by Anonymous on January 8th, 2007

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Do you want "under God" out of our pledge?

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  • by Aristocles on January 8th, 2007

    Aristocles

    I'd like it out, just as it was originally.

    Although we're not certain who wrote the pledge, it is believed to have been an American journalist who was a Socialist [edit: it was Francis Bellamy]. The God reference was not included in the original version, as it was added by Congress in an Anti-Communist 1954.

    Look it up, maybe someone can give more info.

    [edited again to get rid of extraneous parentheses]

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  • by Inspector Javert on January 8th, 2007

    Inspector Javert

    Yes, I do. I know trolls will rate me down, but I don't want it in the pledge.

    One of the main reasons our country was formed was so we could have seperation of church and state. By having that, I feel you are violating my rights and the rights of any other atheist or anyone who beleives in a different god.

    I don't see why I should have to say that I live in a nation under god, when I don't beleive one exists.

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  • by msummers10 on January 8th, 2007

    msummers10

    Absolutely not.

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  • by six2dfax on January 8th, 2007

    six2dfax

    Leave it be. God is a euphemism for higher power, it's use can have numerous connotations.

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  • by FreshApples on January 8th, 2007

    FreshApples

    no, i am a christian so therefore i believe it. athiests may not agree, but they don't have to

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  • by anonymous on January 8th, 2007

    anonymous

    No reason to take it out.

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  • by guitarman18 on January 8th, 2007

    guitarman18

    Absolutely not. And it doesnt matter if they take it out or not, I will still say it and mean it in my heart.

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  • by stingiam on January 8th, 2007

    stingiam

    we wouldnt have a nation if it were not for GOD..... so there for NOOOOO.....

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  • by Midnighttoker on January 9th, 2007

    Midnighttoker

    i'll still say it.

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  • by Nom de guerre on January 8th, 2007

    Nom de guerre

    I honestly don't care, one way or another. There are far greater issues to worry about, in my opinion.

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  • by Tantric on January 21st, 2007

    Tantric

    Absolutely not.

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  • by Anonymous too on January 13th, 2007

    Anonymous too

    No.

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  • by Phil in the Blank...backandtotheleft on October 18th, 2007

    Phil in the Blank...backandtotheleft

    Yes I believe the phrase "under god" is against the first ammendment's establishment clause which prohibits the law from religious entanglements. It was fine up until the 1950's so put it back the way it was before then!

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  • by Norman_Outside the lines on June 15th, 2007

    Norman_Outside the lines

    NO, and I don't want it off of money either !

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  • by Tantric on January 21st, 2007

    Tantric

    Absolutely not.

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  • by FadingxSmiles on January 8th, 2007

    FadingxSmiles

    I don't think it should be taken out. Yes, I am an Athiest, but the right to obmit it is given to me. I would like to see it taken out, but I think people would still say it out of protest, so there really is no point.

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  • by anonymous on January 8th, 2007

    anonymous

    No, it's only says it once and it's not like it's a bible verse it's just " under God" and that's it. It's not as if you have to say the pledge all day you say it once in the morning and maybe once at an assembly what's the harm. When I was in middle school and high school we didn't say it at all, execpt at assemblies.

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  • by EarthAngel on January 9th, 2007

    EarthAngel

    No. Why change the words to the pledge? If people don't believe in "God",then they should really have no problem with the words.It's really just a pissing contest over our freedom of belief and speech.Why should one group of people be made to change their belief in the words "under God". Nobody is making a non believer,start to believe just because of the words in our pledge. To me,if you're going to change the words to the pledge,then hell why not change the entire constitution?(note the sarcasm).I don't understand why it's so important for some people to force their lack of belief onto others by trying to remove the words "under God". I know many non believers of God,and they don't have a problem with the words in our pledge because they say that "they are just words" to them. Non believers do have the freedom to not believe,but why make the rest of society cater to what they want,when they have the freedom to do what they want. Who cares if they don't like the words to the pledge. I don't like the words to a lot of rap songs,but I'm not willing to take away their right to write them. The pledge of allegiance is part of our history. I DEFINITELY DO NOT WANT IT REMOVED OR CHANGED IN ANY WAY. Anyone who does not like our country has the freedom to move to another country any time they like.

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  • by teknimage on January 8th, 2007

    teknimage

    Personally, it doesn't really matter to me, but I can understand the reasons some people want them removed. The words were not original to the Pledge Of Allegiance, being added by Congress in 1954 after a successful lobbying campaign by New York City's Knights Of Columbus. They were added to imply that we, as a mighty nation, were also a humble people. I think they could have probably found a better way to go about getting that point across, but the words were a product of the time.

    I think we have placed too much emphasis on this issue for the wrong reasons. The Pledge has been changed before, to reflect different attitudes and understandings of the American people, so why not now? We used to salute the flag at attention with our right arms and hands outstretched, but this looked too much like a Communist or Nazi salute, when those were encountered, so we naturally sought to correct this, to ease the conscious and separate ourselves from those uncomfortable associations.

    So why not remove "Under God"? It's not original, it's out of step with the foundations of our First Amendment, which not only ensures freedom of religion, but also freedom from religion, and some have valid concerns regarding its inclusion in light of our continually evolving understanding and compassion towards those of different faiths, religions, and lack-thereof.

    I think, as usual, people get overly caught up with the vessel, in this case the words, and lose sight of the far more important intent. This is why I don't have a personal stake in this argument. I don't need words to prove my allegiance to this country and the ideals upon which it was created. I will have that regardless.

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  • by That Guy Again on April 7th, 2008

    That Guy Again

    No, not at all for many of the resons stated above.

    What surprises me is that many people miss something else in the pledge.

    "...to the Republic for which it stands..."

    That's right folks, we do not live in a Democracy, we live in a Republic. We don't hve a vote in everything, we elect representatives who should (and often don't) follow our desires.

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  • by MrBLT needs to be contained on July 31st, 2007

    MrBLT needs to be contained

    Nope - I like it just fine the way I learned it in grade school - and the US currency(in god we trust) is cool with me too.

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  • by SWE3TxKiSSESx on June 18th, 2007

    SWE3TxKiSSESx

    NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!. And this is coming from someone who is not christian, catholic, methodist, or any branch of that. There is too much pressure on society to do what is "politcaly correct" I understand that not everyone believes in one god. I don't. just why ruin something that hasn't become an issue until we became the "politcally correct society". Before long, there are going to be very few things that we can say.

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  • by 8 Jan 2004-10 Dec 2009 on March 20th, 2007

    8 Jan 2004-10 Dec 2009

    I want it changed to a blank where people can either name the divine being of their choice or, if Agnostic or Atheistic, remain silent.

    Barring that, take it out. Either that or begin all Republican conventions with a reading of Marx's Communist Manifesto and all Catholic masses with a few verses from The Satanic Bible.

    While I personally am not offended by the mention of God, there are enough who are that it just isn't worth keeping in.

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  • by Babe5612 on April 8th, 2008

    Babe5612

    I have had this very same discussion with my children at least once a year for the past several years. I'll tell you what I always have told them. You say it exactly as it was written, out of respect for the people who founded this country, it was not written based on YOUR beliefs! But on the beliefs on the people who came here, after great personal/mental/physical sacrifice to give you the right to even raise such a question!

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  • by Penny The Wise on July 25th, 2007

    Penny The Wise

    I believe it should be taken out. Not everyone believes in god, so then it should be Under god, allah, buddah... and on and on naming all of the dietys. That IS what americans want right? Oh by the way, Happy HOLLIDAY because I can't say christmas anymore. (It's not christmas I know, but it makes my point funny and random)
    I don't believe in god, so I shouldn't have to say "one nation under GOD." Neither should the people who believe in another deity.

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  • by SillySusy on April 5th, 2007

    SillySusy

    nope

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  • by Mind Fart on March 20th, 2007

    Mind Fart

    Yes, common logic should keep god at your chosen place of worship, and politics in the public eye. We the people look to both of these institutions to educate, protect, support, and simply better our lives. These rights are everyones, but often only a small minority are privy to the true freedoms these upholders of society and morals have to offer. They should be keeping each other in check, not keeping the public in checkmate. I also feel that untill the UNITED States of America can prommise a bit more to my children they can keep the pledge out of the schools.

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  • by Aelfward on January 21st, 2007

    Aelfward

    No.
    But I WOULD like continued seperation of church and state. A government ruled by religion is a truly frightening thing, as history ably proves.

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  • by curious on March 29th, 2008

    curious

    No I do not

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  • by The Doc on March 29th, 2008

    The Doc

    Absolutely not.

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  • by unknown on February 20th, 2007

    unknown

    No. I do not.

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  • by Fizzy_12 on February 20th, 2007

    Fizzy_12

    This country was built on Christian values and it is a Christian country, and if you dont like it then you can leave and go to some Communist country where they hate God and hate freedom.

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  • by Anonymous on February 3rd, 2007

    Anonymous

    HELL"S NO!!!!
    If athiest don't want to say the pledge they could skip the verse or include, lucifer or whatever they want.
    No offense to others, but I'm tired of this being such a controversy.

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  • by RockAngel on January 8th, 2007

    RockAngel

    My uncle in the vietnam war by passed a frail looking woman in a village. She then proceeded to push a 12 inch blade into his back pack. Luckily his buddy shot her from 20 yards away. He came home to tell this story only once. All he heard at night was the sound of prayers hopeing God would get them home. It should stay one Nation under God. Why take that away from them? If you don't want to say it, don't. That's your right. If I want to say it, I should have the right to without having to defend my right. Easy, move on.

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  • by The Doc on April 8th, 2008

    The Doc

    Absolutely not. This country was founded by God loving men. Just because we, as a country, have decided to let our moral values slide into the tiolet does not mean we have to take it to such extremes.

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  • by Ec-nal Licensed Bootie Inspector on March 29th, 2008

    Ec-nal Licensed Bootie Inspector

    Naa yo...

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  • by FaerieWhings on March 7th, 2008

    FaerieWhings

    I see nothing wrong with the orginal wording of the pledge:

    I pledge allegiance to my Flag,
    and to the Republic for which it stands:
    one Nation indivisible,
    With Liberty and Justice for all.

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  • by - M.C.S. - Dave on August 23rd, 2007

    - M.C.S. - Dave

    No for with out Him what truth is there?.......M.C.S.

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  • by Halliburton Shill on August 22nd, 2007

    Halliburton Shill

    Yes, remove it. It was slipped in as some sort of dumb propaganda-like reply to Communism and, for some reason, never removed. Of course, as mentioned, it also violates church-state separation. With Bush, I'm surprised it didn't get changed to "under Jesus".

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  • by Trevan on April 5th, 2007

    Trevan

    I'm in high school as of the moment, and honestly, I don't bother much with the pledge, not to be a rebellious student speaking out against the government, more in the sense that I personally feel we shouldn't be required to state something most have been saying since kindergarten.
    Most will say "Honor your country." I do honor my country, when I buy food from the grocery store, pay some small petty tax, order at a restaurant, go to a theme park, I'm enjoying the plentiful luxuries of our bountiful nation. Why be forced to state a pledge that year after year slowly demeans itself and the people who say it.

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  • by Little Miss Dangerous on January 18th, 2007

    Little Miss Dangerous

    I personally do not want it removed, but I am compassionate to fellow patriots that do not believe in God. I don't think anyone should be forced to say them (in school or anywhere else).

    I am not, however, understanding of someone objecting to 'hearing' the words spoken by others. We all hear words we don't like or agree with in life. It's how we react to them that determines our future. Only through tolerance and acceptance (not intolerance and rejection) can we get along.

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  • by Wendora on January 8th, 2007

    Wendora

    Are national flags simply signs serving some utilitarian function? What do they symbolize? “Nationalism’s chief symbol of faith and central object of worship is the flag,” stated author J. Paul Williams. The Encyclopedia Americana says: “The flag, like the cross, is sacred.” The flag is the symbol of the State. Therefore, bowing down to it or saluting it is a religious ceremony that gives reverence to the State. Such an act ascribes salvation to the State and does not harmonize with what the Bible says about idolatry.

    This addition of "under God" means little since the person saying the pledge is actually giving reverence to the State and forsaking God in the interim.

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  • by O_hare on January 8th, 2007

    O_hare

    No i don't. Maybe over or beneath god would be good.
    If its over god It would be "I pledge of alligeance, to the flag of the United States of Space!

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  • by SABOTEUR on May 17th, 2008

    SABOTEUR

    There are any number of world events I might choose if I wanted to make myself upset about something.

    "Under God" in The Pledge of Allegience is not one of them.

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  • NO.

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  • by Patti jo on August 22nd, 2007

    Patti jo

    NO

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  • by Jtigger on August 22nd, 2007

    Jtigger

    No.

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  • by thekingcobra63 on August 22nd, 2007

    thekingcobra63

    NO, not under any conditions.

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  • by Esteban-- Smartest Pumpkin on July 31st, 2007

    Esteban-- Smartest Pumpkin

    again, No

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  • by The Devils Own on July 31st, 2007

    The Devils Own

    Yes I want it out. It should never have been allowed in. They made a big mistake in 1954 and it needs to be fixed.

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