What I am asking is if leap year had never been started then what would todays date really be? You must stop to think if leap year had never been started todays date would be different then what it is now alot of days would be taken away

The calendar followed by the majority of the members of the rather minuscule Parsee community in India and elsewhere (and to which I belong) has 365 days in a year, and no leap year adjustment. Though the provision is there, our ancestors forgot about it for several hundred years.

There is therefore a forward shift every four years. For example the birthday of a 20-year-old person will be about five days earlier than the true birthday according to the Gregorian calendar. I say "about" five days, because it could be four, depending upon how close to the next leap year s/he was born.

The advantage here is that we get to celebrate two birthdays every year - the first one with the family, and the second one, a few days later, with friends. Now isn't that nice?

A small part of the community have retained the leap year adjustment, and so for them the calendars always synchronise. Sad for them, for they can celebrate only one birthday in the year.

It's not really possible to answer that because we have always taken into account that the number of days in a year is a bit over 365 since prehistoric times.

The leap year as we know it today was introduced in 45BC
(before that an extra month was used every now and again instead, following the lunar cycle)
If for some reason, Julius Ceasar had forgotten to account for the extra quarter day every year, then 2053 years would have passed without leap years.

Under the Julian calendar there would have been 514 leap years in that time, including 2008.
The introduction of the Gregorian calendar got rid of ten days that had erroneously built up immediately, and since then we didn't have a leap year in 1700, 1800 or 1900. So we've gained 501 days worth of days since Ceasar, and without the leap year you would have been asking your question on August 1, 2007

Yes, I do agree; If NO LEAP YEAR WAS IN USE TODAY AND WAS NEVER PUT IN BACK IN 42-43bc IT WOULD BE ; JUNE-JULY 2008 OR CLOSE TO IT. Thank you, EPS. eps1950@cox.net