by Trigun on December 3rd, 2008

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Can Pakistan defeat India in the future war?

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  • by rambo09 on November 21st, 2010

    rambo09

    hmmmmm.... how about the Indo-Israeli nexus guys? India & Israel together cut pakistan into 2 pieces in the liberation war of 1971, creating the state of Bangladesh...
    In 1999, Israel at 24hours notice, provided India with laser guided missiles, UAVs and ammo, and in the next 4 days, Pak forces retreated... Where were ur chinese & arab friends at those times??
    Under the present scenario, India is being equipped to the teeth by US, EU & Israel, and most of its procurements are aimed at neutralizing the chinese threat in Asia... any misadventure by china into Indian territory, chinese will face the risk of attack by Japan, Vietnam, S.Korea (which may attack NK, and PRC wont like a staunch US ally on its S.E border in the form of a unified Korea)...
    However w.r.t just India & Pakistan...India has clear advantage... Indian navy can easily block all supplies into Pakistan.. IN is far superior to PN in terms of quality as well as quantity. India fields 1 a/c carrier currently, another to be inducted in 2 years time.. and 1 more by 2015 and another 2 by 2020. PN has neither. IN has P-8I (induction in 2011), giving it unparalleled (in entire Asia, USN & IN are the only 2 users of this at present) reconnaissance ability over its shores. India's nuke subs are too silent for PN to pick up. It would be better to compare PN with the Indian coast guard, honestly.

    PAF & IAF may have a match, but PAF only has F-16s (block 52, around 36, additional 18 to be upgraded from block 30 to block 52) as the competitive fighter, whereas the IAF fields Su-30MKI in vast numbers, Mig29SMBTs, MiG21K... all 4.5G, all highly BVR capable (beyond visual range).. for this PAF doesnt really have anything to rely back on. Since F-16s can be used as air superiority and can be easily tied down by the IAF MiG21K or 29SMBT, but then PAF will still have the bloody Su-30MKI to answer to amongst others...
    JF-17 is a nice fighter plane, no doubt, but IAF also hase Tejas MKII (induction has begun) and in numbers the PAF simply cant match... And Im not including the Indian MRCA, Indian T-50 and Indian FGFA into this, they all would be well above any aircraft PAF has, T-50 is somewhat like a clone of F-22, and FGFA of F-35. Even lockheed martin has offered to sell the Indian Navy F-35B.
    Anyhow back to topic, Indian army fields the C17s & C-130J, Phalcon AWACS.... big time force multipliers, Pak's ZAK03 AWACS is also commendable but not in the same class as phalcons, even the PLAAF fears the phalcons..
    T-72B2 (not the crap sold to the iraqis), T90 & Arjuns and these will be equally matched by Pakistan's Al-Khalid (T-80 tanks).. here also india enjoys numerical superiority and may have better radar systems mounted thanks to Israel and better range & target sighting thanks to the Phalcons.
    The best Pakistan armed forces can do is play the role of a defender against Indian armed forces aggression and hope for international intervention else in a stretched war India will easily outgun Pakistan, while in a skirmish Pakistan may only face stiff competition, but wont be able to penetrate Indian territory or cause much damage to its enemy, India.
    on SAM (surface to air missiles, which are used to shoot down a/c) India enjoys huge numerical superiority & better radar/target locking, they can just use their drones to deplete PA's SAM reserves and then use flankers to take out enemy bases...

    All in all few years back the competition may have been a close one, but now Indian armed forces are out of pakistan's league... and they both should settle their differences in the board room, cuz next war, wont do any good to anyone anywhere...
    US will invade Pakistan... CIA is already carrying out drone strikes in pakistan, and if India & Pakistan go to war, US/NATO army will increase its presence in waziristan to take larger action against the terror network there, something which Gen. Kayani is not in favor of presently... The only question that would be left in such a scenario is of nukes... which is the biggest deterrent against any invasion Pakistan has, be it Indian or Nato. worse comes to worse, Pak may fire the nukes, Indian SAM's get a few and they blow up over Pakistan itself, some enter Indian airspace and cause major destruction in a couple of cities, India retaliates with its own nukes, entire Pakistan is evaported...

    This all may sound too easy, but the nuke scenario will cause a lot of carnage, a lot of innocent lives will be lost in both the countries.. nobody wants that, hence its down to the political leaders of the both the countries to settle their disputes through talks and discussion.

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  • by scubabob on December 3rd, 2008

    scubabob

    Got some inside info you'd like to share? What future war? Now that both are nuclear and are talking about the destiny of Kashmir instead of fighting about it ( 3 times already) you think they're gonna duke it out?

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  • by Schonberg on December 3rd, 2008

    Schonberg

    If it was a conventional weapons war I think India would win.Both have a nuclear arsenal but they would not use them.India has approximately 1.5 million regular soldiers and just under 1.4 million reserves. Pakistan has approximately 640,000 with a reserve of approximately 500,000.However both sides could increase their armies by conscription.They say that the Pakistan army is better equipped,but the Indian army are better trained.Lets hope that war does not happen as it might start a chain reaction in Asia.

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  • by Anonymous on October 1st, 2009

    Anonymous

    Never, Pakistanis claim that Pak army is better equiped which is not true. indian soldiers are far more superior in terms of training, equipments and morale.
    pakistani army was equally good a few years ago but it now operate more with jihadi ideas than military doctrine. India on the other hand increasing their arsenal, to counter china many other countries are also helping india. India now thinking of countering china. pakistanis use junk chinese equipment which are not a match for indian army.

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  • by asdfgmn on December 2nd, 2009

    asdfgmn

    No one can defeat anybody. World will not allow it. In the 1971 war, pakistan had used 85% of their weapons and would have been broken into 4 pieces. The USA nuclear 7th fleet was in the Bay of Bengal and would have made a mess in Calcutta. Also, the chinese had warned India that if they step into Kashmir, China will attack them. So, limited warfare. The same applies to Russia, China or any other invader. If the thought is of a nuclear war, someone would have to be insane to use them. We all saw Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

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  • by Mani on November 19th, 2009

    Mani

    First of all , the war is fought on the basis of morale and passion and Pakistani army is number one in this.Their successful action in the northern areas against millitants in the tough hilly terrain has proved they are superior while Indian army is coward and there are lot of examples in the past regarding this ;hence they can never fight with that courage;no matter either they are best euipped or they are large in number.Moreover,Pakistan is never alone ,there is lot of hidden financial and stretegic support to Pakistan from all over muslim world and china.If India ever come to war against Pakistan,even the Jihadi groups in India and Kashmir will stand against India.China will also invade India taking the advantage of the situation.It is ultimate fact recognised by the Indian Media that most of the Indian Missiles are not properly operational and tested.You can also see video of their failed missile tests on youtube.com. Whereas Pakistan's missile system is far better and properly tested.Now Pakistan has started the production of the Jet fighter JF-17 thunder which is fully capable of carrying heavy weapons and is an execellent addition in the defence.So, India has to think ten times before coming to War with Pakistan.

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  • by Shoaib_D4497 on March 26th, 2011

    Shoaib_D4497

    well we are waiting for that time when india will strike on us.we know that india has ore man &fire power but no courage we all see what happens to indian missile tests.they take tie period of nearly 3 decades to built tejas and one ore thing the arjun tanks are failed by their own army.its all on the indian reports.we know that nukes are every where and no one wannt to use them but when you have nothing then what can u do.i know americans and israeils has give u back up but when the tie coe i assure u that they are the first who ranaway from the area.we have one special thing under testing and i know that none of the whole world has that weapon..only pakistan had.and its dangerous for thoes who invades.
    now in these senerio of the time when anarchy
    has spread no one knows what happend but one thing i sure that .we have to fight with 3 top countries at one time and we will win it and you see aerica is destroyed very soon.
    we have nothing to lose but do u have any thing to save than save it.
    and if u think that what you can do in 1971 with the help of bengali traitors whoes histroy is full of these kinds of things.it will happen again then u r wrong you see only things on one side the other side is dark for u and all others.but for us that was brighter side.......listen hope never dies and we are not hopeless....
    we r proud of our country and ready for go to war
    any time any where...
    think 12 man engage ubai for 59 hrs when 500000 will come than what happend?????/
    war means total destruction and no one wants it ..
    but when the times come we will say welcome

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  • by Rohit_N on November 24th, 2010

    Rohit_N

    well every possible angle has been cleared by Rambo09,Nice job.Lockheed martins plan to sell f35s...didn kno abt dat.thanx.Also One thing is clear that Pakistan being a muslim nation will have a lot of support from many rogue muslim and arab nations.The point to be noted is that India has higher muslim population compared to pakistan.Many muslim countries like Afghanistan,Bahrain,Egypt,Iran,few ex-soviet nations support India.Plus the fun fact is that all muslim countries consider israel as their mortal enemy whereas Israel is one of the greatest allies of India.Even if the muslim countries didnt help indians the israeli help is enough for india to win a war with the pakis.Israelis have the best minds when it comes to military technology.
    Thus the only field where the pakis may level with the indians are the Nuclear field.Even in this indians are better with much better nuclear defence and nuclear detternce.India is also going to complete nuclear triad soon.So pakis are gonna get some serious ass kicking if they try to go to war with the indians

  • by sidretulmunteha on February 16th, 2011

    sidretulmunteha

    hmm
    since Israel is planning to launch a major war in the Middle East,
    he can not enter into a major war, as he stands in the way of Pakistan's nuclear equipment.
    That is why Israel must get rid of Pakistan's nuclear program.
    because the United States and Israel are planning to provoke a civil war in Pakistan, so that in this way achieve their goals.

    Civil war is the only way to destroy the Pakistani nuclear program,
    and that is exactly what the U.S. and Israel are planning to do.

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  • by Abdul_R on March 26th, 2011

    Abdul_R

    PAKISTAN WILL DEFEAT INDIA AGAIN WHEN EVER HE IS OVER CONFIDENCE LIKE A WAR OF 1965

  • by aleck on January 20th, 2010

    aleck

    china and other islamic nations will be there to help pakistan,
    since pakistan has a terrorist nation reputation.., india will get strong support from Russia, britain and usa.., this will be a better opportunity for china to take out its revenge on india for giving home to dalai lama and standing for small asian countries in asia against china, and regarding N-E province of india.... but usa will strongly and with full support to india, will involve against china..
    islamic nations wont support pakistan from front, may be from back, except terrorist organisations.. but countries like russia and britain and other european nations will stand by india..
    most probable ending seems to be breaking of pakistan in pieces, as pakistan wont be able to carry war over its weak economic shoulder.. and b4 this chinese wud betray pakistan for piece..
    well.. i hope this never happens...

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  • by mike_70 on May 8th, 2011

    mike_70

    Don't bet on Islamic nations helping Pakistan. Where were they during the floods in Pakistan?Waiting on the West to make the first move.

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