionist Jew-controlled media, you have to wonder what else they believe, eg, the "blood libel" that Jews make their unleavened bread from the blood of Christian children.
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  by Amorphous Blob on January 20th, 2009
- I'm not condoning the invasion per se, but it's justifiable for self-defense. It would be wonderful if Israel hadn't felt compelled to invade to stop the rocket attacks.
  "...do the Jews now own the right to that word too?"? What other words do they own the rights to? Or, what do you mean in a larger sense? That's a very odd thing to say, and my initial impression is that you mean that Jews are laying claim to... what? No idea.
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  by Amorphous Blob on January 20th, 2009
- Yes, I meant you and NO, that's the problem with Israel - just like the Christians whenever things are not going their way, they scream "ooooh, we're so persecuted" and that takes care of everything - the Jews scream the same (wonder who learn that trick from whom here?) and go on to utter the unspeakable words "holaucust" and "anti-semitism" and all bets are off
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  by Mephistopheles on January 20th, 2009
- The reality is that the Jews have wondered the Middle East and then the world since the beginning of time, kicking everybody's ass, oppressing and doing horrible things. The good hypocrites that they are, nobody is supposed to notice much less do anything in return. When somebody does, not only do they bomb the living shit out of them but then...please refer to above...
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  by Mephistopheles on January 20th, 2009
- The Jews are fuckers at their best. They don't have anything they haven't brought upon themselves with their evil ways and their self-righteousness and the world somehow feels like they own them something when reality they don't. Funny thing is that if ever the US were to turn their back on them, they'll go after the US and fuck them as viciously as they've done everybody else
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  by Mephistopheles on January 20th, 2009
- Arabs doing whatever to their people is one thing. That's an internal conflict and their problem. The Jews trying to do it to them is a whole different problem and everybody else should be worried about it and not support them for it. They're not entitled to absolutely nothing more or nothing less than the rest of the world is
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  by Mephistopheles on January 20th, 2009
- Sounds racist. I can't change that about you, though. And ignorant - biblical Israel was conquered several times by outside powers. After they were scattered throughout Europe they were forced to live in ghettos, subjected to pogroms and general discrimination.
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  by Amorphous Blob on January 20th, 2009
- The invasion is no self-defense it's a murderous attack on defenseless people and anybody that reads so much as one paragraph into that conflict can see that. You and the rest of the blind people have chosen to see this one incident. How about the past 60 years? We just overlook that and say ok, that doesn't count? Or are y'all really that gullible that you believe there's no history here? If anybody is defending themselves that would the Palestinians. Do yourself a favor and educate yourself on the matter. Things are turning around and, hopefully, one day soon, you'll be embarassed you ever took that biased, unilateral and blinded position
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  by Mephistopheles on January 20th, 2009
- What's there to "notice" except them removing the threat of missiles. With overwhelming force, yes, but directed at Hamas' military wing. Do you expect any country to apply only the amount of force so that equal numbes of them and their enemies will die?
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  by Amorphous Blob on January 20th, 2009
- Our comments are crossing - I'll let you respond and get back tomorrow.
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  by Amorphous Blob on January 20th, 2009
- About the recent attack on Gaza - it was to remove rockets. Why would Israel attack civilians and not Hamas' military wing? They dropped leaflets warning civilians of impending danger, before the invasion.
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  by Amorphous Blob on January 21st, 2009
- About the previous 60 years - yep, Israelis moved in, uprooted the Palestinian locals, and started their own country. Arabs w/ Israeli citizenship enjoy much greater freedoms than in most, if not all, Arabic countries. Should Israelis today be forced to leave the country where they've lived all their lives and built a country? We need a solution where they can stay, too, and also with an independent Palestine. But if a de facto independent territory (Gaza) is striking you with rockets, you have a right to respond.
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  by Amorphous Blob on January 21st, 2009
- I'm not being sarcastic here, or trying to score points, but please do yourself a favor and drop your hatred. Anybody can see that not all Jews are "fuckers at their best", that not all people of any group are bad. Hatred is what is keeping wars going; it feeds on itself.
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  by Amorphous Blob on January 21st, 2009
- Hamas military wing? ROFL! A bunch of poor goat fuckers with homemade rockets than can best be compared to firecrackers are a military wing? That's the funniest thing - albeit pitiful - I've heard all day, dude!
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  by Mephistopheles on January 21st, 2009
- In reply to your second comment, please refer to my first. The attack was not to remove anything but simply to show force in anticipation of their upcoming elections (they're slipping in the polls) and Obama's inauguration and to regain the clout they lost with the ass-kicking they got in Lebanon
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  by Mephistopheles on January 21st, 2009
- Those so tooted rockets (which by the way, you should research what they are so that you can see the joke), have killed 20 people over the last 8 years. The Jews murdered 1,000 - mostly women and children - in 2 weeks. It's a good thing that they're so appalled by genocide and injustice, eh? I'd hate to see them if they were a vindictive and hateful group cause they would have blown up the world by now
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  by Mephistopheles on January 21st, 2009
- I dunno, you tell me, if it's unfair for the Jews to live the country where they have lived for the past 60 years, how could they ever expect the Palestinians to give up the land where they have lived for thousands of years? Or is 60 more than thousands according to your Christian math?
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  by Mephistopheles on January 21st, 2009
- Yeah, well, I don't buy into that whole thing you've been spoonfed about the attacks and self-defense. If anybody is attacking that's Israel, if anybody is acting in self-defense, that's the Palestinians
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  by Mephistopheles on January 21st, 2009
- If seeing reality and standing up for what's right makes me hateful, then, let it be, it is what it is. If you think that by screaming 'holocaust' and 'anti-semitic' I'm gonna turn the other cheek and pretent I can't see, you're wrong. A fucker is a fucker is a fucker, whether he's a Jew, a Christian, a Muslim or an Atheist and in this case, the Jews are the fuckers
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  by Mephistopheles on January 21st, 2009
- If in the eyes of someone who has been spoon-fed what to think and to believe, I'm an hateful, that's all the better. I'd rather be hateful than ignorant, biased, blind and unable to think for myself. I've lived inside the monster and I know it's insides. I'm sure you haven't!
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  by Mephistopheles on January 21st, 2009
- I'm not a Christian, but destroying Israel would be trying to right a wrong by another wrong.
  Thanks for your clarification on all humanity being fuckers! ;)
  But seriously, you're arguing for your hatred because you love to be right and you love the emotional charge you get against those you think are wrong. But someday the hatred is all you'll have left.
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  by Amorphous Blob on January 22nd, 2009
- Whatever. Look, if there's one thing I've learned is never to argue with Fundies and Republicans - you are both and I've broken my rule and you've proven me right, yet one more time. You can continue your fruitcake argument till hell freezes over and I'll continue hating, being an asshole, a bigot, a racist, anti-semitic or anything else that you can think will win you the argument. It's too bad that intellectual dishonesty doesn't hurt cause you and your brethren would be in excruciating pain right now! So, have a good one and don't let the door slam ya on the ass on the way out!
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  by Mephistopheles on January 22nd, 2009
- I'm not a Christian, much less a fundamentalist.
  I'm not a Republican.
  I'm not trying to argue, I'm trying to discuss.
  I'm no longer trying to persuade you that your opinions about Gaza are mistaken.
  See ya.
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by Amorphous Blob on January 20th, 2009
How do Arab countries get away with what they have done to the Palestinians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September_in_Jordan) and their own people (despotism, corruption, economic incompetence)?

http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/5281598
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by Moongrim on January 30th, 2009
It's quite simple: The Palestinians are reaping what they've been sowing for 60 years.

http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html
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by Ec-nal Licensed Bootie Inspector on January 20th, 2009
There are too many people here in the states who would oppose the U.S. seriously intervening yo...
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by lizvelrene on January 20th, 2009
I don't care who's right and who's wrong, the blatant slaughter of civilians has to stop. U.N. Peacekeepers, where are you?

Can we just shoot that parcel of land into space and rehome everybody or something? It's never going to end!
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