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Is it true that the terrorists who attacked Mumbai were from Pakistan?

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  • by Schonberg on December 25th, 2008

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    The Mumbai terrorist who is in custody in India is definately a Paskistani. His name is Ajmal Qasab.His fathers name is Amir Azam Qasab. Ajmal ran away from the family home just over four years ago.

    Ajmal Amir is 21 years old and is from Faridk in the Delpalpur Tehsil in the Okara district in the Punjab province of Pakistan . He is one of the five children of Mohammad Amir Imran and Noor Elahi.He comes from a poor family.
    His father makes a living selling dahi puri from a snack cart.His elder brother Afzal, 25, works as a laborer in Lahore. His elder sister, Rukaiyya Husain, 22, is married in the village. A younger sister Suraiyya, 14, and brother Munir, 11, live in Faridkot with the parents.

    The village of Faridkot is quite poor with a remote feel, despite being close to a town. Most people have little education and live in poverty. On the side of a building, just outside Faridkot, graffiti in large lettering says, in Urdu, "Go for jihad. Go for jihad. Markaz Dawat ul-Irshad". 'Markaz Dawat ul-Irshad' is the parent organization of Lashkar-e-Taiba.

    Early life

    He went to school till age 13 and left in 2000. He then briefly joined his brother in Lahore, who worked as a labourer, and then returned to Faridkot.
    He left home after a fight with his father in 2005. He had asked for new clothes on Eid, but his father could not provide them, which made him angry.

    He then became involved in petty crime with his friend Muzaffar Lal Khan, soon moving on to armed robbery. On Dec 21, 2007, Bakr-Eid day, they were in Rawalpindi trying to buy weapons when they encountered members of Jama’at-ud-Da’wah, the political wing of Lashkar-e-Taiba, distributing pamphlets. After a brief chat, they decide to sign up for training with the LeT, ending up at their base camp, Markaz Taiba.

    Initial reports offered a conflicting view of Ajmal Amir as fluent in English and from a middle class background. However, an interrogator and Mumbai deputy police commissioner stated that he spoke rough Hindi and barely any English.
    Some sources said his father asked him to join the militant group, Lashkar –e-Taiba so that he could use the money they gave him to run the family.

    Training

    Ajmal Amir is alleged to be among a group of 24 men who received training in marine warfare at a remote camp in mountainous Muzaffarabad in Pakistani-controlled Azad Kashmir . Part of the training is reported to have taken place on the Mangla Dam reservoir.

    Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvia, senior commander of the Laskkar-e-Taiba, reportedly offered to pay his family Rs.150,000 for his participation in the attacks. Another report said the 21-year old man was recruited from his Punjab, Pakistan home in part based on a pledge by recruiters to pay USD $1,250 US (Rs. 62,412.50) to his family when he became a martyr.Other sources put the reward to USD $4,000.

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  • by Ankith on January 17th, 2009

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    All indications point towards: yes.

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  • by Schonberg on January 17th, 2009

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    KOSHISH:

    DENY IT AS MUCH AS YOU LIKE MATE, BUT THE TERRORISTS ARE FROM PAKISTAN OR OF PAKISTANI ORIGIN>


    By Daniel McGrory and Zahid Hussain in Islamabad
    HIS family were perplexed when Shehzad Tanweer decided to drop out of his sports science course at Leeds Metropolitan University at the end of last year so he could travel to Pakistan.

    He told them that he desperately wanted to join a group of friends from his local mosque on a two-month visit to a religious school near Lahore.

    The 22-year-old joked with his parents that he would pick up his education when he came back, adding that it would also give him the chance to visit relatives in his father’s hometown, Faisalabad, which was only 100 miles away.

    Hasib Hussain’s family thought him spending some time with his relatives in Pakistan might curb the teenager’s rebellious streak and stop him spending his time hanging around street corners in Holbeck, drinking beer with local youths.

    His parents thought their plan had worked when Hussain got back, a much calmer figure and with a new found enthusiasm about pursuing his Muslim faith.

    Analysis: how Pakistan became a hotbed for terrorists
    Both families are now left asking themselves whether it was their sons’ journeys to their homeland that corrupted them.

    Tanweer’s uncle, Bashir Ahmed, has no doubts that it was faceless figures in Pakistan who radicalised his sports-mad nephew.

    “He was such a calm, loving normal boy. Extremists must have got their hands on him,” the 65-year-old Leeds businessman said yesterday.

    “We all thought he had gone to continue his education. I thought he just wanted to improve his pronunciation.
    “It wasn’t him. It must have been forces behind him.”

    British intelligence has asked its Pakistani counterparts urgently to trace where the young Britons went, and more crucially who they met, during their study tours.

    Officers need to know if the four bombers were ever there at the same time, or attended the same radical training schools.

    The Pakistani authorities this week angrily denied accusations from India that terror training camps were once more thriving inside their borders.
    Natwar Singh, the Indian Foreign Minister, replied that he had the photographs to prove it.

    Western intelligence agencies have also long been concerned about the network of madrassas, the hardline religious schools, which have been blamed for turning out a generation of young jihadis. One institution which has been under recent scrutiny is in the industrial city of Gujranwala, which is just north of Lahore — where Tanweer was heading.

    This new generation of training centres are nothing like their predecessors which were run by al-Qaeda in the years before the September 11 attacks on the US and were sited in the inhospitable mountain ranges straddling the Afghan border.

    Western volunteers lived rough in the desert with hundreds of other foreign recruits and were taught to handle weapons and explosives, as well as spending hours listening to tape recordings of Osama bin Laden and other zealots.

    “Today the camps are more like youth hostels,” one young activist who attended a madrassa in southern Pakistan told The Times.

    “Recruits don’t spend hours scrabbling about on outward bound courses. It is more like being in a school room.”
    “Organisers don’t want to turn out warriors who can strip down a Kalashnikov rifle blindfolded. They want to shape the mind, not the body.

    “They want their recruits to embrace the idea of giving their lives for their cause, and doing nothing more technical than triggering the bomb they carry.”
    There are long periods of Koranic study but also what organisers call “the evolution of the jihad”, which teaches how wars are no longer a battle between rival armies.

    Heroic accounts of the lives — and deaths — of insurgents in Iraq are told to the class to instruct recruits: “We fight the enemy our way.”
    In some cases it is young Britons who have moved from Britain to make a new life for themselves in Pakistan who lecture their fellow citizens, “to make them feel more at ease”.

    “These British lecturers know how to give practical instructions like ‘don’t go to well-known radical mosques in the UK as they are under police surveillance. Don’t wander into bookshops which sell violent vidoes and militant literature as they too are being watched’.

    “We were told, ‘Continue being an ordinary John’,” the former activist said.
    The bombers from the backstreets of Leeds followed their instructions to the letter.

    They were always seen in baggy jeans, training shoes, short haircuts and were cleanshaven, even when they turned up at the local mosque for Friday prayers.

    Tanweer’s family say they cannot remember him arguing about politics. Hussain’s relatives say there was nothing aggressive in his views about how British Muslims should behave.

    Experts say there is little point trying to identify the groups who recruit the young Britons because nowadays they change their names and websites with bewildering frequency.

    The Harakat al-Ansar group has had five names in the past two years.

    The other practical problems for the security authorities is that there is such an enormous traffic of young Britons travelling to Pakistan to visit family that it is impossible for the police to keep tabs on them, particularly when the vast majority go there for entirely innocent reasons.

    There are reports of new training centres springing up around Mansehra in the North West Frontier Province, though it is not known if any British volunteers have pitched up there.

    Magnus Ranstorp, director of the Centre for the Study of Terrorism and Political Violence at the University of St Andrews in Scotland said: “Of course there are still training camps.

    “I don’t think you can find fully-fledged training camps in Pakistan or even Afghanistan on the same level as we had before.

    “But there are many remote areas, many places where the lack of governance can provide excellent training ground. It can be done in underground shelters, abandoned houses. You don’t need large facilities.”

    Some Pakistani-based militant groups are reported to still scout for recruits at mosques among Muslim communities in Britain.

    Smaller British mosques have their own links with madrassas in the Punjab and other regions of Pakistan though they insist these are genuine schools of Koranic study, not terror training camps.

    Well known militant groups, lsuch as Jaish-e-Mohammed, Lashkar-e-Taiba and Harkat ul Mujahideen have operated openly in the past and in some cases with the military’s support, and boasted of their British recruits.

    Mohammed Bilal, a Briton who was associated with Jaish-e-Mohammed, was the UK’s first suicide bomber when in Christmas Day 2000 he rammed a vehicle packed with explosives into an Indian military post in Kashmir.
    Officially, the Pakistan government — a key ally of Britain and the US in the war on terror — insists they have eradicated the culture of terror camps inside their borders.

    The experiences of Shehzad Tanweer and Hasib Hussain tell a different story.

    BRITISH SUICIDE BOMBERS

    Asif Hanif, 21, from Hounslow, West London, mixed with radical muslims at university in Damascus, where he joined Hamas. Detonated a suicide bomb in Mike’s Place in Tel Aviv, killing three people.

    Omar Khan Sharif, 27, from Derby, was Hanif’s accomplice but failed to detonate his bomb and was found dead in the sea a week after the attack. Had also joined Hamas in Syria

    Richard Reid, 32, from Brixton, South London, attended an al-Qaeda training camp south of Kabul in 2001 before attempting to light explosives in his shoe during an American Airlines flight from Paris to Miami in December that year.

    Sajid Badat, 25, a former grammar school pupil from Gloucester, travelled to Pakistan and Afghanistan in 2002 and attended the same training camp as Reid. He abandoned his plan to detonate a shoe bomb, but was arrested and the explosive device was found in his parents’ home.

    Idris Bazis, 41, French Algerian who lived in Moss Side, Manchester, blew himself up in a suicide operation in Iraq in February.

    Wail al-Dhaleai, 22, was born in Yemen but lived in Sheffield for three years after claiming asylum in 2000. He died in a suicide attack on US troops in Iraq

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  • by Schonberg on January 17th, 2009

    Schonberg

    Mr Liar: I always keep my identity secret. I think the following will explain fully who is doing the Marine Training in Kashmir.We have the same type of terrorist living in the UK and many have been trained in the same Kashmiri training camps.The UK government have always been reluctant to arrest them unless they have actually attempted or carried out a crime of terrorism before they arrest them. They are afraid that they will start screaming that its an infringement of their human rights.I know it sounds daft but this is the British way of doing things.If it was left up to me I would strip them of British citizenship and deport them back to their country of ethnic origin.

    THE MARINE TRAINING IN KASHMIR

    Terrorist training: The larger picture

    Vicky Nanjappa in Mumbai | December 02, 2008 | 22:02 IST


    The terror cycle on India was complete the day Mumbai was attacked. In terror circles, the ultimate is achieved when a fidayeen (suicide) attack is carried out. There seems to be no end to terror and it only seems to be getting worse by the day. While the Indian government steps up the pressure on Pakistan to hand over some men, the question is whether handing them over would put an end to the problem.


    Intelligence Bureau officials told rediff.com that while diplomatic pressure is necessary, there is an immediate need to bust training camps in Pakistan. Let us now get into the depth of the matter and get a larger picture about these training camps.


    Terrorist training:
    IB records and confessions by various arrested terrorists go on to show that the main training camp is at Muzaffarabad in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir. Riazzuddin Nasir, a Lashkar-e-Tayiba terrorist arrested in Karnataka earlier this year, says the LeT has training camps in Karachi, Muzaffarbad and Afghanistan.

    However, the LeT no longer uses its base in Afghanistan and focuses more on the bases at Muzaffarabad and Karachi. These are the two dedicated training camps for the banned outfit and other groups.


    For the Mumbai attack, the men were all trained in an LeT facility at Karachi. Statements given by the arrested terrorist in the Mumbai case say they were trained for over a year at Karachi before they could launch this attack.


    Who trains these men?
    IB officials say the entire training module is inspired by the Al-Qaeda. The Al-Qaeda first picked up the entire programme from the US marines and started training their cadres accordingly.

    It was in the year 1998 that the Lashkar picked up this method from the Al-Qaeda and started training their cadres in a similar fashion. However, the LeT has also adopted the Indian military commando training programme as it feels that it would be easier to fight Indian forces by adopting their own methods.

    According to Nasir, the entire training is overseen by the ISI and it involves ex-army personnel. Kasab too, during his interrogation, said they were imparted training by ex-navy personnel.

    Although an attack through the seas was something new for the country, the fact is that the LeT has been planning such attacks since the past four years. Nasir, in his confessions, said that since 2004, the LeT has been imparting maritime training.

    Besides this, LeT operatives also say that after a successful operation, if any of these cadres manage to return to Pakistan, they are not used for any further operations but are asked to impart training to younger recruits.

    He, however, adds that men from the LeT are more involved in planning, financing and organising an attack. The IB too says that the LeT does not involve itself too much with the training, but use the help of ex-army personnel for the same.

    Why are younger boys chosen?
    The IB says this is more a military tactic. When a youth is trained to undertake a fidayeen attack, he is expected to last longer during battle. For a fidayeen attack, boys under 30 are usually sent. A fidayeen training programme is extremely tough and involves extensive training.

    They are required to sprint 100 meters in 12 to 15 seconds, run 10 kilometres during which only a half-an-hour break is allowed and marching 4 kilometres while carrying weight of 20 kg on them.

    If a person is recruited and is unable to pass this test, they use him for a different role. Such persons are usually recruited into sleeper cells or are asked to take part in terror activities like carrying out blasts.

    Indoctrination:
    The ISI has ensured that cadres operating in Kashmir and those chosen for other attacks are not trained or recruited separately. For the ISI and Pakistan, Kashmir is an entirely different issue.

    Those recruited for the Kashmir operation are trained extensively in guerrilla warfare. These men are also trained in fighting both on land and sea. However, the recruits for fidayeen attacks on cities undergo a slightly different pattern while training. They are trained on storming cities, running in between the cities while dodging security continuously for 3 kilometres. Apart from this, these men are also trained in undercover operations.

    This helps these men in entering into a city and staying undercover before they launch the attack. Take the example of Nasir. He worked as cook and during this period he planned several operations, but was arrested before anything could materialise. Nasir says that since he loved to cook, he was asked to remain undercover as a cook.

    On the difference in training for Kashmir terrorists and others, Nasir says those recruited for the Kashmir operation are trained only at Muzaffarabad in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir.

    Recruitment:
    The IB says the LeT has its agents across the world and the job of these men is pick boys and send them across to Pakistan for training.

    Take the example of Shahid Bilal. He was an agent for the LeT and was working in a courier company. Young boys are identified by these agents and then the process begins. These agents first get friendly with the boys and when these agents realise that these boys can be motivated into taking up arms then they are sent to Pakistan for training and the indoctrination programme.

    Dossiers and records show that the target usually is the extremely religious youth. Terror operatives feel that it is easier to brain wash these boys in the name of religion. Further, the recruitment process is also concentrated in areas where atrocities against Muslims are the most.

    Before these boys are sent, a thorough background check is done and in the case of a recruit from India, these men ensure that the boy has no relatives in the Indian army.

    Number of men waiting to strike:
    Although it is difficult to give an exact figure as to how many men are ready to strike, IB sources say that there could be around 3000 men who are ready while an equal number undergoing training.

    The IB says that recruitment is an ongoing process and everyday scores of youth are sent for training. The agency feels that it is extremely important to strike at such training camps apart from increasing diplomatic pressure in order to bring down the menace of terror

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  • by Mr.LiAr . . . . . AwAy on January 17th, 2009

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    i dont think that there is any doubt,
    everything is cleared
    in front of world

    and the main fear is that pak terrorist group has acces to nuclear weapons

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  • by jin jang on December 25th, 2008

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    It is suspected that they are according to India,but there is no conclusive truth.They are also suspected of being from England.Another 10 countries could be added to the list for it is hard to prove these things.

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  • by koshish on December 25th, 2008

    koshish

    That is totally wrong. They were not Pakistani, they were indians, they said that in TV interviews and Indians ignored those interviews.

    There is so much evidence that they were Hindu Indian. I cannot present that all evidence here due to length of message. e.g. in the pics they were wearing bands on arms which is a HINDU tradition, not a Pakistani one & not a Muslim one.

    Secondly, ask Indians about the Indian Federal Minister who told the truth about the assassination of Indian Anti Terrorist Chief in Mumbai attacks.

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  • by Schonberg on November 29th, 2008

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    The Indian police believe they could all be of Pakistani origin,but there is also a strong possibility that 7 or more of them were UK citizens.

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  • by Anonymous on December 25th, 2008

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    idk

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  • by Adz3r0 on January 17th, 2009

    Adz3r0

    That is what was reported, yes.

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  • by CaptainHarley adores his life penguin on January 17th, 2009

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    Yep.

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